Cheers meangene, I work on them in conjunction with an ex-fighter pilot so if they're good enough for him I know they're good for everyone else!

You're welcome Heinz, I'll be continuing to make lessons don't sweat it ;-)

Thanks Peregrine, I appreciate you helping answer other people's questions too! :-)

You're very welcome!

Thanks Wey, I made all these in collaboration with ex fighter pilots so you can be assured they're good enough :-)

Yeah I know it's been a minute...I've had RL interfere with things recently

If you're doing it without thinking about it then you're likely where you need to be :-)

@@RequiemsACTL I do this all the time, I had no idea it was an actual maneuver. However, I still need to learn to maintain defensive and force offensive, I mostly just do boring turn fights.

@@silience4095 Yeah often times we do these maneuvers just to "solve" the geometry problem we see the bandit presenting. It's always good to know when something do instinctually has a name though :-)

Cheers Rob, hopefully it can become another tool in your arsenal :-)

@@RequiemsACTL In your experience, how well does this maneuver work on WWI crates? Are they fast enough to pull it off?

The aircraft performance is relative so you can still do it in WWI airplanes, but the amount of vertical you gain and the turn circle size is reduced when considering their much smaller energy state compared to WWII airplanes.

Thanks again Fardad :-)

It can be hard to wrap your head around it initially but it's a great tool to have when you recognise the right time to use it!

It's definitely a great way to maintain position. Using these is like like delayed gratification...giving up a low % snap shot chance now, for better position and a higher % shooting chance later!

Thanks CapFreddy!

What are unloaded maneuvers? Like G forces loads?

Technically, unloaded maneuvers are 0G and allow for high roll rates and maximum speed gain. But I think Roan is referring to negative G maneuvers which are mainly defensive moves. These are very useful for spoiling an attack (give them a good gun solution, start a steady turn, then go full nose down and they'll probably miss and overshoot), porpoising to force a close range overshoot or feinting a 109's lack of control in high energy dives by starting a break turn then going neg G (they either overspeed further to follow you or pull off) while still being in position to shoot them on the way up.

@@mckseal I was thinking unloaded (0G) maneuvers and how they can be integrated with various BFM maneuvers.

Ah ok, apologies.

@@mckseal great explanation though! Thank you!

I use a Logitech G940 with Crosswind rudder pedals

@@RequiemsACTL wow~ really? That is really hard to get a joystick. great!! thanks for answering and thank you for video again. :)

Thanks Ray, the AI won't really do the maneuvers like this. It tends to be rather predictable just turning in circles...fighting people is where these maneuvers becomes really useful.

@@RequiemsACTL Fascinating! This "just turning in circles..." is precisely what all my one on one fights become. That's disappointing and I guess I'm must join multiplayer and become a sitting duck until I learn something.

If you're stalling out at the top you're either not carrying enough airspeed initially to get you through the maneuver or you're pulling too much G, bleeding off your airspeed. Try going faster or not pulling back on the stick as much

@@RequiemsACTL I'm learning that some planes (usually the ones with good roll rates) tend to bleed off energy badly compared to German fighters that are the essence of an energy fighter.

The rollrate is a factor as is the amount of vertical you take. If you're in an airplane/situation where you know you are going to have trouble with the rollrate then you can unload while you are climbing to help speed up the roll rate as much as possible. Otherwise it will take a long time and you may end up in a deep lag position that could allow the bandit to reverse and force you to overshoot.

Sometimes making the perfect TC entry isn't possible so you need to do whatever is needed. It really depends on the situation.

You mean the simple looking graphics with the trails behind them? That is known as Tacview www.tacview.net/product/about/en/

The defensive maneuver you use depends on what your opponent is doing so there is no "best" one. It's a matter of recognising what's happening and making your move. No defensive maneuver always works either...sometimes you do everything right and just die.

@@RequiemsACTL Understood, but what would be a list of "must know" defensive maneuvers?

@@01MeuCanal I realize this is very old, but in case you still play combat flightsims: best to start simple. Put yourself in the shoes of the other pilot, imagine what would make the shot the hardest. Then execute that. I've found that this often means break turning into the enemy as well as slightly downward, which means I suddenly start closing to him very fast and disappear under his nose(lowering nose for a shot is usually slower/harder than raising). You can also use well-timed break turns to ruin someone's attempt to bounce("boom-and-zoom") you. After you have that down, you can expand into other maneuvers. Most defensive maneuvers are simply trying to make the person behind you overshoot. The simplest are scissors, both flat scissors and rolling scissors. Don't try to learn all maneuvers at once. Just focus on trying them one at a time and incorporate them little by little into your reportoire.

I think it's basically the more extreme version of hi yoyo

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Yeah Korny I agree against an aware opponent this is easily defeated in WWII fighters, but there are times where the guy isn't focused on you, loses sight, or is just generally not aware of you so I think it is still useful regardless of the era.

@@RequiemsACTL Indeed but still it was most used by Phantoms for fox 2 attacks. They need to stay close and behind but not too close. That does not mean it can't be used in ww2 scenario.

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