In this episode we go over the Bhj bloc-tru and getting the decks square Powellmachineinc.com
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@brianw8963Ай бұрын
You’re not only a top notch machinist, but You evidently have some ESP capabilities. I’ve been wondering how You set these procedures up and here it is! And now comes these high output 4 cylinders with the offset crank to bore set ups. I understand the concept, but holy crapola! Thanks . 👍👍🇺🇸
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
Well, I'm glad I got it out there!
@user-bc9sz1dj1gАй бұрын
@@brianw8963 Daniel got hos shi% together dont he!!??.....i am a PROUD sub'r!!....u shud be too!!.....this aint no fluff, this IS how its done!!
@mineown1861Ай бұрын
Great explanation , you've got the art of teaching , broke it down and stepped through it . Thanks for the time you both put into filming and editing the video, much appreciated.
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
Our pleasure!
@user-sw1tp8lt4lАй бұрын
Daniel, you are a master machinist. The way you explain everything is really easy to understand. Another awesome video. Thank you
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
We really appreciate that 🙏
@ericcrawford326Ай бұрын
What you do is becoming a lost art. All of the machine shops near me have shut down. I now have to drive at least two hours one way to get any machine work done. Hopefully your videos will inspire young people to get into automotive machining.
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
Sorry to hear that, it's becoming the norm unfortunately 😕
@jimcondray4632Ай бұрын
Another very clear, informative video. I wish my machine shop teacher back in the '80's was willing to actually teach like you do.
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
Wow, thanks!
@ebinmaineАй бұрын
Very interesting video. I really like that you take the time to explain how folks with a decent machining setup can make their own tools and other equipment. Not just encouraging... but factual. You just.... can. Well done.
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
Thank you very much!
@user-bc9sz1dj1gАй бұрын
Hey Daniel, Tim here.......i'm fairly good at machining things to .0005......have done so many years......articulate measurements, chk, and re chk b4 cut is made.......all i can say is once AGAIN, YOU sir have PROVED my sub'n/T-shirt purchase .......you oughta teach young- uns...... its an art that only a few can really master, but with proper tools, and understanding, u can dial it all in!!......young-uns need to be schooled, and motivated.....neither me or you are gettin any younger......once we're gone..WHO is gonna carru the torch??.....this vid was VERY articulate, and informative, for our younger crowd....i watched the whole thing cuz i'm a machinist nerd....as u probly know.....VERY concise, no BS vid!!......hope some young folks find it awesome, as i do, and i've been doin it for 43 yrs or so.....i NEVER wanna stop learning...NEVER NE A KNOW IT ALL!!!...NEVER!!!..shut up and learn!!!......TY sir!!!....MOST enjoyable!!!
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
@user-bc9sz1dj1g that is the exact reason I decided to make this channel, this information will be here forever, so hopefully those that choose to will take something from it.
@user-bc9sz1dj1gАй бұрын
@@powellmachineinc3179 we can only hope/pray they will listen/adhere to the knowledge.....
@DanielSmith-yp7mwАй бұрын
Thanks for showing this. I never really knew the specifics how this gets done. I knew how it's supposed to be, but not "how". Great stuff, dude. You see this get done all over, but very few machinists are willing to take the time to explain it with this kind of detail.
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
Glad I could help!
@adampatterson707Ай бұрын
Daniel please teach classes for the up and coming kids that want to be automotive machinests. You sir are so gifted at teaching.
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
I'm just average for sure, but this channel I hope will be around a long time and I plan on putting as much information out as possible
@ericstalker7973Ай бұрын
WOW!!! Mr.Danial you are flipping genius. You know it's one thing to have nice machinery but to run and use the equipment to it's full potential and be spot on whatever you need it to do is just mind blowing. I have no doubt in my mind that you can machine a block with truer specs then what comes out of the factory. People who try to talk smack saying you are wrong or not doing something right are 110 percent ignorant.. please keep your videos rolling, I learn something new with every video of yours I watch. ❤❤ Thank you for sharing your endless intelligence
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
Tyvm!!, I really appreciate the vote of confidence!
@dandesantis7105Ай бұрын
Another great, informative video Daniel, thank you! One suggestion to consider for your set-up is to move the saddles closer to the block to minimize deflection on the shaft and to stiffen the assembly for machining.
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
@@dandesantis7105 definitely worth a try
@fastst1Ай бұрын
Thanks for expanding that topic! good to learn a little something! Man a shop class with you and Gale Banks would be worth a million bucks.
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
@fastst1 gale is in college and I'm in preschool!
@monsterdong7520Ай бұрын
This dude is so smart and good at what he does. I can listen to him talk all day, even if I don’t understand it it’s still very cool
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
Lol, truly I appreciate that!!
@ehguy3628Ай бұрын
What is Bhj blok-tru + ? Also, for decades I've wondered how/what gave the absolute reference for the machine work. I no longer wonder, great explanation, now I know.
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
You're very welcome
@joshuagibson252015 күн бұрын
Thank you. I have done many my types of machining over my career, but have always wondered how a block is fixtured smd set up. Thank you very much.
@powellmachineinc317915 күн бұрын
You are welcome!
@Expedition18Ай бұрын
❤ the Friday postings awesome way to go into the weekend
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
We are behind.... just so much work!
@robertheymann5906Ай бұрын
Love the BHJ tooling, I've done a bunch of lifter bores and it went very smoothly
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
@@robertheymann5906 definitely
@MTHead.Ай бұрын
I just joined KZfaq a couple of weeks ago. You are the first channel I subscribed to. As others have said, you have the gift of breaking things down inito easily understandable parts. Could you possibly do a video discussing what order of machining steps you would recommend under the common conditions of the blocks and heads you have come in. THX
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
We really appreciate that!
@charlesstoneking1574Ай бұрын
You sir and others like you inspire people who are in this field to do better as well as inspiring young men to get into this field. My 14 year old son and his friends watch every episode.
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
That is so awesome!!!!! Tell them to stay after it, that truly makes me happy
@The340kingАй бұрын
We typically would make a cleanup pass with the deck mill to get the decks level and 45° from cam/crank centerline. Then we would bore the block and hone it. Once that was done we would assemble the crank with the 4 corner pistons and verify deck height with the rotating assembly before finish decking. The rules require being at or below the deck with the pistons. Highest of the corners dictates deck height. Cranks are indexed and rods end for end measured and trued also.
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
I just measure everything out and calculate my deck hieght requirements.
@The340kingАй бұрын
@powellmachineinc3179 we did that also,but double-checked it with a trial assembly.
@misterv4462Ай бұрын
Love the way you explain the processes in your videos......I'm a visual learner, too. I've watched a BUNCH of your videos since I found your channel and I've learned a lot!! One of the biggest things I've learned........you can't just buy parts from the catalog and slap together a street rod/dragster engine. If I were to build a hotrod engine.......I'd hire you to build it 'cause I ain't got $$$$$$ to throw out the window. There are SO MANY small things to watch out for!! Love your videos!!
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
You are so welcome!, glad it helps!
@donaldhalls2189Ай бұрын
Awesome, very informative and explanatory, thanks for sharing, all the best to you and your loved ones
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
We appreciate that
@strokermaverickАй бұрын
Daniel, I'm just smart enough, to understand what you were talking about!😃 Thank you, for explaining it in plain english.
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
Happy to help!, this is the goal, get the information out there , it helps all of us
@justinkorpela7955Ай бұрын
Awesome explanation on how you perform that
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
@@justinkorpela7955 ty
@graceenginedevelopmentsАй бұрын
Hi, my friend just recommended your channel. Thank you very enjoyable
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
Awesome, thank you!
@yosmith1Ай бұрын
Always been curious how you measure deck height. Really appreciate these detailed explanations.
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
No problem!
@gazza116Ай бұрын
very good explanation, especially about fwd bck error.would cause excessive cyl and crank wear i would imagine.
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
Tyvm
@HybridknfgrowchannelАй бұрын
Nice a shop you can confidently spend money on. Good work
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
Ty, we really appreciate that 🙏
@henrybobswillikersАй бұрын
Another great video. Thank you.
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
Our pleasure!
@edsmachine93Ай бұрын
Good video Daniel. Have a great weekend. 👍
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
Thanks, you too!
@kevenclickner6436Ай бұрын
Great video. Enjoy all your videos that I've seen actually. Very enlightening to me. I won't go to my local shop and be entirely ignorant. If you were closer I'd bring my work to you. If you wanted some small block La Mopar. Lol
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!, we appreciate you
@apollorobbАй бұрын
Another nice one sir for the General populous . Keep up the good work Guys
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
Thanks, will do!
@daleyahnke7215Ай бұрын
so much great info! hope you have a wonderful weekend!!!!
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
Thank you! You too!
@yarrdayarrdayarrdaАй бұрын
I've rough bored blocks that were previously sleeved using a deck mounted boring bar where a 0.015" pass didn't completely clean up one side of the bottom of the cylinder. (We use a Rottler that registers off the mainline and pan rails) I understand that the CNC block centers, if you just set it up to rough the cylinders off of blueprint, there are situations where a cylinder won't clean (factory machining wasn't that close) so they "probe" the cylinders first and tweak the program on any problem cylinders. I would have to assume the modern blocks like the LS/Gen III hemi/etc. are pretty accurate compared to the old 60's through 90's stuff.
@derickmorgan4956Ай бұрын
Awesome information!!!
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@Bryan_ArnoldWorksАй бұрын
Nice explanation! Like others I was curious how this is done
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@georgedubois76Ай бұрын
That answers my questions. Thank you
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
Happy to help!
@DixieGeezerАй бұрын
Good job. Thanks for the education.
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
@@DixieGeezer our pleasure 🙏
@MrWetstoneАй бұрын
The light bulb lite when I saw the cam housing cones.
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
💯
@dalewinters2751Ай бұрын
Great clip! Extremely informative. To get a good perspective, could you show the actual corrections ( milling process) it takes to correct an out of shape block? Thank you sir.
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
Yes, that vid is coming
@jim8027Ай бұрын
Very easy to understand. That setup makes fixing factory block screw ups easy, LOL.
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
Definitely
@RustyorBrokenАй бұрын
Thanks, mister, for the detailed explanation. I had asked about this in a previous video. What do you do when someone brings you a GM 60 degree? Tell them to turn around and head back in the direction they came from? 😉
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
Na, we would just indicate off the deck or if it was a performance deal we would just make a plate
@aslackerАй бұрын
Thanks for the continued education Daniel!
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
My pleasure!
@robinfulton9057Ай бұрын
Thanks for the explanation, well done.
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@jimmyford796Ай бұрын
Great video it was very informative.
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
Glad to hear it!
@chopperguy57Ай бұрын
Very good information. I build Harley motors out of my garage, so I understand all the clearing. I don’t have any machines so I send out that part. I don’t know if I need a boring machine or a lathe for the single cylinders. Do you do any of that type work?
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
Yes, we use to do tons of harley engines, a boring bar and a small boring table is what u want
@NoMatter78Ай бұрын
Like how you always explain what tolerances are acceptable or not.
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
The tribal knowledge it key!
@roberthumphreys1316Ай бұрын
I took many classes at the community college level, I have a technical degree, I pulled a five year apprenticeship, I have seen many teachers. You are as good or better than the best of them. You need to find and hire a couple of the right young people to teach your trade, they might be hard to find but they are around, In ten years time you might be more interested in a nice vacation than working sixty hours a week, having competent fully trainer help would make that a lot easier. Your wife might could use help also.
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
I've been searching since 96
@fstjack652527 күн бұрын
Great Information! Thank you.
@minigpracing3068Ай бұрын
Do you line bore or hone the crank and cam journals before you set it up to be surfaced? And do you get any distortion from not having the adapter rings in the other crank journals? I'm probably never going to put my hands on anything like this, but it's all very interesting.
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
Yes, align honed, no distortion, block is light and rigid
@minigpracing3068Ай бұрын
@@powellmachineinc3179 I thought that might be the first step since the other surfaces are referenced from the bar.
@GhostSniper67Ай бұрын
Daniel, if you deck a block that has the VIN number on the block, do you or can you add them back like the factory did it?
@mikeframe9852Ай бұрын
If the cam bore or freeze plugs aren't visually centered in the bosses, is that really an indicator the block has too much core shift and shouldn't be used? I have a 350 Chevy (80's "207" block with 4 bolt mains) and the cam bore looks way off.
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
I'm going to address core shift in a video
@brianholcomb6499Ай бұрын
Most factory LS blocks are off! Some way more than that! If you check the one in your hone, it maybe way off! Most think new block, it’s read to go! Which is never the case! Internet says, slam it together! Then wonder why they have issues 🙄🙄🙄🙄! Good job explaining!
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
@@brianholcomb6499 ty!
@mikeday8826Ай бұрын
They are close enough to last 200k+ miles, and then throw a turbo on it, and go a few hundred passes.
@flinch622Ай бұрын
Given a good number of folks experience deck problems, do you find issues with pan rails from time to time?
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
We rarely ever check pan rails
@adven999Ай бұрын
Great video as always.... Is it worth considering remaking the sliding dial gauge holder out of steel? Just thinking about the possibility of wear considering the amount of use it will see being aluminium.... It'll also be more thermally stable ! Just a thought.
@JonBanquerАй бұрын
BHJ should give you the fixture for free for making a video explaining how it's used.
@ronosga4391Ай бұрын
What brand is that boring table you use?
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
Kwik-way
@slopoke22Ай бұрын
I heard a BHJ fixture is square to the earth. Lol. I have a bhj bar and none of the rest of it. I've used one several times, though, back at SAMTECH. We'll I was there before then when it was The School of Automotive Machinist
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
There good, but I wasn't as impressed with there "precision " as I thought I would be
@slopoke22Ай бұрын
@powellmachineinc3179 yeah it was different when I was there b4 they changed the name and it went more mainstream. I've helped build 7 engine masters engines that placed top 4 and above. Also worked on the camaro and mustang race cars while I was there. I'm a serious cylinder head guy and almost bought a machine shop several years ago and didn't. Like your channel, u seem to understand it more than most
@slopoke22Ай бұрын
Also, don't think judson is there as much anymore. Also, as u know. The machine is only as good as the man running it. You can have the best stuff and still know nothin.
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
@@slopoke22 facts
@rolfemarquis1017Ай бұрын
i see that you hone a lot of diff motors. i just got my race build back from the shop and the crosshatch was supposed to be 30 degrees i just checked and theyre 10 degrees. in your opinion is this going to be an issue? do i have to oversize now and have it done again?
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
@rolfemarquis1017 yes, also the actual profile of the hone is as or more important than the angle,
@rolfemarquis1017Ай бұрын
@@powellmachineinc3179 is it cool if I send you the numbers so you can tell me what you think I know ur busy but I watch your vids and you really seem to know ur stuff
@rolfemarquis1017Ай бұрын
Trying to get a professional engine builders unbiased opinion I'm pretty sure they botched the job. Ray Charles is back I'm my neck of the woods lol
@funkyzeroАй бұрын
I have an honest question... I understand the desire to make everything perfect, but how can doing all of this for .005 or .007 possibly produce measurable beneficial results? By the time that thing heats up, it's all squirreled out of shape by a several thou anyway. As long as the heads and everything are sealing right, does it REALLY matter that much at all? I'm being serious, not just critical. I just don't see how paying for all of that and going through all of the trouble squaring it up for such small increments could make a difference enough make it all worth the trouble. Am I missing something?
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
Decks are important for intake fitment, it's moving no doubt, but not like a cylinder bore
@funkyzeroАй бұрын
@@powellmachineinc3179 Keep in mind that even though I've built more engines in my life than most regular people, I'm still just a shade tree amateur in that realm, so I have to take your word on it. It just doesn't make sense to me with the limited knowledge I have. I get the part about linear bore alignment and needing that surface to be on plane with the crankshaft so bores can be machined to match, but my brain just can't grasp how numbers that small can make a measurable difference. Now I know that it's important, but I never would have guessed that it was this critical. Thanks for taking the time to explain it.
@georgecutler920Ай бұрын
The method to the madness!😎👍
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
You know it!
@JonBanquerАй бұрын
What do you charge to use the BHJ fixture to completely square up a block?
@70sAirForceBratАй бұрын
Out of curiosity, out of all the LS and LT stock blocks that you done, how many of them have you found that were off center line from GM?
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
Probably 50/50
@fordguy8613Ай бұрын
With the block hanging in the middle and the 2" bar supported on the ends, is there any bar deflection concerns?
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
@@fordguy8613 no
@brianalbrecht4423Ай бұрын
excelant,excelant explanation..!..Daniel...easly understood..!...one question...detroit or any major auto maker...dont do all that mesurin on every block...?..right...?...they may do like one every 100 or 1000...am i correct in assume'n that..?..they just take them check a few thinks,clean them up & slam them together...!..?..mass production...!..a "qualified" machine shop makes an engine...as "perfict" as can be...!..if the coustomer wants all the services..of course...!..thanks 4 take the time...love videos like this...!..!..hope u & your family had a nice 4th..did the boss give u off...?..😉
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
Yes, they set a machine, check some samples and run a batch,
@brianalbrecht4423Ай бұрын
@@powellmachineinc3179 thanks Daniel thats what i learned about the auto industry from the 60ies through the 70ties...it has most likey has got'n less important...?...IMO...?..keep up the good work...people notice...!..
@truthboomertruthbomber5125Ай бұрын
How do you indicate in the 2” bar?
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
With a dial indicator
@MrTooTechnicalАй бұрын
Great vid. So if the main crank bore is not correct (assuming that is the starting reference), then what? Thanks.
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
That's why we always start a block at the line hone
@MrTooTechnicalАй бұрын
So that means there is no reference for that then. You go off the factory line?
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
@MrTooTechnical yes, even cnc does also, every thing is refranced from the crack CL
@MrTooTechnicalАй бұрын
So can it be said that the cl is near perfect? Or how far can it be out of spec on your machine that u can correct?
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
@@MrTooTechnical it is the refrance, so everything else is corrected to it
@SixBarrelАй бұрын
Thanks for your Time , always the Best and how do a job well done 🍻👍🏼
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
You bet
@nattydreadlocks1973Ай бұрын
How much did that machine cost?
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
I believe it was about 30k
@sebastianbezuidenhout4128 күн бұрын
Have you ever done work on a Toyota 1uz v8
@solitudenomercy9661Ай бұрын
I have a unrelated tech question if you don’t mid is I have a p0420 I put on a spacer now I get a p013a code can you point me in the correct direction
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
No Idea what those code definitions are
@davidholcomb9961Ай бұрын
Yeah, it would not be good if your piston and rod are hammering the crank and bearing on an angle! I imagine the bearings would be wiped out pretty fast. I don't think i've ever seen a bearing worn unevenly; probably because the engines don't last long enough to end up in junk yards.
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
Great point!
@futten3230Ай бұрын
AHAA so thats how that tool works and how ya indicte and get the surfaces 45 degrees ive seen others machinist bubblelevels and refferenced off the bores so make the deck perpedicular to the bores
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
No bubble levels here....
@user-gc8vf8yj1eАй бұрын
Will you need a shorter timing chain ?
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
No
@user-gc8vf8yj1eАй бұрын
I had a 396 bbc and it 406 sbc line honed with screw in studs and had to get a.005 short chain for each of them.
@Anthony-nw5zvАй бұрын
So, each company like Chevy would have their own specific plate for v8, v6 and so on!?
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
No 1 plate fits most
@jeffreydurham5342Ай бұрын
The slot for the cam tunnel cones allows that plate to work on most conventional 90 degree v style engines with the cam in the block.
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
@@jeffreydurham5342 correct
@richardlay1492Ай бұрын
Where are you located
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
Upstate SC
@patrickwendling6759Ай бұрын
Thank you for your knowledge and videos USA 🇺🇸 TRUMP 2024
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
Welcome
@jackwillson8099Ай бұрын
If you need a video on how to machine & your a machinist lol ,you shouldn't be doing this
@powellmachineinc3179Ай бұрын
There's tons out there that just don't know, young and or inexperienced, we are just trying to show the proper processes so people know how it should be done
@jackwillson8099Ай бұрын
@powellmachineinc3179 I get it! but I'm old school, if you take a part in your hand, you should be able too figure how too hold it & machine it 1 or 2 minutes ,or you will never make it in a job shop machine shop ! I invent & design all kinds of shit all the time lol,have couple Patents but your only good a your last machine job!