Darion Mackey then why does he complain to Raiden about his death? If noob loved being dead then he would thank raiden.

@@Red_1911 Jacqui's chapter in MK11 seems to suggest that Noob is still somewhat salty about it. Not only did Kronika promise his own army of darkness, Noob hoped that his "unjust" death would be prevented. p.s. I'm not suggesting that his death wasn't unjust with the quotation marks. This is how Noob himself referred to his own death. If he can admit that his death was unjust then he's probably still salty about it.

that was disappointing,you couldn't at least have scorpion and noob saibot,get a proper fight or interaction netherrealm? at this point I think ed boon is tired of MK,and he's milking it until he's done.

@@Red_1911 true true

He is though. But only in pre-fight dialogue with Raiden. He actually even says what he was "killed unjustly" to which Raiden replies what Scorpion lost his trust to which Noob in return replies what "this is not justice". He even considers thanking D'Vorah for killing Hanzo, but at the same time lashes out at her for robbing him of his vengeance. I have no idea why they didn't add a similar piece of dialogue in story mode, but then again it seems what story mode and pre-fight dialogue was written by completely different people (who still share complete lack of knowledge and understanding of MK lore).

He technically did,he kicked shinnok's ass and killed scorpion like he did in the original timeline,after that he just gets his ass kicked

Baraka, Reptile, Ermac, Sheeva, Kano, Mileena, and even all the new jobber characters from MK11 who have really cool ideas and more were all wasted as well, which is a shame as they are some of the coolest characters in the franchise. The villains always get the short end of the stick.

@@GhostFan-ev4di Do you actually say that Sonya can beat up Shinnock, Man the Power Scale in the new timeline is all over the place!!!

@@SinCity2100 yes indeed,and. apparently kronika a titan with time powers is weaker than geras a being she created herself

It sucks that the previous timelines don’t matter and the new timelines rewritten characters poorly. I wish Tobias didn’t leave.

To be fair though Quai Liang is the superior fighter but yeah Jaqui shouldn’t beat Noob. That’s why I always use Jax to fight him.

@@pearsemolloy9656 New timeline bullshit in the Original he beat sub zero in every encounter and dude No Jax is far weaker than any of the Ninja's Jax plays hands with Kano

@@Doralga right ninjas super powers can kill him

Nah the player had plot armor

Jacqui was the only one to show skill when fighting kuai lang while the rest of the kombat kids got their asses kick.

Would make a decent alt colour for once.

Lol , even I thought that XD

Could also work with ( character below) but with minors changes. In 11 roster. Liu Kang and Shang Tsung Sub-Zero and Scorpion Scorpion and Noob Jax and Jac Sonya and Cass Black and Cass Raiden and Sand Man Khan and Khan Jade and Kitana Frost and Sub Jon and Kano Jon and Noob

That's a good idea I wonder why they didn't do. For IJ2, they made premier skins for some characters like Green Lantern, Black Lightning and The Flash. Makes me wonder why they never did it. Could have had different dialogues too.

Its seems like such an obvious thing, and they *would* make a lot of money from that one skin.

A lil' correction here, Bi-Han never defeated Shinnok. He merely stole his amulet and then fled. So, yes, Bi-Han is clearly a force to be reckonned with but this battle is one he never won (and, understandably, never tried to fight).

@@reapersoon8362 But you can kill Shinnok so doesn’t count?

@@outis439-A Well I'm only taking the canon into account here. Canonically speaking Bi-Han never killed Shinnok. Indeed it can be done in the game, but canonically it never happened.

Fr. Dude was fire in that story. The game however .

😂😂😂😂🤣🤣

@@Ihave_memorylost I’m right here

@@ObitoUchiha38200 hello bro- Bi han😅

They don't, it's probably why the rebooted twice in three games.

@@jeggsonvohees2201 how many reboots must a game simply have to produce a good story?!

@@Prince-Shogun Depends on how bad your writers are. Reboots are generally reserved for when they've written themselves into a corner and can't get out. It's the result of a lack of care and attention to detail.

@@yutro213 I think you're on to something. Concerning storyline only, it seems that the added priorities towards Injustice along with MK seems to have affected how the stories are. I can't be the only one that watched MKX's story and thought, gee this seems JUST like Injustice's storyline. With I2 being a thing. It makes the storytelling and effort on MK less optimal and we feel like we are getting the exact same game

​@@computationjix428 You're not the only one. Ever since mk vs dc NRShas been recyclig the story structure of that game. After mk 9 we had injustice and the future mk games felt more and more like a character and setting swap that retains the "time traveling good/evil character versions" trope. MK feels like a reskinned variant of Injustice, similar plots, tropes, guest characters (from mk in injustice 1 and 2) and even costume mechanics (armor and gear). At this point its hard to identify the difference between the two other than character and setting design (Takeda's city in his mkx chapter perhaps could be a previous asset from injustice or from its cutting room floor).

wasn't John Tobias the one that actually created them? maybe if he didn't leave long ago we'd have consistent writing in Mortal Kombat games 🤔

Both of y’all are right. Tbh I was interested in the story but now it is just boring and missing some characters in the story once again. Smoke, rain, etc....

The dev teams most likely just don't give a toss about fan fic.

So true

Maybe the youtubers should write their own game and storyline to show these punks how it's done!

True, he lost to sonya and… scorpion in mk9. Wtf? So scorpy or sonya can beat shinnoks ass now?

Mk11's whole story was mess,four problems are time travel,kronika,titans,and multiple timelines,take all of those out,mk11 would be good

I wouldn’t call Bi-Han sexist. He probably just said that to piss off Frost given how quick to anger she is. Tbh, he does say some pretty heinous shit to all the characters. I think in the game, he threatened to said the n-word to Jax. So I wouldn’t necessarily label him as such.

@@Missrena1000 Making Bi-Han sexist doesn't really "do him dirty". It's not hard to believe that the Lin Kuei as a whole do not accept women given that the only instance of there being a woman present is when the group was under Kuai Liang's authority. Noob adopting the possible principles and values of his old clan seems to make lots of sense, more than 4thSnake's dream of him being redeemed despite being a dickhead bad guy even while alive.

When was he a dickhead bad guy while alive?

@@GhostFan-ev4di agreed

When john tobias left the story telling started to take a nose dive. He was the driving force behind the plots and character developments. I honestly wish he'd return to write the story for the games cause i guarantee he'd dish out a masterpiece for us.

@@TheNemisisx And, hopefully, they'll drop the "4 fights per chapter" thing...

They don’t understand that Bi-Han was not irredeemable.

Scorpion asked him how did he survive the souldnado

Yet for some reason he came out even weaker than in MK9. Meanwhile, Scorpion gets to be the Elder Gods champion and takes down Onaga.

@@WontSmith that just shows how some of the writers currently working on mk haven't played any of the past games

Its kind of weird cuz in the gallery u can see how concept arts say: Present Saibot and past saibot but we only see 1 xd

Won't Smith and I’m so fucking tired of lui kang. Why not let sub zero or scorpion get the endings... hell theyre the ones carrying the franchise

With what hes been gone through in mk9-mk11 i don’t think he can steal the amulet because raiden has the amulet. If he try to steal it then raiden would probably beat his ass out due to the fact he lose to sonya and jacqui 🤦‍♂️

hahaha Penny is strong enough to fight bi han now

Was that an intentional batman and Robin reference

Arthur Morgan no it was doctor claw from inspector gadget

@@TheHaigisawsome oh thank God.

now they brought back this rivalry with bi han as the villain for no reason

I think you need to calm down

Imagine, everything leads up to Liu Kang versus Shao Kahn, then plot twist! The game suddenly has you play as Shao Kahn.

To be fair about just playing good guys, Kotal Kahn isn't exactly a good guy.

@@naos8116 We're meant to sympathize with him more than Mileena. We either play the good guys or people who fall from grace or are still allies to the good guys. Up until Aftermath, we'd never play as Shao-Kahn. NRS needs to let us play the clear villains more often so we get to use more of the characters and the clear antagonists aren't useless jobbers.

This is one of the most obnoxious comments in all of KZfaq. This format needs to die. As do all who post like this

When he became the reaper of souls from Diablo III?

Well,here in Brazil this is a cool reference,because Noob's brazillian voice actor is the same as Kratos in God Of War 4,and "I am become Death,destroyer of worlds." Is what Kratos says in Ghost Of Sparta

User:Cyber_Bot_13 Not to take take away from how cool that must’ve been, but wouldn’t that be more coincidence than reference?

To be fair, he and Cyber Sub-Zero had a good interaction back in MK9. Probably some of NetherRealm's best writing. They should have done more with that.

The fucker quoted Oppenheimer, I cannot tell you how loud I cackled when I heard him say that. He's so goddamn edgy in 11, it is ridiculous. It was interesting at first where he betrayed Kronika because he figured she would betray him, but rather than keep that going where he's either extremely paranoid all the time or, like Shang Tsung, is typically untrustworthy, they made him into another 'i Am DaRkNeSs InCaRnAtE' villain.

What's sad is a good number of MK fans are like that. Many of the MK11 defenders knew they couldn't justify the story, so they just fell back on mocking people for caring about story and character in a fighting game.

@@jeggsonvohees2201 I hate the "it's a fighting game why take it seriously lol" argument, like yeah MK's canon is a fucking mess but that's no excuse for them not to put effort into it

@Gojira Sentai To be honest, I could put up with story and arcade modes being left out of the fighting games if said stories were explored in other media like animation and comics. Those outlets would have greater freedom to stretch their imagination and provide engaging and well written stories that maintained a logical consistency. So far we certainly haven't been able to rely on game modes to provide it.

Lol he's gonna end up as a jobber but the difference being him being no longer noob 😂

Yep, leave Smoke but have Cyrax. Somehow Sub-Zero cares more toward Cyrax rather than to Smoke.

Because being Smoke is suffering.

@@rawpowergroudon1 smoke is in pain

@@sieevansetiawan4792 Worse yet, Cyrax isn't even fucking playable. I loved the guy in MK9, and he and Sektor have a full model and vague moveset, but they're not playable? Bullshit.

I'd never throw you out in the cold.

thats cold

All of you just leave 😂😂😂😂😂

(Reads comments) Shiver me timbers!

you should have said 'I guess this character wasn't as cool as you thought....'

Damn, bi han always shitting on his little brother by his title

This is Hollywood we’re talking about. I highly doubt it.

@@Missrena1000 But detective pikachu was good/they're learning now

Depends on the director not what’s come out previously for video game movies

I think I heard that Scorpion and Sub Zero won't be in it. Raiden is supposed to be a teenager if you can believe it. And the main character is an original character who's a boxer, rather than one of the actual characters. It sounds like Resident Evil again, where the characters you want to see are just secondaries.

Jeggson Vohees yeah I heard that too

100% agree with you they did him so dirty

Probably because they didn't know what to do with a time travel esque script.

@@Einamu That's what I am saying. They should have had one more game before time travel. They literally wasted Enra, Takeda, and other side plots.The dynamic of Liu Kang being the villain and Dark Raiden warring states was already interesting enough.

@@Einamu incompetence

And I don't think we know what happened to characters like Reptile before the apparent reset at the end of MK11?

@@nightshroud9671 Nor do we know what happened to Smoke and Stryker, they kinda just disappeared.

Miss the Raiden outfit though hehe. 🙂💕

This is really awesome

Personally I'd throw a little redemption bone towards Frost. Like, say her slaving protocols were programmed to make her believe she chose this, but Kuai sees through it and frees her. The two exchange apologies for not believing in one another and from there she helps the brothers out. The cryomancer trinity working together would be awesome

@@Cdr2002 YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

MellowDarkflower jesus

it would be a good idea for Netherealm to use that.

They (and other MK fans) also refuse to acknowledge Bi-Han’s characterisation in the game and how he started to seek redemption in the game. People are so devoted to saying Bi-Han was evil as Sub Zero when there is evidence that proves otherwise. Also I don’t know why people are so passionate about Bi-Han being undeserving of redemption when Scorpion has done loads of shit that fucked people over. Scorpion never had characteristics taken from him, his specter is him and he has agency and he chooses to do bad things because he’s vengeful and selfish.

and dont let mileena die to DVORAH

@@malikrodriguez3588 Or Scorpion

and Noob killing DVorah would be even better.

@@drivanradosivic1357 hmmm maybe but bi-han really do not have any real big motive to kill d'vorah as of now

@@cybersugar4007 Well Bi-han killing D'Vorah out of her killing Scorpion his rival.

Well Bi-han should do that regardless if he is Sub Zero again or Noob Saibot.

@@DeathScepter fuck Dvorah

He probably hasn’t since NRS don’t understand that Bi-Han was looking for redemption after Mythologies.

Are you going to specify your opinion any further or is that it?

@@Cdr2002 If you want I can give you my response to your comment, but only if you like to listen, so get over here boy, this is going to be an Ice cold Bloodcup! In the Old timeline, Sub Zero is very much consistent with his Character in the New timeline, a cold man with a heart of Gold, as he should be. He is very pragmatic if he has to, but not vile like his Brother, which still holds true today so I don't see why he had fallen here. These people Sub Zero cared about, the people you, mentioned were, except with maybe Smoke( who was forced to be Evil and did not deserve this, and was allegedly saved by Sub Zero, hence why he fought in the final battle at Armageddon on the force of Light) lost causes as almost every attempt to save Frost ended with someone getting hurt and even caused the death of many of his loyal Lin Kuei, all because she betrayed Sub-Zero in an attempt to gain more power and control, stole Sub Zero's Medallion and tried to kill him(or Freeze), which ended with her being Frozen. after all the shit she did, I would have after her recovery confronted her and punished her for treason most likely with Death or imprison her in all for Eternity for her betrayal and Sub-Zero might have been in that position too. Noob refused to be good and despite his brother's attempts to redeem him, he still rejected him and joined the Forces of Darkness, so I doubt that he will try to redeem him again in a timeline, where both survived Armageddon somehow or during the Fight. So no, Kuai Liang should not have tried to give them so many Chances after all they did here. Oh, and your Gaslighting on Sub Zero's refusal to help the unhelpable is pretty awful. Bi Han had been responsible for a lot of deaths and even supported both the Cyber Initiative and Shao Khan's Invasion, which would have ended the lives of Billions of People on Earth and all of that for the Money, on top of telling his younger brother that they are no longer Siblings, this guy can rot in hell. Frost is equally bad, for refusing to get pass by her anti-Shirai Ryu believes and even nearly caused the death of Sub Zero, ergo, she can be either give the last warning( which is maybe what Sub did and she still serves Kronika) or expel her from the Lin Kuei. Cyrax was a lost cause, he died like in the Comics, in a Suicide and did the same in this game, hardly terrible from Sub-Zero to say goodbye to him. 2 of them deserve no redemption and the last one wanted to die, that is in no way incorrect for Subzero to act as he did in the storyline. Sub Zero is not compassionless, he understands, unlike you that you cannot open your hearts to everyone and that there are people, who, no matter what you do, refuse to change and pose a threat your life, it's like with Abusive Family Members, you like Sub Zero have to cut them out of your lives and be yourself, a good Human. Sub Zero did nothing wrong. What you want from Subzero is identical to what Cetrion did in the entire story, refusing to cut ties with her evil mother and allow her to plunge the realms to endless war, because she is family, which is stupid and evil. Cyrax, Smoke, and Scorpion were diffrent cases than the other 2, they deserve compassion and are actually good people, even though Scorpion is not that great in the beginning and even admits that he deserves no redemption, but in spite of all of this, at least attempts to put things right and he did with Takeda and the defeat of Havik, on top of being only the way he is due to being the victim of a mass murder, he has no perfect redemption, but still deserved it more than Frost or Noob. Batman died a long time ago since Allan Moore destroyed superheroes along with that fool Frank Miller, who made him a fascist, Batman is unlike Sub-Zero, not really a person anyone.

@Raider 2747 No, my point regarding these two is not Ignorant, it's quite Enlightened. Batman became more unlikable and detestable with the advent of these two writers, who tried to deconstruct Superheroes, which is why we have so many edgy and bad comics for following that trend. TV tropes made articles about much of it, it's under Misaimed fandom and 90's comics. Another good source on it is Hbomb's video regarding the killing Joke and the comic industry as a whole. I did not mention Sareena, because I found her not relevant in this discussion and a lot of the beef that happened with her and Kuai Liang was due to misunderstanding rather than utter hostility.

@Raider 2747 The All Star Batman stuff was made as a way to parody and even criticise TDKR Batman Frank himself created and even omitted to having ruined him by making him a fascist, he literally tried to make amends for his shit, until the Dark Knight movie came and made batman again edgy. Alan Moore did more than making the Killing Joke( which also created many crazy Joker fans, who believe he is right about the idea of needing one day to be enough to make someone evil, eve though it's contradicted in the story), he also made the Watchmen, the biggest deconstruction of Superheroes yet that literally sparked the beginning of the Edgy 90's comics and is the biggest influence on modern superheroes being dark and gruesome as opposed to the saviours they used to be. That it was made in the 80's doesn't devalue my point, because they still influence the 90's comics and still were the main inspiration for them, so yes, it's still their fault for the industry trend we have right now, even they admitted that they were overboard with some of the stuff they have written, it's even online, you can look it up.

@@basilofgoodwishes4138 I wish a few things storywise: A number of minor *mentioned/scrapped/forgotten* characters and realms from films, cartoons, conquest, legacy, books even games were involved in future games like taking part in the Battle of Armageddon. But the outcome will be different like Taven negates everyone's powers. Ashrah purified Noob thus allowing the reconciliation between the brothers and therefore allowing a new alliance between Lin Kuei and Shirai Ryu ninja clans. Kitana goes into the past where here first encounter with Mileena occurred. Then Kitana instead of being like before which was jump to conclusions, she could have lectured Mileena the same way with Baraka, granting her new life free of Shang Tsung. If Baraka, Scorpion, Erron Black and Shiva became good, why not Mileena? Ermac? Cetrion? Geras? Ashrah purified even Onāgá as well as Empress Kreeya. With that done, Kotal explains to Onāgá, Kreeya and Dairou that Kitana is now empress who did better job than Shao Kahn. Onāgá will be with Empress Kreeya and Kotal be with Jade. Dairou? No idea... Shiva, Mileena, Baraka, Jade, Onāgá, Kotal, Kreeya, Zeffeero, Dairou would even pledge their loyalty to their new empress. Liu Kang (still fire-thunder fused) could perhaps have a happy ending too. Kitana forms an all-female fighting force (Lì Méi, Sonya, Jade, Mileena, Shiva - except Sindel being killed for being a gold digger) and banish the Forces of Evil to the Netherrealm. Khameleon restore Zaterra with the help of Ferra & Torr and a redeemed Reptile as well as Chameleon. Perhaps, Khameleon could be ruler of Zaterra. Sonya (similar to Mortal Kombat Armageddon ending) annihilates Black Dragon and Red Dragon with Jax observing "Damn, you barbecued his ass".

It's true. ;)

"A gatekeeper."

it doesn't matter now,mk11 erased all of that.

@@GhostFan-ev4di fuck MK11

Perfect opportunity but they fumbled it.

Yep. Cetrion could have been so much. We'd only ever fought a *fallen* Elder God before. Cetrion should be final boss level. Or pull an MK4 where the subboss far outstrips the final one.

@@The4thSnake Both Cetrion and Shinnok are jokes now, especially with Cassie constantly bragging about her (contrived bullshit) victory over the latter in the intros. The Elder Gods are literally the power behind the existence of the realms. It's really vague and weird how a mortal bloodline with the power to defeat them could even exist especially when their mommy is apparently in control of all time and fate.

Right now, I have zero. ;)

Same with Kelly Hu coming back as D'Vorah but not Frost.

my guess is they were worried that having the same actor playing too many roles might be immersion breaking, in Elder Scrolls for instance hearing the same voice come out of completely different characters over and over again is very jarring at times. That said there is absolutely value in keeping the casting consistent Patrick Seitz has done a wonderful job with Scorpion and has played him consistently enough that I really can't imagine anyone else playing the role at this point, or how about the fact that they've been using the same "GET OVER HERE!" sound clip for ages because it's become part of the character and cannot be removed without something being lost along with it.

@@GodOfOrphans And yet, Steve Blum gets his fourth role in Baraka.

@@The4thSnake I still have absolutely no idea what compelled them to hire a major talent like Kelly Hu and waste her on a shit kharacter like D'vorah

I know this probably sounds crazy but I swear I would be able to explain it better with actual words

Thata the MK writers for you

They won't.

Shame it doesn't apply to his intro line.

i just treat it as a alternate retelling with new plot twist

I am doing fanfic prequel trilogy. I'll be doing a remake of MK Armageddon next

There's an MK Khronicles chapter about her.

I think I finally figured out the problem with Frost’s MKX appearance. They gave her Bi-Han’s personality inexplicably.

Carlos D Rodriguez Which turned to her being a woke cyborg that hates everything and everyone thinking she’s better than everyone. I love how she looks and all, but man she needs to chill

Yeah her MK11 portrayal is abysmal

Carlos D Rodriguez Worst of all, she was always like this

Except not really. In the original timeline she had no issue with the Shirai Ryu and although arrogant, wasn't intrinsically evil. She made a mistake, and instead of learning from it, the writers gave her dementia and saddled her up with the bad guys. At least Sub still held out hope for her. A shame we never got to see any redemption come to light.

I have on planned, but I'm struggling to make it work because MK11 is so nonsensical in its premise.

Technically all of his feats in mk mythologies doesn’t matter anymore because he gets beat up by humans like Sonya and Jacqui

@@godzillagurus576 Exactly, it's a tragedy

@@codafett yep. They should decanonize mk mythologies because it doesn’t make sense that bi han loses to humans but yet he was able to beat 4 elemental gods

You paragraph sound like is could literally be in the video.

I blame the unneccesary push for adding new characters they literally could have added no new characters to any of the Netherrealm games and stuck exclusively to existing ones and hardly anyone would've minded, hell unless you count Cyber Sub Zero that's exactly what they did for MK9 and that one is by far the best of the trilogy if not the entire franchise. but of course once you add new characters you're obligated to do something with them since they have no previous continuity and old fans to fall back on so they are shoehorned into scenarios they don't belong.

Why put in the effort when you make shit loads of cash anyway,

GREAT video by the way

Thank you.

Exactly! smh

I wanna see bihan meeting his future self (noob saibot) but nope

I prefer Vet Saibot, but either works.