Bible Prophecy # 6--Does the Longest Prophecy in the Bible "Foretell" Events After They Happened?

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James Tabor

James Tabor

10 ай бұрын

Daniel 10-12 is the longest single visionary Prophecy in the Hebrew Bible, and depending on how one views the various segments of the New Testament book of Revelation--the longest in the entire Bible.
It is uncannily accurate--almost! Was it written after the Fact? In other words, presented as foretelling evens that had already occurred?
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@roberthawes3093
@roberthawes3093 10 ай бұрын
Anyone who is serious in their efforts to learn about a subject should be able to sit through a 40-minute presentation by an expert. I love your material, Dr. Tabor. Keep piling on the details. And thank you!
@Magplar
@Magplar 10 ай бұрын
12:36 Never in my life will ever complain about you diving into the weeds. Thank you so much for all the work you share with us here on youtube.
@slimdusty6328
@slimdusty6328 10 ай бұрын
Never ever get bored, at all, with the length of your videos Dr Tabor. Thoroughly enjoy them all.
@robertgusnowski5495
@robertgusnowski5495 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for your videos. Your work is outstanding.
@geraldmeehan8942
@geraldmeehan8942 10 ай бұрын
Back for #6, keep up the good work!
@jamesmainger2153
@jamesmainger2153 10 ай бұрын
What an eye opener this series is! Dr. Tabor’s meticulous analysis of these very foundational prophecies reveals an important underlying dynamic in the evolution of both Judaism and Christianity. They were both shaped so acutely by them. Thank you, Dr. Tabor!
@dissidentfairy4264
@dissidentfairy4264 10 ай бұрын
Thank you, Dr. Tabor. I absolutely loved this lecture. This is beyond fascinating and I can't wait for the next one:-) 🧚‍♀
@elizabeth_777
@elizabeth_777 10 ай бұрын
That makes perfect sense, Dr. Tabor 🤓Thank you again!🤓I look forward to your next installment 🤗🤓
@joannwillits5129
@joannwillits5129 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for detail explanation of Daniel. Makes sense the way you teach this book.
@junepatterson7928
@junepatterson7928 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
@cletuspiper4999
@cletuspiper4999 10 ай бұрын
Always look forward to Dr. Tabor’s teaching.
@mikejurney9102
@mikejurney9102 10 ай бұрын
Thank you from the insights. I look forward to your next video.
@Troy140
@Troy140 10 ай бұрын
This man is just amazing, educated and always interesting, we are indeed blessed here on youtube !!
@Sportliveonline
@Sportliveonline 10 ай бұрын
what do you think of the Jehovah`s Witness interpretation of Daniel
@barneywilliam12
@barneywilliam12 10 ай бұрын
Verse 35 of 11 I believe is a “phantom switch” character, like Antiochus that is to sort of replay those events, like a replication in the time of the end that will mimic the Maccabean event. I am also drawn with interest unto verse 37 of 11, which presents the “or to the one beloved by women”, obviously referring unto Tammuz, the failed deity, which I associate with the one from town of nowhere vile where that certain watch tower with consecrated branches came from a bit later. Verse 45 is another phantom switch between the previous subject to “Michael” in 12:1. I guess we could say that the Maccabean event was being used as a map that is to be replicated at the end.
@bunchlead
@bunchlead 10 ай бұрын
Very interesting.
@josephwurzer4366
@josephwurzer4366 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for going through the history.
@scienceexplains302
@scienceexplains302 10 ай бұрын
Daniel 12:4 “shut these words and seal the book *until the time of the end”* Doesn’t this mean that the author thought his time - around 165 BCE - was the Time of the End? Thanks for another excellent lesson, Dr T
@dianereneemacdonell1046
@dianereneemacdonell1046 10 ай бұрын
Thank you Dr. Tabor!
@Sportliveonline
@Sportliveonline 10 ай бұрын
what do you think of the Jehovah`s Witness interpretation of Daniel
@jdaze1
@jdaze1 10 ай бұрын
The "man" in Daniel is actually the spirit of prophecy which is the Spirit of God. Thise messenger brings wisdom and knowledge to the prophets.
@PC-vg8vn
@PC-vg8vn 10 ай бұрын
although most commentators seem to believe the 4th kingdom was Roman, others such as Robert Gurney and John Walton have believed it to be Greek. This makes more sense of v40-45 with the ending of the Greek empire.
@nonomnismoriar9051
@nonomnismoriar9051 10 ай бұрын
Virtually all critical scholars think its the Greeks. Only committed Christians and Jews argue(d) it was Rome.
@mjt532
@mjt532 10 ай бұрын
Gurney says vv. 40-45 fit sometime in the Greek era, after Anticohus IV. Do you remember which kings he thinks are the "King of the North" and "King of the South" in v. 40?
@Jaclyn25
@Jaclyn25 10 ай бұрын
It's probably because Greco Roman religion is so closely connected? Rome just renamed the hosts of Heaven.
@ezekielsaltar4728
@ezekielsaltar4728 10 ай бұрын
Has anybody noticed that the description of Jesus in Revelation 1 is the same description of the angel in Daniel 10? Are the early Christians (i.e. Paul's followers) using Daniel to describe the resurrection body?
@Jamie-Russell-CME
@Jamie-Russell-CME 10 ай бұрын
Do you think Paul believed Michael and Jesus are the same person when he writes 1 Thessalonians 4?
@otiliadurchi7814
@otiliadurchi7814 10 ай бұрын
WONDERFUL! , WONDERFUL! !! 🙂😊💗😁☺️🌅🌄
@Sportliveonline
@Sportliveonline 10 ай бұрын
what do you think of the Jehovah`s Witness interpretation of Daniel
@michaelsmith9453
@michaelsmith9453 10 ай бұрын
ShabbatShalom James!
@Sportliveonline
@Sportliveonline 10 ай бұрын
what do you think of the Jehovah`s Witness interpretation of Daniel
@onika700
@onika700 7 ай бұрын
Could it be talking about Vespasian who said he was the Messiah?
@MJ-lx8pc
@MJ-lx8pc 10 ай бұрын
I have always wondered if the 'render unto Caesar' story was a true saying of Jesus or if it was added later to make Christianity more acceptable to Rome. Any way to know?
@ChristianRThomas
@ChristianRThomas 10 ай бұрын
For what it's worth, it is one of the main things to cause me doubts about the historicity of Jesus. If He doesn't know that money and taxation are two cornerstones of any slave system then one wonders what He does know, if anything. This aspect is also one of the things that tells me that the place people go to in NDEs is very much inside the Matrix. They almost never, ever tell the NDEer that Earth is a slave system and everything here is a sewer of corruption. (I've come across only one or two where they've clarified what the situation here is, and in one of those it was given a context of Satan being in charge, so implying that you should get back to Church. This is out of perhaps 500 NDE accounts I've listened to or watched.)
@MJ-lx8pc
@MJ-lx8pc 10 ай бұрын
Interesting take on the question. I was hoping Dr Tabor would give us some textual evidence.
@Jamie-Russell-CME
@Jamie-Russell-CME 10 ай бұрын
mareh in 8 on seems associated with Messiah
@ezekielsaltar4728
@ezekielsaltar4728 10 ай бұрын
There is 1290 days between Shavuot 167 BCE to Hanukkah 164 BCE. Coincidence? I think not!
@mjt532
@mjt532 10 ай бұрын
What is the dating for Shavuot 167? I assume you're using 1 Macc 4 for 164 BCE?
@ezekielsaltar4728
@ezekielsaltar4728 10 ай бұрын
​@@mjt532 The 1290 days (and the 2300) are short hand code for "the time between Shavuot and Hanukkah". So there are exactly 1290 days between Shavuot (May 30, 167 BCE) and Hanukkah (Dec 10, 164 BCE). This is a quirk of the Jewish calendar that is based on the 19 year Metonic cycle. The 1290 days happens quite frequently, it shows up in 135-138 CE (Hadrian). And also 67-70 CE.
@richardrogers156
@richardrogers156 7 ай бұрын
Seen something like that couple years ago driving around praying in the country and tired of people calling me crazy or he is on something.I started taking pictures and have a picture of a round Amber glowing craft in daytime in Northwest sky close to Rt.18&Rt.20 bypass around 5:30 in evening.A flash of light going up and flash of light under the Sun? This made pray more and study Strongs concordance bible dictionary in Greek and Hebrew and look up signs and lying signs and wonders.Im sure you have one I love God, Jesus and the Holy spirit that leads us and don't like slew foot or Antichrist.Paul tried to warn the Greeks about worshipping mythology gods.Growing up on a Zenobia road seen a huge ship in the sky in early 80s at #5237 in Hebrew says -r woman heathendome?Seen some crazy stuff on that road that people would not believe.Glad the Holy spirit led me away from there but still seeing things and pray people repent and turn to God learn about Jesus and recognize how the Holy spirit leads us.I don't know everything and don't have credentials as some say.Why don't people follow the calendar for daily reading of scriptures? Daily bread still does but something changed.They used to have poems but I still read for myself like everyone else should and try to see the good in everyone,love you neighbor as thyself, Have no other gods before God he is a Jealous God!Seen many miracle's.God is awesome, Jesus is our savior and Holy spirit leads us and guides us.Different levels of learning I noticed over the years of studying.Always pray to God for wisdom in Jesus name Amen!💪😇🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
@ezekielsaltar4728
@ezekielsaltar4728 10 ай бұрын
The ten toes are the ten Jewish kings (and Queen) between Antiochus and Rome. The Stone is the Messiah.
@discoveringthegardenofeden7882
@discoveringthegardenofeden7882 10 ай бұрын
I would really like to have a live discussion with you. I studied law at university and, earlier, Latin Greek in medium/high school. After all these years of study I would qualify myself as a 'follower of the way'. I really appreciate the Jewish approach to exegesis which follows the 'PARDES' system. I want to share what I discovered over 7 years in studying the 'literal layer'. Kind regards, a fan. Joris/George.
@Sportliveonline
@Sportliveonline 10 ай бұрын
what do you think of the Jehovah`s Witness interpretation of Daniel
@discoveringthegardenofeden7882
@discoveringthegardenofeden7882 10 ай бұрын
@@Sportliveonline I couldn't care less. JW is closer to Islam than to Judeo-Christianity.
@Jamie-Russell-CME
@Jamie-Russell-CME 10 ай бұрын
hi
@Jamie-Russell-CME
@Jamie-Russell-CME 10 ай бұрын
i would argue this is Jesus, see Revelation in 10:4. obviously the writer of Revelation did. And which is "mareh". Like what would be Michael/Messiah/prince of the covenant
@Jaclyn25
@Jaclyn25 10 ай бұрын
The Saints of the Most high.. did Judaism have Saints?? Isn't Daniel about the gentiles?
@ChildofGod98765
@ChildofGod98765 10 ай бұрын
God please continue to give me strength because I’m losing hope. As Christians it’s important to trust God no matter what we are going through. God is our only strength in this world. Like many other single parents things are tough on me. Both of my sons are autistic. I’m constantly struggling to provide for them and now that I’m home schooling them things are especially hard. I’m having trouble getting their school supplies. I’m overwhelmed. Father God hear my prayers. My faith in you is strong! Even as I constantly struggle to pay my rent. And I constantly struggle to provide groceries for my children. I trust you Lord! I’m keeping faith. Walking with faith is the most important thing us christian’s must do. That’s why love compassion and prayers are all we truly need. Please keep me and my boys in your prayers.
@Spiritdove64
@Spiritdove64 10 ай бұрын
Stop being so needy you have it already
@thomasrhodes5013
@thomasrhodes5013 10 ай бұрын
@@Spiritdove64 I have seen this before and it's a ''grifter''.
@TheYgds
@TheYgds 10 ай бұрын
@@thomasrhodes5013 Looks like a bot.
@atifbangash
@atifbangash 10 ай бұрын
Brother James, A POSSIBLITY:Kingdom of South is Prophet Muhammad??. It got into power for a very short period but then was overtaken again. Mu'awiya was the Ruler of Syria & had control of the areas of Moab Edom area during those days. After the Death of prophet, the Umayyad Dynasty created some schism in the Muslim world which till date revibrates in the Muslim world. Mu'awiya had a neutralish relation with the Romans during early days & perhaps later. He married a Byzantine Christian princess. You should dig into the Muslim world to find the continuation. (P.S. Moses brought out Jews in 1446(Jewish Calendar).. Currently it is 1445(Islamic Calendar))
@Darisiabgal7573
@Darisiabgal7573 10 ай бұрын
Loyal viewer = just got off work and too lazy to switch to see if there is another channel😎 But this stuff is important. lol.
@GD-qn7xo
@GD-qn7xo 8 ай бұрын
I am very glad you said Daniel "almost" ends with Antiochus IV, because it doesn't at all, and you do seem to have an understanding about the time of the end being the destruction of the statue's feet, an event understood as Jesus' Second Advent, by all non-Catholics believers. The reason you don't seem to know how to apply what "the time of the end" means is because you are completely ignoring the historicist method of understanding prophecy, which is what all biblical scholars used, all Reformers including, until the Jesuits Ribera and Alcazar in the 1500's seduced and confused the entire world with two perfectly opposite views (to each other). If you instead chose to use the Bible to interpret itself, then you would understand that God provided "a day for a year", key to understand prophecy, which essentially means Daniels prophecy ends 2,300 years later, and THIS IS when the "Time of End End" begins. Using Daniel 9's Seventy Week period of this prophecy, you can see that this 2,300-year prophecy starts in 457BC, when Artaxerxes decreed to "build and restore Jerusalem", points to Jesus' ministry and death on Earth with incredible mathematical precision and ends in 1844 AD. This is when the Times of the End" begin. You can then use "The Revelation of Jesus Christ to Apostle John to truly understand our times and who the real Antichrist is.
@mjt532
@mjt532 10 ай бұрын
30:26 This would do violence to the text. The King of the North is always a Seleucid Greek king, and the King of the South is always a Ptolemaic Greek king. To say that the King of the North (and the King of the South) in v. 40 are kings of completely different empires is really a strained explanation.
@richarddemuth7077
@richarddemuth7077 10 ай бұрын
Observation #1: "Gold of UPHAZ" is just a poetic disortion used for the sake of "supernaturalism", of the "Biblical" phrase "gold of OPHIR" used in the "Book of Kings". (O)F(i)R was the region Fars/Firs in southeastern Persia.
@richarddemuth7077
@richarddemuth7077 10 ай бұрын
Observation #2: "The Book of TRUTH" in Hebrew would be "Sepher HeMeTH" ; homophonic with the word "HaMaTH" for "multitude" used in the verse describing the strength of the "angel's" voice. There is a REASON for this parallelism. The Hebrew word for "angel/messenger" was "MaLaCH", homophonic with the Hebrew word for "king", "MeLCH". The Persians had an ancient saying: "The King's voice is Truth." They also said that "Three things there are that are strong: Wine is strength, Women are stronger, the KING is strongest; but TRUTH is the strongest of all."
@richarddemuth7077
@richarddemuth7077 10 ай бұрын
Observation #3: XERXES was the FOURTH Persian king of the Achaemanid Dynasty. HE was the one that led the famous invasion of Greece, that ended in Persian defeat at the epic Battle of Marathon.
@richarddemuth7077
@richarddemuth7077 10 ай бұрын
Observation #4: "DIADOCHI" is pronounced "die-ad-o-ki". Pro Tabor kind of mangled it.
@richarddemuth7077
@richarddemuth7077 10 ай бұрын
Observation #5: The Roman Empire WASN'T "much larger" than that of Alexander "the Great". Alexander's had MORE land territory, but the Romans controlled the ENTIRE Mediterranean Sea and was BRIEFLY larger than Alexander's empire when they temporarily conquered Mesopotamia's Persian Empire under Trajan, as well as Arabia and the Red Sea and the Persian Sea.
@richarddemuth7077
@richarddemuth7077 10 ай бұрын
Observation #6: The footnote #13 in Pro. Tabor's study Bible mentioning the battle at RAPHIA indicates that the name of the angelic messenger speaking to Daniel is the archangel RAPHAEL. The continuation of it, that "...Antiochus turned and crushed the Egyptians at BANIAS" (later the site called "Paneas" during the Roman dominion of Palestine) reminds me of Josephus' comment in his little autobiography that when he first started seeking out the truths of Judaism he became a disciple of a wilderness hermit-prophet (like John the Baptist) named "BANIAS"!! Of further SIGNificance is the mention in Footnote 18-19 that after Antiochus was checked by the Roman commander, "he started plundering on his return journey and died at ELYMAIS"!! "ELYMAS" was the surname or moniker of the sorcerer called "JESUS" that the apostle Paul encountered on his missionary journey at Paphos on Cyprus, according to "Acts of the Apostles" chapter 13. THIS makes me 🤔 IF the reference to BANIAS in Josephus' autobiographical text is a CHRISTIAN interpolation/insertion based on these passages in the "Book of Daniel" referring to these admittedly UNnamed events. Someone might have been trying to make Josephus look like an erstwhile Christian who REALLY wrote of John because he was seeking a character like John the Baptist to follow. It never made sense to me WHY a ROYAL Hashmonaean aristocratic descendent such as Josephus would want to go out to live like a hermit in the wilderness when he was part of a PRIESTLY family in Jerusalem. THIS ALSO indicates to me the "Book of Daniel" was composed MUCH LATER than is commonly thought!
@justinbyrge8997
@justinbyrge8997 10 ай бұрын
Plot twist: time travel to the past is possible and what we see written in the books of the Bible and other scriptures are narratives of other timelines that have been altered several times in an attempt to prevent some pretty nasty things from developing. We're the beneficiaries of those time travelers who eventually succeeded after several attempts and are now reading their stories as myths and fantasy because in order to fix the several disasters they thwarted they had to destroy themselves by preventing the disaster that led to the discovery of backwards time travel in the first place. That's the gyst, details be damned. You're welcome 😁
@NotNecessarily-ip4vc
@NotNecessarily-ip4vc 10 ай бұрын
[Genesis 1 Elohim vs Genesis 2 Yahweh Elohim]: "Deus" means "God", "Dea" means "Goddess", and "Dei" could either mean "gods" (plural) or "God's" (possessive) based on context. The Hebrew counterparts to the Latin above are El, Elah and Elohim. The Hebrews "syncretized" these three titles of God into all just meaning "El". I'd imagine this happened during the Babylonian captivity. The sheer amount of biblical contradictions that has caused is staggering. Yahweh is a Deity (Elohim), not Deus (El), and a false one at that. Yahweh says "I am Yahweh your Elohim (Deity)" like a thousand times in the Old Testament. The Elohist uses the possessive context for Elohim (except when referencing the false Elohim). The Yahwist, Priestly and Deuteronomist use the plural context for Elohim (except when referencing the true Elohim). What is the heresy of two powers in heaven? The basic heresy involved interpreting scripture to say that a principal angelic or hypostatic manifestation in heaven was equivalent to God. The earliest heretics believed in two complementary powers in heaven, while later heretics believed in two opposing powers in heaven. This "heresy" isn't a heresy at all since we're talking about Elohim (Deities in Latin), not El (Deus in Latin). The Bible isn't mainly about El/Theos/Deus or whatever language you want to say the title (not a name) meaning God. The Bible is about Elohim (sons of El). This nullifies the "no two powers in heaven" heresy. Good vs evil Elohim, True vs false Elohim, Chosen vs usurper Elohim, Necessary vs contingent Elohim, Genesis 1 Elohim vs Genesis 2 Yahweh Elohim. Bibles should note when Elohim is used as plural or possessive. They do not. Try reading the NOG translation on Bible Gateway website. Uncensored. El and Elah titles of God are also mentioned in the OT but not until much later in the story and far less frequently than the true and false Elohim from Genesis 1 and Genesis 2. Theology comes from combining two Greek words: Theos, meaning God, and Logos, meaning Word or rational thought. [The Word is Elohim from Genesis 1] (not to be confused with Yahweh Elohim, the false Elohim, from Genesis 2) Compare John 1: 1-5 with Genesis 1: 1-5: John 1: 1-5 Names of God Bible The Word Becomes Human 1 In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was already with God in the beginning. 3 Everything came into existence through him. Not one thing that exists was made without him. 4 He was the source of life, and that life was the light for humanity. 5 The light shines in the dark, and the dark has never extinguished it. Genesis 1: 1-5 Names of God Bible The Creation 1 In the beginning Elohim created heaven and earth. 2 The earth was formless and empty, and darkness covered the deep water. The Ruach Elohim was hovering over the water. 3 Then Elohim said, “Let there be light!” So there was light. 4 Elohim saw the light was good. So Elohim separated the light from the darkness. 5 Elohim named the light day, and the darkness he named night. There was evening, then morning-the first day.
@LucaneAl
@LucaneAl 10 ай бұрын
Oh finished? Go sleep
@garyclothier9914
@garyclothier9914 10 ай бұрын
666=000 GRC
@Sportliveonline
@Sportliveonline 10 ай бұрын
what do you think of the Jehovah`s Witness interpretation of Daniel
@garyclothier9914
@garyclothier9914 10 ай бұрын
@@Sportliveonline sorry I don't read books
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