Big Automobilista 2 V1.5.3 Review: Another MAJOR step!

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8 ай бұрын

This video reviews Automobilista 2's latest imminent update V1.5.3 - it is another good step in the right direction. Many things are changed, most notably the tire tread, AI and rain that I go through in this video.
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00:00:00 Intro
00:05:20 Tire Tread - Slip, Grip, TC?
00:25:03 AI - fast but...
00:39:13 Wet driving is on a new level

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@mikecroshaw9233 8 ай бұрын

Very fair review:) AMS2 continues moving in the right direction. As someone who races only in VR it's right at the top of my go to list now for pure fun.

@EinFritzMitX 8 ай бұрын

"Fun" is a major factor when it comes to AMS2. I know that everyone defines fun differently. Things that entertain one bore somebody else to tears. And other simulations can be great fun as well. I love ACC (even though I'm not very good at it), but I'm a huge GT3 enthusiast. But "fun" in ACC works differently for me: I get this feeling when I nail a lap and set a new personal record. But until this happens, the driving feels more like a chore to me. The car seems to fight against you, the track seems to fight against you and the clock that is mercilessly ticking does it as well. If I can overcome all of this, the fun kicks in. In AMS2 however the driving itself just feels like a joy. It doesn't give me the feeling that everything is constantly working against me, but instead I feel like spending time in my "natural habitat". I'm not going to argue which of these two games is the better simulation, for I would never bet against ACC. But for pure enjoyment AMS2 just takes the cake for me, even in its' current state. Can't wait to get my hands on the 1.5.3 release.

@bruswain9158 8 ай бұрын

I've recently got in to Rfactor 2..in VR. I've never had so much fun in a racing SIM.. especially in the GT3 PACK cars. The car seems so grounded. I love it. Just fyi I have around 40 hours in ams 2 and about 150 hours in AC. I haven't tried ams2 since the new physics it has to be said

@omni7173 8 ай бұрын

As AMS2 enthusiast i happy to see E-Sport driver who's helping game became better. Thank you for such professional analys!

@Darkeminence 8 ай бұрын

Thanks a lot for the feedback! Much appreciated level headed approach and nice visualization and explanation of what has been "felt and seen"! :)

@ettoresapienzamaddriver876 8 ай бұрын

Great in depth review. Balanced and objective. More of this kind of videos is needed for the community

@alex.germany 8 ай бұрын

What a great review. I can feel the car by just listening to you 🙂. Thank you!

@wiegraf9009 8 ай бұрын

Thanks for this video it helps me understand that I shouldn't hold AMS2 as a standard for grip and learn to be more cautious.

@X1erra 8 ай бұрын

Your feedback is VERY valuable. Definitely a great way to know just how far Reiza is willing to discover and utilize Madness Engine's many untapped potentials. Keep it up, Nils!

@bosneb 8 ай бұрын

This game was flying under my radar, just picked it up and love it for the track selection and actually decent AI. Had a great race at Bathurst against it, and I'm sold. I hope they continue to improve the physics coz it does feel a bit too easy to drive compared to iracing, rf2, ac, etc. It makes me look like I'm a much better driver than I am. Fun tho.

@SimracingPopometer 8 ай бұрын

Agree, fun, but could be more challenging

@talon1706 7 ай бұрын

The German Group A cars at Bathurst are a blast.

@perludierende_praesumtion 8 ай бұрын

Drives alien laptimes out of nowhere while explaining deep physics behaviors of AMS2. Welcome to Nils channel: You will feel like a rookie even with top5% laptimes. 😂 We love you

@SimracingPopometer 8 ай бұрын

thanks so much mate :D

@azarisLP 8 ай бұрын

Excellent review.

@Emir_de_Passy 8 ай бұрын

Outstanding review. Thanks so much.

@viktorianas 8 ай бұрын

What fascinates me the most is that even not perfect yet, but they are trying to fix EXACTLY what is wrong with tyre model, it was so easy just to slap brakes while cornering to get more grip without any consequences, it was way to forgiving. The other thing that some cars feels a bit weightless, not enough inertia overall, other than that amazing sim.

@SimracingPopometer 8 ай бұрын

at least the inertia gets dampened a lot by the tire wall (that's how it feels at least)

@MRD0889 8 ай бұрын

AMS2 in VR 0.0 Just got it because I heard ppl say VR on this title is real good. I must say.. I was super impressed 😊 I noticed just like in F1 23, trail braking seems second nature for me here.

@rednoseferrari 8 ай бұрын

Great review. The AI is always a challenge for the developer. They try hard to program in different skill levels for the AI drivers to spread the field over the race duration. You were "battling" in the rear where the AI is the "mid pack". Maybe if you do a short qually and try to pace yourself to qualify in the top 5-8, you will battle with the faster part of the field in the race. Or you can look at the replay of the race and see where the really fast AI drivers choose their lines. Then there is the custom drivers where you can tweak the AI skills yourself. The question, as you said, is if you prefer multi player online competition or single player against AI. That will determine how much importance the AI is for you personally.

@NicolayGiraldo 8 ай бұрын

Both. With good AI, you can use the AI to train for multiplayer events.

@ihamptonii 8 ай бұрын

I learned some good tips from your laps against the Ai. Your lap time puts mine to shame. Thanks for making this video.

@captainaustria95 8 ай бұрын

Theres never a lack of reason to make an ams 2 video 🎉❤

@SimracingPopometer 8 ай бұрын

even if you made 100, there'd still be an undriven car

@gfoyle6571 8 ай бұрын

Nice review. Would had been nice to see you try some of the other cars too (BMW M1 Procar or SuperV8 are great fun to drive for example, especially on something like Bathurst or Kyalami).

@SimracingPopometer 8 ай бұрын

yeah i played a bit more, but for the review i just sticked to what i complained about in the first 1.5 test to have a proper "side by side" so to say

@luizarthurbrito 8 ай бұрын

This game has been a real "labour of love" steam award deservingly title. I haven't played this in a while, time to give it another try. Besides, this is the only game it has many local tracks to me other than intelagos😅 big plus.

@SimracingPopometer 8 ай бұрын

4 minutes into a 60 min video: comment! :))

@luizarthurbrito 8 ай бұрын

@@SimracingPopometerI had read the blog before the video ;P Half way though the video as of right now! Great comments! 2x speed

@NicolayGiraldo 8 ай бұрын

Other than AMS 1 you mean

@luizarthurbrito 8 ай бұрын

@@SimracingPopometeroh, Nils, forgot to comment: a GT7 video about Sophie would be very interesting. I don't have a ps5 but from what I've seen it seems to be the most advanced racing AI in gaming.

@SimracingPopometer 8 ай бұрын

I don't have one either unfortunately. maybe one day. gt7 looks like a major time investment

@RikySim 8 ай бұрын

My underdtanding abuot the racing line in rain was in a race with other cars that washes the racing line... I rhink you should give it a look.

@TheCameltotem 8 ай бұрын

I would love your input on this. I feel like the initial turn in grip is very high, l sometimes abuse this taking the corner later than I would and just snap the wheel 45 degrees and usually always it grips or just slightly understeer instead of where in other sims it massively understeers or you lose the rear. Mid corner and out of corner grip is very on point with other sims but turn in grip feels way to high comapare with others. Any ideas on that?

@mesfigas 8 ай бұрын

Great Analysis

@MrTravisDCook 8 ай бұрын

The ai can be perfect if they want it to be But that wouldn't be good i believe. Excellent video and review

@blablabla1612 8 ай бұрын

How does the AI behave in changing weather conditions now? In earlier versions, they could stay out on slicks for a long time doing decent times whereas I had to pit quite soon because of losing grip. I experienced that in some formula classes.

@SimracingPopometer 8 ай бұрын

just recorded another video - you WILL see :D

@autofokus9054 8 ай бұрын

Nice Video. Is it correct that AMS physics base on rfactor physics? Would be very interesting to see a comparison between the major simulations as ACC, iRacing, AMS and rfactor 2!

@SimracingPopometer 8 ай бұрын

I did a comparison here a while ago: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fpecraeGstfWopc.html& rf2 also builds on the ISI engine, which is also utilized by AMS2 - this is where they might be similar, but there are so many things you can change that im sure you can hardly compare it in terms of that base. its "just" a physics framework you can start from so to say

@masprofx 8 ай бұрын

Looks like the AI needs to analyse some popometer data packs. 😅

@benjiesau1497 8 ай бұрын

Is there anyway for the AI to mimic lines from time trial ghosts?

@Super123ps 8 ай бұрын

Good idea. That and having them battle for position more and attempt overtakes on us. That would be cool.

@demiquadfpv3333 8 ай бұрын

With the TC how was it set with Off / Low / high setting?

@SimracingPopometer 8 ай бұрын

Not sure what you refer to? I did those 3 things in the video. TC off, 1 and 10

@MitjaBonca 8 ай бұрын

ACC is still a long way from being realistic! Cool representation, and great simulation from Automobilista game.

@SimracingPopometer 8 ай бұрын

I did not say that :D There are things both sims to right as there are things both sims do wrong - or different

@MitjaBonca 8 ай бұрын

@@SimracingPopometer in acc, we can all agree how are cars set up for being the fastest... completely unrealistic - which btw, is the most important aspect of the sim game. I found that out just now, when coming back to acc after 2 years break, by watching some YT videos, like Jardier's and few others. But it is what it is. This game looks way more real regarding setups and how all the systems work on each car, althought I didn't try it yet. You like it? Seems you do.

@perludierende_praesumtion 8 ай бұрын

@@MitjaBonca I wouldn’t agree. there is bashing for every sim out there. At least you have to try RF2, iracing, AMS2, AC and ACC and give every single one a fair chance of 20h+ and reasearch for perfect settings or mods to tell exectly which is your simulator to go. ACC has enough potential but is currently in a bad state mainly with trailbreaking, TC and suspension bouncing. Fixes from Kunos are taking forever. But you never know, it might have a come back in some months. Iracing, rf2 and ams2 are growing due to great work on updates in the last 2 years. LMU, AC2 and Rennsport will be the next options.

@fan2hd277 8 ай бұрын

@@perludierende_praesumtion well LMU is jsut RF2 rebranded to make money. Rennsport is designed for esport so setup wize it will be worth than ACC. AC2 well it is just an announcement yet.

@salgshaka4483 8 ай бұрын

I play both sims a lot but AC is by far the best especially on car behave realism aamd best FFB and AMS also has a lot of good classes besite ACC only has GT3 and GT4 which is still good but not better than AC

@alexschmidt3692 8 ай бұрын

I find that anything over 5x weather is FAR too fast for a realistic transition.... I wish the #x multiplier only affected the gaps between weather transitions and not the transitions themselves I.e. for example 60x weather is completely useless as you can only make it about 1 corner before slicks are ice

@SimracingPopometer 8 ай бұрын

was really just a compromise for the video to get into the situation at all. agree some more flexibility would come in handy

@WarmRed77 8 ай бұрын

@@SimracingPopometer Ich habe auch gleich gedacht, dass die Wetterbeschleunigung zu schnell eingestellt war, der nasse Gummi auf der Strecke wird so viel zu schnell weggewaschen um dass zu bemerken auf mehreren Runden.

@benjiesau1497 8 ай бұрын

I feel a similar problem with lockups and the tire wear multiplayer... If I make an uncommon mistake I get 10x the flatspot or whatever and my tires are done done instead of a navigable deficit. I want the regular wear vs mistake wear scale in a non linear way so that I am neither overly punished or encouraged to be risking a small lockup relative to the shorter stints.

@THIS---GUY 8 ай бұрын

How does the ai compare to ACC & RF2?

@SimracingPopometer 8 ай бұрын

idk really. rf2 has AI? acc I haven't really tried for the sake of it

@renangoncalvesflores 8 ай бұрын

Also, another thing I want to ask you: did you test the karts? Reiza hasn't really touched karts very much latelty, but they said that this improved physics of the tire tread would affect their behaviour for the better. I've never driven karts in my life. I dunno how they're supposed to behave. But the general opinion from experienced players in the official forum is that they are far from accurate in AMS2.

@SimracingPopometer 8 ай бұрын

they mentioned in the forum that they will also be worked on, but not yet i think

@rgaykin 8 ай бұрын

it was Sochi for Lando)

@SimracingPopometer 8 ай бұрын

ah yes.

@ezpz4659 8 ай бұрын

AMS2 is the best. Only game I actually play now is AMS2 in VR. It's the only gaming experience worth my time.

@Super123ps 8 ай бұрын

In relation to that A.I. Look at the position board on the left of the screen throughout the whole race . The A.I. never overtake each other. They never change position. They are on rails. It’s very unrealistic for a race.

@Username_Invalid 8 ай бұрын

My biggest complaint with AMS2 has always been that it is not very punishing and feels almost like there really is no fear of 'losing the car' if that makes sense. In RaceRoom for example I am legit scared missing my marks and un settling the car. AC the original is also good at driving at the limit but possibly un settling the car. Do you feel this update helps with that slightly? I legit feel RaceRoom and AC could train you for a real track day event where as AMS2 still feels like a 'game'.

@SimracingPopometer 8 ай бұрын

yes I agree, you never feel intimidated, it's always still catchable (for me that is, you can certainly be too blunt with the inputs especially out of slow turns). but at least it's not also fast completely overdoing it all the time

@gfoyle6571 8 ай бұрын

Also if you overdrive it too much and slide rear in corners lap after lap, the tires do heat up too much eventually and it increase the risk of spinning quite a lot.

@alpha007org 8 ай бұрын

My Steam is stuck at 1.5.0. (currently). I don't know why, but anyway. P1 Gen2 races are very immersive. Sure, AI has, on almost every track, "one corner" flaw / "one corner" advantage, but still, I think it's the best game for offline races. iRacing comes close and that's it. ACC is so bad at offline races, it's comical. If you look at the market objectively, you see that there is a very large playerbase for offline racing. ACC failed so bad it's not worth mentioning. I didn't try GT7 myself, but with Sophy, it seems, that is the only step forward in the last ~15 years. I wish we get a decent AI in every simracing title in the future. Why? If you're 40y+ old, with career and family, you have 30-60min at most every couple of days. If you're in this situation (like myself), you are not racing online (or not as primary sittings in the simrig). You want to set a race quickly, don't have to wait. You start, enjoy, and then close, all in a matter of one hour span. For "Us", there is no simracing title where we can do this. I hope AMS2 or some other solution can cater to "our" needs,....

@SimracingPopometer 8 ай бұрын

I got early access, so your steam should update soon! As for the little time thing: agree, some games just linger in between, some focus on online, but there indeed isn't a strong offline true sim. however, I recently dabbled with iracings AI and they certainly beat me in a credible way! probably because the game is more difficult in general

@alpha007org 8 ай бұрын

@@SimracingPopometer Hey Nils, what's your opinion which sim is the best for offline/AI?

@SimracingPopometer 8 ай бұрын

@@alpha007org I haven't tested that properly. iracing made a strong impression with the AIs actually driving the car in line with the physics at credible laptimes.

@YYesImCrazYY 8 ай бұрын

Feels like the game sound is a tad too loud I could barely hear you talk at times, but great video otherwise. Made me wanna check out the game myself again

@SimracingPopometer 8 ай бұрын

yeah I noticed too late :( have taken measures to avoid it in future though

@danielebrambilla2290 8 ай бұрын

I don't agree with the rubber tangent you go on there. You're right different tyres will feel different but in the end they're all made of rubber therefore they should behave like they're made of rubber. I don't have to tell you how a tyre works, you know it better than I do, so you'll know that one of the biggest issues with simracing games is that it never feels like you're actually sitting on a piece of rubber, sometimes it's a cinder block and sometimes it's jelly and that's factually wrong in all case scenarios. You ideally can tweak some of the parameters of the tyre but, as long as you can't feel like it's a strip of rubber around an air chamber, all these discussions are pretty much worth nothing, in my opinion. Ultimately in the sim it's not about "realism" as much as what you have to do to be competitive, and that usually means doing stuff that couldn't be farther from real life.

@SimracingPopometer 8 ай бұрын

in chemical terms the components the rubber is made of can massively differ and is a well kept secret for each manufacturer, carcass design massively differs, tire wall stiffness massively differs - it will result in different tire feel. some will feel more vague, some more crisp. if it was all so clear drivers in F1 wouldn't struggle going from one manufacturer to another or simply some making a soft work while others prefer a medium. how big of a difference I don't know, but this is certainly part of the key to understanding why different irl drivers confirm "realistic feel" for different sims, simply because they drive different cars and tires.

@pierluigivinci6777 8 ай бұрын

We see at 10:20 nothing is really changed, you still can manage the rear sliding with no iimpact on your lap times. Certainly less than before but it's always the same game

@SimracingPopometer 8 ай бұрын

the base will likely remain perceptible. gradual improvements aren't a bad thing even if I wish it was more crisp

@TreyMotes 8 ай бұрын

Why don't you complain a little bit, Pier.

@pierluigivinci6777 8 ай бұрын

@@SimracingPopometer yep, we had gradual improvements in last 3 years, but still the base looks weird. Never snappy as a race car shoudl be, way too progressive and that rear end perpetually sliding. Basically the driving is kind a slow motion, let's say relaxed. This is mostly noticeable in F1 cars, maybe it would worth a try with last patch

@Stefano.gazzetta 8 ай бұрын

did they fix the yellow flag?

@SimracingPopometer 8 ай бұрын

i havent checked, nor am i aware of the issue - is it a big problem?

@Stefano.gazzetta 8 ай бұрын

it does not work

@THIS---GUY 8 ай бұрын

Sophy 1.0 was an incredible ai opponent. The new 2.0 is substantially less talented but still ok. I havent experimented with all the vehicle types yet. The way it defended was incredible. Very agresssive but respectful ai. Shame you missed it.

@SimracingPopometer 8 ай бұрын

why did they make it worse?

@THIS---GUY 8 ай бұрын

@@SimracingPopometer I'm not sure maybe to be more accessible or for a large scale test. Pre release sophy ai beat the GT7 esports guys. the 1 on 1 during sophy 1.0 was very quick. Matika at digit gaming has a video from earlier this year and it was very close and required many restarts to beat I'll link 2 videos in another chat

@THIS---GUY 8 ай бұрын

@@SimracingPopometer kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jtmIaM2C2bvGZIU.htmlsi=3TngwhhwnQwpC6PS digit vs sophy kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fLqiqaV_0a2qk2w.htmlsi=-swuMYCAO8YI_MvH sophy vs esports drivers kzfaq.info/get/bejne/padzp8Rzvpuzc5c.htmlsi=4jaD8-9qu_bVUOct average player out pacing sophy 2.0 on hard

@SimracingPopometer 8 ай бұрын

@@THIS---GUY I was aware of the paper that came with Sophy, but why they would make it worse I don't get. at least give players the option to decide how fast it would be? anyway will watch your links once they're there :D

@THIS---GUY 8 ай бұрын

@@SimracingPopometer I posted them above - maybe in your channel spam folder

@bmwM3M5M6 8 ай бұрын

Come to iRacing man, even all Real Life drivers are there and Daniel Morad states that iRacing comes close to the real thing in most aspects. Offcourse no any sim is perfect.

@SimracingPopometer 8 ай бұрын

he has been debunked today :P

@RandyMagruder 8 ай бұрын

Wait what? Debunked? Tell me more!

@mintcocobrown 8 ай бұрын

F1 2022 CARS are horrible to drive post update.

@SimracingPopometer 8 ай бұрын

horrible in regards to what?

@GladiatorSims705 8 ай бұрын

That was a waste of time! Couldn't hear a word, because of the volume of the engine.

@SimracingPopometer 8 ай бұрын

I sadly noticed too late to start over and couldn't save it in audio editing. all future recordings have proper separated channels so I can control volume later. sorry!

@liamhaswell4040 8 ай бұрын

Stop being a Karen. Anyone with decent hearing could hear Nils adequately. Don't blame the audio on your degraded hearing ability.

@SimracingPopometer 8 ай бұрын

cant blame him for hearing badly either, can we? its easier to listen if the audio channels are properly adjusted. it bothered me too, but I couldn't start over again. rather have my content inclusive for everyone

@GladiatorSims705 8 ай бұрын

😁 I could hear it, but so could the whole neighbourhood @@liamhaswell4040

@MrBreakthompson 8 ай бұрын

Still looks and sounds like it drives like a rally game, smh. And still no weight transfer feel/punishment. But I'm sure they will get it right at some point! lol

@SimracingPopometer 8 ай бұрын

you might not see the weight transfer well cause I'm intuitively managing it with both steering and pedals. you definitely shouldn't throw it around aggressively, but punishment could still be harsher regardless

@MrBreakthompson 8 ай бұрын

@@SimracingPopometer Ah ok. that kinda explains it and is a good development I guess. Thanks for the response :)

@WhippyWhip2 8 ай бұрын

@@MrBreakthompson it's still slidey as hell on any car that isn't a high downforce car, this is not a game changing update like all this hype is trying to push

@f3rny_66 8 ай бұрын

can't wait in 3 years and 20 updates later:"now this is the best update ever in AMS2". Every update is "the update" for reiza, but every time I install the game is the same old stuff, the DTM BMW is still a bouncy castle, the road cars are still on 20 year old winter tires, the rain poodles still feel like passing a deep creek, but hey, as long as people that run gt3s like every other sim in the market are happy I guess

@SimracingPopometer 8 ай бұрын

doing a sim is a long time project. it continuously evolves and improves. iracing does so since 12 years. you can really blame someone for improving. knowledge only builds over time. but I agree with still the general ams2 feel of huge tires taking long time to load up and let go