BIG CHANGES! 2023 KTM 300 First Look XC/SX
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2 жыл бұрынFinally a KTM redesign! The 2023 300XC and SX just dropped and I’m so glad to see that they are ditching the TPI for the throttle body TBI design. However I’m not excited about the electronic power valve and lack of manual adjustability there. With the new frame, swing arm and shorter rear shock they dropped 2.65 lbs compared to last years TPI XC but they did introduce the dreaded plastic subframe! Also KTM dropped a gear and went to a 5 speed gear box for some reason? We won’t be seeing any of these big updates for the XCW model until 2024 unfortunately. What do you think of the new bike, will you switch to an XC this year to try out the new TBI?
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@TrailBoundco 2 жыл бұрын
What do you think of the new 2023 redesign? Will you switch to an XC this year to try out the new TBI motor?
@leec48s45 2 жыл бұрын
I just ordered a 23' 250XC. I have had 2 different 300XC's and race desert. looking forward to moving to the 250 after I lost 34lbs and wanted to downsize to a smaller race bike. Cant wait to get it.
@2smoking.and.4stroking 2 жыл бұрын
Will be keeping my 2018 300sx till I get to 1000hrs or I can't find parts (currently at 290). Carbed, balanced motor, 300sx kit, Kreft suspension, kickstarter, XC 6 speed ratio, A60 wheels, upgraded brakes - and I paid 8200 cash out the door new in 2018 - how things have changed! I wouldn't trade my bike for a new one - really. If someone stole my bike tomorrow - I would just build another 300sx off a 250xc non tpi 2018 bike. Hopefully the TBI bikes have more grunt than the TPI bikes. Rest in Peace TPI. Thanks for the video.
@sawtoothmoto710 2 жыл бұрын
5 speed was a huge mistake and deal breaker on this bike. TBI will be on 2024 bikes if KTM follows the way they roll down technology. I'd wait until 2024 for the XC-W.
@billypulsipher7313 2 жыл бұрын
No, hate having to mix fuel. Tpi for me.
@darrellbarry3402 2 жыл бұрын
@@2smoking.and.4stroking yep, i have an 18 300 xc which i have got to where i want, FMF fatty, Flexx bars, One light clutch, Tubliss, KYB SSS (luscious), head mod and Smart Carb 2, just cant justify the latest and greatest. Mine was 12350 out the door (AUD), pretty sure the latest will be much more than that.
@michaelahr1 2 жыл бұрын
TBI sounds fantastic and will probably be the best thing since sliced bread but with that said I have had no issues with either of my 2 TPI bikes and both have run great without any complaints. I also haven't tampered with either of my TPI bikes which could be why I have had no issues.
@Davido50 2 жыл бұрын
No, it's a good system an def improvement for 2-stroke development!
@cokecruzb 2 жыл бұрын
I have a 2021 Gas Gas 2T 300 TPI with 80 hrs and so far no problems at all! Great power, super efficient, and no issues.
@iguanatron 2 жыл бұрын
My dad, my brother, and I all have 2021 and 2022 tpi bikes. 80 hours, 60 hours, and 50 hours on them. None of us have had the first issue. I dont think tpi is bad at all.
@TrailBoundco 2 жыл бұрын
No I think they’re good bikes but I think the bottom end could be much better
@iguanatron 2 жыл бұрын
@@TrailBoundco I understand what you mean. I think its lacking in the hit department as well. There's a kicker though. The more linear the power, the easier it is to find traction. So really i think the lack of hit helps me track up slick rocks wayyy better. I went from a 19 tx300 (carb), to my 22 TE. I was immediately noticeably better in the creeks. Im from the North Ga mountains, and the rocks around here are slick as glass.
@TrailBoundco 2 жыл бұрын
@@iguanatron oh yeah if you’re riding slick it makes sense. My sherco seems great for slick but it doesn’t rain to much here so there’s a good amount of grip and kinda makes the bike feel boring
@iguanatron 2 жыл бұрын
@@TrailBoundco totally understandable. I thought about it not raining much there, that's why I shared my area. It rains multiple times a week here basically year round. Traction isn't easy to come by😂
@tommills9631 2 жыл бұрын
It’s not that the TPI (Transfer Port Injection) was/is bad...it works great and most every rider likes it...the change to TBI (Throttle Body Injection) was basically “forced upon” KTM due to the newest EURO 6 emissions regulations. Apparently, the TPI system was fine under the EURO 4 & 5 regulations, but the system released a bit more carbon/fuel from the exhaust port under the newer EURO 6 limits. KTM R&D in Austria knew this was coming and (to my understanding) began early design and prototype in order to meet the new standards and not affect production and sales in the EU.
@coleguello796 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely want to try one! Would definitely swap the air forks out for spring first thing.
@samtoshner8002 2 жыл бұрын
Really like the new tool free shock adjustments, TBI, and electronic power valve. With all of the aftermarket ECU options I'm sure there will be awesome tuning capabilities for the PV. If I were buying this bike for its primary purpose, XC racing, I wouldn't mind the 5 speed gearbox, plastic (or is it composite?) subframe, or air fork. But since I'm mostly a trail rider, I would personally wait for next year's XC-W. I'm a PDS fanboy and would prefer the XPLOR fork.
@onthethrottle7104 2 жыл бұрын
Love the channel - Carb guys with 2019 models talk about they have the last reliable bike. My TPI's have been amazing with no issues. My 2019 300 TPI has a kick starter - I've never used it. With 160 hours, not one problem - my carb bikes sit, I hate messing with jets, needles and mixing gas. To each his own, the TPI bikes are friggen amazingly reliable and run beautiful. . The TBI bikes might just be about cleaner emissions, not anything else. Keep the TPI and power valve adjustment.
@dracer35 2 жыл бұрын
i agree with you 100%
@gpaull2 2 жыл бұрын
2022 300 xcw. Melted down with less than 6 minutes on it. KTM couldn’t find anything wrong. KTM rebuilt it and reflashed the ecu. It lasted 20 hours before it melted down the 2nd time. KTM had trouble finding parts to rebuild it…which says a lot. It was sold and a carbed bike bought after that.
@Jake_Hamlin 2 жыл бұрын
They had problems with their cranks on the 125cc engines
@human1513 2 жыл бұрын
My 2022 300 XC TPI never ran properly from day 1. Within 7 hours it seized 2 times. Presently KTM is having the dealer install a new motor (not sure what that includes) plus a new oil injection pump. I should be getting it back this week. I hope. The 1st seizure KTM only replaced the pistion, cylinder and crankcase. But no part(s) that could have been the fault!! After the 1st seizure it seized the 2nd time within 0.2 hours !!! No one knows why it runs poorly nor why it seizes. It is 100% stock.
@carlatamanczyk3891 2 жыл бұрын
Carbed 2 strokes for me. To hell with TPI. TBI is old technology. Snowmobiles tried it back in 1990.
@aasberg 2 жыл бұрын
Wow thats unfortunate, Im rolling 120+ hours on my 2020 husky te 300i, with zero engine mods. Only converted to supermoto. Im revving the living shit out of it, Ive had zero problems with it. Im really pleased with TPI.
@jonathondavis170 2 жыл бұрын
My 2020 Husqvarna TE TPI was pretty good, but NOTHING beats my TM Racing EN300ES 2t (carb platform). This bike is the best bike ever owned besides my new 22 Honda 450! Love them both for their own applications...I'd love the 22 TM Racing carb model, but perfectly happy having a model a couple years old as it is still a way better bike than I am rider. :) Very exciting to see KTM always pushing into something new, just noticed my Husqvarna bike was a little finicky, when my TM Racing and Honda (and Yamaha before that) were all DIALED from the showroom floor. Not a bad bike though, and it was very fun...just as a bigger dude these aluminum frames feel better to me! Also I believe KTM overcharges for things that break more easily than these other machines...just have to many first hand accounts of my friend's machines breaking, and even my TPI would fry spark plugs like no tomorrow...and it's a myth about parts availability for TM's - I feel at the present moment it may be one of the better manufacturers to get parts from!
@duffyrides 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video man. Great overview! Thanks
@human1513 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Thanx. Footpeg inward = closer to the left / right, of the centre line of the bike. So they are narrower overall from each other. TBI = Throttle Body Injection. I hope it is still really a 6 speed. Looks like the left lower rad hose no longer rubs on the power valve area. No coolant temperature sensor in the cylinder head anymore! Must use that one in the rad hose you mentioned it now has. My 2022 KTM XC TPI seized 2 times in 7 hours. KTM is putting a brand new motor and oil pump in it now this week. The 1st time they only replaced the piston, cylinder and crankshaft. It then ran for 0.2 hours and seized again.
@onthethrottle7104 2 жыл бұрын
That's pretty much impossible. I can run a two cycle engine for quite a while without oil and it won't seize right away. I'm certainly not calling you a liar, but there must be some pretty dumb techs working on that bike.
@Erik-rp1hi 2 жыл бұрын
I have been working a lot these days but hope to get out and ride more. Been riding my old 05' 300exc but I do have my yet un-ridden 16' XC300 to get on the trails. Like you said, It was the last carb'd bike with oil forks, with kick start.
@dbl-BLeiby 2 жыл бұрын
Love the power valve on my 22 sherco. Map switch changes it a lot. My opinion
@ridersanonymous4756 2 жыл бұрын
So I just bought a 2022 TM 300FI this comes with the TBI injection system and electronic power valve. Love the bike, but the power valve does do some kind of cycle everytime it stalls so it sputters for the first 5 seconds after starting it from a stall out. The power delivery is unbelievable its like you are always in the power band you never have to wind it out to get into the beans of the power. Just my 2 cents
@kevindouglass5175 2 жыл бұрын
Foot pegs pivot point is in the frame. Not attached to the outside of the frame like all previous models.
@Jimmy_Watt 2 жыл бұрын
I have experienced zero issues with my TPI bike. I chose it over a carbed Beta specifically because I didn't want a hard hit. In the nasty stuff I ride, smoother is better for finding traction.
@db1988 2 жыл бұрын
From what I've seen of the new four strokes that are out they got rid of the foot Peg Mount and bracket that attached to the frame and it's actually incorporated into the frame so it moves the foot pegs inward
@robertmuir734 2 жыл бұрын
Ive gotten to check out a rockstar husky that has the grab handles under the seat (should be the same style) and the problem i see is that they slope up and out so if your gloves are wet they will likely slip out (there isnt any texture to it).
@joshyasek7526 2 жыл бұрын
5 speed would be a no go for me personally. I looked on their website and I think they updated it because it says 6 speed now👍🏼
@onthethrottle7104 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Josh! The 5 speed thing was literally keeping me up at night, lol. I love me 6 speed.
@Davido50 2 жыл бұрын
What's big deal. Your mostly in 2-4 anyhow. You ride fire rds?
@SkinnySkinch 2 жыл бұрын
Where do you ride in 6th gear? Fire roads? I'd much prefer longer gears where I only use 2nd and 3rd rather than constantly shifting between 2nd to 4th
@philip5798 Жыл бұрын
It’s a 6 speed, the 5 speed was a typo in the original media releases.
@madman432000 2 жыл бұрын
I'm interested, been wanting to get a dirt only bike, not a DS have a 500exc for that duty. These look really good to me. You can always cut off the shrouds if the pointy thing bothers you. Never liked the TPI idea.
@nolanlawsonn 2 жыл бұрын
Transfer Body injection? I think you mean Throttle Body Injection.
@gpaull2 2 жыл бұрын
Wonder if the electronic power valve will be adjusted with the mapping switch? Could make the mapping switch much more effective.
@TrailBoundco 2 жыл бұрын
Hmm I’m not sure. I bearly notice a difference on my sherco map switch
@dbl-BLeiby 2 жыл бұрын
I definitely feel a less power valve hit on map 2 on my sherco. 2022
@MichaelLee-vk9fy 2 жыл бұрын
Tm dirt bikes have had an electric power valve with a map switch for years. The electric power valve on the TMs is great, map 1 is more agressive from mid to high and map 2 is all low end to mid . It’s great for hill climbing . It will be interesting to see what ktm will have to compare to TMs 300 2 stroke
@Davido50 2 жыл бұрын
Where do you get a TM? Very cool Italian bikes for sure !
@stevefowler2112 2 жыл бұрын
I can still remember the smell of castor oil/fuel burning at my motocross races in the early 70's...pre mixing was our only option.
@WJamesBeoch 2 жыл бұрын
KTM updated their website this morning to a 6-speed transmission for the XC platform. THANK GOODNESS!!
@jeremypreston1593 2 жыл бұрын
U going to order one
@WJamesBeoch 2 жыл бұрын
@@jeremypreston1593 Put money down on one this morning at Pocatello Power Sports!
@CommieHunter7 2 жыл бұрын
Was your carb one counterbalanced? That can make it feel heavier.
@Briank-ef5iq Жыл бұрын
Picking up a 2022 250xc next weekend can’t wait! I been my 2015 250 xc long time !!
@jeffprzonek 2 жыл бұрын
Have high hopes for the tbi, really hoping the electric power valve is easier to clean and reset with a new piston.
@bmxcast00 2 жыл бұрын
Love all the info
@scottfast03 2 жыл бұрын
Great overview.
@chrisdouglas6119 Жыл бұрын
Should’ve been Throttle Body Injection from the start.. looking forward to this when it comes time to replace my carbed 300.
@MrJasonfromcanada Жыл бұрын
Agreed, snowmobiles have been using throttle body injection forever now and its a reliable system
@desert-timber-outdoors6577 2 жыл бұрын
Also at 10:04 the head on picture… the shroud on the right side looks lower than the left shroud? Could be the angle of the shot but that’s weird
@Smiling_mike 2 жыл бұрын
Nice & thinking the same- My sweet 2020 300 XC-W is for sale!
@andrewdickson7286 2 жыл бұрын
I think the subframe is aluminum on top too, it's just encased in plastic. The 2 aluminum sections (upper and lower) don't appear to be welded together though, it looks like it's just plastic at the rear holding it all together. probably not as bad as current husky design, but i think we'd all just prefer aluminum regardless of any weight penalty. They're claiming better flex too, and maybe that is a factor in MX/SX but it's certainly not in 1st gear creekbeds lol.
@TrailBoundco 2 жыл бұрын
Haha true! Looking forward to your torture test of the new plastic/aluminum sun frame
@justinw_tbss_dadvan9447 2 жыл бұрын
Just bought a 2023 xc-w 300 waiting to pick it up after it's assembled. It's a 6 speed and TPI. My understanding is the SX is 5 speed and has different rear sub frame as you shown. The XC-W dose not have all the negative you talked about unless you don't auto oil injection.
@snowgo5922 2 жыл бұрын
Great interview with the bike!
@craignicholson1788 2 жыл бұрын
So the plastic sub frame is a fail. I want linkage, steel sub frame and coil forks for my application. Lets hope the 23 Gas Gas ec 300has those three things, but we may have to wait another year for the upgrade. My 21 Gas Gas ec 300 has brilliant shrouds, rounded and tucked in so they don't catch in enduro conditions. I've had 2 TPi bikes (the first a 2018 KTM XCW 300), loved them both and never a days trouble once you put in an idle screw. I cured the thin bottom end power with mapping and a FMF Gnarly header and just learned to ride it differently. I have never had to kick start either TPi bike ever and battery hasn't ever failed. I've done 100's of hours on both bikes in extreme enduro conditions. Thee 5 speed reference has to be a typo, or maybe its just the XC? XCW must have a 6 speed tranny.
@enduro-parts-aus 2 жыл бұрын
well once you flip your bike over oil will go up to the top of the tank so it will be sucking air, i heard that you are meant to plug a dongle in after this happens to fix it not sure how true any of that is , but some of the wear on tpi cylinders id say it may be
@krp6147 2 жыл бұрын
WP do a spring kit for air forks I believe..!
@SeatTime 2 жыл бұрын
1 Down, 5 Up Baby!!!! Good info and enjoy #GettingSeattime!
@TS50ER 2 жыл бұрын
The lack of a kickstart is a kick in the nuts.
@onthethrottle7104 2 жыл бұрын
Trust me, you will never use the kick starter. I've not and I have one. Let's just say your bat or starter goes out, you can still push start the bike. I've not had to do that either, but it's not like you can't get the bike to start.
@EngineerK 2 жыл бұрын
I haven't actually used my kickstarter yet on my 2019 with 220 hours but that being said probably ready for a starter service.
@leecook3797 2 жыл бұрын
Have to give one a blast, have 300exc, looking forward to the concept
@bikevault2302 2 жыл бұрын
how long did he run it upside down for. I doubt it would do any damage in the time it takes to stop the engine
@davenawahine4428 2 жыл бұрын
You can do a spring conversion on the forks.
@db1988 2 жыл бұрын
Did he say transfer body injection I'm pretty sure it's throttle body injection
@mixalis6168 2 жыл бұрын
It works !!!!
@loganstegelmeier6013 2 жыл бұрын
I ride a 2017 YZ250X. I've ridden a bunch of KTM and Husky 300's. Also a Beta 300. I don't know if it's just me, but I don't understand all of the hype about the 300's. You mentioned that you used to be a die hard 250 guy. What changed for you? I definitely want to ride one of the new Sherco's and gas gas 300's. For the new KTM, the 5 speed throws me off and the plastic sub frame as well. Love your content man!
@r3motoworx272 2 жыл бұрын
It is a 6 speed. That was a typo. The map switch controls the power valve. Reason it is electronic. Remapping will change power characteristics if not satisfied with the 2 stock maps. New chassis is also anti squat for better suspension compliance.
@2smoking.and.4stroking 2 жыл бұрын
Bought my 250xc in 2018. It is now a 300sx (factory sx kit). 290hrs. Bought the carbed bike after I tested a tpi bike that felt totally gutless in 2018. I am happy to have skipped the whole tpi phase. Glad that is over. I'll be keeping my 2018 for a long time. 2023, no thank you.
@gordonstimmel4590 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed I will keep my 2019 ktm 250xc carb forever so happy it's paid for and the only thing is maybe some day it might become a 300 but for now it's mine forever and I'm really thankful for that .
@JS-ny8sn 2 жыл бұрын
I agree, I will not be letting my 2017 300xc go. I was never convinced about the TPI in the beginning but thought they would dial the in and they would get great, well now they are aborting it 🙄😂. So glad I didn’t get one yet. Maybe I will ride my carb bike till some crazy good electric bike (that won’t go bankrupt) comes to market. Again waiting for others to be the test subjects.
@Montana_Motorized 2 жыл бұрын
I like the move to TBI and premix. Hate the lack of a kicker, and the new shrouds. Not crazy about the electronic PV but I thought it worked well on my Sherco. I’m on an 18 250 XC-W carb and I’m honestly thinking of going getting a 250 SX. Not crazy about the Wide ratio. The SX has e start and it’s $1850 cheaper than the XC. If the XC does actually have a 5 speed the SX is an even better value.
@human1513 2 жыл бұрын
I have a buddy with a 2018 300 XC and swears he will never go to a fuel injected KTM. I could not believe how well his bike performed when I got to ride his carbed bike. Night and day different from my 2022 300 XC TPI (a crap bike from day one).
@RC.56 Жыл бұрын
How long can you go on a tank?? I hear it eats more fuel. Can you take long rides, or better to get 350xcf
@ralphboelen4807 2 жыл бұрын
Shit i was ahead to reborn my 350 2014, not so sure if that new version is so reliable ? Shall i go 2022 ...?
@petrolist_ 2 жыл бұрын
How many minutes did your friend run his bike upside down before it grenaded?
@knicklicht7945 2 жыл бұрын
Love the purple
@StarbreakerGenX 2 жыл бұрын
How soon do these bikes hit the showroom floor? Does anybody have confirmation of the six speed for the 250 and 300?
@husaislander4838 2 жыл бұрын
Staying with the carb Sherco for me
@keithsada1380 2 жыл бұрын
Glad I have a 2022 GasGas EX250. Got a good deal on it probably due to the so-called improvements of the 2023's. I also got an even better deal on the EX450F which I absolutely love. That thing pulls hills like nobody's business. I can barely hang on to it at wot. Running premix just seems like a step backwards to me. And the weight savings is a whole pint. As far as the map switch goes, if you hold down both buttons at the same time, I believe you get traction control. So I think it's worth it just for that if nothing else.
@neizpiez 2 жыл бұрын
As you mentioned, early release Ktm literature has been consistently wrong for 10+ years. Brochure for my 2013 250 xc also said 5 speed. A few years back, they published that the 450xcf had a six speed which it never has. They also list the new 250xcf and 350xcf as 5 speeds also. Fingers crossed they remain the same as last year.
@bartman376 Жыл бұрын
The website is up to date on the xc models 250 xc and 300 xc both have 6 speed transmissions. I ordered the 250 xc, I ride a 300 xc-w now and before that all I rode was motocross so I think ill like the 250 xc. just wanted to try something different.
@philipsmith6152 2 жыл бұрын
Pre-mix ?? I haven't done pre mix since the 80's ,what a backwards step, And a 5 speed box ?? No Way !! My 2020 TPI is an animal, clean as a whistle and never had a problem.
@prestonthomas9406 2 жыл бұрын
I have a 2019 300XCw TPI and have had no issues with the oil pump, although the starter failed in the first month (bummer). I did move the injectors with an Athena kit and all is well with that, improved response time and eliminating fear of cold start seizures. I also ride with 2 other guys most of the time and they ride (alas) 4 stroke bikes so not having to bring pre-mix on a ride is a plus to me, and them having the extra fuel. Totally satisfied with the pump and the injector move, knock on wood. Thanks for the update info.
@bikemancody2752 2 жыл бұрын
Still on my 17 300XCW I bought new. 259 hours. Still such a hard decision. I love PDS, I Love my EXPLOR forks, I don't run a headlight. Im holding out for a 24 300XCW. Hopefully is will be premix. But thats the big question. Will it be oil injection TBI??
@offroadtrailrider77 2 жыл бұрын
Website updated. Now it shows 6 speed on the 250 and 300 XC.
@mikhail5567 2 жыл бұрын
5 gears is deal braker for me. Plastic subframe is going to brake, but may be KTM will priced it reasonable as cheep plastic part ?.
@wowwipeout71 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting, so they (KTM AG) will be using the American market to test their TBI via the XC as the EXC would need to have oil injection to comply with Euro 5 and won't be released until 2024...might get a 2022 TM 300i rather than wait 2 years
@keith_hudson 2 жыл бұрын
That bike is beautiful!
@justindunafon8580 2 жыл бұрын
My opinion on 5 speeds is that I'd be ok with it, as long as it's a wide ratio 5 speed. My YZ250 with WR gears is very nice, it has a nice low first and a great travel speed with one less shift to make. Preferable to a close ratio 6 speed for me. If it's a close ratio 5 speed it'll be a disappointment.
@seanwahl1000 2 жыл бұрын
Sound like a nice bike but got hit with the ugly stick. The deal breaker for me is no ability to add a kick starter.
@bikevault2302 2 жыл бұрын
as a few said - no kick option is a deal breaker.
@motoxposse 2 жыл бұрын
What’s up with front fender looks like it has some kind of louvers on it
@mattklx 2 жыл бұрын
Looks like a great bike, but the plastic sub frame is a deal breaker for me.
@pkafka80 2 жыл бұрын
Might be time to switch back to the XC for me
@chrispederson4157 2 жыл бұрын
Wow your bikes are beat to crap. Have you tried a different compression head and ecu reflash to get more bottom end out of TPI bike? Worked great on mine. Good review
@TrailBoundco 2 жыл бұрын
yeah I ran the TSP medium, high and extra high on my gas gas. my pipes were always so dented that I would run the high to kind of make up for that haha
@adambatchelder4121 Жыл бұрын
I'll be waiting for the W to get the tbi as im not a fan of dragging rusted up linkage over rocks and logs. I'm bummed about no more option for kick start. The electronic power valve has the potential to make good power but we won't know how the computer will run it till we ride one. The lack of a oil pump is just plain good news for reliability and so I can continue to refill my saw from the tank full of mix.
@TrailBoundco Жыл бұрын
ive never had an issue with linkage on logs when you have the long skid plate that covers it. my friend got the 23 xc and the linkage looks more tucked up than previous linkage years.
@rockybeach8898 2 жыл бұрын
Tip is a good thing!
@looneyhoonsvietnam8911 Жыл бұрын
I’d say next model might end up with an app you can adjust the powervalve off ya phone….. could only hope 🤞
@TrailBoundco Жыл бұрын
thats what I'm hoping for! the maps are to far on the TBI I wasnt one in between
@desert-timber-outdoors6577 2 жыл бұрын
I didn’t think the frame held oil…. Just a tube that went through the frame for filling and the oil is held in a small oil reservoir under the fuel tank? That’s what my 2019 husky has.
@lorenmuhling3633 2 жыл бұрын
still the same as your husky. it hasn't changed in the newer models.
@prestonthomas9406 2 жыл бұрын
It’s a (6) speed and a typo on the site from what I understand.
@MrCannonls 2 жыл бұрын
A 5 speed is an absolute dealbreaker.
@justinw_tbss_dadvan9447 2 жыл бұрын
Good thing the XC-W is 6 speed then
@bogusfranz1503 2 жыл бұрын
Should be EZ to go carb if you want
@stuartflora3781 2 жыл бұрын
Just add a coober to my 300 xcw and ride it forever, tired of latest and greatest game. Bikes cost too much for average Joe in my opinion.
@Clark3406 2 жыл бұрын
Plastic subframe isn’t necessarily a deal breaker. But that being said. You will break it. I broke the subframe on my husky 450 at 10 hrs and still don’t really know how…
@Jacare1973 Жыл бұрын
Waiting for the 23 300xcw. Think the performance will be good. Really not excited about that plastic rad cap or the fuel tank design. It pulls fuel from the center of the tank & that’s not the lowest point. Not sure tipping the tank will get all the fuel either like you could do on the 21. Not excited about the electronic powevalve. Seems like an unnecessary complication. Learned to live without the kick lever on the 21 so will see. Overall excited for the xcw to come though.
@laz288 2 жыл бұрын
XC have 6 speed in 2023 so maybe its the same as the xcw. I have a TE300 with the plastic sub frame and no complaints. Looped many times busted many back fenders and I am pushing 260 lbs+ with all my gear and 3l camelpack/tools. No issues with the subframe. Its not really plastic but some composite material.
@onthethrottle7104 2 жыл бұрын
I have to agree with you on that. I know they've tested these things like crazy. If you look at Billy Bolt, he's riding a composite sub and there is no way any of us come close to riding as good or hard as that guy.
@greatlakespowerstrokefx4 Жыл бұрын
Te300 should be a carbon fiber subframe. Not polymer.
@Siskiyouoffroad Жыл бұрын
KTM website now shows 2023 XC as having a 6 speed. Thank God.
@erniepearce3562 2 жыл бұрын
I have a 2019 TM EN250 with an electronic power valve and it works really well. If KTM uses the same approach, I suspect it will be just as good. The 5 speed transmission has me questioning making the move to a KTM this year. If it's a pure motor-crosser transmission, that'll be a deal breaker for me. Everything else either looks good, or I can deal with on this new design.
@TrailBoundco 2 жыл бұрын
What do you like about the electronic power valave ?
@erniepearce3562 2 жыл бұрын
@@TrailBoundco With the TM, there's a gear position sensor that gives feedback to the ECU that allows the ECU to modulate the power valve differently for each gear through the rpm range - not just using engine rpms. The difference that I have noticed between this electronic power valve vs a standard mechanical is the power delivery is very smooth, yet never lacking - always optimum torque. Further more, if you find for some reason the delivery is too aggressive for the terrain you're riding, the map switch will not only change the engine timing, it will change how the power valve modulates as well. In other words, the map switch is somewhat comparable to putting your bike in rain mode and softening the power valve set point at the same time. I suspect this will be similar on the KTM's now, which is why we are now seeing a map switch supplied as standard. I haven't see anything about a gear position sensor though on the new KTM designs. Curious to know if that will be their approach as well. Now we have a 6 speed transmission, I might be on board with a new 300XC.
@dakotanewman4443 2 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure TM swapped over to a 6 speed for 2020 or 2021. I've been considering upgrading my 2019 300en to the 2022 for the 6 speed and other changes they made.
@smashedfootlefty4726 2 жыл бұрын
I like to see the new tech each year of new bikes. But sadly have to pass on the tech when I see the ticket price... Maybe when I hit the millionaire status... I'm happy riding my early 2000's bikes though, it allows me to have some extra $$$ to afford todays new fuel prices to get to the trail to ride. The no kick start an thinner cases tell me this bike is a no go when I hit the lottery... Also one should never buy the first year of something. Wait till they get the bugs worked out and buy the following year. Don't be an unpaid guinea pig :(. If one never rides these new bikes, they don't know what they're missing, and can stay happy riding their ancient steed... :)
@craigsteinman9807 2 жыл бұрын
Never rode a too..but it sounds like their soggy off the bottom ..
@jamesal0 2 жыл бұрын
The deal breaker is if the EXC spring forks are Explor single sided rebound/compress garbage like the last few years. Why would you buy a new bike and then have to spend $1500 on fixing the forks. TBI will be interesting to see if it can match a 36mm Keihin Carb for bottom end snap. Removing the oil injection is probably a good idea, but they could have optioned it maybe. Kickstart - dont care - Electric is more reliable anyway.
@jacobworld333 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely wait on a W
@chrisl3337 2 жыл бұрын
Wish they kept the oil tank
@hevechvy 2 жыл бұрын
It looks like your older KTM has a very thin seat. If so, where could I buy one of them. (short legs,. lol)
@hevechvy 2 жыл бұрын
btw, I have a 22 KTM 300 xc-w.
@sm.offroad 2 жыл бұрын
I’ll keep my 22’ TE 300.
@sandysmith7485 2 жыл бұрын
I'm going to give you a little shit about the foot peg comment. Move them in means, the frame is narrower than the older models where the foot pegs attach so the bike is skinny and goes through tight sections without getting hung up. Move them in doesn't mean up or forward. LOL. Plastic subframes and winter riding don't mix. Ride safe my 2 wheel friends.
@panic-revv85 2 жыл бұрын
Just put one on order.
@carlatamanczyk3891 2 жыл бұрын
6 speed to 5 speed is a step backwards. I prefer premix anyway. TBI isn't new technology. Snowmobiles used it back in 1990.
@user-ep6wd7ip7v 2 жыл бұрын
It’s efi not tpi It says directly on their site 300 ktm sx
@thisguyeddiex7136 2 жыл бұрын
I just got a 22 and I’m trading it in for a 23
@mrlemonadesandwich 2 жыл бұрын
In my humble opinion, the 2016 KTMs were the pinacle of EXCs. Everything after 2016 seems to get more complicated, less reliable, and lower quality. The 2016 250 EXC 2 stroke is still my dream bike.......no brand new KTMs in my future
@craignicholson1788 2 жыл бұрын
My 2016 300xcw was also my favorite bike from the carb era. Everything was just so sorted and bullet proof. My 21 Gas Gas EC 300 has become my favorite bike ever, just because it feels a bit more playful but is still able to handle extreme enduro conditions. I know it makes no sense because its really just a KTM/Husky parts bin special. But it just feels different in frame and motor somehow.
@mr.workhardplayhard6550 2 жыл бұрын
I'm still rocking my 2015 250 XC!! It's still solid as a rock.... just did a refresh and it runs like brand new still...ton of power and I know it top to bottom....while the new techy stuff is cool in its own right...it's not my style. I'm a simple kind of guy when it works well
@mrlemonadesandwich 2 жыл бұрын
@@mr.workhardplayhard6550 yep me too. 2 strokes are still popular because they are great fun and simple to maintain, but KTMs are moving away from being simple and cheap to maintain, and the bottom end power of TPI bikes still cant match the old fashioned carb
@mr.workhardplayhard6550 2 жыл бұрын
@@mrlemonadesandwich agreed.....im not crazy about the direction they are going in especially with the new sub frame deal and electronic power valve?! What the hell is that about.....THE ONLY thing I wish my 2015 had was the updated motor with counter balance to lower the vibration a little more....supposedly the 2016+ there was a good bit of difference there.
@timdonnelly8392 2 жыл бұрын
I'll stick with my 2016 one of the last best 2 smokers made in a long time!
@joeybuckingham7006 2 жыл бұрын
41.7 hours on my 2020 erzberg 300xcw and the oil pump stopped working smoked my cylinder/piston/rings and the fix was a new wiring harness, the dealer couldn’t find anything wrong in mine as in broken wires or cuts, etc.etc. But a brand new one and it’s working again and it wasn’t the pump my pump with 41.7hrs on it works just fine on my friends bike and I purchased a brand new pump and it still didn’t work. As much as I love this bike for the price tag they make us pay flukes like this should happen and not be covered. The dealer that fixed my bike was working with KTM directly to fix it as they were not sure on what it was and KTM is who eventually said “ just get a complete new harness and try that” WTF? If that’s the answer then it should be covered IMO now I’m out a couple grand because shit happened I guess 🤦🏼♂️
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