Big surprise, I took half the strings off this cheap Rickenbacker Copy AND IT STILL SUCKS!
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@davids2629 6 ай бұрын
At least it looks cool on the wall 5 feet away
@trev_mcnaughton 6 ай бұрын
I replace the nut immediately on all cheap guitars. It's too easy to just drop in a bone nut and groove it to the right depth. makes such a world of difference.
@jerrykuchera5467 6 ай бұрын
Maybe that's the answer?
@TheVirakahScale 6 ай бұрын
If you hate tuning 12-strings so much, and just make Steve do it. :P
@ALWTunes 6 ай бұрын
Seems like Harley Benton is still the way to go for a cheap 12-string. Though they have their own issues sometimes. Love the new pointer hand, hope it becomes a staple like the 2 princes jingle.
@franklloydwrong 6 ай бұрын
Nice playing Ryan! Very tasteful, love the introduction of the beat machine!
@paulc519 6 ай бұрын
I guarantee get a new nut for it an it will make a world of difference, i bought a lefthanded les paul 12 string kit an was the same issue,when i finally got the nut cut to the depth rightvon each string the difference was amazing!
@MrFlint51 6 ай бұрын
The problem with tuning 12-strings is intonation; the high and low strings in each pair need to be at different lengths. Think about it-the D (normal 4th) and E (normal 6th) are intonated at different lengths, and yet when you put that 4th as the octave 6th, the bridge saddle is the same for both. As a result they go out of tune when fretted. In fact looking at your guitar at 20:55 the saddles all seem to be at the same length. You can get Tunomatic style bridges with 12 saddles; either that or try filing the saddles to give two contact points.
@jamesbaynton1881 6 ай бұрын
Im still gonna get one. And if i can't make it play nice, I'll have just bought a great looking piece of Pop Art sculpture for a few hundred quid. Pretty cool.
@leopoldbluesky 6 ай бұрын
The Revelation RJT-60/12 is a nice Jazzmaster-inspired 12 string that can be had for not much money. Just make sure to ditch the trem because that thing was a waste of time on mine, forget keeping it in tune until you hard-tail it - then it sounds exactly like you'd want a 12-string electric to sound.
@davidkastin4240 6 ай бұрын
@leopoldbluesky Do you have a link or web info for Revelation guitars. I can't find it like I used to be able to. I have 1 very unique Revelation Jazzmaster, phenomenal guitar!
@gonzoengineering4894 6 ай бұрын
Cool looking stuff from that brand, no US distribution tho 😢
@davidkastin4240 6 ай бұрын
@@gonzoengineering4894 Oh that stinks. They used to have a website and I found mine on eBay in the U.S. maybe 6 yrs ago.The quality is very high, to me it feels like it's M.I.J. quality. Personally it feels triple what I paid 😈
@67goat 6 ай бұрын
There is also the Squier Paranormal Jazzmaster XII.
@leopoldbluesky 6 ай бұрын
@@67goat Yes, they look great as well. Edit: Just checked prices, they seem to be phenomenally good value, less than £390 in the UK right now in Lake Placid Blue - gorgeous!
@markhammer643 6 ай бұрын
I was visiting the home of a buddy who resides in suburban Nashville, has a well-paying job and is a decent guitar player and avid collector. His collection of vintage pieces is enviable. I spied a blond mid-60s Rickenbacker 12-string hanging on the wall, and just had to try it. I can't say that I've ever had a more disappointing experience with a guitar. I found it unplayable. Maybe Bill "spiderfingers" Ruppert could play it, but I found the neck barely wide enough for 6 strings, let alone 12. From what I understand, Rickenbacker widened the neck on subsequent years' models. For decades the Rickenbacker company vigorously pursued imitators, sending them cease-and-desist letters as soon as the knock-off became known. Unlike the decades of Fender and Gibson knockoffs that they both ignored, before GIbson decided to catch up by going after PRS for the Single Cut as some sort of Les Paul trademark infringement (which the court appropriately dismissed), Rickenbacker *defended* their trademark. And this guitar demonstrates why they did so: when you have a good product you're proud of, bad knockoffs erode confidence in the real thing.
@joellebrodeur1015 6 ай бұрын
Nothing beats the real deal hence why I worked my tail off to have two of them.
@HeelBJC 5 ай бұрын
Skill issue
@karmicselling4252 10 күн бұрын
Yep, skill issue. A lot of Rickenbacker 12 string guitars require you to improvise your fingering and playing style to get the best out of them. Patience and practice are great qualities to posses with Rickenbacker 12s that will reward you in spades.
@markhammer643 10 күн бұрын
@@karmicselling4252 Yes, but it still helps to have the "right" fingertip diameter.
@PedalChainsAddiction 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for all the effort! I’d be interested to see how you like the Harley Benton 12-string. It looks very Rick-ish & is quite affordable. I also adore Danelectro 12-strings; they’re Super musical, but twice the price of the HB.
@johnhuteson4779 6 ай бұрын
I’ve got two 12-string Rick Copy guitars. Yes they needed the strings lowered. However they play and sound great. If you don’t want yours I’ll take it !!! Send it to me. I’ll give it a good home. 😊
@karmicselling4252 10 күн бұрын
Thye might play and sound great. But they probably don't sound exactly like the real thing.
@ousley421 6 ай бұрын
How about a Q&A with your mannequin
@johndo9648 6 ай бұрын
Indeed... We need all the facts 😊
@ARWest-bp4yb 6 ай бұрын
I always take those bridge covers off! I know you'll eventually get that thing to play!🤣👍👍
@Wildmutationblu 6 ай бұрын
I love my Dean 12 string that I bought from Thomann a few years ago. It sounds amazing especially when I add a compressor to get that 60's jangle.
@karmicselling4252 10 күн бұрын
Some 12s have jangle, some 12s have chime. But only Rickenbackers can produce that unique sound that has oodles of both.
@RockStarOscarStern634 5 ай бұрын
You might also want to cut the nut slots a little lower. Generally a rickenbacker 12 string has the low octave strings strung before the high octave strings on the lowest 4 courses
@mykhedelic6471 6 ай бұрын
You could put only the skinny 6 on it (higher octave strings), that's a thing people do. I forget what it's called, seen a few channels do it so I actually bought a set to do it on one of my standard 6es. It sounds super sweet, try that.
@60CycleHumcast 6 ай бұрын
Nashville tuning
@mykhedelic6471 6 ай бұрын
@@60CycleHumcast Right, right. Maybe that could be a good use for it, make it stand out from your other guitars, like a baritone or the Bass VI but in reverse, your high guitar. Might sound like nails on a chalkboard with fuzz (y'know, but in a good way.)
@MarkWilliams-in9xi 6 ай бұрын
I have one of the 660 copies that I also pulled the octave strings off of. I’ve also replaced the pickups and all the plastics and put a vibrato on it because I will eventually get it to play well and I love the look of it. I think I’ll get a Digitech Mosaic pedal so I can get a 12 string sound with any of my guitars! How about trying that?
@karmicselling4252 10 күн бұрын
The Mosaic pedal will not give you the Rickenbacker 12 string sound. The main issue is that pedals give you perfectly harmonic tones. Rickenbacker 12 strings do not produce perfect harmonic tones due to imperfect intonation and the variations created by the way you finger chords and string pairs.
@djangle67 6 ай бұрын
Get the nut fixed add locking tuners for fast string changes and put on a set of pyramid or thomastik flatwounds and your tuning issues will most likely disappear.
@karmicselling4252 10 күн бұрын
Mmmmm ... Jangle AND Chime !!!!!! 20:14 ... It isn't a false stereo output. Nor is it a RIC-O-SOUND output. It is a DUAL MONO output. Dual Mono outputs were very common on early Rickenbacker 12 string guitars. It allowed you to feed the same signal to two different amplifiers simultaneously. So one amp could be used dry and the other with effects. Alternatively running dry signal to two amps provides the opportunity to increase power output, volume etc. And Dual Mono offers a bit of redundancy. If one jack fails, you can use the other one.
@onesource9527 6 ай бұрын
Check neck for warping. A twist will do weird things to tuning. I got the Fender 12-string Jazzmaster. No issues, but I prefer the the nut neck width a bit wider on a 12.
@alangreenway6695 6 ай бұрын
I bought a 2nd hand lefty Rickenbacker 330/12 from Maccari’s in Denmark Street in the mid 2000’s for £900. It had barely been played. I think they now go from £1600 to £2500 used. It’s a quirky guitar that only really does one thing but nothing else I own does that. And yes, it’s a pain to re-string.
@BIBSTERSrepairshop 6 ай бұрын
Maybe it’s time for another guitar case test using a bridge
@trukr817 6 ай бұрын
It has always been my understanding that the tuning on the real ones is finicky because of the short scale length. A well-cut nut and intonation should go a long way. I don't think (just opinion) that will ever be a good six string, I think twelve strings and a good nut and setup may make it at least usable, I don't have it, so I don't know, just a guess.
@robbielane9667 6 ай бұрын
I have one and its garbage. I got about 3 weeks of frustration before the whole neck came off. I glued it back in and now its just a wallhanger. It looks cool but thats all it has.
@SavageImprint 6 ай бұрын
I have a similar problem with my "Gibson" Baldwin "music education" sg. I've taken it to a luthier and have messed with it myself endlessly, the garbo factor defies all explanation and it refuses to stay in tune. One thing cool about your Rickenfaker is, I loved that gnarly trash can metal sound you got playing Link, if anything at the end of the day you could smash the thing in frustration and put the pickups on some other cheap guitar.
@joellebrodeur1015 6 ай бұрын
I wish you'd get a real Ric one day soon, but FWIW, that little stylo gadget made for a fun jam using your crippled chickenbacker running it through some crazy shit. The upside: no one will steal it. Since you asked, the pickups on the copy are close enough BUT very brittle sounding. It lacks some of the roundness of a typical Ric. It's trashy, messy. If you have use for some brash garage rock sound, it'll be fun for that. A cheap EQ pedal can balance it is out, boost and cut what you need on it. Compression maybe, but try EQ first.
@robertlathan4639 6 ай бұрын
Some strings sets that would not stay in tune try a restring first. A couple of people the glarry guitars had trouble until they restringed them! Love you all and have a blessed day!!
@60CycleHumcast 6 ай бұрын
It’s already been restringed with good strings.
@robertlathan4639 6 ай бұрын
Glarry II or 2 were loaded with wilckerson strings, tuners and 2 point bridges and it had a bone nut for 10 bucks more that stays in tune with the wilckerson strings. Love you all and have a blessed 😂day!!!😊
@RockStarOscarStern634 5 ай бұрын
You need a strap & maybe some Thomastik Flatwound 12 string strings would help
@skarloeyexpress4353 6 ай бұрын
I find people who hate cheap guitars disappointing, man try to fix it! and repairing a guitar is kinda part of the fun? it gives you a lovely connection with the guitar and it allows you to understand it's quirks when it comes to playing and conversely, learn your own quirks.
@niteshades_promise 6 ай бұрын
The dhgate ones seem like a way better deal. Or eBay. Just not AliExpress. Nope. Never.🍻
@MarkRigler 6 ай бұрын
That alabs delay is so good
@joellebrodeur1015 6 ай бұрын
The JHS oil can delay is damn good too. I have both the Alabs and this.
@morrinsville23 6 ай бұрын
I was just gonna say that sounds like a nut slot issue, its an easy fix
@OliverAmberg 6 ай бұрын
Pro tip: If you cut off the remaining 6 strings, you won't have any issues anymore. 💡👍
@joty676 6 ай бұрын
Did you check if the scale is right?
@WilliamHaisch 6 ай бұрын
That was my first thought, too. Like the manufacturer didn’t do the scale math correctly and the frets are not the right distance and will never hit the right notes. 😂
@oldcrackadated 6 ай бұрын
That beat thing is only $40 so why not , just got a Fender rumble LT25 for studio bass decide to play my Westcreek Racer through it man was it fun , you should feature one , a 20 lb effects pedal in one box 31 effects
@AL_KING777 6 ай бұрын
Sonic Smith of the MC5 had a Rick 12 converted to a 6.
@stratguy1784 6 ай бұрын
What's the gold amp to the right of the Princeton? Don't think I've seen that one on your vids before! Either that or you're in the way ;)
@mjdbruyn 6 ай бұрын
What, no Two Princetons again? Unsubbed.
@MarkRigler 6 ай бұрын
The power lights on
@mattcarnevali 6 ай бұрын
Unsubbed @everyone
@PHAEDRIDER 6 ай бұрын
dude, it seems useful. not in an in front kind of way, but in the back of a recording
@jogmas12 6 ай бұрын
It’s a chikenbacker
@nicolasm4771 6 ай бұрын
nut and bridge work should get it to perfect
@guitarfreak521 6 ай бұрын
I'm sorry to hear about the issues with your guitar there, Ryan.
@Corporations8MyBaby 6 ай бұрын
I'm thinking about getting one of the smaller body Fakenbackers for SLIDE
@VincentSebastianMusic 6 ай бұрын
I think you should see how many pieces it turns into if you smash it ;)
@Hakeemandthelock-pickers2342 6 ай бұрын
The loop screams for nas style rap part to be laid over it, this was fire
@muddymike10 6 ай бұрын
Fender Villager V3 acoustic/electric (Fishman pup & tuner) recommended...
@richszmal1653 6 ай бұрын
Time to make it a wall hanger.
@BlackHawk2029 6 ай бұрын
Ya know..... I've been watching your videos for a long time, and for some reason JUST subscribed..... Weird. Anyway, I love the afford-a-board series, and I have a suggestion for you. A whole lot of players are going headless/ampless these days, and it would be really cool to see your take on a headless/ampless afford-a-board.
@WilliamHaisch 6 ай бұрын
I will be sorely disappointed if this _“guitar”_ doesn’t end up in the 🔥 *fireplace* 🔥this upcoming holiday season! 😂
@pavil58yt 5 ай бұрын
I just watched the first video and now this one. The one thing I do notice is, and this my opinion, is that you are using so many pedals and effects that it's hard to tell what I'm hearing. Guitar? Pedals? Driving the poo out of the amp? Whether the guitar is really a bad product or not is hard to tell. It sort of seems like a little bias slipped into the evaluation.
@60CycleHumcast 5 ай бұрын
What you are hearing is a guitar that plays bad.
@leopoflexpostdigital 6 ай бұрын
You need a Burns Double Six Greenburst in your life my friend
@edryba4867 6 ай бұрын
At least my ‘63 Rickenbacker 360+12 IS A REAL ONE! And it plays in tune.
@60CycleHumcast 6 ай бұрын
ok
@joellebrodeur1015 6 ай бұрын
Your R tailpiece didn't explode yet? Seriously, that issue is with the later versions with garbage pot metals.
@Hakeemandthelock-pickers2342 6 ай бұрын
The sexiest guitar alive!
@masonjar9571 6 ай бұрын
Can you record the stylophone in garageband and how do you run it through pedals?
@60CycleHumcast 6 ай бұрын
Get a 3.5mm to 1/4” adaptor and you can run it into pedals.
@gloryxkid 6 ай бұрын
Sold me on that drum machine lol
@60CycleHumcast 6 ай бұрын
It’s super fun
@OutstandingBill1 6 ай бұрын
You should make it into an intonated 12-string!
@Loooosszeeerrrr123 6 ай бұрын
I tell you this !!this guitar has a special sound ❤!!tuning troubles aside!that sound its worthwhile!!
@rochat 6 ай бұрын
Some guy was selling this on marketplace for $500(cad).
@rainbowslushy223 12 күн бұрын
You should buy the 12 string jazz master
@karmicselling4252 10 күн бұрын
Great guitar ... but nothing like a Rickenbacker 12 string guitar.
@obentousama 6 ай бұрын
Ryan I feel like you'd enjoy the aesthetic of a Vox 12 string.
@60CycleHumcast 6 ай бұрын
I would
@obentousama 6 ай бұрын
@@60CycleHumcast Also it's 100% your fault I got into offset basses. I just ordered a Squier Jaguar.
@karmicselling4252 10 күн бұрын
It is oft said that the Vox Phantom XII through a Vox AC30 produces the sound closest to that of a Rickenbacker 12 string.
@AxeGaijin 6 ай бұрын
You can polish a turd, but your hand will get dirty.
@leopoldbluesky 6 ай бұрын
Nice jam with that Stylophone Ryan, even with the toan of that Chickenfaker!
@drummer4hire12 6 ай бұрын
Friday night freakout jam!
@L.J.W.98 6 ай бұрын
7:05 How about a Fender XII?
@karmicselling4252 10 күн бұрын
Great guitar ... but doesn't sound anything like a real Rickenbacker 12 string guitar.
@StevenHess 6 ай бұрын
That stylophone is interesting.
@dopplebear9755 6 ай бұрын
that beat was awesome
@terryking2217 6 ай бұрын
Smash the thing to smithereens at your next gig!
@andywood2504 6 ай бұрын
What’s the name of the song at 17:20 ?
@dustinfillmore5510 6 ай бұрын
Cissy Strut by the Meters
@andywood2504 6 ай бұрын
@@dustinfillmore5510 thank you.
@stweartstreetstringworks7011 6 ай бұрын
I enjoy the new beat-box.
@royalslim2024 6 ай бұрын
Oh oh love is coming to town
@rainbowslushy223 12 күн бұрын
Yeah the stylophone stole the show totally
@sassycat 6 ай бұрын
GIVE IT TO A WOODCHIPPER!
@SquizbarDeAlienOfficial 5 ай бұрын
If the problem is the frets make it a fretless 😂
@BluesboyJagCigarBoxGuitar 6 ай бұрын
Congrats! You finally called spade a spade. Good job. You're WAAAY to easy going on these hilariously nonfunctioning wastes of money.
@standingbadger 6 ай бұрын
Give it to Glenn. He‘ll fix it for you. Permanently.
@TheTwangKings 6 ай бұрын
Agree! Stick with reputable brands. Ain't nothing worser than Jay Turser (and other such junk)
@paulschauerman2052 6 ай бұрын
What about the Squier 12 String Jazzmaster?
@karmicselling4252 10 күн бұрын
Great guitar. But doesn't sound anything like a Rickenbacker 12 string.
@paulschauerman2052 10 күн бұрын
@@karmicselling4252 very true.
@cvanhetkaar96 6 ай бұрын
I think it’s a lapsteel in disguise.. a bad one, but still a lapsteel …
@-processdrone- 6 ай бұрын
I'll start with the very contentious statement. REAL Rickenbackers suck! You have to do a lot of work to get them to play, and it's still a fight after that. Good replica. The handful of real Rickenbackers I've played (and ran away from) have the same issues you've described, albeit to a slightly lower degree of horror. So a cheap fake being unplayable is no surprise at all. Then, when no one can hear me because they're too outraged by what I just said, I'll point out that this thing is not intonated, and because the adjustment for the low string of the pair appears to be the same adjuster as the one it's paired with, there is no way it will ever intonate for both strings in the pair unless you do some seriously complex mathematics with string gauges and tension matching, or just get lucky six times in a row.
@markspurgin8225 6 ай бұрын
???? How many % better is the West Creek ????
@RockStarOscarStern634 5 ай бұрын
Maybe a Harley Benton 12 would work better
@drno2141 6 ай бұрын
got one..the 381 model and i love it;; maybe you're not on rickenstyle guitars..oh i've changed the pickups
@candikrol 6 ай бұрын
It looks like your issue is you got a cheap knock off… and it needs a set up… you seem to be willing to do it with 6 strings… just pretend you are setting up two 6 strings… your issues are a 12 string takes twice as long to tune, and twice as long to set up :P i have a double neck (12 and 6 strings, so an 18 string) it took me ages to set it up, and after tuning I need a break before I play it… but it comes with the package, i don’t get why you are so angry at it lol enjoy your stuff, keep on wigglin’!
@maxmustardman298 6 ай бұрын
Nah man keep the thing if theres space😂 try to work out its kinks, I love fixing even the hopeless specimen
@timvanboening9432 6 ай бұрын
The Chibenbacker.
@stutty1400 6 ай бұрын
It's a wide cricket bat lol
@GrizzlyDave85 4 ай бұрын
9:36 I mean 😂
@Tuning_Spork 6 ай бұрын
Wanna sell it? With a little more work, it'll make a really nice wall ornament. 😀
@60CycleHumcast 6 ай бұрын
Are you local? its not worth the shipping.
@Tuning_Spork 6 ай бұрын
@@60CycleHumcast Nope, I'm in Connecticut. I think you're closer to Honolulu than to me. 🍍
@DMSProduktions 6 ай бұрын
Chickenbacker laaa! Ta ma de!!!
@worthmoremusic 6 ай бұрын
You get what you pay for...IF you're lucky !
@11000038 Ай бұрын
You should have read the description. It says Made in China. Put in straight into landfill.
@karmicselling4252 10 күн бұрын
Along with your MacBook, your iPhone, and a lot of other electronic devices you have in your house.
@markspurgin8225 6 ай бұрын
Give it to Phil see if he can fix test his skills
@jeremyallen2593 6 ай бұрын
Reverend Airwave 12 .... that is your 12 string solution .... have one .... its Awesome .... even sounds killer with the Fuzz IMP Creature pedal .... I named it The Dirty Dozen 🤘🏼
@karmicselling4252 10 күн бұрын
Great guitars ... but don't sound anything like a real Rickenbacker 12 string.
@Lomoholga2 6 ай бұрын
Friend has a 12-string Rickenbacher- it’s unplayable The neck is shockingly narrow and it’s impossible to fret chords properly.
@karmicselling4252 10 күн бұрын
Rickenbacker 12 string? Unplayable? George Harrison, Carl Wilson, Roger McGuinn, Pete Townsend, Tom Petty, Mike Campbell, Peter Buck, Johnny Marr, Dave Gregory. None of those guys seem to have a problem playing them.
@kevinbell7990 2 ай бұрын
dude - ligher strins
@joeyskar 6 ай бұрын
Smash it!
@jacobpittman1996 6 ай бұрын
I’ll give you $80.00 for the set-up if you give me $20 to take it off your hands. Vendor pays for shipping (you figure out who’s who).
@MajorUpgrade 6 ай бұрын
Rankenbonker
@raggedrascal5463 6 ай бұрын
To be fair, a bad;y cut nut is not exactly uncommon on a cheap guitar and even the odd expensive one. Any issues will be exagerated on a 12 string. Half an hour with a set of nut files could transform this guitar and save you from scrapping half a set of strings,
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