Why did the Peugeot 309 almost never happen?

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In 1984 PSA, the company that comprised Peugeot, Citroën and Talbot was in a bind. They’d just spent a couple of years designing a car that didn’t fit into their new line-up. Should they scrap it, launch it, or give it away to another car company? Just how did PSA get into the odd situation of developing a car they didn’t have a home for, and did it succeed, or did it flop?
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@volvo480
@volvo480 3 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: the bonnet release of the first series 309 was a Simca 1000 door handle.
@enrik9475
@enrik9475 3 жыл бұрын
Always felt like 309 is underrated compared to 205, 405 and other cool Peugeots of the day
@bigsmoke8571
@bigsmoke8571 3 жыл бұрын
Poo sniffer
@RayEttler
@RayEttler 3 жыл бұрын
always delighted to learn about underrated things on yt!
@bigsmoke8571
@bigsmoke8571 3 жыл бұрын
@@RayEttler itchy poo snack
@jannevaatainen
@jannevaatainen 3 жыл бұрын
Peugeot made some nice cars back in the day.
@enrik9475
@enrik9475 3 жыл бұрын
@@jannevaatainen Yeah, I am big fan of 05 and 06 Peugeots. 07 generation was let down for me but things seem to be coming back with current gen cars such as 208 and 508
@juststuff8742
@juststuff8742 3 жыл бұрын
PSA's styling was on point in the 80s
@david-iandawson
@david-iandawson 3 жыл бұрын
I think they've got it back again with their current cars ie 2008 etc. I know what ur saying tho
@KarlHamilton
@KarlHamilton 3 жыл бұрын
False
@juststuff8742
@juststuff8742 3 жыл бұрын
@@KarlHamilton ok, but it's just an opinion
@jasonyu6649
@jasonyu6649 3 жыл бұрын
@@david-iandawson I think you are right. 508/208/5008/3008/2008 do actually look very very good.
@david-iandawson
@david-iandawson 3 жыл бұрын
@@juststuff8742 haha. Karl Hamilton is stupid enough to think his opinion is legally binding like that of a court magistrate. If he wasn't stupid he would have may have considered posting "I think this is false" in my opinion. Still it brings entertainment to think he thinks coz he said this he's correct 😂😂😂
@nathanjoseph4284
@nathanjoseph4284 3 жыл бұрын
You know it's going to be a good day when there is a new Big Car story! :) Edit: Thanks for the likes! :)
@01782644468
@01782644468 3 жыл бұрын
Omg omg omg thank you so much for doing the 309 story!! An overlooked and under-rated car in my opinion! My 1992 diesel is still chugging along, barely run-in at 218,000 miles
@darrensmith6999
@darrensmith6999 3 жыл бұрын
I worked for a Peugeot Dealer in the early 90s and caught the tail end of the 309 before the 306 took over. As i remember they were very light and a bit tinny to be honest but they were galvanized and did not rust, we would regularly have the diesel models coming in for routine servicing with over 200,000 miles on the clock . Another great Video thank you (: Ps Have a great Christmas and New year!
@mudskipper0075
@mudskipper0075 3 жыл бұрын
Peugeot’s of this era generally didn’t rust ,never seen a rot box 205/309/405 even the 305 seemed pretty robust to tin worm....👍
3 жыл бұрын
@@mudskipper0075 I daily drive 1993 205 1.1 Winner edition (pretty rare) and its nearly rustless except few bubbles in boot.
@obelic71
@obelic71 3 жыл бұрын
106, 205, 309 they were all run mechanicly into the ground. They kept on going and ended at the scrapheap because they were wrecked or worn out till the last bolt but no due to rust.
@bjephcott1
@bjephcott1 3 жыл бұрын
That’s right, mine was petrol and expired at 144,000 but the non turbo diesels went on forever.
@charlesbridgford254
@charlesbridgford254 3 жыл бұрын
No rust on mine after 13 year's service. Very well galvanised and undersealed. Similar to my 106.
@kkp1023
@kkp1023 3 жыл бұрын
india got the 309 in 1996, first with the tu3 and then the tud5. it wouldve been quite successful but a ton of management issues led them to pull the plug in ‘98. lots of people even lost their booking money. ive got one and almost nobody knows what it is. truly an underappreciated car
@astrotechnique1
@astrotechnique1 Жыл бұрын
I lost the booking amount. Got a Honda later.
@scimatarpictures
@scimatarpictures 3 жыл бұрын
A video on Iranian cars would be cool! They have some interesting history
@reedtarted1932
@reedtarted1932 3 жыл бұрын
Yes
@CLUBIKLE
@CLUBIKLE 3 жыл бұрын
I was surprised in 1973 to see the taxis in Tehran were Hillman Hunters badged as Paykan.
@scimatarpictures
@scimatarpictures 3 жыл бұрын
@@CLUBIKLE i had no idea until watching this video! That’s super interesting
@Espakho
@Espakho 3 жыл бұрын
Iranian here, I was born in 80s, in my childhood days a middle class family had 2 choice when buying a car, Paykan(hillman hunter) and renault 5. We had the Renault and I loved that nice car. I remember that city streets were crowded by Paykans until late 90s.
@otm646
@otm646 3 жыл бұрын
@@Espakho What replaced them in the '90s?
@88GTi
@88GTi 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! Just pulled up on my drive in my 1990 White Peugeot 309 1.6 GLX...Sitting in it's ultra comfortable drivers seat watching this video with my phone on the steering wheel. I got the notification while driving...Couldn't wait to watch it 😍 Parked in front of me is my White 1990 309 1.3 Look, to the left of me is my Red 1992 205 1.9 GTI. They are all Awesome cars! I wouldn't have a new computer on wheels if it was given to me. This video has made my day! Thank You!
@GlamStacheessnostalgialounge
@GlamStacheessnostalgialounge 3 жыл бұрын
Glad to see you still have all of them. I think when you search up "Peugeot 309" there is so little content your cold starts are like the first or second result.
@88GTi
@88GTi 3 жыл бұрын
@@GlamStacheessnostalgialounge Thanks! They are all still great! They just don't seem to age. They do their job without any complaints...So much fun to drive! Life is too busy at the moment...But I will make a video when the world calms down a bit :)
@GlamStacheessnostalgialounge
@GlamStacheessnostalgialounge 3 жыл бұрын
@@88GTi I might make one on my own car eventually...if I ever get her fixed that is. Finding a 1.4 driveshaft is surprisingly difficult.
@88GTi
@88GTi 3 жыл бұрын
@@GlamStacheessnostalgialounge If you are looking for 309 TU 1.4 complete driveshafts and you are in the UK, there are new left and right for £26 each on eBay with free shipping. I would post a link, but KZfaq would probably block it. 1.4 TU's are stupidly fast! :)
@torresalex
@torresalex 3 жыл бұрын
Finally, a proper explanation as to how the 309 was a Peugeot but also was a Talbot and also perhaps a Simca. When the car came out in 1985, I always thought the rear lights looked like tri-colour toothpaste
@anthonyperkins7556
@anthonyperkins7556 3 жыл бұрын
PSA Groupe were going to make this car a Talbot Arizona, but canned the idea, because they already killed the marque before it was even thought of.
@nkt1
@nkt1 3 жыл бұрын
The original rear lights were hideous, although they didn't look so bad on the 505.
@simonwilliams2148
@simonwilliams2148 3 жыл бұрын
We had a 309 diesel (XUD of course)... Yes the interior was cheap and rattily, and was poverty spec without power steering, but it was by far the most reliable car we ever owned, and never left us at the side of the road. The corrosion resistance was also well ahead of it's time, and still ahead of fords to this day. Not a spot of rust anywhere. This was the golden age of diesels, and for PSA.
@joannaatkins822
@joannaatkins822 3 жыл бұрын
I loved my step dad's 309, and I've always wanted a 309 GTI
@watchmrcontent
@watchmrcontent 3 жыл бұрын
Aaaah, best company car I ever had - my metallic grey 309 GTI was nippier and more flighty than my colleague's Golf GTI of the same vintage (but did feel much more tinny!). The boss took it home one day for a service at his local garage, clearly scared himself on the drive and named it The Flying Rollerskate. It was so good, I bought myself another one after I left the job.
@autoeclectic8808
@autoeclectic8808 3 жыл бұрын
The runner in that Simca advert had balls of stainless steel on that shoot...
@CrashFrontier
@CrashFrontier 9 ай бұрын
I absolutely love your documentaries. The level of knowledge, the old ads, and above all, YOU, turn every video into the most comprehensible video about a certain car worldwide-ever. PLEASE continue with your videos. They are inspiring, nostalgic, and just something special for me and many, many others. Every time I come across one of your videos, I end up watching three more or revisiting old ones. :) Thank you for all your hard work. PS: My 93 year old grandmother still has a more or less fully functional Peugeot 106 in her garage. That thing sounds like a tractor and occasionally the exhaust falls off. lol
@AlfaGiuliaQV
@AlfaGiuliaQV 3 жыл бұрын
Whoever designed the taillights on the 309 deserves recognition, they really stood out from all other cars. Personally i think they look cool and weird at the same time.
@skylined5534
@skylined5534 3 жыл бұрын
Aye, both pre and post facelift too!
@baronvonjo1929
@baronvonjo1929 3 жыл бұрын
Here I am and I cant tell the difference between this and any other car from its era lol
@MrDuncl
@MrDuncl 9 ай бұрын
@@baronvonjo1929 Reminds me of the 1985 Honda Integra, Back then it was unusual for taillights and body to look as if they had been designed together rather than just slapped on as an afterthought.
@niklaswejedal463
@niklaswejedal463 3 жыл бұрын
Considering the close relation to the megahit 205, it is a bit weird that PSA did not try to sell the 309 as another version of the 205...
@rorymacve
@rorymacve 3 жыл бұрын
Superb video! :D I always liked the look of the 309, the front light clusters seemed to give the car a happy appearance, as well as the fact it was a nicely proportioned machine. :)
@BigCar2
@BigCar2 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ruairidh. BTW, how the heck do you say your name (or is it Rory)?
@profrumpo
@profrumpo 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting as always. My dad bought a Mk.1 version, poverty spec five door model with the 1.3 engine. The ride was superb in the old French way, leaned on corners but very compliant and comfortable. Whatever happened to that? It was a really good car, I don't recall any build or quality issues and the only thing that let it down was the rather wheezy underpowered engine.
@anthonyxuereb792
@anthonyxuereb792 3 жыл бұрын
I agree about the ride, my Talbot was the same.
@flori5548
@flori5548 3 жыл бұрын
My mom had a hot red 205 GT, later followed by a 306 XT when I was a child ... always loved them. The local gas station owner had a dark red 309 though and even as a kid I sensed it was not really a proper match for the lineup - oh memory lane! Thank you so much for your videos!
@chrisbardell
@chrisbardell 3 жыл бұрын
Ah, memories of my old D-reg 309GL. Cracking car until its old 1.3 blew the timing belt on the M1 going past Milton Keynes Parkway one Boxing Day many years ago. Engine destroyed. Huge shame, was really proud of that car. Very comfortable, looked great, and surprisingly quick even for the shopping trolley versions.
@RodneyMunch8767
@RodneyMunch8767 3 жыл бұрын
My 309 timing belt went on me as well on the M25. There was a crack sound, and the engine just died. I got a lot of strokey-chins from the mechanics but got it fixed (at great cost to me at that time) Despite this incident, I owned two 309s, and I always thought they were great cars.
@nigelglover3220
@nigelglover3220 3 жыл бұрын
The 1.3 didn't have a timing belt. It was a Simca derived engine from the 60s first used in the Simca 1000. Used a timing chain. That, and the tappets always going out of adjustment was why the engine was so rattley. Only the XU 1.6 & 1.9 had a belt.
@chrisbardell
@chrisbardell 3 жыл бұрын
@@nigelglover3220 Hi, perhaps incorrect terminology from the mechanic. Whatever it was, it was a big bang, complete loss of timing on the engine, likely valve/piston collision. Mechanic tried a rock test with it in gear and actually believed it had snapped the *crankshaft*. In that respect, failure my have been big end somewhere. Either way, major engine failure, couldn't afford to replace engine, got it towed home, and eventually was either towed away or stolen. Bah - sweet car.
@RodneyMunch8767
@RodneyMunch8767 3 жыл бұрын
@@chrisbardell Yea - Mine was a 1.6. I think it was the cambelt that went on mine but I used your terminology. But as you said, whatever went, it knocked out the timing with valves with the pistons and the whole engine was f*****d.
@mjl8115
@mjl8115 3 жыл бұрын
Nice, except the fact 1.3 engine used timing chain, not belt. Your memories are hazy. You probably meant 1.4 PSA engine.
@livingalpujarras
@livingalpujarras 3 жыл бұрын
I had one of these, the diesel engine was amazing, never had one problem with it.
@NLBassist
@NLBassist 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! I know Dutch leading car magazine Autovisie was always in love with the 309 GTI. And the doors-story is totally new. Can't unsee it anymore. How did I miss that?
@snauwaertfreddy5396
@snauwaertfreddy5396 3 жыл бұрын
I used to own one for a couple of years in the late 80,s , with the 1.9 Diesel engine ,was one the best cars i ever had .
@masoudhosseini9204
@masoudhosseini9204 3 жыл бұрын
Hello from Iran! 🖐 although we had interaction before but I wanted to say thank you for your awesome videos. Iran has a weird automotive industry and a tendency to keep cars in production for decades. Although we have cars called “national car” but they are not completely designed by Iranian firms. Well, there is a long history...
@augure2589
@augure2589 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it was a very great market for PSA. Bottom question: why arabe or whatever persian, never built there own cars? As civilisation you ”choose” camel
@Espakho
@Espakho 3 жыл бұрын
@@augure2589 Iranians speak persian and arab countries speak arabic, two different languages, simple. There are Iranian car brands here but their platforms are from foreign manufacturers. Examples are Samand, Dena, Shahin..
@stephenwolstenholme4451
@stephenwolstenholme4451 3 жыл бұрын
I owned a 309 gr 1.6 in red and rate it as one of the best cars i have ever owned. Never let me down in 50,000 miles with loads of adventures along the way. Currently driving a Porsche and owned many cool cars too but always fond memories of the 309 going flat out down my favourite back roads to lugging fridge freezers with the seats folded down.
@faramarzkarimi9845
@faramarzkarimi9845 3 жыл бұрын
i am from iran hunter was such affordable and loveable vehicle we called her PAYKAN which means arrow in english and it had alots of types but the best one was javanan
@fletch8d616
@fletch8d616 3 жыл бұрын
My Father had 2 English versions Hillman Hunter & Minx , I thought it was a lovely comfy car as a boy in the 80s ,even though was an old car by then , I'd Drive one now if there were any left!
@faramarzkarimi9845
@faramarzkarimi9845 3 жыл бұрын
@@fletch8d616 in tehran its price skyrocketed if you want a fully restored hunter deluxe which has manufactured in 70s or late 60s
@BanjoLuke1
@BanjoLuke1 3 жыл бұрын
Indeed.... These were everywhere on Iran. Paykan is one of the Farsi words for Arrow. The Hunter/Sceptre/Minx/Vogue ranges in question were known collectively as the Rootes Arrow, so the Paykan name makes perfect sense.
@frazzleface753
@frazzleface753 3 жыл бұрын
It was great to see the faith that Peugeot put in this car, despite it being something of a lame duck at the beginning. It really is a smart looking little 80s car, I think better looking than the Talbot Arizona proposal.
@willardr100
@willardr100 3 жыл бұрын
I have fond memories of my 1988 309 GTi which I owned in 1993 ish. Fast, brash, squeaky and fast fast. It was fast and no mistake. Handled like a dream and pre-ABS and traction control. Interior trim pieces would sometimes go on strike but.... oh, and the throttle stuck once, which was scary, but fixable.
@henrybalkwill3276
@henrybalkwill3276 3 жыл бұрын
The Peugeot 309 was our family car in the 90s. Good memories.
@nanianmichaels
@nanianmichaels 3 жыл бұрын
Same here. From there, we went on to the VW Passat (the one without a front grille), but I still remember the 309 distinctively.
@henrybalkwill3276
@henrybalkwill3276 3 жыл бұрын
We went on from the 309 to a Renault Megane. We got a call from the police about 3 months after we sold it to tell us that the car had been found burnt out after being used as a getaway car. Even though we weren’t the registered owners, they thought we should know just in case anything came our way. My mother was quite heartbroken as she really loved that car.
@thepurdychannel8866
@thepurdychannel8866 3 жыл бұрын
@@henrybalkwill3276 shame
@JesterEric
@JesterEric 3 жыл бұрын
We had two so my dad must have liked it. I do remember the first one having a rattling dashboard. Went to Volvo 440 after that
@thepurdychannel8866
@thepurdychannel8866 3 жыл бұрын
@@JesterEric my dads car has a rattling dashboard its fine when its warm it just happens when its cold i think a wire is against it
@davidsimons5944
@davidsimons5944 3 жыл бұрын
I thought the 309 was a pretty little car. I hired one once in November 1991 in Helensborough Scotland where my brother & I saw the Aurora borealis while at Loch Lomond. I really liked it.
@dr.eurobeat619
@dr.eurobeat619 3 жыл бұрын
I always thought that 309 was just a liftback version of the 205. Turns out its story's a bit more complicated.
@mindaugasgrigelionis3209
@mindaugasgrigelionis3209 3 жыл бұрын
Same here!
@Foxonian
@Foxonian 3 жыл бұрын
The Simca Horizon really did save Chrysler in more ways than one. Especially, since the K Car platform was derived from it.
@alban14
@alban14 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing inside documentary on car history your knowledge and expertise put some mainstream car shows to shame, thank you for your videos happy Christmas and New year, from Albania.
@BigCar2
@BigCar2 3 жыл бұрын
It's amazing what you can learn from Wikipedia...
@grahamnutt8958
@grahamnutt8958 3 жыл бұрын
Very well put together...... I came here for the documentary and stayed for the bloopers 😜. Keep the content coming 👍👍
@BigCar2
@BigCar2 3 жыл бұрын
No bloopers in the next video (I hope!).
@jimmer1976
@jimmer1976 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the vid 👍 I’ve got a phase 2 Gti sat In my garage, comes out to play when the weather is nice. Great cars.
@jjadragna
@jjadragna 3 жыл бұрын
Great video as always. Your knowledge and the archives you bring to the world are incredible !
@zeffedee
@zeffedee 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks mr Big Car! As a 309 owner, I could not wait for this video!
@its_me_rich_g305
@its_me_rich_g305 3 жыл бұрын
Recently found your channel and really enjoyed many hours of videos! Keep making them as they’re all very interesting, informative and enjoyable
@huwdavies6650
@huwdavies6650 3 жыл бұрын
My dad had a 1992 J reg GLD in Topaz Blue. Loved that car. Handled as if it was on rails, extremely comfortable ride and mechanically bomb proof. While the styling was out of line with other Peugeot cars of the era, it was a good looking car in its own right. The GTI actually has a better balanced chassis than the 205 GTI and that is saying something.
@davidbaty5526
@davidbaty5526 11 ай бұрын
I love this website. Always brilliantly researched, and fascinating for a car geek like me. 😊
@pete8398
@pete8398 3 жыл бұрын
My first ever car!!!! Sold it to my sister when I joined the army and the thing fell apart when she bought it 😂😂🤦🏻‍♂️
@StuffOffYouStuff
@StuffOffYouStuff Жыл бұрын
First time seeing your channel. A brilliant little video. Thanks!
@ingopaul67
@ingopaul67 3 жыл бұрын
As usual a great background story. I often thought the 309 looked a bit out of place in the line up, now I know why.
@johndoyle4723
@johndoyle4723 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, well researched as always. This car seemed to have a long and convoluted birth. Never driven one, but my company adopted later 405 turbo diesels, and these were very good.
@TotallyNotASpy1
@TotallyNotASpy1 2 жыл бұрын
I love how in every video you upload there's always something different on the shelf behind you
@BigCar2
@BigCar2 2 жыл бұрын
I have a LOT of Lego!
@jasonyoung9226
@jasonyoung9226 3 жыл бұрын
This is my absolute favourite KZfaq channel. Every video you do is so interesting and informative. As a Chrysler owner (2008 300c CRD) I would love to see a video on the history of the Chrysler 300c and its evolution. Thanks again for a great channel and keep up the good work ❤️👍👌
@BigCar2
@BigCar2 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jason, and thanks for the suggestion.
@harcovanhees394
@harcovanhees394 3 жыл бұрын
I had one 309 bought in 1997 or so. A light Blue one with plate SJ-43-YR, don’t think it’s among us anymore but I liked it a lot. 🙂
@DolleHengst
@DolleHengst 2 жыл бұрын
The RDW says the plate is unknown. So either exported or scrapped.
@deeiks12
@deeiks12 3 жыл бұрын
Fascinating. I always thought the 309 was a bit oddball looking, now i know why.
@turnercraig9953
@turnercraig9953 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video as always! Always loved the 309. So thank you so much for doing a video on it! Could you do a video on the Horizon and Alpine too please 🚘🚗🚙
@Britva83
@Britva83 3 жыл бұрын
You're brilliant, Big Car guy.
@hrvojebelobrk2528
@hrvojebelobrk2528 8 ай бұрын
Great video, my first car 1.1 L, 60 hp engine, LOOK equipment, some lenone green safty bealts. Loved that car.
@david-iandawson
@david-iandawson 3 жыл бұрын
I always get so excited when. I see these videos of cars which I grew up with! 🤩
@BEATNIKMACHINE
@BEATNIKMACHINE 3 жыл бұрын
Always an interesting and great video ! Thank you for your time and knowledge ! Have a fantastic Christmas and New Year sir. Best wishes from the tip of Africa, Cape Town !
@fugamundi5963
@fugamundi5963 3 жыл бұрын
Wow! I completely forgot about this model. My neighbors had one when I was a kid. It was their Rover from "Keeping up the appearances" :)
@josecosta2484
@josecosta2484 3 жыл бұрын
I was just out of nowhere searching for this car.... Well done as usual
@BigCar2
@BigCar2 3 жыл бұрын
I read your mind José!
@josecosta2484
@josecosta2484 3 жыл бұрын
@@BigCar2 thank you so much for it....... Merry Christmas
@josecosta2484
@josecosta2484 3 жыл бұрын
My mom had 1 of those
@unclebs4732
@unclebs4732 3 жыл бұрын
I always watch to the end, I have to see the out takes! Living in the U.S.A., we don't have many Euro cars other than the M-B, VW's and the like so it's nice to have some history on the other brands. Thanks for a job well done.
@elbecko7969
@elbecko7969 3 жыл бұрын
Though Columbo drove a Peugeot!!
@Hipas_Account
@Hipas_Account 3 жыл бұрын
@@elbecko7969 Peugeot left the states in 89 the last car sold there being the 405 of all cars, although most Pugs you might find in older American movies will be a 305 or a 505.
@elbecko7969
@elbecko7969 3 жыл бұрын
@@Hipas_Account I'm sure that when Peugeot left in 89, they made it back to France, the diesel ones at least. Those engines were bulletproof. Another few years and the flair would take a serious nosedive.
@marieaudreyduchamp8839
@marieaudreyduchamp8839 3 жыл бұрын
Fabulous ... excellent work as usual mate, well done
@phil8437
@phil8437 3 жыл бұрын
I had a 1.3 "style" version of the 309 back in the day. I really liked the car. It was very comfortable with soft compliant suspension. The engine was a bit underpowered, but was good enough for the day and reliable. Peugeot 205's and 309's also tended to be more resistant to rust. I really like your you tube channel it is both informative and very interesting. Thanks.
@caileanshields4545
@caileanshields4545 3 жыл бұрын
Used to see these all over the place; can't recall the last time I saw one 'in the wild'. Styling, while a bit of a outlier in Peugeot's range at the time for the reasons you outline, has aged rather well, I think. Another fine video, sir. :) Been a a great distraction while recovering from a pulled/torn back muscle since the 9th Dec. All the best for 2021!
@larryg3326
@larryg3326 3 жыл бұрын
Simca! I hadn't thought of that name in years. My older cousin had one in the early 60s. I don't remember much about it except that it was an unusually small car for that time here in the rural western US. Not sure how many they sold in the US but that was the only one I ever saw or heard about in our area. Thanks for another interesting and well done video.
@GenaF
@GenaF 3 жыл бұрын
I had a Peugeot 309GRi which was the 1990 facelift model. I gave it a few modifications inc a K&N induction kit. I had actually wanted a 309GTi but I wanted one with rear doors as I'd just had my second child. At the time I couldn't find what I wanted so got the GRi which had the same engine as the 1.6 205GTi and the same 'pepperpot' alloys. The 309 GRi was more of an executive spec than a sporty one. I absolutely loved the car and did a ridiculous amount of miles in it. After Afterwards I owned a 205 Junior, a 405 & a 406 estate which I loved too.
@markwaring374
@markwaring374 3 жыл бұрын
Another excellent video. Always thought the 309 didn’t fit in the range and now I know the story why :)
@vitorpassos309
@vitorpassos309 2 жыл бұрын
Nice to hear the story of my beloved 309 and this explains why the Talbot logo is everywhere on the car.
@dlamiss
@dlamiss 3 жыл бұрын
Love these docs take me back 30/40 years when i wanted every new car going... ended up with a renault 5 as my first car
@BigCar2
@BigCar2 3 жыл бұрын
I remember compiling lists of the cars I wanted, and could afford. I had an infatuation in a new Fiat 126 for a while.
@glmm2001
@glmm2001 3 жыл бұрын
A very good video, as always! I only had the opportunity to be driven in a 1993 309 and, at the time, it looked pretty good inside about a bit dated . This was an end of line limited edition with all the bells and whistles save for air conditioning, a must in Southern Spain. Many 309s were sold here, but they all disappeared in the 1990s/early 2000s. I haven’t seen one for years
@Da_StormtroopeR
@Da_StormtroopeR 7 ай бұрын
The 309 Best Line was my first car, I really can't say something bad about this car. Thanks for this very interesting video, some memories came back. 😊
@lakrids-pibe
@lakrids-pibe 3 жыл бұрын
07:15 Peak 80s. I got frosted tips just from listening to the synthesizer.
@qam2878
@qam2878 3 жыл бұрын
if your interested the track is called: Instant Crush by Corbyn Kites
@kaksikymmenta3
@kaksikymmenta3 3 жыл бұрын
My first car was a Talbot Horizon. I had to kick the dashboard if I wanted heater to turn on.
@Howlingd0g
@Howlingd0g 3 жыл бұрын
I love a car with character like that! You have to slap the dashboard on a certain spot in my Proton to make the rev counter work! (I'm hopefully going to fix that soon...)
@missionseven7972
@missionseven7972 3 жыл бұрын
Kickstart
@nlpnt
@nlpnt 3 жыл бұрын
Mine was a Dodge Omni, it didn't have that problem but it did once leave me stranded with vapor lock. I don't miss carburetors!
@aaronbryan5095
@aaronbryan5095 3 жыл бұрын
@@Howlingd0g which Proton are you driving right now?
@WelshyM
@WelshyM 3 жыл бұрын
Bought a 309 GTi in Dec 95 and it was in the family for 10 years.. A great little car, handled so well...
@dirtyandscratchd
@dirtyandscratchd 3 жыл бұрын
Ahhhh another Big Car upload, it is a good day! Also I love your pronunciation of the word Citroën, living in France I still struggle to deliver this word and follow your french based car vids as a language outil aussi 😎 Merci Monsieur Grosse Voiture!
@BigCar2
@BigCar2 3 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't take pointers from my pronunciations!
@tomcrookes5689
@tomcrookes5689 3 жыл бұрын
every time i watch one of your videos i geta shot of nostalgia and i quickly search the online auction sites for examples!
@BigCar2
@BigCar2 3 жыл бұрын
There have been times after I've made a video I've thought I might like to buy one!
@zzhughesd
@zzhughesd 3 жыл бұрын
Cheers. Where would we be without your help. I had no idea 309 linked to old Talbot Chys lers
@DwarFStrider
@DwarFStrider 3 жыл бұрын
Another great video! I would love to hear a story about Simca & Talbot by the way, those great European brands are often forgotten by the newest generations of car lovers. Keep up the good work man!
@fosterfuchs
@fosterfuchs 3 жыл бұрын
When I grew up in Germany, my dad bought Simcas, Talbots, and Peugeots over time, from the same dealership. I was too young to care about the reason for this. In 1986 I went to the United States and found out about the Chrysler bankruptcy. That's when the metaphorical lightbulb lit up.
@antwonefernandez7554
@antwonefernandez7554 3 жыл бұрын
I hadn’t noticed how small the doors were for the rest of the car...I can’t unsee that now.
@skylined5534
@skylined5534 3 жыл бұрын
To be fair I can't unsee it now either! Personal opinions and all that but I do think the 3 door model looked less obvious small door wise!
@nkt1
@nkt1 3 жыл бұрын
The Ford Fairlane is another example of this.
@whyyoulidl
@whyyoulidl 3 жыл бұрын
Boy I love this channel - Combing my general love and appreciation of cars from knee-high with the 'how things came to be' historics. back then, I hated the 309, but now, I'd happily trade my XR2 collection to bag a GTI. OK, maybe I'd keep the XR's and just add this as well!
@mik300z
@mik300z 3 жыл бұрын
I don't know why, but every time I see a big car notification I get little pleasure rush😊 keep doing what your doing , am saving this for tomorrow after work and I don't even like peugots ffs, you just have a gift for entertaining in a unique way😎 Thankyou
@BigCar2
@BigCar2 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much 😀
@jordannestorov6691
@jordannestorov6691 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing job with the research!Great video ! P.S. my neighbor had one of those , and it ran perfectly until he sold it in 2015
@jdogmgee
@jdogmgee 3 жыл бұрын
I've got a mint cherry red phase 2 309gti, I love the way it looks, it's 80s 3 box simplicity and pinstripe details. Superb visibility and airy cabin with tiny a pillars. Like to be revved and driven hard. On modern michelin tyres the handling is sublime and suspension compliant. I love thrashing it around b roads, and at 975kg it can surprise most bloated modern cars at the lights and round the twisties
@lucasborges1234
@lucasborges1234 3 жыл бұрын
Loved to know the story behind this car. I thought you would comment on the impacts on the current peugeot nomenclature. Amazing video as always!
@johnferguson4869
@johnferguson4869 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly, they stopped at x08, presumably to avoid re-using the 309 name. Though Wikipedia’s page on the 301 claims x01 is for emerging markets and x08 is for ‘traditional’ markets.
@gerrywatson261
@gerrywatson261 3 жыл бұрын
Love your channel! Keep up the good work! 😀😀
@obadafaraji9173
@obadafaraji9173 3 жыл бұрын
I like these french cars from this era especially PSA cars ... nice and informative video as always I would like a vauxhall carlton/omega video
@jamesengland7461
@jamesengland7461 3 жыл бұрын
Great video as always, enhanced by the bloopers at the end!
@BigCar2
@BigCar2 3 жыл бұрын
Somehow I enhance the videos by making mistakes!
@jamesengland7461
@jamesengland7461 3 жыл бұрын
@@BigCar2 perfectly so!
@ian_morg
@ian_morg 3 жыл бұрын
I had a 205 1.6 GTi and my best mate said I had to have a 1.9 and he found a 1991 309 GTi for sale so I sold mine to get that 😎👍🏼
@ian_morg
@ian_morg 3 жыл бұрын
I remember the first day I drove it, I treated it to a full tank of fuel but someone had unscrewed the fuel pump in the tank and left it like that so £20 worth ended up on the forecourt floor! Also it had a lack of power and a misfire so I had the Peugeot main dealer mechanics where I worked to look at it and they diagnosed it as a faulty mass air flow sensor at about £350. I couldn't afford a new one so went to a local tuning garage who laughed out loud (years before lol) and fixed it with a 20p o-ring that was missing from the inlet manifold. It also sometimes wouldn't start due to a problem with the immobilizer and many a time I had to bump start it, even 2 minutes after I'd sold it! I got it started again and got away from it as soon as possible!! Still a fab car though!
@fredericducomet.boquier7920
@fredericducomet.boquier7920 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much ! I would be so happy for a Simca story and mister Enrico Pigozzi ! May be one day ! 🙏
@kayzenl7911
@kayzenl7911 Жыл бұрын
My dad had a 309 GTI 1.9 GTI 5 doors MK2. That car deleted all the 205 problems, better chassis, not as oversteering as the 205 and more stable at high speed. Amazing machine !
@pizzalover3
@pizzalover3 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, very well researched as always 👍
@ekim000
@ekim000 3 жыл бұрын
Love the way the Talbot badge always reminds of the Dead Kennedys logo.
@duttontube
@duttontube 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, my first car was a 1987 309 SRi. I loved it, but the build quality issues made me remember some of my issues, like needing to carry a big hammer to engage the starter motor to get the car to start and regularly needing to use zip ties to hold the gear linkages in place! 🤣
@5amH45lam
@5amH45lam 3 жыл бұрын
My best mate had a Goodwood when we were coming up. It was stunning (for the time!). Fast, too (for the time!).
@costipredoiu
@costipredoiu 3 жыл бұрын
Another video with my favourite car,Peugeot! Thanks Big Car!
@timspencer4106
@timspencer4106 3 жыл бұрын
Drove one of the first diesels of these about a week before then went on official sale. Belonged to car leasing firm and they had to let me have it as my new Sierra was late. hated oil burners from that moment on.
@Rentta
@Rentta 3 жыл бұрын
Hey it's my first car :) It was relatively nice to drive but had such weird design decisions that maintenance was bitch and man those auto choke carbs were just pain in the ass.
@hristosavov3175
@hristosavov3175 3 жыл бұрын
Please make an episode for the Mercedes w124! We would really love it!
@skylined5534
@skylined5534 3 жыл бұрын
How the Chrysler Avenger ever did badly is beyond me. Good equipment levels, good engineering, willing engines, good chassis and all contained in a good looking package and it still struggled, madness! I also really liked the Tagora despite it tanking. My mum had a '77 Chrysler Alpine though and I remember she loved it after initially despising it as she preferred her old Morris Minor Traveller. The Alpine would do the do with aplomb until some mad old bat slammed into it at high speed in a tight country lane in her brand new MG Metro, bad times. The alpine was great though, a lovely place to sit! It made for a handy cross country mile muncher. As for the 309... I wanted a 1.9 GTi for the longest time! I missed that boat and any remaining cars are now light years ahead of my meagre budget! The GTi was a good looking car in either 3 or 5 door formats. Thanks for another excellent video! P.s. digging the Jeep build of the Lego Test Car behind you!
@beeswaaxx4264
@beeswaaxx4264 3 жыл бұрын
I owned a 309 SRi 4 door "E reg" in my youth and it was amazing , 20 years later its still one of the most fun cars ive ever driven even though you never knew if it was going to start up or not :)
@ChatterboxFM
@ChatterboxFM 3 жыл бұрын
On point as always dude! Love to see one on the Vauxhall/Opel Omega or Calibra when you find time!
@BigCar2
@BigCar2 3 жыл бұрын
I'm sure I'll get to one of them at some point
@sjoormen1
@sjoormen1 3 жыл бұрын
Another well presented story.
@simongensheimer9564
@simongensheimer9564 3 жыл бұрын
thank you for this video. I still got mine (309graffic). thanks for so much awesome content :)
@ChosenHandle117
@ChosenHandle117 10 ай бұрын
At Mercury Comms, I had a white facelift 309GTI 3-door.... utterly superb to drive. Luckily I never discovered what crash survivability was! D309RGN, loved you x
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