this is why i love fallout, thank you for the content.

sipping on caffiene and whey protein garbage while playing games lmao, kids sure do know their priorities

i honestly wish this quest wasn't some forgotten quest to the rest of the game, like here we have an alien artifact and that is influencing a man he's immortal and has had this artifact on his head for hundreds of years, why with all the institutes resources didn't they take notice of Jack Cabot, like the story is so damn isolated, it's almost as if they don't exist in the world except within this quest, then you can also get that alien weapon Jack gives you which is a diffrent artifact alien gun from the little green aliens that crash land, like they are both isolated stories with little to nothing to draw off of, one would assume they were connected or something. i was honestly disappointed in this quest, i hoped they would have taken Lorenzo's quest further, like make him having the children of Atom worship him, because in their eyes he would have been considered one of the chosen of Atom, but no the quest is super lame and you only get that short story with that short outcome that is treated isolated from all other quests in the game, like there is no mystery to it, everything is just too well explained and not extended in anyway like you have would thought. like i honestly hope someone uses that eleven labs tts program to write a quest involving Lorenzo after you side with him, wouldn't it be so cool if he became someone in the major quest plotline down the line in the story? then since you sided with him, perhaps you can use him as a follower and he has added dialogue though other cutscenes through other quests in the game like any other NPC follower, and when you reach his top affinity threshold you get some perk from him, it's just he's treated as this endless source of his serum, but it doesn't really elude to anything in the end, it's just like a nothing quest. the outcome to the quest feels like wasted potential, like so many other quests do in this game.

Lorenzo should hook up with Mama Murphy: have you ever really looked at her earrings?

Bro your name is big Dan you ain’t going to the gym ever if you got to this point.

But were they feral or not?

@@Nagatem It's been awhile since I've done the encounter but I think he openly admits to killing them to study their "radiation syndrome." I also believe they have regular wastelander clothing which suggests they were non-feral. Lorenzo is a full blown psychopath. His family are probably all sociopaths but we don't have any information on them being serial killers like Lorenzo.

To play the devils advocate for a second... Some of the greatest medical breakthroughs in human history were made by people operating in super shady, or downright nasty ways. Experiments on prisoners, conquered peoples, etc. Now the overwhelming majority of people would never conduct such morally dark research/experiments etc. But the vast majority of people alive today have or do benefit from them. When we find out a medical breakthrough came of the back of morally wrong activities we generally don't throw that knowledge away and refuse to use it. We condemn it as wrong, but "hey, we ain't throwing away that cure" It's an interesting thought experiment... If you knew Lorenzo doing bad stuff, killing maybe, 20, 30, 40, innocent ghouls. Would result in finding the cure for going feral, thus saving many thousands of other ghouls from that horrible fate... Would you look the other way? Or is the moral cost too high?

I mean.....that's not the worst thing ever lol, especially compared to the player character who has probably killed literally hundreds of human enemies by that point (raiders, Children of Atom, ghouls etc)

@@BadgerOff32 A character killing in self defense is not remotely the same as a character killing random folks in cold blood.

AND burn the house down!

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That's what convinced me to side with Jack. He cared about the wellbeing of his father and only consumed the blood serum so he could continue living and researching a way to cure Lorenzo. Immortality be damned, man just wanted his dad back.

to bad the story was so damn isolated, like i mean there were opportunities all around the place for other possible story based connections. like the fact of the institute who's been spying on everyone have eyes and ears everywhere and yet, they know next to nothing about Cabot house? like it makes no sense to me that they wouldn't know something or possibly send someone there to extract knowledge of what's going on. i mean i suppose if the soul survivor as in you are really a synth and doesn't know it, it's possible you are the infiltration unit of the institute stealthily obtaining the information, but it's never brought up to the institute in any way possible, not even the serum you obtain comes to question with some kind of quest to research this stuff, it's just so damn isolated that it boggles the mind why bethesda left the story so damn isolated, like if you play the institute quest you learn they tend to snatch people from the commonwealth for all kinds of reasons, like that one guy who ended up giving the institute nuclear power for the institute, that guy they were spying on and even sending him secret material to test him to see his skills to see if he was a fit in the institute, like why not offer that same thing to the Cabot house with Jack, the guy is very open about his theories so much so that he allows the first stranger that Edward deagan hires to know about his father's theories on the alien civilization speech and his findings. like there is so much loss in potential story telling with these stories that would match up if given the chance, but it never happens, just like the crashed UFO site and the green alien quest, it exists so the player can get the gun, but there is no story that furthers on this idea of the aliens or any research option into them in any way, not even the Cabot quest has any relation to the green alien quest, like you can't even present the green alien gun to Jack and have him investigate it, like the gun is supposedly a Zeta gun artifact like the gun he has, but it appears more advanced than the one he uses that is called Zeta gun, or is it 2 diffrent alien species, we simply don't know these details, it's never brought up in any way.

the outcome of the Cabot quest is also lackluster as well, like you are given the choice to kill everyone or kill Lorenzo or kill mostly everyone except Lorenzo, it's all very lacking. i mean arguably you are a better person if you choose to kill Lorenzo, but Lorenzo offers something far more worth your effort, the artifact gun is super lame and i prefer my bullets or plasma rifles over that any day as i consider that gun more trash than anything worthy of using in any way. i would have loved if they extended Lorenz's quest in some way, like maybe instead of finding him kill some random NPC's just to observe his insanity. instead he ends up running the children of Atom and they worship him as their savior and he becomes this massive enemy to fight up against near the end game within the glowing sea. something like that would have offered far more value to the story instead of the very lacking story ending that we got in the vanilla game. like idk if bethesda planned to make it a bigger quest or not, maybe they did have a extended planned quest, but they ran out of time and didn't expand the quest in any meaningful way, so we ended up with this very lackluster quest. going on my idea of what i just added to a possible quest, let's say it's based on your choices in far harbor, and it causes Lorenzo to take notice that it was you who destroyed them or perhaps he knows that you did something to cause the children of Atom leader in far harbor to stray away from the path of division, so that starts a quest of the growing movement of the children showing up in the commonwealth attacking your settlements and that leads to an all out war with the children of Atom up against Lorenzo in a massive fight in the glowing sea. so which ever faction you chose to be the leader institute, brotherhood of steel, railroad, minutemen, can go up against him and his army with you and your allied factions to destroy them. just think about something as cool as of an idea as this as a ending result to allowing Lorenzo to live, wouldn't this have been so much better than what we got?

@@user-tp5yb4hr4w i don't know for a fact, but it's my understanding that one of the writers was a lovecraft fan and he just copied amd pasted Lovecraft stories into the game, but not the main story line. This includes the Cabot house and the Dunwich Borers

@@user-tp5yb4hr4w The gun is good for lowering settlement cap.

Another settlement needs your help!

No one is innocent in the wasteland.

@@Bra55Monkey Then what crime were they guilty of?

@@jazzyjswiftwe born in sin we die in sin.

@@TotallyNotKanyeokay that’s a bs non answer. Take your high and mighty morals elsewhere

Exactly. Dan glossed over Lorenzo's post-release killing like it doesn't occur. Allowing Lorenzo to go free is a detriment to the Commonwealth. IRL we imprison people harmful to society for life and even sometimes get benefit from them in the form of free labor. This situation is no different from our own reality. And we have no solid evidence that Jack hasn't been trying to cure his father. It could be that he seems less enthused because he's already tried everything he can imagine and has found it to be a fruitless endeavor.

​@@kevindavis5966 as is the lone wanderer isnt a mass murdering war criminal lol. let him go ham on raiders.

@@kevindavis5966 The problem I have is that there is no evidence that Lorenzo killed the people in the random encounter. It easily could have been self-defense even if he did. You find him examining the bodies of some dead ghouls. He has a curiosity about their biology. It's kind of reasonable for him to want to kill his family, they kept him locked up for four hundred years. There is no direct evidence that the random encounter was either not him just having found the bodies of the ghouls or that the ghouls didn't attack him first. Even if we gasp, clutch are pearls and come to the conclusion that he is *insane*, how does that make him any worse than every single raider in the game? So, he never attacks any of your settlements or trade hubs like Diamond City, he sometimes kills ghouls, but not the ones you know are not feral and you can't prove the ones he does attack weren't feral, maybe he kills a few raiders and super mutants along the way, but the thing people are claiming is that he is doing it because his psychotic like if he somehow wasn't psychotic we would all be telling him, "welcome we have a bed and some food for you right over here."

​@@darrekworkman5595 I remember that I released him. I mean, even if he killed people in the past, which is the reason he's supposed to be in this cage, this does not give any legitime reason to Jack and the whole Cabot family to exploit him. I agree with you.

@@darrekworkman5595 No, it could not have been self-defence. Lorenzo is essentially invulnerable to normal weapons, so unless the people he kills happened to be toting around a massive zeta wave emitter, they couldn't harm him. So that's utter nonsense. "How does that make him any worse than every single raider in the game" - I kill raiders too. What's your point? The very best you can come up with is "we don't know". So our options by your standards are "maybe kill one innocent man" or "maybe set an immortal, unstoppable psychotic mass murderer loose". Are you seriously telling me that option 2 is the best choice???

Romance curie then only you need the serum btw the serum apparently cures the virus you get from the mole rats in the vault

You have to bring lorenzo in your travel tho since He's your source for the serum. Now your synth son have a grandpa! Yay!

@@muhammadjoshua7464 (waits on the side as gampie murders some settlers to "see how they work") shaun can take notes for him!

Best ending.

​@@FriggazeeThankfully the Institute ending isn't canon.

I've sided with the institute at least twice.

@@hermos3602there is no canon ending

@@supahgaming8249 Not true. The TV series makes it clear that there is a canon ending - either the Brotherhood or Minuteman ending is canon (we don’t know which). These two endings are the only possible way for the Prydwen to be still in operation 9 years later (despite earlier comments that it was a different airship - eagle eyed viewers confirmed you can see Prydwen written on the side of it in at least one scene). Why it relocated to the West Coast is unknown. But only those 2 endings allow it to survive. Both the Institute and Railroad endings cause it to go down in flames. Now, tbf - that doesn’t mean Elder Maxon is still alive. Only that the Prydwen survives FO4.

This is true but he will also refuse to give you anymore after that

There’s a bunch you can grab free at the Asylum. Siding with Lorenzo isn’t necessary.

I wonder could Lorenzo’s serum cure the boy from vault 81?

@@ErosXCaos I didnt knew that

no, and it can't be used to cure Shaun ​@@dragonoidx

i was about to comment this as well. Lorenzo's artifact gun is probably most OP non-legendary gun in the game. Might not deal most dmg per second, but because of the stagger it doesn't really have to be. You are still having pistol that acts as missile launcher and you can shoot again before enemies are able to fight again. Charging it fully also deals good amount of dmg, works like stun grande and blows up limbs after couple of shots. Only issue I have with it is that AoE can caught you off guard and kill you if you shoot something that is too close

@oappi4686 yea I've died a couple suicides from it. It makes mirelurk queens, behemoths and death claws a breeze

Yeah I feel like Big Dan hasn’t seen that gun fully kitted out and in action.

@@jeffreysort7219it folds.

Explosive combat shotgun scales from demo expert and rifleman.

@@darrickfoster8694 Indeed, if you have a weapon that pulls from multiple perks, all the better. Using a weapon like Spray and Pray while having invested in Commando and Explosives would be even better. More rounds, more boom. Add Bloody Mess for a damage increase for all weapons as well, and it will get ridiculous.

i liked it too, but i felt like it had so much wasted potential, like wouldn't it be cool to show him your other alien artifact and have them both researched to be an even better weapon or maybe the part when you side with Lorenzo he has more of a quest. i just felt so disappointed, i would go into this more, but i have to go to work.

@@user-tp5yb4hr4w Yeah I always felt you could've had Lorenzo join the Institite or something. To further his scientific research with like minded folk or something.

@@rmeddy Jack was the scientist, but Lorenzo would prove to make a very interesting subject to the institute for sure. it would have been cool if the whole Cabot quest had better consequences involved in them. just picture 3 separate alternate endings, one where you side with Jack and if and you are still with the institute it could potentially involve a quest for the Artifact that involved Lorenzo's crown. then alternate quest 2, could be that you sided with Lorenzo, but instead of him getting involved with the institute he travels to the glowing sea and the children of Atom end up worshiping him and it starts a huge quest to take him down with his vast armies of the children of Atom, perhaps the quest could still involve the institute in some way, maybe you just have to take the research that Jack collected through out the years and that Zeta gun and they can figure out how to use that as a form of attack. then the 3rd alternate ending, where you don't kill jack or Lorenzo and get a more peaceful solution, that could also involve the institute. as a side note, it would be cool to have it involve which ever faction you kept as your allies to branch other possible quests, just like they did with the whole dima far harbor ending quest but a lot more involved, where you could side with the railroad or the institute or even the brotherhood to eliminate the synths.

This is not true Dan you legit look like you may have only loss ten pounds at the most. Very unnoticeable

Someone else please confirm/deny this, but I saw somewhere you can get this gun anyway. It’s on the table (I think the lab table?) in the Cabot house. It even respawns infinitely except on Survival. Idk if this is true or not though

@@derekmann8239 I'm pretty sure that's the Zeta gun you're talking about, it is much weaker than Lorenzo's artifact gun and doesn't have the same effect.

@@derekmann8239 do the mission. The gun you're talking about is the zeta gun that fires red gamma radiation instead of green and only does 10 damage.

So does a kneecapper pipe pistol.

It has crazy knockback though, like send people flying into the stratosphere kind of knockback. Its a physics gun

Then you rule out siding with the Brotherhood or Institute then. Leaves you with the Minutemen and Railroad and the Railroad is setting synths on the loose to run rampant and kill humans, so you always go Minuteman? I mean, it makes sense in a way, it's the only faction you can impose your own morality on.

@@liwojenkins Taking the trader route in nuka world sets humans free to run rampant and kill other humans, it's hardly any different. Why the double standard? Is it wrong to end slavery because some of those slaves could go on to become criminals?

How is that insane? They are subhuman to him.. he had a rational motivation , to study them he didnt do it because the voices said or they had evil bones or something … not insane.

​@WeAreInYourWall he murdered people before the war, which is why he was moved from deathrow to the asylum. He's not insane, he's just an Zetan in a human body.

Imagine putting it on a explosive gamma gun if that’s a thing idk

Thats one thing i didnt realize for awhile til i saw a mod on xbox that helps you find your few settlers that are actually synths. I cant believe they put that in the game, the institute literally sends synths to your settlements to spy on you. I mean Sturges is a synth if you use the mod to be able to kill essential NPCs he has a synth component.

​@@brandogents6624such a neat detail it could be likely that like 20% of the population are synths and there are many agents/informants working with them. Kinda lame how little they get used in game.

Is he immortal if he leaves his cell?

So it looks like Jack was telling the truth. Not denying something is reasonable if you've been insulted with accusatory questions several times. All we have are paranoid people that are probably jealous that someone has immortality serum without bad side effects like ghoulification.

Correction. Jack did not willingly imprison Lorenzo in Parsons Asylum. He tells the player that it was due to the family's influence his father ended up confined at Parsons rather than on Death Row. It's also heavily implied Lorenzo did a lot of heinous shit before he was confined in the asylum, so it's just as likely he would have killed his family anyway

@@toakongu1 don't get me wrong, Lorenzo IS a nutcase Eldritch killer, but it's just as evil to lock your father up, lie to strangers about the details of his captivity, and use his powers to maintain your lifespan while you make no real attempts to help him past his madness whatsoever.

@@clarencewalters338I think that may be due to them all living for over 400 years. I think living for that long, eternally young, unnaturally strong and unaffected by radiation will mess with the way your mind works. You can get a glimpse of their psyche in the youngest daughter’s records found in her computer. She talks about feeling superior but also extremely sad.

Actually, when i checked back on my quest summary for The Secret of Cabot House, I realised my choice then was that I stopped Lorenzo which I totally forgot about lol (I may have replayed the quest with the alt choice and thought that was what I went for), not sure what my line of thoughts were back then but this just goes to show the grey nature of the choices

You can actually get up to 8 vials of the serum and still kill Lorenzo. 1 vial from Special Delivery if you pass a speech check to lie and say you couldn't recover any serum. 4 vials from the named raider miniboss "Lefty" in the room containing Lorenzo's cell. 3 vials on a table beneath the observation window Jack is standing at, same room as Lefty

PS5 bug is rare. I’ve had it once in all my runs on PlayStation.

@@ErosXCaos Not rare for me. I have it on both of my characters.

@@Specuh When I looked into fixing the bug, it’s impossible on PS5. PC players can use console commands. But I read that the Unofficial Patch and FreeFall4 prevent it.

What’s the bug? I just completed this quest on ps5 on survival it was tough with the raiders on serum lol

@@EternalNightingale emogene won't spawn when you rescue her from Brother Thomas's cult. She instead spawns behind a locked door in the cabot which you can't unlock, making the quest impossible to complete. There is no fix for this for console users and it seems to have infected my entire copy of Fallout 4 since if I create a new character I just get the bug all over again.

I think Zetans because we kill him using Zetan radiation

@@AngelRamirez-qp7uu true, its been awhile since my last run but did enjoy this questline. hardly remember nowadays. Thanks for the comment.

Likely zeta but the headpiece is not the right size for their heads. Also it could be an ancient earth civilization that ascended or some bs.

I had the same issue on a previous run, you'll have to use console commands to advance the quest, or reload a save from before you finished Special Delivery and start the Emogene part over again