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A lot of games should be removed from steam...

So they’re selling abandonware. (By their own admission) while stealing money to fund their own stuff, while claiming to have run out of money. This developer should be black listed.

I'm starting to see a pattern. Whenever I see a cool looking game on Steam i'm like "wow, cool concept devs, I'll buy it later when it feels more finished". Then, when i've forgotten about it I see youtubers claiming the game is dead, then I go to its steam page and the reviews are mostly negative. I guess i'm saving money atleast?

honestly... they should have lowered the game to roughly $3.00 released mod tools updated the steam page to say what happened and idk make development a hobby to get rid of the bugs

I guess you really do need 260mil to make a game like this

Finding new good games is getting difficult, damn I'm a boomer

It’s more of a space survival game. It’s more like “The Forest” or “Rust” than Elite Dangerous or Star Citizen

Whenever this happens i find my finest wine, light my caramel mocha scented candles, find my fart robe with silk from eastern lands, and sit in my recliner and scoff.

This is why I no longer want to support early access games. Even though games like ARK, Rust, Miscreated, PUBG removed the "Early Access" tag to their games they still run and are updating like early access games.

Horrible Games and Devs: Exists* BigFry: “So you have chosen... death”

Oh look. A small dev studio trying to make a huge game and failing because it was far much more than they could ever succeed in creating? Who could have foreseen that! :O I was actually looking forward to Hellion. My hopes for it releasing were, however, very low.

hey look what happened to Fallout 76 people still bought it even for $60

I like when you say. "Assholey"

The 'former programmer' said that it needed to be rebuilt. My guess is that when the developer told the investor that they needed to go back to step 1 the investor decided there was not enough interest in the game to warrant further investment

Fair arguments. I bought Hellion, I'm actually still playing it. I think it sucks they can't complete it. Do I feel I lost my money? I put 43 enjoyable hours into the game. Bought it for 22 euros. A simplistic method I use is that I rate how satisfied about a game by dividing the money by the amount of hours played if that number is above 1 then I'm not happy about my purchase. that's 0.511 for Hellion. (Kerbal space program was really good at 0.05 probably even lower because I've spent ages playing it before it even got to steam early access) Subnautica was somewhere in between. Those games made it in part because of early access. So in short... No... I didn't waste my money.. I'd still spend the money knowing what I know now. It's early access. You know you're playing an incomplete game, a game that you risk will never be completed. The upside is that you're investing in the dreams of game-devs. I was part of the hellion experience. I enjoyed the game, and still do. And the few euros won't break my bank. You win some you lose some. They should however clearly indicate the status of the game as no longer under production on the store page. Not doing so is unethical. I understand the issues they probably have with lost revenue for a company that is small and struggling. But that's no excuse to mislead your customers. I have recommended against buying the game on steam for this reason.

I love the community you've built with both fans, and content creators Fry. Seriously, all of you bounce off of each other, you make topics like these seen and shared to so many people by working together, sharing information, and shouting each other out. All this probably goes without saying, but you guys are bringing people together, and keeping them informed. Brilliant work to everyone involved. Here for 10k, here for 100k, and I'll sure as hell be here for a mil. up up up baby!

The issue here is that if hellion should be removed from steam, then you need to go have a look at After Reset, a tech demo that has been on steam for a very long time with a 30 quid price tag, with no obvious development going on (barring a developer decision to drop the price to 14.99 for the sale). At the very least, hellion is a game that you can play and enjoy to a certain degree.

That was cool to see my gameplay featuring this video. My experience with the Hellion was rather positive, especially when the devs added single player mode `cause multiplayer was literally unplayable with all the bugs it used to have. But i agree with BigfryTV`s message that the front page of the game in Steam has to be changed as it is misleading people who just surfing the Steam store and know nothing about the case. By "misleading" i mean that nearly 60% of the game features listed are still marked as "in development". That`s a shame.

I've paid full price for the game just when it was released. I like the fact that they use orbital physics, I liked how difficult it was to pilot and doc ships I wanted to support the development of this game. I knew there is a chance the game my fail completely. Last time I played the game was about 3 years ago. It was fun :) It sucks that they fail and I wish more game devs try to make games with real orbital physics.

If they can afford to make another game then why the hell didn't they finish it.

Pocketing the remaining money, is no pure business model, this is called exit scam. Btw, what is the point of putting the rest of the money into new projects? Who would be wanting to buy into any new projects from such devs?

Dont forget that there are also great Games in Early Access. Deep Rock Galactic, The Forest, Rimworld. :) ROCK AND STONE !

Sorry boys, Star Citizen is the space game to rule them all

The game is being removed from steam tight now. Its free to keep until 30.3.2020 and then the game wont be purchasable. Pretty sad :( it had potential but devs f***ed it up

I'm 100% sure this is a result of Star Citizen. The devs are fully aware of the shadow that Star Citizen is casting on all new space games, they know they have less capital, less users and ultimately a dramatically smaller market share. They're scared and they know they won't be able to match SC, hence moving onto other projects. Change my mind

I remember this. I was pretty interested in it and wanted to wait simply because it was so ambitious. Good thing I waited.

You should review Hentai World War 2. It’s a hardcore tactical shooter that shows off the horrors of war and the brutal reality of it all.

Hellion developers are a bunch of guys from Belgrade, Serbia, who were essentially given a ton of money to make this game. Serbs being Serbs, they ended up squandering most of it on overpriced computers and an overpriced workspace equipped with things like massage chairs, gym, beds, etc., George Romero-style. The management essentially heavily mismanaged the funds the company had, which is why the company went down the drain and the project was released like this.

No, it shouldn't. What if a person who doesn't own it wants to play the game? Then what?

I have the opposite issue. Saw it during the development, went "cool, I'll pop back here in a year's time to see you guys still have the same vision / haven't sold out / when the game is more complete and is less 'early access' and whatnot" - turns it out it got abandoned, pity but fair enough. Now when the devs left it as free to play due to abandoning the project, I can't find it anywhere to try and see where they got up to since it's not available on Steam and can't be downloaded anywhere else...

"Hey, we started making the game, and althought we haven't finished it officially, people weren't paying and playing so we decided to stop making the game"

The game looks good tho

I agree, it might not have been intentional and they had a serious lack of skills to tackle the issues the fact is, as you said, way to early in early access and the way they decided to react to the situation. The proper way would have been to do what the documentation recommends under "What happens if I don't complete my game?" and contact STEAM. If they don't make profit anyway, they could just pull the game and close the servers with a 6 month notice to fans or similar. Developers never seem to read the documentation STEAM gives them and if they do they just ignore the guidelines and think they know better. I think content creators have read it more than devs.

The interesting thing is that they used Early Access as a way to keep their mismanaged project above water, pushing their problems onto their consumers and delaying the inevitable instead of fixing the fundamental issues with their broken product before public release. Early Access is not an excuse to put a price tag on a broken product.

I bought this game because of bluedrake 42 lol last early access game I ever bought it was good but sad it didn't take off now Star Citizen is the only one left that is actually doing something good with 3.8 and here's hoping all the money they made will turn out a good game after Dayz and this game Early Access is a reminder how we can only support so much as it's up to the developers to show promise gameplay and future updates

"The reason no one plays it is cause I didn't play it" wow the ego on this guy

@BigfryTV Hey man, have you heard of Guardians of Orion? It's currently in phase 1, it costs only a dollar on Steam, and the Devs said that Phase 2 will bring in a lot more content hopefully. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.

It never should have been a MP title. It should have strictly been a SP title which would have allowed them concentrate on the AI and other stuff. They did release a SP mode, but I wasn't interested in buying the game after hearing the complaints.

Early access is so hard to judge. This is one of a number of games that just failed and fell far short of what was promised. At the same time, look at The Isle, a game that looked so bad at first, that was buggy beyond belief. Now it is a wonderful game, with a great dev team. Its even getting a full recode to fix the issues they cant with their current system. Early access is like kickstarter. Some projects are amazing, and some never even reach backers.

Star citizen but without the budget.

so me and my friend have been working for about a year and a half on a massive mod for the game . basicly expanding the game even further with everything they said ' work in progress) being done aswell . i been tyring to contact the developers about the mod because we're not tryna get sued when we release this to the public

I’m surprised by their response. I was like 99% certain they were going to start throwing “defamation” around.

Not to sound like a dick, but who the hell actually thought this was going to work out? These shitty indie games pop up in early access to steal your money a thousand times a year, and yet everyone acts all shocked when the game is trash. How many times do they need to fool you before you learn? It's like buying bootleg DVDs from a street corner, just to be bewildered and appalled when it turns out you didn't actually get a copy of The Godfather 7. Do people put any research into things before they start throwing money away? Everyone complains about the abundance of early access scams, but the real issue is that you keep falling for it. Wow, who would have guessed the wildly overambitious indie company with no accountability wouldn't deliver on their promise...

I still like the concept. I am eager to get to play such a game in the future. They should try to sell the code or sell the IP.

Aaand it is here, they offer it for free until 30.3., then there will be no way to obtain it. And then they will only keep servers up in maintenance mode.

Say what you will about star citizen, it is still better than this lol

Just go play Star Citizen.

So they're using money people gave them to develop a specific game to fund *other* games? Isn't that simply fraud?

I remember watching someone stream this on twitch a few years ago, and almost getting sick from watching it. I was one of the people that begged you to cover it.

If only all early access devs followed the model of Rimworld

Why add a Star Citizen tag when talking about another game?

Valve should just remove the early access function completely it's totally broken and 99% of early access games are scams or doomed from the beginning.

I think people should take note of the devs that was involved with this project. Cause with their behavior, I would expect them to change the name of their "studio" before launching their other project as we seen with so many failed "games" before. The fact that they already have another project means they have known this for a long time, and planned for it. Watch out for them in 2020 and don't give them your money again.

11:30 Early access is used as a way to help fund the development of games. That is the only point... How do you know they got money ONLY from the early access? They talked about their investors that lost money... who are they talking about? FFS, your video raise more questions than answers!

12:35 I don't know if you've ever been coding is a huge code base, but you get some shit I can tell you. When you have to rebuild the fundation, the whole goes to trash too.

'Notice: At the request of the publisher, HELLION is no longer available for sale on Steam.' :(

Hey BigFry, can you show off the new animations for World War 3? Alot of people are hyped at the animations they will be adding soon in the next update. You can find it on steam news.

You aren't harsh enough since if they are making another game then they don't have funding for that game either if that is what they are saying that they didn't take the money and run is true then how on earth will they fund another gimped product under their belt.

Many years later, the game is no longer on steam. I am sure they took the money and formed a new LLC.

The biggest shame about Hellion is that not all the devs were pieces of shit. It only takes a few bad eggs though... The experience of Hellion is probably worth 10. You will sink a lot of hours into it if you choose to play it (provided you're not eaten by a shelf) but they absolutely should release mod tools and include the half finished stuff in the game's code so that the players can do more with it. Even if the bugs will never fully be fixed the game itself is one hell of a foundation for great things. It also occurs to me that Hellion is more engaging in its current bare bones state than Fallout 76 ever was. So take that for what you will.

Thank you for doing this video Big, i bought 2 licenses of this game to support the development, i got a lot of drama from some moderators for giving them feedback, i got banned from their discord server for saying "murica" in the context that i was joking around with a friend in their server, and a moderator said it was racism, and just banned me without giving me any second to talk about it. I was part of the so called "Test Squad", i invested myself into this game, tried to help out, and then, they decided to end the community "test squad" internalizing the test team, basically silencing the feedback from the community, they are shady. I agree that the game should not be set as "complete" it is a total lie and bullshit. They deserve the bad rep they are getting and i think it is not enough. In the steam discussion board there's a lot of people defending them saying we should CHILL because we got what we paid for, and we should not say the are scum. Hey i am super ok with people wanting to hand down money to these guys, but i have the right to complain, since i paid for the game. No one has the right to silence backlash, if you think it's all good for you, nice, go live your life, let the ones that do not agree with you, lash out. I clicked the report button on the steam page for this game saying that the game was not completed and should not be for sale. But of course it was ignored. :-\

8:30 Before saying that they took the money and ran with it, can we get... I don't know... the estimated ammount of money left?This is the one point that would make me agree with you. With what was left in their pockets, would they have made it?

You're wrong, if I want to have my friends play with me. I should be able to play with them.

just get a job at steam quality control man, they clearly need u

I loved this game, if it simply wasn't for the game breaking bugs from allowing me to progress... I could have sank a few hundred more hours into it. I just wanted bugs fixed but they kept adding content instead of fixing the game. Overall it is disappointing how things ended up.

fun fact, its off from steam a while now but there are modders working on this game now. called Hellion Rescue Project, completely free of charge

I bought this "product" almost a year ago, but did not install it even once, because i wanted to wait for more of the listed features to be in, when starting. I will ask Steam for a refund (not that i expect to get anything, but i still want to step on their nerves).

HELLION is a prime example to why good prototypes shouldnt be place on steam until you can actally make something of it with good backing.

Good job highlighting Steam's early access regulations. Too many games are allowed to be launched in early access with the early access sales being the primary source of development funding. The only way Hellion, as abandonware, should be allowed to stay on Steam is if it's free and labeled as a demo that won't be completed. I think Steam and other storefronts that allow early access sales need to self regulate before actual legislation happens that screws over the very few developers who have an actual development plan and use early access to both show off the game and use player feedback to help guide development and fix issues. I read a lot of reviews on Steam early access games where the reviewer says something like, "the game has x, y, z problems and is missing content, but it's still early access, so I'm sure it will be sorted out by launch." There's guarantee that an early access game will be completed or that issues x y z will be fixed, but there's a player leaving a positive review. Steam should cap early access game price to something like $5 and / or be liable for refunds if an early access game is not not completed. The 1st would benefit gullible players, the 2nd would force Steam to vet developers who want to use early access. Realistically though, the entire games industry is early access. Bethesda and Ubisoft are notorious for selling "complete" games a year before they're actually bug fixed and feature complete. Most major publishers use "dlc" instead of "early access", but that's even more nefarious because they are charging full price for an incomplete, early access quality game, then charging more for the "dlc" that brings the game up to actual release quality.

I think you were about 10-15% too harsh. Namely on them being the shining example of Early Access problems. Tbh, the mere fact that they actually tried for years puts them above many others imo. If we're taking them at their word, anyway.

It's a shame really. I think this game had great potential. A lot of good ideas and mechanics already in the game. But, it was probably a mistake to try to make something with so much scope on Unity to begin with. Of course, one of my all time favorite games, was Subnautica, and the devs had a huge amount of work to get the game playable in Unity, but in the end they made something that I still love to this day.

I didn't cover it, that's why almost nobody plays it. Wow!

Yeah, every game that either doesn't release or releases in a garbage state makes me happier that I continue to put money into Star Citizen. They have the team and funding to actually deliver.

mount and blades a good example of gaming industy going in the right direction

Should be free to play with opening the code for the servers to the Publix so it doesn't completely die also there should be a punishment for the developer since that was false advertising and they took the money to use for other things that should be proven last of all they shouldn't be allowed to continue charging for a game that's not done

11:00 Failure is not the same as dishonesty.

Many studios are doing this, using the money to develop new projects and abandon the last ones...

dead matter is a carbon copy of this situation

Hey man, brilliant video! I am totally with you. I tested the game too in it's early stages on my channel and eventhough it was very promissing, it did never deliver what we expected. Keeping the game on Steam shows exactly what problems we had in the last years with that whole early access-crap. Games should put on the market when they are ready. Thx for your vids, keep on rockin' and Happy New Year!

if them make the game free it will live. there is an active community even though you can no longer buy the game

Hellion had great potential, but the support wasn't there.

"genre" is the word you're looking for when comparing it to Star Citizen or Elite Dangerous

its just wrong. your right. ppl payed for early access with the understanding and agreement that the money is to pay for a finished product period. This is Fraud.

I unistalled Hellion after all the bug issues and the development was ended. So much potential, shame.

Kickstarter and crowd funded games have made game dev think they could do the most crazy game they ever imagine with a limited team and budget and good faith. But when you take star citizen that even if graphics and animation are way better to do the same type of gameplay you need the same type of tech. Thats also why star citizen was thinking they could make the game for 65 millions but after 8 years of devellopement and almost 1/3 of a billion they are still in alpha and they still need to devellop some core tech to make that idea of all those game mechanics work togheter and that why they will still need more money and time to finish it or try to finish it. Identity RPG the game that wqs supposed to be GTA online on steroids with much more mechanics and immersions well a team of 5 ppls in their basement and 1 million dollar they tought they would be able to beat a studio who have at least 1000 employee and an aproximation of 250 million buck for a game. Doing that is just impossible.

Any one want to play hellion later today?

I just came to discover this game when browsing through a torrent website. Looks amazing on the paper. But now I'm not sure I'll give it a chance...

Steam should be removed from steam

It was a fun little project to play as an alpha, but nowhere even close to a release state.

If they cannot handle the funds then why not hire an accountant to set a budget for them or get minimum term investors to help

Lowering price on the basis of a product not being finished its awful imo, would you buy a burger without the beef? Is this not a violation of consumer law?

Yes it needs to be removed from Steam

That is fraud. you can't take money to make something...not make it and keep the money. If the money ran out, well, that's the risk of backing a game in early access. But if there is money being funnelled out, nah, that's fraud.

Feature creep is real, it destroys alot of projects and using early access has really shown that over the years. It comes with practice but sticking to a development plan and THEN iterating from there is best course of action, especially when money is on the line, and said money is from interested and invested users....Its not always the case but, these are signs that prototyping was either lackluster or nonexistent. There is nothing wrong with trying to make big games, RPGS space sims etc but as a indie dev it should be 1/3 of skyrim/fallout/"insert fav RPG" cause even then the workloads is very heavy. indie devs we gotta do better.

Hellion looks polished, but that's about it. If you're looking for a good space exploration/survival game, I recommend Empyrion

Can anyone say Digital Homicide? AKA Digital Suicide.

why dont the re label hellion as a ghost / exploration game there is stil that Fiona and her ship the player can be part of the resque team . find out what happend find and fix the ship and then jump back to earth (with survivors if there are any) sorry for my bad spelling

Make it open source so we can finish it.

i want my 60$ back.... if i can't even play this game was so fun