I didn’t receive an ad just now so perhaps it’s random.

Big Oof

Uh oh, at least we got to see that sweet Lorax parking lot

Turtle approved

The real villain of the movie is apparently Universal.

MatPat IS the Onceler.

@@Thor-Orion oh my god

I just read this as he said it, incredible

The same thing happy to me, lol.

@@Thor-Orion it's all connected

maybe he and his rat family should start a rat farm?

@@UnbridledWeeping do they just starve until the first pumpkin grows or what

@@kaitlynm9463 It's simple, really. They can resort to cannibalism. Much better than stealing from a human being!

buy things with rat money that he stole

"Don't steal" is a pretty weird thing to tell anyone, particularly if they're someone who is stealing to satisfy unmet basic needs, as is the case in Ratatouille...

Yeah, for kids obviously. (me, in my 40s)

Man, I miss when he used physics and formulas in his videos...

@@parkercc He doesn't do that anymore? I haven't watched in years. Back in the day, I used to think, "Well yeah, that game theory is dumb and I don't buy it, but it really was just a framing device to talk about physics."

honestly the only way to find the charm of OG game theory is in "the science of" series

But it's not media interpretation.

They didn’t have to buy air. If they really did, they’d die when they leave their house.

@@cajunking5987 It's a cartoon set in an extremely fictional environment, you gotta suspend your disbelief a little

@@rowan9146 um no the whole point is O’Hare is running a scam lol

@@cajunking5987 isn’t the point that they were convinced they needed it by ohare essentially if you don’t buy into the restrictive and oppressive system of which there exists no alternative, you go into the “wasteland” and die

@@cajunking5987 okay… and if the film wasn’t a metaphor and was based on science, the boy who turned green from polluted dirty water (from ambiguous chemicals) would be dead from radiation poisoning or in fatal critical condition on an oxy IV because morphine makes the nausea from the radiation poisoning worse…

And the creepy shadow that's always behind him is just the darkness from our world seeping into his

Biig Jo'ol, Eldritch God of Sweaters

I am not at all convinced a "Joel" truly exists

Don't forget the crushing silence

But thats just a theory, A Big Joel theory.

maybe he didn't watch the movie lol

@@damjanp7920 I wouldn't be surprised if he made these videos without rewatching the specific content he's talking about. "I watched this movie five years ago! That's good enough to do an depth analysis!"

He's just helping the economy.

"How ba-a-a-ad can I be? I'm just makin up some game theories! How ba-a-a-ad can I be? I'm just defendin' the bourgeoise!"

Oh wow I'm actually upset by that take. One of my teachers had a bearded dragon who'd cling to your shirt and never let go if you let him. If that isn't a form of affection I don't know what is

@@TheBonkleFox Oh sure, when the walking handbag material does it, it's affection, but when I do it, it's sexual harrassment.

Also, you know, they're dragons? Like didn't they have a king in the first movie? I don't think normal lizards have kings.

How dare these whimsical creatures of myth not do the thing the wikipedia article said lizards do

He literally starts the video by saying how they aren't really behaving like lizards,but pushes that aside and pretends they behave exactly like lizards to reach his dumb conclusion

Except that's what illumination did.

​@jasonjungreis203 if Illumination wanted us to understand O'Hare being a big bawd buziness man they would have had the citizens of Thneedville gasping for air outside their homes, or at least struggling outside Thneedville

I think it's more that Mat Pat thinks he's somehow the only one that really understood the message and that even the people making the movie didn't know the message they meant to convey.

@@jasonjungreis203 That was the greatest comeback of the decade and it will take a long time before I find a comeback this perfect in a long time.

@@thechugg4372 Cool

he's not wrong tho

@@oncreativemode5486 i'm never describing him any other way again

Lmao I thought he was calling Matt that lmao

OMG I thought he was describing MattPatt like thatt lmaooo 🤣

As much as I love Joel's videos, hearing straight people use the term "twink" always gives me bad vibes...

But have you considered that it’s the forest’s fault for being made of stuff that’s worth money?

@@huckthatdish ah those darn trees, why did they have to be so good for making thneeds

He wanted to stop but the people wanted more so he started again, that’s why it’s the peoples fault

@@jdb7419 and people want fast fashion but we should teach them how bad it is. People don't mind buying a $5 shirt but will think twice about buying a $3 bucket of shrimps because they already know how unreliable that is. We need to keep the same parameters in all the things we consume

@@jdb7419 idk how 2 tell u this but most ppl with morals wouldnt cut down an entire forest just bc ppl want scarves or whatever the fuck. plus it was shown in the film that the Onceler was making propaganda 2 make ppl think the thneeds were 100% ethical

No replies till i reply

Is it? I thought it was telling me to buy Mazdas and disposable diapers with pictures of leaves on the box.

@@fly1714 Proof you're living in a simulation

MatPat does say that the movie has a point of its own and it’s about consumerism

Dr. Seuss was also a racist wife abuser, but we're discussing the 2012 movie, not the intentions of its original author

Yeah his logistic/scientific videos are infinitely better than his lore videos

Bro i know you ain't trynna say logistical lmao

his evaluation of how much minecraft's diamond armor is worth was one of my favs as a child

yeah! i feel like he/his team are definitely less passionated about the more lore-heavy/interpretation focused videos and that translates to downright objectively wrong points like in the us video

@@alexsere3061 Exactly, as a child. He makes children's content. Any mature adult would immediately see through his paper thin logic and wild baseless assumptions.

EXACTLY incredibly well said

The gaming community is extremely pro capitalism. It’s not surprising that his rhetoric is the same as r/stocks

so you're saying Us is pokémon the first movie

Yeah thats what I thought about the movies message.

@@BrokenRobot3K: Maybe the fact that you don’t get it is part of the point it’s trying to make. (like The Watchmen or BvS)

Oh, you think it's WRONG for him to sell air? Just don't buy it then! Checkmate, atheists. My dad is the economy, and his cock is huge!

@@Tanuki-cl7qi My dad works at Capitalism and he can get your dad fired from his job >:)

@@MsSeeingdouble NOOOOOOO

i now understand that i should not want anything, i should live in a cabin and live off of my rich family's money while complaining that everyone else is being a naughty bad bad consumer

@@k.morningstar7983 Oh you like things and enjoy being clothed and sheltered? Lol okay consoomer.

i mean yeah those two viewpoints are pretty consistent, they both blame the little guy 🐁

I don't know why you expected better from MatPat, communism 2, he always struck me as a bit of a bootlicking lib.

@@MelMelodyWerner O’Hara is such a cartoonish villain that I didn’t expect him to actually try to blame the people buying the air he sells.

@@randomplaceinruralamerica9618 The worst part is that, what are the people in The Lorax supposed to do?? Not buy air and fucking die??

@@ggs27 of course! vote with your wallet otherwise youre the problem

They literally make him a rat, a word synonymous with a low class person

Wow well said!

Damn

I just want to let you know that I read your comment with Redeemed Anton Ego's voice.

This is an insanely good read.

Indeed it is Helix, indeed it is...

Funny seeing you here, thank you for giving me many, many laughs over the years

Oh shit. Your skate 3 vids are S tier stoned watching.

Oh mah god dude it’s the skate 3 legend himself

I’m kk p

my brain is so obsessed with mother 3 that when i read that the new pork city theme started playing in my head

@@hurri. Mother 3 is surprisingly based

@@hurri. I think mother 3 as a kid for me planted seeds of anti capitalism that never fully formed until a couple of years ago. Pretty sick

Thankfully I'm dark type so I'm immune to psychic damage

fr besides superficial gratification through unnecessary material goods being unhealthy, it's just not possible to live sustainably while keeping production at that level?? give it a couple generations (at best) and any consumption based utopia is gonna collapse

It's interesting, because I feel like Ratatouille supports such an interpretation without really signaling it. Specifically, here, I'm pointing to Linguine. Dude uses the labor of this rat, as well as his expertise, and in return gives him nearly nothing. Certainly not an equitable stake in the money being earned (which, like, Remy's doing more than half the work here, but a 50/50 split would be reasonable). Remy's theft is thus a reasonable response to this behavior. This is not, I would say, a framing that is adopted by the film itself. At the end of the day, I don't think the issue is that, "This character is the bad guy actually," takes are inherently bad. It's that some media analysts, Matpat in particular here, are lazy as hell.

@@eggynack I definitely see your point. I guess what I am upset at, is when people claim the main character is bad, even when they're doing things that the film itself frames as bad. It's definitely more interesting to say that thing that the film frames is a good thing is actually a bad thing, but obviously films can play with this concept and frame bad as good or vice verso for juxtaposition and stuff. Yadayada nuace yada greys

@@eggynack however speaking specifically to ratatouille I think the film does In a way address linguines selfishness in understanding that the rat is getting nothing that's why remy lashes out and steals is because of linguines wrong action. Not that it overly pointed out but that's why you understand where I'm coming from.

Like I have that problem with Troy being evil and sharpay is good video as it misses the whole message of the movies in my opinion which is that the one thing sharpay was trying to do in the first 2 films in sticking to the status quo and trying to force people to keep the same social hierarchy is bad. Saying Sharpay did some nice things and works hard is true as Sharpay is not a one note character. But the films still paint her point of view and constant sabotage of everyone around her to help herself as bad.

It’s CinemaSins brain at work.

I’m sorry! I just can’t fault a hardworking guy with a dream of murdering people for cash as the bad guy!

Hey, if I don't, someone else will

He looks like a ring announcer to me.

I mean, not wrong on both counts.

It's my favorite.

Hell yeah

legit question: so does joel go by neutral pronouns (they) or neutral and masc (they/he)?

It's also blatantly dishonest because companies aren't honest about what they own. Even if you boycott Kelloggs, you'll still give their parent company money if you buy Pringles.

Tbh I dont think it goes to that deep, hes just taking it from different views, and making fun theories that his viewers requested, its like people making theories that harambe's still alive, its just views and theories, hence the popular quote "But hey, its just a theory, a FILM THEORY."

You know who was a conscious consumer? Ted Kaczynzki

@@TuesdaysArt It is even more dishonest because companies are not even honest about what they sell, even with law that promote informing the consumer about waht they bought, it can still be really hard to be able to choose adequately within a realistic timeframe, choosing a chicken for the sunday lunch shouldn't need a 20 minute long research on the internet about which brand doesn't destroy our planet. . And it also compeltely dismiss the real world fact that some people are simply too poor to even be able to choose, they can't afford better so they don't buy it.

@AlxH I can see the point in that but it still doesn't change the fact that shoving that short guy from the Onceler off a cliff alongside everyone who could immediately replace him, would either cause huge amounts of suffering or cause a similar company to crop up after a while. Well. Maybe there'd be more regulations on that one, which was gonna be my solution in the first place.

We don’t see poor people because they all suffocated

Indeed, the question is what qualifies someone to live in the town itself? Do they pay a tax? A fee? Sign over something to O'hare? Does he sell bottled air outside the town?

Because it's a kids movie.

There are people living outside of the town (such as the Oncelor) So it’s not like they die immediately

Don't buy bottled air, buy trees?

@@bluishwolf it’s a little difficult to buy trees when the only tree in their area was planted near the END of the movie.

@@snomboclaartThe only Truffula tree left. You think that's the only type of tree in the entire world?

@@bluishwolf In that movies universe... probably yes

@@Companion92 If it's the only type of tree left... why don't they just call them "trees" instead of having a species name?

mat feels like such a grifter, someone who isnt a real human being with their own personal moral code and personal beliefs and viewpoints. he just tries to make a case for "the opposite" of a piece of art. it doesn't matter if his analysis is consistent, it constantly feels like he starts with the idea "okay, so good guy is ACTUALLY bad guy/bad guy is ACTUALLY good guy, what evidence can I find to form my own narrative?", instead of just, ya know, just analyzing a piece of art. I'm certain he just found that coming up with "EVERYTHING YOU THOUGHT ABOUT ___ WAS WRONG" type of videos are the most senstional.

@@slightlyoffensivedadjokes the problem is his weekly upload schedule. Theories aren't something you can consistently churn out on a weekly basis with the same level of quality. Some of his theories are genuinely good... and there's sans is ness... the main problem with his channel is that the quality of his content can vary INSANELY.

@@priestofronaldalt also imo mattpat does theories on stupid ass shit sometimes. Like i get diversity in content but its like hes running out of ideas.

It's called making entertaining videos. Facts are not all that entertaining. Yeah the oncelor is the bad guy, woohoo, such a fun statement!

@@slightlyoffensivedadjokes what if, get this: matpat has his beliefs but doesn't need to always inject them into his content? You know you're allowed to just make an entertaining video without it being something you actually think, right? If you actually think matpat considers Mario to be a sociopath and the oncelor to be good then you're crazy.

They shouldn’t be so dumb to know buying air doesn’t work like that

@@cajunking5987 I feel like a big part of the movie was that the Edna mode looking guy was spreading propaganda to make sure people wouldn’t know that

​@@cajunking5987 yeah, maybe in the real world. The movie is literally about an orange fuckin abomination haunting an old man about destroying the world

​@@cajunking5987Obviously they were fed lies by O'Hare.

@@cajunking5987dude you’re all over this comment section simping for O’Hare, you alright?

I think the point is that he doesn't have a monopoly on air.

That we are deluded into thinking that he could have a monopoly on air... which is exacerbated by insistant marketing and brainwashing. You can't own air. Just like you shouldn't own water or land or people shouldn't be homeless. I think its just an interesting way to look at late game capitalism. That it is trying to capitalize on things you can't by brainwashing people into buying things you can't buy. I mean the Villain is an asshole but he's only one part of the problem. Which is why the movie sucks. Its simplistic villian.

No, he doesn't try to say that - basically or in any other way.

Yeah those fucking consumer are bad for wanting to live 😡🤬

@@nikitahichoii482 No, they are morons, because they are buying something they don't have to. There is free breathable air available to anyone.

I decided to rewatch the scene where the twist is revealed and I have to say she really seems like an evil person. At least she was extremely evil before she lost her memories of the underground complex. She chokes out and kidnaps the original kid, chains her to a bed, and then takes her clothes to take over her life. All with an evil gleeful smile. She is enjoying the fact she's hurting this girl. I agree that she is protecting her family in the movie, but it is a consequence of her own incredibly evil decision as a child. The way you describe it it sounds more like she took the kid's place as a last ditch effort to escape, a desperate fearful act that you could at least sympathize with. But it isn't like she apologies to the real daughter. Or just tricks her down to the facility. She attacks her while wearing this creepy smile and chains her to a bed. What if the OG daughter hadn't been able to get free? She'd starved to death, a slow and painful death. So nah neither of them are good people.

You can‘t fault her for it, but if you interpret the movie as being about class politics or marginalization in our society in general, I think the movie sees her as sort of a cautionary tale of a person only concerned with her own individual ascent out of her bad position. Which is a reasonable reading to make imo, given the whole „we‘re middle class, but not as middle class as our white friends, and we struggle in keeping our kids connected to Black culture in a way that isn‘t completely dissonant“ bit from the start of the movie. Her doing what she did resulted in a lot of people dying, so a bunch of people can stand in a row holding hands across America, which is sad.

@@paperbackwriter1111 Yeah which is why I can't see the doppelgangers as not being the bad guys. They just murdered thousands of people and disrupted local emergency services, leading to the deaths of even more people. Did they go to stab babies in their cribs? Probably. I feel no sympathy for them, even if their existence and treatment is very sad. I loose all sympathy when you go on a murder spree just because you've been treated badly.

@@storytellingchampion6438 they‘ve been lied to just as everyone has, believing that their only path to liberty is to „untether“ themselves by killing their opposites, as there would supposedly only be room for one group of them to live a human life. Were slave revolts that killed slavers wrong? Were the Haitians wrong when they killed the French who had enslaved and oppressed them and drove them off the island? I don‘t think so. The tethered believe that their surface counterparts are literally their chains. Them not knowing that this is incorrect is of course tragic, but I don‘t think they‘re the bad guys for acting upon this. EDIT: Also to borrow a line from the video: it‘s odd to apply a human code of morality to people who have been denied being seen as human for their entire existence.

@@storytellingchampion6438 I can think of a few people off the top of my head I would gladly kick off a volcano because of how they treated me. Not saying I think the tethered were justified in what they did, just saying I understand the motive. Also I have no clue if I worded that correctly because I can't speak English properly

He awoke th3 beast in me in 4th grade when he called mario evil

Well, it's a principal in business, that everybody knows is sound. It says that people with the money, make this ever lovin' world go 'round.

_The Onceler..._

@@ghoulishtoad I mean Mario is a war criminal.

@@kevinwillems8720 Did he bomb the Serbia and started War of Independence?

Yeah back even when i was a kid watching matpat, aside from his fnaf videos id always wonder if any of the game devs had intended anything like this or if he was just grasping at details

This sounds almost identical to the trajectory of Doug Walker

@@garaj1 I've never seen Doug Walker piece together anything even remotely coherent.

That’s probably exactly why he gets obvious shit incorrect, and like someone already pointed out, is exactly like Doug Walker.

Yeah its almost like he has painted himself into a corner by running three youtube channels and now has to twist the facts of what he is talking about to pump out new videos all the time.

@@topleybird2443 don’t compare him to Doug. Doug was never respected or comparably successful as Matpat

Reminds me of the Dave Chapelle bit where he says he makes punchlines before making the joke and has to write his way up to it. this would satisfactorily explain the Sans is Ness interpretation tbh

Matpat is probably the biggest expert on gaming the algorithm in the entire KZfaq scene

@@themandownstairs4765 exactly. I wouldn’t tell him not to do it that was necessarily, but it does lead to a lot more misses than hits.

@@themandownstairs4765 yea but the sans is ness vid is a part of youtube history, its a bad theory but its still gold

Now that does make sense. Like playing a game of Don't Get Me Started.

The youtuber who calls himself Big Joel, is neither Big, nor Joel -Voltaire

He's about 10 Joel's tall.

Verily.

Medium Henry confirmed

Conclusion - Joel is big where it counts. 😏 His heart! Get your mind out of the gutter!

Matt has always been the ultimate devil's advocate, he isn't really "stuck" with the role : it's just his personality and something he enjoys doing, and maaany people can't understand that, which is why he gets so much hate

@@finixmoon127 I agree. Ive never understood why he gets hated on so much his theories are just supposed to be interesting "what ifs"

@@drew-vt8ws The fact that he had to explain that Sans is Ness wasn't to be taken seriously will always be insane to me

​@finixmoon127 who intimidated him into retracting those findings? Patrick et al is widely respected in the community for his discovery of Ness-Sans convergence.

Pure evil

how ba-a-a-ad could he be?

@@zuresei he's just doing what comes naturally

Of course. Everyone knows the real villain is the Greedler.

That's mainly why now i just watch THE SCIENCE!!

Yeah same I learnt a lot of maths and science from him and got fun facts to tell my friends but now I just don't enjoy his content anymore and moved on to ShoddyCast

Also, I think we shouldn't skip over the fact that he made a whole episode about how Thanos was right... That one...That one deffinitely deserves a yikes!

@@vgarzareyna what's funny is that those videos are from another channel that later merged with his.

He's also like, "mmm, Scott Cawthon gave Tulsi Gabbard and Ben Carson money too, so he can't be a conservative or a racist. Don't be so upset, LGBTQ+ community!"

It’s a cartoon villian from a kid’s movie and you’re still harassing someone for defending them?

@@fruityren your perception of harassment is a bit twisted I might say

I mean, guess it's just a view stunt. You see a video like "O'Hare is actually the good guy?!?!?!?!?!? [gone sexual]* video in your feed and then can't help but click to check this nonsense out and all and the worst thing is his theory was absolutely convincing

@@ren.67 you do realize he gets death threats from this stuff right?

@@fruityren just because you (not you personally) get death threats doesn't mean that i can't criticize and joke around with you. The world ain't got time to stop just for some depressed guy.

Yeah!! And what also gets me is that, what is the alternative then? Rats paying for food with their hard earned tiny rat dollars??? Ngl i never thought much about it before today but the movie anti-stealing stance is kinda weird lol

the way i like to think about it is that remy is constantly dealing with these two different sides of his identity - his internal desire to be respected as a chef like gusteau, a human, and his love for his entire rat family. remy doesn't NEED to steal from 5 star restaurants, he could just eat garbage like the rest of his family but he thinks they deserve to be treated like the humans, at the end of the day hes super naive and the movie constantly reminds us of that, sometimes in the form of a joke, and others when his dad shows him a window full of rat corpses. he holds himself up to an impossibly high standard, and even when he sticks to those expectations of himself, linguini still kicks him out and accuses him of being egotistical (which, they both are in a way). i think by the end remy gets the best of both worlds, he finds a way to not only feed his family, but to give them gourmet food, the stuff he thinks they deserve and on his own terms. Is it short sighted about stealing? kinda, but i disagree with the premise that its one of the major takeaways in a movie about passion and art and self discovery

And the contradiction this produces is that the movie can serve as an allegory for class mobility within a capitalist system and how it might look. (Watch The Squad’s video on Ratatouille for more.) Like, it clearly empathizes with the plight of Remy and, by extension, Linguini to be a meaningful part of the society they live in, yet it also demonizes the need for survival at any cost like you said. It doesn’t make sense.

@@RobotLover696 The whole point is not that they shouldn't steal, but that they could at least aim to something more, but they think they inherently can't. You can't really show the message without showing that stealing is also bad lmao

@@AvatarBowler it makes,,, sense its just not as fleshed out as it could be. don't get me wrong, i wish for more media that didn't demonize stealing and also i think ratatouille uses a very basic moral quandary to illustrate a more broad point about passion, the pursuit of art, and what it means to respect and cherish your family

really cutting analysis by Mat here

It certainly does seem to be a point that he tries to make a lot, huh?

@@yaninity Liberals are weird

@@yaninity he’s not making a point he’s having fun-

@@fruityren It is dangerously disingenuous to pretend that you cannot do both at once, including by accident. All attempts to communicate have implications about the communicator's views. There is no topic so narrow that this does not apply on some level.

Ironically enough if someone pointed that out to him he would probably say something along the lines of "vote with your clicks"

I think that an easy way to counter act this would be for him to look at his theories more critically and consider the bigger picture + trying to put clear distinctions between his "what if..." type videos and his "what if x happened irl" videos from his "secret lore that nobody has figured out" videos, also pointing out contradictions at the end in a clear and concise manner instead of giving them a footnote or just passing right through it But it's way easier to make a quick 1 million views by just spouting out nonsense that is just crazy and wrong enough to make people believe it, sorta like how a lot of stories in WW wrestling were only there for shock value

Take his "x vs x" videos for example. He literally paints himself in one side with little nuance.

@@airplanes_aren.t_real woah! Turns out you can’t fucking taste a liar, no shit Sherlock

I like matpat, I'm subscribed to all of his channels. But yes, he has a lot of garbage takes that drive me insane. I think he's just running out of ideas. Or there is a popular movie but he doesn't really have any theories on it, so he has to force it. There's so many theories and subreddits and internet sleuths nowadays, it's really hard to be original. Either matpat should take a break or just examine already existing theories. Kinda like he did on that "why fellowship shouldn't have flown to Mordor" episode. He built on an existing theory some redditor came up with, while trying to answer the biggest or most obvious plot hole in LOTR. Imagine if he tried to argue how Wormtongue should've been the chosen one who carries The One Ring to Mordor or how Sauron was right actually 😂

I feel like my timeline pushed me to watch this video again (which I did happily) because of this moment in particular. Algorithm said “oooooooooooh.”

A shame since he didn’t do much weong

@@cajunking5987 bye bye time for you to go

ikr

Well yeah it’s a theory he’s not trying to debate he’s just making his content and giving a new outlook

@@fruityren Theories still need to be able to hold up to scrutiny, though. A lot of his theories can be debunked pretty easily.

@@GamingintheAM0801 they’re for fun it’s not like he’s trying to patten anything- he’s making content for fucks sake he’s a theater kid who plays video games, i enjoy his theories because i think it’s interesting how you can give something a different look most of his theories aren’t serious and are just done because people request them, he’s not debating his theories he knows they aren’t accurate since the plot is obvious but he still finds a way to look at it differently which i have to respect.

@@fruityren His videos really aren't that clever, dude. It's all stuff any edgy 14-year-old could come up with. His theories come off less as "looking at things differently" and more "being a contrarian because it gets views."

One of the best examples being his one on Salad Fingers where the creator directly stated, he is wrong and MatPat makes another video saying the new video confirmed everything he said.

How about the fact Remy's is a diseased riden rodents?

@@psycholaw4394 in real life yeah. But in a Pixar world ? Nah.

@@psycholaw4394 CLEARLY you've never befriended the rat king

@@psycholaw4394 we are one we are all. We are living in your walls.

Just because that thief found personal and spiritual redemption doesn't stop him from being an evil bread thief #JavertDidNothingWrong

If this guy's take is "it's your fault because you won't stop breathing" imagine his take on real life topics

They can… if they NEEDED to buy air, they would be dead all the time because those little air fans don’t do the job lmao. The atmosphere is obviously full of air, O Hare is selling empty bottles.

@@cajunking5987 shut up

Just like how we pay for water irl when we shouldn't have to

​​@@cajunking5987 He's selling them clean air. Freedom from the smog that envelops the atmosphere. That is what's happening. It's why he wants more smog and no trees. Less smog = cleaner, more breathable air = less money. It's literally a cartoon villain scheme.

Not to mention, Morty has probably experienced a lot of traumatizing things and that has to have some sort of effect on his development.

Shit I'm 24 and I feel like I change beliefs every other week... Its just a part of being human I general

How many years has Morty been 14? Like 10 years now?

@@HOTD108_ Eight, but you aren't too far off.

Mortys character definitely changes by seasons bases.

29% of the issue is caused by The People, while 71% is caused by corporations. So even if all of us decided to boycott and live perfectly clean lives it wouldnt even make a massive difference.

The lorax is interesting because if the Oncler had listened to the lorax, he would’ve made more money. In wiping out the Truffula tree, he killed too his business, but a more sustainable practice would’ve ensured long term success.

Yeah I noticed that all his bad takes have a very pro-capitalist, rugged individual, systemic problems don't exist vibe to them. I hereby diagnose mattpat with rich American syndrome. I'm sorry to say that it's terminal.

@@guy-sl3kr Classism is so widespread and yet I feel like it's the one thing no one acknowledges

And you can even see how the straw thing is being solved, COMPANIES switching over to biodegradables due to laws and social pressure, not consumers just quitting straws altogether. It is companies that need to change their practises, not consumers searching for niche, unknown companies with prices that might outweigh the utility of the product.

Well at this point we don't even really know, if air is really THAT bad until people have to buy it cans and water bottles, there are literally no trees for decades, pretty sure if the air was that bad they needed to wear oxygen tanks everywhere, they just think they need it

@@8darchibaldmawuntu198 O'Hare still create forms to convince and coerce people to maintain things as they are. It's not real necessito, it's made up.

@@clintwood731 Well again, theories, different perspectives from different views, its just made up stuff

@@8darchibaldmawuntu198 No, it's show on the film, he made up things to his own profit.

@It is I Dio! Exactly, im just saying that his theories are very unique, like him saying that the air isnt actually needed and ohare is just lying

Yeah its the "theory" that turned me off. Its not even something that is kind of hidden in the book, its explicitly talked about, all the evidence is clearly laid out and as far as I remember Harry more than once thinks and wonders about the what if scenario.

The reason MattPat always uses animations of himself is because he can’t reliably show his real face with that boot so far down his throat.

@@akorn9943 or because he can’t say it with a straight face.

Come on, he probably just doesn't like showing his face on camera, or can't be bothered to film himself for long periods.

@@100billionsubscriberswithn4 No you don't get it. The Sans is Ness guy is actually a bourgeois capitalist pig because he made a dumb cliche theory in one of his weekly episodes. Him using the "The bad guy is actually good" cliche on a movie with a political undertone actually 100% exposes his political views, and the video must be criticized because it is the reason we are in this corporate hellscape.

A oncler kinnie

@@huhthatsinteresting1644 Mat has 100% had a Tumblr which he used, guy was a drama kid after all God I don’t miss 2000s internet “fandom” culture, he was absolutely engaged in plenty of it, and probably thought the Onceler was a badass libertarian going their own way A LGTOW if you will

I know we're talking about the movie, but wasn't that why Seuss never showed the Onceler's face in the book? The idea that that could be literally anybody (even you), even if they might have started out as a humble salesperson, and once they become too powerful, that power (in the Onceler's case, the success of the thneed and the money he made from them) is going to corrupt them, to the point where literally destroying the world doesn't seem like such a problem, so long as they get money out of it?

Honestly I thought the exact same thing. It just seems like he is talking about himself there.

@@mikejeffries3333 it's partly why I hate modern interpretations of dr Seuss stories. It feels like alot of the miss the point of the message and tries to add into to much backstory for certain characters. Or it tries to add in so much filler to a story that could easily be told in 15 minutes.

Exactly my thought process

I've never even watched the movie but what little I had heard about it, I assumed a point of sympathy towards the tethered, never once thinking some might think of them as the "bad guys"

Especially since the tethered are a metaphor for baseless opression it really comes across like his big US take is "our society is so dumb we don't even know who to subjugate anymore" which... :/

@@nutwit1630 Also the tethered have many nonverbal autistic traits. When the mom is crying and saying she just wants her little girl back, I felt uncomfortable because her behavior isn’t “wrong” it’s just “different”. Yes in actuality the girl is the tethered girl, but the mom doesn’t know that.

Honestly I really hope Matpat is just joking with this stuff because I already kind of felt like he might be a sociopath after his creepy-ass Mario video, and stuff like his lack of empathy for the tethered is kind of freaking me out

Why aren't there more likes on this? It's a good point to add, proving why even the consumers at the beginning aren't responsible for the Onceler wrecking the ecosystem in the first place.

The people literally got lied to, walled in, and blocked from leaving and seeing the outside world wtf were the Film Theory writers thinking???

That doesn't explain why a lot of his "theories" end up being capitalist apologia

@@Reggie1408 Most people haven't been exposed to decent communist ideas, and the idea of capitalist criticism scares them, fills them with an actual anxiety.

@@Reggie1408 his video about video game addiction was fairly anti capitalist imo. Tho I haven't watched it in ages

This is EXACTLY why I unsubbed a couple years ago, it almost seems like he doesn't even play the games he talks about with how many things he gets blatantly wrong

Lmao the people who stayed behind were PRIMARILY farmers

ikr.

underrated comment lol, hadn't even thought of that

And he really blames us for him bailing on his own scientific principles in favor of producing clickbait theories? You may have something there.

secound hand existed right?

He really do be like “the people of Thneedville are enabling cruelty with their consumption. They should do the noble alternative and *f u c k i n g d i e .*

@@ThePapaja1996 because well off white women (like emma chamberlain) made thrifting “trendy”, thrift stores either jack up their prices on the good items or are completely barren of anything wearable. plus, they still contribute to a lot of waste, considering how much they take in and how much they’re able to put out. under capitalism, there is no ethical consumption, just better ways to reduce harm. for example, good fair takes a shit ton of clothes and puts them in a mystery box and they’re priced pretty well for what they give. and the trend of people up cycling old clothes, a brilliant way to develop ones style and use something they probably wouldn’t have worn otherwise. there’s ups and downs to everything, we just gotta decide what our morals can deal with.

"You criticize society yet you participate in it. Curious! 🤔" -mattpat probably

@@guy-sl3kr bruh that deadass is him tho fr

I wonder if he hears Immortan Joe's "don't become addicted to water" spiel in Fury Road and thinks, "that's a good point. Is he secretly the good guy?"

Yeah because consumers are never wrong, its all the big corporations making things, and we just HAVE to consume them, cause i mean, its there... so why not right? Lets not kid ourselves, big corporations are a reflection of the greed and laziness of the population. If it wasnt that way, then we would have to believe that there is just some nefarious bad people at the top of all those companies by cheer fucking luck... But you could swap people all day long at the top, and they would end up in the same please. Increasing profits, fulfilling consumer demand. Im not an apologist of big corporations. But if people weren't so stupid as to want luxury air, maybe there would have not been a demand to monopolize it. and again the only way to stop that from being that way, is from people to wake the fuck up. Not just expect things to change . Obviously the lorax is such a stupid movie, and you can interpret it any way you want, but literally it stands true, if everyone is happy and thriving, what are we complaining about?

what late capitalism does to a mf

@ exactly

@ in the end, though, it doesn’t excuse how bad the B plot of the movie was.

Yes, exactly!!

Isn't art is also a useless nothing item??? Like seriously I don't find any reason why majority of people like music, painting, or even books except for just to having fun just like the thneed that everyone wore just to having fun, art is consumerism at it's finest

@@progunjack5556 the thneed isn't art, though, and the onceler didnt make it as art, he literally made it as a product to be sold, to make him rich, and nothing more. that is what makes it useless and nothing. His first attempts to sell it don't even work, so it's not like it had some inherent quality that made people like it.

@@progunjack5556 Well art can be educational as well. So it has a similar value to school or parents.

@@progunjack5556 It has been proven that Art can have a positive effect on the brain. a literal nothing-item does not.

Yep, typical Democrat. He probably thinks the solution to pedophilia is for little kids to stop tempting all those nice adults.

Yes👏👏👏

Precisely

Maybe if it was stolen from another poor person. Things aren’t that black and white

@@dyltube6395 youre just sidestepping the point of the comment lmao

his lore and science theories are pretty nice but i those ones are pretty *strange*

the classic doom guy speed, how rich is scrooge mcduck, value of hte bottle cap: classics

@@dayhawkify the scrooge mcduck one is definitely one of my favorites of all time

He acts like a bigwig way too much nowadays. It's all to appeal to his sponsors, he definitely only cares about money

Yea, I like to go back and watch the sciencey and mathsy ones. I love the rosalina theory and the hook shot breaking links arm :D I’ve liked some of the lore ones but I do miss the science

That’s a good way of looking at it

Idk it seems like mid 20's forum posters are the only people "confused" by that. Most people can comprehend when it's allegory and when it's haha silly animal is being animal simultaneously, including most of the literal children who watch these movies.

Yeah the way I see it is that the rat can be interpreted not as a commentary on class but simply as an underdog who is not expected to succeed. It is a kids movie after all, not a deep political commentary. Stealing may help this person in the short term but unless he learns how to be a true chef he won't be repected by the accomplished or human chefs. So in this case, yes, stealing would not be the right move when there are better ways to succeed and help your family

this comment is wrong. one time a rat snuck up on me and made me dance in front of my friends. i looked like a fool

420th like on ur comment 😊

It's called "Film Theory", I think it's safe to assume that the theory was based on the film.

@@fastodash5751 I understand where your coming from, but when you look at his recent Fnaf theories on GAME THEORY they are based off of the Fnaf books

I think MatPat saying things in an enthusiastically confidently conspiratorial voice makes both mundane and/or wrong things sound exciting and correct. He did one of Hazbin Hotel recently that was just so bad to the point he got names confidently wrong and creators of the show were calling him an idiot

He admits that was an embarrassing moment for him, film theory was relatively new at the time as well

@@fastodash5751 ummm then why he bring up the fucking book? lmaooo

Why

​@jared4505 If someone is at the point of needing to steal food in order to exist, it's 100% moral to steal food and the blame is on the system who put them in that position

Wrong, stealing is bad@@jakedanielsen4512

Its never moral to steal it might be understandable but its still not the right thing to do@@jakedanielsen4512

Definitely correct but I gotta put in the 🤓 face and be like ‘well what if it’s Caviar or Iberico Ham? They don’t need that!’

how about "Our natural tendencies as people are flawed and the only way to see social improvement is by collectively making a greater effort to make wiser investments."? There's a lot of different ways to look at consumerism, but your interpretation seems to imply that the only way out of a consumeristic nightmare is by stripping the individual of their freedom to choose. I don't buy that. I choose not to.

It made me reflexively twitch. I *haaaaate* it.

What about rejecting consumerism instead?

@@Ethan-tn4jc human nature isn't capitalism lol

@@ImperiaGin But the surge of endorphins awarded to the brain by the short term benefit of materialism is human nature. It’s just that humans don’t think very far into the future, because our most important instinct is survival which is a very short-term need. And that need has a synergistic relationship with capitalism. Even if buying a bunch of materialistic crap doesn’t equate at all to survival, the brain still thinks it does

Big Joel === evil morty? also Thought Slime videos make my life better

I like that you know this.

Your daily reminder that nowhere is safe, from the Eyeball Zone.

Never thought I'd find the eyeball zone in the wild like this

now THAT is an evil-genius move!

It's basically Mat seeing everything wrong with Capitalism and thinking "well it couldn't possibly be a flaw in Capitalism, a completely flawless system. Must be all the pool's fault."

Yeah. You could tell he was chuggin' that fountain water in his rhetoric.

You guys are probably supporting bezos by buying from Amazon. That’s what matpats point was. You’re hypocrites.

@@bennywolfe4357 What MatPat severely overlooks is the reality of manufactured consent that is produced by all great powers. What choice does a person really have when there are few effective checks and balances preventing Amazon from monopolizing markets, exploiting workers, and controlling prices as it has? Amazon is not the cheapest and most accessible option because of purely honest business practice; it has used unchecked cunning and tactics to run smaller businesses into the ground to ensure its monopoly on the commerce delivery market. The same goes for O'Hare and air, except he's even worse because he harms the environment to ensure people need his product. Where is the other option there? You can call it hypocrisy, because it is, but stopping there completely misses the bigger picture that the everyman's wallet does not realistically influence markets, as MatPat would have you believe, because people who have to worry about money often have to compromise for convenience and affordability to get by, even if they would truly prefer to put their money elsewhere.

@@bennywolfe4357 hypocrisy means nothing, a murderer can believe murder is wrong, that doesn’t mean that murder is right. I believe that Amazon is bad I have purchased a couple things from Amazon that doesn’t mean Amazon isn’t bad

Unironically fuck movie thanos. He is the most pretentious cliche character in all of existence

@@georgecoconut8164 minor spelling mistake

@@georgecoconut8164 yea comics Thanos didn’t make any pretentions for his motives; he made it clear what he wanted and embraces his villainy

True

@@georgecoconut8164 To be fair, MCU Thanos is characterized as a delusional narcissist. Nothing about him or his motivations are framed favorably. It's more that a few too many movie goers were so clever and high IQed that they missed the point of what they were watching

He does

It feels like the onceler simping happened years ago when I was a kid and that shit happened like 6 months ago

@@deadhookerproductions1068 I mean people were always simping for the Onceler, but the height of it was a few years back on tumblr lmao

Do it.

_Onecest_

i also really like the video where he try’s to figure out how many possible combinations you can make in super Mario maker

When theory's focus is on numbers or science, it tended to turn out pretty good... so most of his videos before...around 2013. His lore/narrative analysis "theories" on the other hand are MUCH better handled by other channels.

i remember his old majoras mask theory where he calculated out the moon! that's what i used to like his videos for

Honestly, I like those videos, but I have one big problem with them. They said that everyone from every district has the same base chance of winning, 1/24, when the books explicitly state that it’s not the case. I looked at the articles he cited to defend that point, none of them had anything to do with that, they were just articles related to the Hunger Games.

@@missmorbid1439 but that's mostly due to resource/culture. People in higher districts have access to better food, training and are also the fuckers who want the hunger games. So yeah, in the story is pretty weighted. But this is about YOU as an entirely hypothetical individual, and what traits would be the ones who keep you alive (it also just happens that being in top physical form is hard when you can only eat rats)

if you make a channel solely about theories with a semi-regular upload schedule you need to have at least some degree of confirmation bias, no matter how good at theorycrafting you are

Reptiles can love people. I don’t know what the fuck he’s talking about. Sure. They are NOT very smart. Admittedly. But they are capable of emotions and feelings, and many of them develop tangibly emotional connections to human beings, stimuli and daily activities in their lives as pets and rescue animals.

birds aren't reptiles, they're dinosaurs

@@scottwhitman9868 And what are dinosaurs, scott?

@@DJPantspis_er not reptiles

@@scottwhitman9868 Wtf are you talking about???

Because misinterpreting things is the whole point. He's just saying "Look, kids! Intellectual dishonesty is easy and fun!"

The point of these theories is shine light on the most absurd and unlikely possibility.

@@doddermodd There's no point in shining light on things that simply aren't there. Unless the point is to create an exercise in sophistry. But let's not kid ourselves, it's just clickbait. They're not "theories" or even "possibilities". He's literally just making shit up for clicks, then using tortured logic and mental gymnastics to come up with half-assed justifications.

@@neofromthewarnerbrothersic145 bro its the lorax hes just having a good time

​@@shasta_le_bab Hmmmm... I wonder why you cherry picked The Lorax and ignored the more serious stuff like Us. (Just kidding I know exactly why.) Yeah I'm sure he's having a great time making tons of money from suckering in impressionable kids that can't see through his brand of bullshit.

P.S. Just saw your comment about Universal. RIP. Those guys were RELENTLESS with my video.

Blaming the consumer for a predatory corporate tactics under a functional Monopoly is the financial equivalent of blaming a rape victim by saying, "Look at how you were dressed. What did you think was going to happen?" The whole reason why monopolies are bad is because they completely remove the consumer's ability to "Vote with their wallets". So yes, I feel your pain after watching that video. And frankly Matpat seems to have a disturbing undercurrent of anti-consumer philosophy in his videos in general.

A problem is that people blame capitalism for monopolies, while monopolies are the opposite of capitalism and come from government control.

Y’all need to realize that matpa…he doesn’t really put a lot of research into some of his videos? They are kinda click baity so with most things he prefers (probably true thing< crazier and more entertaining thing)

@@EvilSandwich okay you guys are getting a little out of hand. Matt patt, The film theory guy, is not prescribing a corporate agenda. You and the guy who made this video need a Twitter users anonymous meeting and you need it bad.

Or breathe air apparently lol

Makes him feel like a boomer lmao

"Always a bigger fish"

exact meme I was thinking of in this comment section, thank you

Yeah, sure, you need air to live. But buying air? Yeah that’s awful.

@@samkeiser9776 “vote with your breath” *suffocates*

same energy as ben shapiro saying people will simply sell their houses and move if the sea levels rise

@@CEDEREL matpat definitely seems like the type of guy to idolize shapiro for his “work ethic” and turn a blind eye to his transphobia IMO

tbf amazon exist

That’s literally what he did tho 💀. There is no real reason to hate him besides the fact that he has a lot of money.

@@cool_scorpio2588 well he doesn’t treat his workers right. If he was a hard working man AND treated his workers right then he would be good

@@cool_scorpio2588 Except he has extremely shoddy and downright destructive business practices. I understand you can't control the practices of the brands you host as Amazon, but Amazon employees are constantly overworked and suffering. Six employees have died since 2018, more have been seriously injured, and even more have reported mental health issues. Amazon has become one of the most infamously terrible companies to work for. Although Bezos is stepping away from Amazon, he was still responsible for ensuring safe and healthy working conditions for people when he was CEO. We can talk all day about how the very existence of billionaires is problematic, but the point is, Bezos did not do enough to protect the people that worked for him, the people that facilitated the amazing service that made Amazon the cartoonishly massive company it is.

@@LoryskaEntertainment and, I ask thee, the problem is?..

i mean he missed the part where selling air is literally the most stereotypically villainous capitalist thing to do

@@k.morningstar7983 nothing wrong with zillionaires 🥰 /s

you put exactly how i feel into words ! it all makes sense thank you

Ah, he suffers from the Reading Comprehension Devil

Tbh I kinda relate to the comprehension struggles sometimes lol

Tbh I kinda relate to the comprehension struggles sometimes lol

Fun fact, he just reads the scripts, a lot of those theories were written by someone else, he just “reviews” it for approval before recording the video. But obviously it wasnt always like that so clearly i agree with you. Just thought id add a little something to your comment 😁

its also extremely libertarian to not use paragraph breaks

Also you have to account for how many options you actually feasibly have. Some locales simply don’t have the luxury of avoiding certain products. Really, the argument ancaps give for how power wouldn’t be accumulated in their system is that the consumer could simply choose other products, but if one company owns the whole town that’s just silly. They would have to move (which is a big expense) to vote with their wallet?

"Vote with your dollar" is such a bullshit line. Like yeah, if you don't want Big Dairy to start selling BBQ sauce ice cream, then don't buy it. But imagine someone saying "if you don't like slavery, then don't buy them!"

If votes are dollars, then it follows that those with more dollars get more votes, and thus more say. Exactly what those libertarian ideologues want.

Yeah, it's so stupid even libertarians would've dropped that line if they only had 2 brain cells to rub together and thought about it for 10 seconds. If dollars = votes, than multi-billioners like Bezos or Musk have voting power of many millions of working class americans, and even average middle class american have voting power of hundreds if not thousands of poor people from poverty stricken countries like Haiti, Afghanistan, Syra etc.

CRYING

And well… Matpat man failed.

Oh he destroyed an enviorment endangering all humans living there and all the creatures in that enviorment? He's just misunderstood😒

@@lunarsprinkle6580 He's a literal slay queen. No choice but to stan.

Girlkeep gatelight gasboss

I think that's probably very accurate to what's going on. His early content seemed really genuine and interesting. I imagine he had a lot of ideas stored up from years of being a gamer and a nerd, and he went into it not expecting money but just the fun of the craft. Then as time went on, it became his job while he simultaneously started to run out of ideas from his stockpile. Now he's stuck on a schedule with something he might not be fully interested in, and all he can do is try to make a defense well enough within schedule.

yeah, I guess it all makes much more sense if you remember he has to deliver like 10 theories a month between all his channels. Especially with how produced and padded out all of his videos are. Like BJ says at the end of the video, the actual show is a bit of a prop for his bad jokes.

which video was that?

I agree. All of Jordan Peeles movies are about the black experience and racism in America. And I thought Us was definitely about race.

I thought Us definitely had themes about race but was meant to be more about class. But like, that's part of the point. You cannot discuss class in the United States without, on some level, also discussing race. The two are just too linked, both historically and currently. So any readings about the themes about class can (and probably should in most cases) be applied to race as well.

wrong, its very much about class, but Jordan understands you cannot have a discussion of class without race in the US (or really, most countries, actually). So saying it is about the black working class and not he white working class seems stupid - or maybe Jordan is a racist who also love oppression Olympics - who knows. You could just as easily say is has nothing to do with race, ut it has black peole as the main characters because hollywood underrepresents POC and Jordan wanted to do something about it because he is in a position to. Or maybe the movie is actually about why chocolate and PeanutButter taste good together.

The family above is black tho. Why can't black filmmakers talk about class?

I mean to me that whole bit just read as normal human behavior I know a good twist is something you have no reason to suspect until it's revelation makes you look at things differently but frankly I don't get the insistence that the difference between the thethers and those they are tethered to is obvious and noticeable when the twist is itself is based in the idea that the tethers to quote Joel are "just like literally exactly like 'US'"

Maybe it’s a purposeful misinterpretation, because that’s kinda the whole deal with Matpat and the theorist channels

Still stuns me how much of so called fans of Rick and Morty don't understand how much they're told Rick is an objectively dysfunctional character that likes to pretend he's a god and not a human.

@@Kimmie6772 I mean... it's a show that is *exceptionally* sympathetic to that dysfunction. We're constantly told Rick is a narcissistic arsehole, but shown that he is essentially heroic, if deeply cynical towards heroism. He is constantly shown to be correct, his cynicism is constantly validated. Though given Rick is a really transparent self-insert of Dan Harmon none of the above is particularly surprising.

Ouch, but yeah lmao

@@paultapping9510 Rick, floating through inter dimensional oblivion with no hope of survival: “oh please, dear god, please god save me, oh sweet dear god save me, please…” Rick, 5 minutes later once he has actually survived: “Yes! F*ck you there is no god!” Dude is clearly a hypocrite. He gets a lot wrong in that show, we even see how when the distractions subside his lifestyle has lead him to suicidal depression.

just a guy who could pay for ads that played everywhere

@@suryamohan3410 yeah thats also a good point dont matter who has the best ideas out there most of the time the one with the most money to buy ads will win

Hundred billion votes more than you actually.

Be less poor

No economic system is democratic. Nor should they be. But that's not the point. When people say to "vote with your wallet" they don't literally mean it's a voting system, it's a figure of speech. What they mean is that by depriving a seller of income and making them aware of the reason why, you can persuade said seller to change their practices in some way. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it does not. It doesn't matter how much money they have as nearly as much as it matters how much money they want to make in the future. It's an economic game of chicken and it can end either way. The only other alternative is government interference which can give even more mixed results depending on the competency and motives of the government.

I was there that day on the grassy knoll when Big Joel destroyed Matrick Patrick’s career. I will never forget

Makes sense when considering the amount of videos they have made in a wide range of media and topics.

@@AL-lh2ht 100% true. They kind of just have to make a video, and not all of them are going to be right, and you can poke holes in every single one besides the science ones, and even then you end up with 3ft tall pikman. It’s is just so posed to be a vessel to explain a topic in a fun way, as well as entertain.

I remember watching a video on their creative process, and it seems like they plan the games/films first and then construct a theory during the writing stage

They are not victims, its just lore about fictional worlds, no one should put such big value on being right or wrong about lore that some guy on their jammies was typing out at 3am to finish a deadline, even if those writers can be really good. at the end of the day, they are human, its not real. they are, fictional worlds. the only thing bad film or game theories show us, is that there is a lot of mentally deranged people that put way too much value on ART being right or wrong, instead of being interpretative. Which is how it should be, that's why we have fanboys and fandoms, and people that will idolize anyone, I'm sure a lot in here idolize big joel. Its okay to have big issues with how media is taken. But there is a fundamental difference in matpat being wrong about the lore of a franchise, and big joel, talking about the human person, Matpat, and why he thinks in 1 way or the other and trying to make him seem like a villain. Even if he will point out at the start and say, oh i don't hate you matpat, i kind of respect you then proceeds to again, put more value on fictional worlds, than a real human being and is willing to make a bunch of leaps to defend remy from rattatouille, but wont make any leap to defend why matpat would think in 1 way or the other, i mean if big joel had made any research he would know, game theory film theory, are big and they have writers that write scripts, and matpat doesn't do all. So would have been a good way to start by calling out the channel, instead of the person right? but no, he wants to make it personal. cause he doesn't care about the difference of misinformation about fictional worlds, and real life persons. And also matpat has said plenty times, he doesn't like all his theories, but at the end of the day is about making an alternative story that is entertaining. You can watch one of his videos and NOT take it to heart. Like he can say Mario is mental, and you don't have to stop consuming Mario games, cause that is wrong... You can just take it as a fun little side story that is obviously a leap, even if it isn't, cause who the fuck cares, its FICTION.

I think you hit the nail on the head. I still frequently watch the Theory channels and I haven't seen any that are quite as bad as these recently so, that's something at least. Matpat has also been open about "not always believing every theory he makes," which may or may not be a convenient hand wave, I don't know.

Love your videos Zoe (and your cats)!

The Crossover I didn't know I needed :o

I prefer wasps

An interpretation channel for kids is still a pretty noble endeavour. I used to watch MatPat back in the day and I still think he's a good KZfaqr - it's just that I'm too old for his content now.

@@TheMessiahOfPoo Who the fuck likes wasps

Yeah, that is in fact Remy's father's whole point; he doesn't see what they do as stealing, because they're taking things that humans have already thrown out

It also ties into the main themes of the movie, one of which is about poverty and the struggle between the elite and the rest of us. One of the main villains is an elitist food critic who is defeated by a food that symbolizes a simple way of life held by the poor.

@@Mathee even legally speaking, if the food has been placed in a dumpster you actually give up your legal rights to it as long as it is in that dumpster. its why dumpster diving is completely legal, long as you do it in public lots

@@phil8910 no you are wrong it changes from state to state and from country to country From what I know in most states the shop owns things in the dupster

@@ambustio9807 yeah I heard this

he later said in relation to that video that it was a joke, i think

Exactly, libs have 0 understanding of nuance

@@jenm1 explains

@@jenm1 liberals are pro-capitalism?

@@jenm1 I feel like you've gotten yourself very confused.

@@jackweaver1846 NeoLiberalism is very much a pro-capitalist mentality.

This is exactly why his Sans is Ness video is such garbage and meme’d on all the time.

@@Linkbrawler9000 I mean, even mat himself jokes about how terrible it is sooooo.....

@@qwertydavid8070 He also joked (while being disparaging towards Persona fans) about his Persona video where he was so wrong about the lore it wasn't even fun. Sooooo.... All jokes aside, when you have as much pull as MatPat you have to be more careful about what you say. I don't think MatPat fully understands that considering examples brought up in this video.

@@wardrobewings8000 Fair point, I will agree with you on that. Apart from ending every video with the signature "it's just a theory" catchphrase, matpat doesn't make it clear in his videos that people shouldn't take everything he says absolutely seriously. He certainly expresses it during the livestreams, but I don't see much of it in the actual videos themselves, which causes most of the problems. The only videos I keep up with are the ones more focused on actual science, and the ones that are meant to be jokes (eg. baby shark is adopted), but the lore ones are just better to ignore. He gets most of it right, but there are some assumptions here and there that he pulls out of thin air, or out of very weak connections. And when you're known in the internet as the "funny lore man", anything that you say about a game's lore is going to hugely affect the entire fanbase.

@Zoe Collette didn’t he post some really distasteful game theory about what characters would survive coronavirus around that time?

That's kinda the exact opposite of what you're supposed to do when forming a hypothesis

Sadly it’s not an uncommon phenomena. People often tweak facts to fit a hypothesis rather than the other way around. When he only did Game Theory it was more charming as it at least elevated the discourse of the medium of the bit. Film Analysis is a long extant discipline though

​@@justtheoneofme159 okay boo hoo he's rich

​@@shjilz I don't think this is meant to be a defense of MatPat's shit quality, merely an observation. Perhaps one could even call it.... A theory.

​@@SeymourDisapproves A Theory Theory!

Lore dives work for shit like From Soft, but he does it for a lot of stuff where it seems like he’s pulling it out of his ass. And I say that as someone who still occasionally watches his shit, because he’s still entertaining.