Santa Cruz Heckler SL Review: Light, Fast and Fun

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Santa Cruz goes lightweight with the Heckler SL. With a Fazua Ride 60 drivesystem and Santa Cruz DNA all throughout, you know this thing rips. Plus, it's incredibly purple. Stick around to see if it's the right bike for you.
As always you can read the written review here - bebikes.com/the-hub/heckler-s...
0:00 Intro
0:38 Heckler SL Geometry and Builds
1:50 Fazua Ride 60
3:53 Ride Review - Uphill
7:40 Ride Review - Downhill
10:42 Comparisons
12:30 Who is the Heckler SL for?

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@chuckg1177 10 ай бұрын

Bikers Edge your overall video production, including your information, is superb. Well done, sir.

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

Hey thanks. I appreciate that!

@REB4444 11 ай бұрын

Thank you again for the no nonsense, here are the facts and then the having the ability to tell us about the nuances that makes each bike different. You also are spot on who should look at these bikes and who they are for. You know what YOU like in a bike and the type of riding YOU do so you don't let it cloud your judgement. I'm not yet ready for an ebike YET, but that time will come soon, lol.

@bikersedge 11 ай бұрын

I wasn’t ready either. Then I rode one and was instantly ready. Now I ride them about 1/3 of the time.

@craigsteele8178 2 ай бұрын

You guys are one of my favourite bike critique critics on the globe. Great detailed information that has helped me make an actual decision on attaining an E bike. I thank you for that. Great job guys.

@bikersedge 2 ай бұрын

Glad you like the videos! Love hearing that.

@whitest_kyle 10 ай бұрын

Definitely agree with you on the Fazua power delivery, it's one of the main reasons I picked the Fuel EXe when demoing it against the Relay.

@romma11 7 ай бұрын

Exe is electrically more inefficient compared to competition,

@davefreeman9347 10 ай бұрын

Love this emerging and quickly growing category of bikes, I recently bought the Trek fuel EXe best bike I have ever had hands down ( although this is my first e-bike so maybe bias) at 42 and a fairy fit/strong rider I bought it as I wanted to maximise trail time when i get my windows to ride with a busy lifestyle, it’s absolutely perfect as it does not feel like a tank like full fat eMTB’S and feels very similar to an acoustic bike and the fact the TQ motor is almost completely silent is a real bonus The Heckler looks like a great bike, great review.

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

So good to see ebikes progress so quickly.

@derSebov 10 ай бұрын

Best and most detailed review so far! Thanks a lot!

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@derSebov 10 ай бұрын

@@bikersedge it was too good. Ordered a Heckler SL 😃

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

Amazing. You’re going to love it.

@mikeyp3694 11 ай бұрын

Gateway E-biker....love it. In my early 50s I'm not there yet but curious. This "getting closer to an analog feel" is really encouraging to see. Great review!

@bikersedge 11 ай бұрын

Hey thanks. It’s great seeing all the progress and options in the ebike category.

@legyvanmaster 10 ай бұрын

Enduro e-mtb`s are not for old people...Will you ride the trails in your 70s or what??? They are offering much more fun. Who says that e-mtb bike is for lazy people, don t know shit. Lazy people will be lazy in any sport.

@SunsPSD1 9 ай бұрын

Thank you for the well-done review. I'm pretty tickled with my Relay but might have gone with the Heckler SL if it had been available at the time just because I'm mullet only on e-bikes and the removable battery personally does me little good, and I do rather care about weight. Would love to get a frame/ battery/ motor weight comparison between the Heckler SL & the Relay. The built-in bash guard on the Relay seems like a huge advantage, as does dropper insertion. PS. The Relay works MUCH better with a coil shock as the LR is just too progressive to work well with an air shock.

@Table_Topper_Tony 11 ай бұрын

I’m so glad I got my Transition Relay and beyond happy with it. The Relay just gives you a bunch of options: mullet or 29er, coil or air shock, 170 or 160 mm of travel, annnddd removable battery for park or shuttle days. I love that I can take the battery out! The heckler SL looks sick af but me personally I’m glad I went with the relay.

@hammertime7740 11 ай бұрын

People love that relay. Easily swapping out batteries would be a key feature to me.

@bikersedge 11 ай бұрын

The Relay is so versatile!

@_Jake.From.Statefarm_ 10 ай бұрын

@@bikersedge Is the Heckler SL coil compatible too? That is one thing that I'm concerned with on the new Levo SL. I have a 2019 levo and I'd need to get a high end coil for it to be compatible with the side load. It would be interesting to see the difference between the Levo SL and Heckler SL in your future comparison.

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

@home2roost Heckler SL is coil compatible.

@fleetgt 10 ай бұрын

Still original motor in your Relay? I'm waiting on my 3rd replacement motor. Horrible quality.

@mhowell13 10 ай бұрын

Thank you for including these "lighter" e bikes with the Heckler SL and Transition on the primary channel. They seem like great bikes that build a bridge to analog bikes

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

I think the e channel is going to go away soon. There’s been way less e hate on the main channel lately.

@urmamaha 10 ай бұрын

Awesome looking bike! Would love to get your opinion and thoughts on this bike vs the Relay PNW. Hopefully will be picking up one next spring. I enjoy the content and keep it coming!

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

That comparison is in this review.

@JJ_MTB_15 10 ай бұрын

Great review

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

Hey thanks!

@iErnest85 10 ай бұрын

If Santa Cruz hasn't paid you yet for this video, then they most definitely should, and A LOT! Great Review! Thank You!

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

Will you reach out and ask them where my paycheck is?

@iErnest85 10 ай бұрын

@@bikersedge On it.

@lsa20k 3 ай бұрын

Always having a great time watching your reviews 😂 Riding the bike since October. Only complaint: Not getting dialled the rear suspension (especially compared to my Trek Slash). Have you tried a Vivid once? For the Bronson there is a special tune Vivid available. Thx

@bikersedge 3 ай бұрын

I’ve ridden the vivid on other bikes. Not on the Heckler SL. While a different shock can help it’s not going to make a huge difference in the big picture.

@rudik5496 10 ай бұрын

Great Vid!!! When you do your future test on light e-bike, it would be great if you had the Mondraker Neat please.

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

Hey thanks. We don’t carry mondraker. Won’t be able to make it happen.

@rudik5496 10 ай бұрын

@@bikersedge well… that’s that sorted then. ;-) thank you for taking the time to reply. Still VERY much looking forward to the test: your videos are all very nice (nice balance of technical and personal view)

@gregoryjhickman 9 ай бұрын

Your reviews are seriously the most helpful. Your use case of busy dad and using e-bike to more so get as many laps as possible on short time resonated. Im looking at heckler SL but also regular heckler. My situation is like yours ( biz owner, dad, limited time) but I love the idea of potential 40+ mile epic. Just not sure how frequently that would happen. You seem to be preferring SL over regular is that right?

@bikersedge 9 ай бұрын

Glad you like them! I'm a big fan of the way the SL ebikes ride. I appreciate how much easier they are to maneuver and jump - so yes, I'd probably prefer that over the big one. I'm also torn by the range thing, though - But I'm in a bit of a lucky spot where I can always borrow a big ebike for those big days if needed.

@gregoryjhickman 9 ай бұрын

@@bikersedge is the regular heckler a similar feel overall minus the weight? Seemed so from your review.

@bikersedge 9 ай бұрын

@@gregoryjhickman yes it’s similar but the 10lb difference is huge in terms of ride quality.

@Stockfish1511 10 ай бұрын

Looking to buy emtb by the end of the year. Right now this and trek rail 9.8 gen 4 are contenders. Hard to choose haha

@wizzywizzua 11 ай бұрын

what a lovely review! thanks! I wonder how much altitude you can gain on a single charge with such a battery capacity

@bikersedge 11 ай бұрын

It will vary so much based on your weight, the grade of your climbs, how much assistance you use, etc…

@markf4968 10 ай бұрын

Wow, looks awesome thanks! Just turned 55 so an ebike is something I'm considering.

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

Right on!

@William.N 10 ай бұрын

You had me at purple! I just wish there was a non-mullet version. I'm still not sold on mullet for my riding.

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

I don't think it's as big of a difference that it's made out to be. Unless, of course, you're short and need the butt to tire clearance. For taller folks, the difference isn't huge.

@vidibites 9 ай бұрын

This is the spec I’d go for, but in matte silver. I wish they had a couple more color options.

@TeamCykelhold 11 ай бұрын

nice ride. more SL bikes is good. loving this trend.

@bikersedge 11 ай бұрын

Same. It’s great to see more options.

@megane230f1 11 ай бұрын

Ive rode many full powered e bikes and wouldnt pick any of them over a levo SL i test rode

@bikersedge 11 ай бұрын

Now try this one with a mid-power drivesystem.

@TeamCykelhold 10 ай бұрын

I'm loving my trek fuel exe. I guess it's a midpowered SL. Almost no cost (in fun) on the downs, but lots more fun when going up.

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

Nice!

@fredboudreaux9663 5 ай бұрын

Great video. Now I have to rethink my next bike. This might be perfect?

@bikersedge 5 ай бұрын

Pretty perfect for me!

@237311 10 ай бұрын

Useful video. Id love hear your thoughts on this. I'm considering the Orbea Rise, which is known for its lightweight build. I primarily ride trails, including singletracks and fireroads, without any extreme jumps. While I have experience with traditional analog MTBs, this will be my first eMTB. I'm looking for an e-bike that maintains the nimble, poppier, and playful feel of a regular MTB. At the moment, battery range isn't my top concern.

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

We’ve got a bunch of videos on the rise. Go check those out.

@237311 10 ай бұрын

@@bikersedge During your test ride with the Heckler SL, did you encounter any issues with the motor?

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

@@237311 none. It’s been working perfectly the entire time. Same with the Relay and Skitch.

@slackadave 10 ай бұрын

Great Review, dammit! Just when i thought the Transition Relay might have been my forever bike, then this one comes out... If you where on a deserted island and had to choose one bike to ride only - which one would you choose?! Santa Cruz SL or Transition Relay?

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

We’ve got the showdown coming out soon!

@HD-on2eg 10 ай бұрын

Excellent review. I’m currently riding a Santa Cruz Nomad 170mm front and rear bike, and I love it. I’m 51 years old and the climbing part ain’t getting easier. In your honest opinion, will this Heckler SL still give me a nice plush ride on the DH, and be lively and easy to jump? I like to ride rough DH and jump off anything possible. Could this be the bike for me?

@mtb_3930 9 ай бұрын

Yes dude. Get it

@sun_dreaming 6 ай бұрын

I'm in the same boat with wanting to switch from a Nomad. Not sure if this bike or the Bullit would make more sense

@LivingInTheBayAreaToday 8 ай бұрын

I just tried the Heckler and then rode the SL. This review really helps!! Thanks. BTW have you "tried" fitting a 29 in the back?

@bikersedge 8 ай бұрын

No I haven’t tried. I’m a fan of the MX on an ebike. Didn’t see a need to mess with it.

@LivingInTheBayAreaToday 8 ай бұрын

@@bikersedge Thanks. I'm on the other side. Not a fan of the mullet. Visually I can't wrap my head around it. I should have never tried it. LOL.

@dadventuretv2538 10 ай бұрын

So curious to get your thoughts: If you already owned and were planning to keep you Bronson for regular riding on local trail and places where ebikes are not allowed, but wanted an emtb for big mountain, gnarly rides that would either be out of reach on an analog or you just want to do more of them, which way would you go: 1. Lighter weight emtb of Heckler SL or Relay or 2. Full power, full on emtb of the Ibis Oso (I got to demo one and holy cow was it awesome and fit so well). These are really the only contenders for me, Im just torn on whether to get something more similar to what I have but electrified or get something that provides a bit of a different ride experience.

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

We did a lightweight vs full power video a few years ago. You could go check that out. It’s probably time for us to revisit that topic though with all the new progress.

@IIISentorIII 11 ай бұрын

Beautiful landscape @6:28 may I ask where this is for my bucket list? I ride Scott Genius and Specialized Stumpjumper (Bio). But I tested the SCOTT Lumen eRIDE 910 Bike and I really like where those E-Bikes are going. Cheers from Switzerland

@bikersedge 11 ай бұрын

American Fork Canyon in Utah. Great spot for bikes.

@IIISentorIII 10 ай бұрын

@@bikersedge Cheers.

@haydnwilliams 10 ай бұрын

Would love to know how this compares to the Bronson in terms of ride. If it’s the same then I’m sold! Loved my Bronson so would drop my Rise in the blink of an eye for an electric version.

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

I mean it’s not going to be identical but is going to be as close as it gets for an ebike.

@bspan5380 4 ай бұрын

I am torn between the heckler sl and giant trance x advanced e+2….. you did two great reviews on these bikes. Unfortunately, I can’t ride either due to being out of stock locally and a need to order. Can you recommend one over the other? I’m a 50 year old Dad, coaching a NICA MTB team with back issues (due to a MTB wreck) primarily wishing to stay with the pack. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks.

@bikersedge 4 ай бұрын

Are you asking about the Trance X Elite? Or the full power? Have you seen the lightweight ebike showdown? That would be a good place to start. We also did a lightweight vs full power ebike video a while back. That could help if you’re deciding between the heckler SL and the full power Trance.

@jmh3571 10 ай бұрын

Have you ridden the Pivot Shuttle SL yet? It has the same power system and I would be curious on your thoughts on how it compares to this bike and the others you mentioned.

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

I haven’t ridden it. We don’t carry pivot at the shop.

@martinvala9620 10 ай бұрын

Great review ... is it size XL? How high is your saddle from the center of the cranks to the top edge of the saddle. Thank you

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

Hey thanks. Yes it’s XL. I run my saddle at 800mm with 170mm cranks.

@HD-on2eg 10 ай бұрын

What are your thoughts on the rear suspension feel of the heckler SL vs. the Transition relay? Which feels more plush? Which is easier to get airborne?

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

Check out the comparison section of this video. I answer those exact questions.

@battleboardstudios6952 10 ай бұрын

You said the Relay was putting more chatter through to the rider. Did you ride the PNW version with the fox 38 or the base version with the 36? I just demod the PNW version yesterday and the fork was the plushest thing I had ever ridden.

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

I rode the regular build. I’m commenting more about the rear suspension than the fork when I say that.

@MrDavecore777 10 ай бұрын

Overall seems like a top contender in the category, your numbers i.e 16 miles with 4500ft very in full boost. How much can you squeeze the system on longer days?

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

It was 16 with 4k. Range can vary so much by rider weight, terrain and tires/setup. It’s tough to put a number on it.

@NocSuKow 3 ай бұрын

would you take this over the gas gas ee6/mxc6? thanks!

@bikersedge 3 ай бұрын

Haven't ridden the MXC6, but the Heckler is so radically different than the ECC6. Tough to make any sort of comparison.

@OceansideCreations 10 ай бұрын

Where are you riding? Are any of these shots at jacobs ladder in drapper?

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

Yup. This is all corner canyon and American fork.

@Eelcodocter 10 ай бұрын

What's the walk mode like for the steep bits you couldn't clear?

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

I didn’t need to use it. The bike is light enough it’s easy to push up the hill. Fazua does have a walk mode though.

@myfeds101 9 ай бұрын

On the cusp of pressing the button on the full fat heckler which I know you loved - how does it compare to the sl and which one did you prefer?

@bikersedge 9 ай бұрын

Working on that showdown currently. In the meantime I’d go check out our full power vs lightweight emtb video. That breaks down the differences between the two styles.

@myfeds101 9 ай бұрын

@@bikersedge thanks man. Just spotted a great deal on the full power and couldn’t resist! Fingers crossed I’ve made the right decision 🤞

@myfeds101 9 ай бұрын

@@bikersedge so looks like I can only get hold of the 29 version. How does it compare in terms of poppieness against the mx? Harder get off the ground etc? Saw that you say they’re both quite close and you should go for whatever you can get. Thanks again!

@bikersedge 9 ай бұрын

@@myfeds101 we have a heckler MX vs 29 video. Go check that out.

@jimm244 11 ай бұрын

Is there a range extender? Would I need one to hit the SG desert for 4 hours?

@bikersedge 11 ай бұрын

No range extender. Range will vary so much based on elevation gain, rider weight, assistance level, the color underwear you have on…. There’s not really a finite number to put on it. This bike does really well with range though.

@johnwilliamson9453 10 ай бұрын

Have you any experience with the Spesh Kenevo SL?

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

No. We don’t carry specialized.

@fahmisyanizar909 11 ай бұрын

how do you use the battery?

@bikersedge 11 ай бұрын

With the power switch

@carriehi3783 10 ай бұрын

Would you prefer a Trek Fuel Exe or this bike in regards to hill power?

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

I mean this has more power and range. But I’ve never ridden the Trek so I can’t speak to that one.

@jhonz2973 10 ай бұрын

@@bikersedgeWhich one would you own? Heckler SL or Transition Relay?

@mhowell13 10 ай бұрын

Now that Yeti dropped some LR models on the 120, maybe we'll get a BE review of one? 😂

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

Still working on that. Lots of videos in the hopper first.

@mhowell13 10 ай бұрын

@bikersedge, I appreciate your fast replies; Excited for whatever is in the hopper.

@BlakeDriesler 10 ай бұрын

Hell Ya! Thank god I waited and didn't get the relay.

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

Different strokes for different folks. The Relay is so versatile.

@jessehill3780 10 ай бұрын

When you compare to the relay it would help to know which version. Was it the 160/160 or the PNW version.

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

Standard. It’s the second most recent video on our channel. You can go watch the full review.

@jessehill3780 10 ай бұрын

@@bikersedge ok I’d be curious how it compares to the PNW spec since there isn’t a bullit sl

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

@jessehill3780 I haven’t ridden that version so I can’t really say. I don’t know how big of a difference 10mm more travel will make in the big picture.

@jessehill3780 10 ай бұрын

@@bikersedge true. I guess I’m just surprised the heckler sl at 150 feels softer than the relay. The relay at 26% progressive rate and 170mm I’d think it puts it more in the Nomad/Bullit class

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

@jessehill3780 more travel doesn’t necessarily equate to more plushness. It’s all in the kinematics. You could have a 100mm travel bike that rides more plush than a 170 bike - not that it actually exists. But it could.

@michaelmann3636 10 ай бұрын

What about the Pivot Shuttle LT❓

@phattysnow 10 ай бұрын

they arent a pivot dealer

@mdh8430 10 ай бұрын

Do you know if Santa Cruz offers a range extender?

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

No range extender

@nateisright 10 ай бұрын

Fazua is developing one right now.

@ThunderStruckMTB 10 ай бұрын

As long as they keep the cables out of the headset, they can design whatever they want to. Full power, partial power, hell, maybe someday they'll be crazy enough to put a motor in a gravel bike... Nah, no one would do that...

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

Thank god they put the cables where they’re supposed to go! 🤣

@Montezuma0 10 ай бұрын

How tall are you? I’m 6’4 and kinda in between XL and XXL

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

I’m 6’2”

@petedog9581 11 ай бұрын

I have seen you ride other eMTB's and I could tell you were really railing it on the Heckler.

@bikersedge 11 ай бұрын

Easy to do on this bike.

@frienduro24 11 ай бұрын

Look at an E-bike from 5 years ago and then this. Night and day. Seems like the e-bike road to improvements is climbing rapidly. I’m a bit shocked the industry is still pushing them hard with this current bike market climate and crappy economy.

@bikersedge 11 ай бұрын

Ebike progress has been amazing in the last couple of years.

@mudkayak6305 10 ай бұрын

want

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

Need

@user-rj9ui3sz8u 10 ай бұрын

Nice to see E bikes are getting lighter. Lifting a 50lb bike in and out of my truck with a blown out back doesn't sound fun. You do lose some performance though with the smaller motor and battery of course.

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

Sure you lose some torque but the benefits outweigh the costs in my opinion. The ride quality is unmatched.

@user-rj9ui3sz8u 10 ай бұрын

@@bikersedge Sounds like Santa Cruz nailed it with this Heckler.

@ioannisparaskevopoulos1120 11 ай бұрын

Awesome good looking bike, but I am going with the full power Orbea Wild...just wish it were mullet!

@bikersedge 11 ай бұрын

Good choice!

@ioannisparaskevopoulos1120 11 ай бұрын

@@bikersedge 👍

@timwatson8806 10 ай бұрын

This or Transition Relay?

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

Stay tuned for the showdown

@supplemtb7167 10 ай бұрын

Titan x3 rack?

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

No. Just some wholesale distributor’s rack here in SLC.

@matiagachaelomocom 10 ай бұрын

Hi guy, how tall r u? thanks

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

I’m 6’2”

@SpencerBaum 10 ай бұрын

It is NOT ok that the base model is 8k. What is santa Cruz smoking?

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

It’s 7299, so really not out of line for a carbon ebike.

@SpencerBaum 10 ай бұрын

@@bikersedge yeah, but the build is atrocious

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

I wouldn't call that atrocious. You're getting good suspension components, decent wheels, and the same carbon frame, motor, and battery. The drivetrain isn't great, but luckily, that's one of the easiest and cheapest things to upgrade. A quick Google search shows the Heckler SL is very in touch with other big brands' pricing for a carbon ebike.

@deanemberley2333 2 ай бұрын

@@SpencerBaumdon’t comment if you don’t know what you are talking about

@ShitStefanShoots 10 ай бұрын

Yeah - 27.5 in the rear is a nono for me, especially in size XL

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

Works really well on an ebike.

@ShitStefanShoots 10 ай бұрын

@@bikersedge I get the math: smaller wheel + same torque = better acceleration traded in for a little less range. Still a NoNo (6'5" here)

@_Jake.From.Statefarm_ 10 ай бұрын

@@ShitStefanShoots I think a 29" can be used in the low setting but I'm not 100%.

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

Not the case. Only 27.5 for the rear.

@_Jake.From.Statefarm_ 10 ай бұрын

@@bikersedge Ah not enough clearance in the low position? That's weird most brands allow for the bigger wheel like the V10.

@albalah 11 ай бұрын

@phattysnow 10 ай бұрын

Dibs on this demo bike when Connor is done with it.

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

You’ll have to pry it from my cold dead hands.

@corynebeker6742 10 ай бұрын

I'd call dibs on it but I already got his Rocky Mountain PP demo bike.

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

Say hello to it for me. I still miss that one.

@vashusan1984 10 ай бұрын

Smuggling some ebike laps up at PCMR I see...😉

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

That was with the battery removed for the Relay. They let me on the lift. None of the Heckler stuff was at PC.

@vashusan1984 10 ай бұрын

@@bikersedge Fair play, I haven't seen the Relay video yet. I did notice it wasn't on Heckler. Not tryin' to bust chops. I see them all the time up there despite the signage.

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

@vashusan1984 I try to keep things above board. At least on this channel. 🤣

@Chuckolicious 10 ай бұрын

Ugh, of the two comparisons, the obvious new Levo SL wan't one of them???? Sheesh!!!

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

Nah. We like good bikes over here! 🤣🤣

@Chuckolicious 10 ай бұрын

@@bikersedge Oy vey 🤦🏼‍♂

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

Haha. Just giving you a hard time. We don't carry specialized at the shop. Haven't ridden one.

@user-dm9qq5vo5z 10 ай бұрын

Almost sounds like a Bronson with a motor

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

Pretty much

@advwxyz 4 ай бұрын

"Lighter..."

@nateisright 10 ай бұрын

I wonder if the bike industry rebranded these as EV bikes could I get a taxpayer subsidy? 🤔

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

At one point I swear Utah was doing a rebate for buying one. I could be crazy but it seems like something I heard.

@skiMTB 10 ай бұрын

SL-MTB'S are the latest fad... and understandably so. BUT, we are NOT there yet; in terms of overall weight. 40 pounds IS NOT LIGHT! NO MATTER WHAT! Until someone can make a (under) 30 pound FULL SUSPENSION bike... NOTHING WILL COMPARE to a full race ANALOG bike.

@xav_1029 10 ай бұрын

It’s hard to get an regular size L trail bike under 30 with durable parts and tires. How tf you going to go that low with a motor? For reference, my carbon Ripley with Enve wheels, exo+ tires, and Tannus insert on rear weighs over 30 with pedals.

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

Well of course it won’t compare. There are trade offs to be had. You could also argue that the opposite way and say a 21 lb full race analog bike will never compare to a 51 lb 85nm ebike. Apples and oranges. Progress is certainly being made though.

@skiMTB 10 ай бұрын

@xav_1029 I hear you. My Pivot 429 LIVE VALVE weighs 29... actually, a tick under. And even IF adding a rear 750 wh HUB and battery, I think I'd be right around the weight of an Orbea Rise... or S-WORKS KENEVO SL. Still NOT over 40 pounds.

@bikersedge 10 ай бұрын

@skiMTB that battery alone is going to weigh almost 10lb. That doesn’t even include the motor.

@skiMTB 10 ай бұрын

@bikersedge fair enough. I admit... I truly prefer my 56 pound e-mtb... over my PIVOT 429 LIVE VALVE... or even my S-WORKS TURBO CREO EVO (turned into flat bar configuration).