👑Joy

Jason Taylor’s sister

How about no?

He had Dante scarnecia and a franchise left tackle his entire career

​@@UpChuckTheBoogieit doesn't seems like you read the comment, try reading it again

Great point that’s why he’s the GOAT

He had some good o lines always had a left tackle and a good center great o line coach.Dillion ran it for 1600 yards I'd say the line was pretty good

@@UpChuckTheBoogie The Patriots have had mediocre personnel at OL throughout Belichick's tenure. Probably the only noteworthy players are Matt Light and Logan Mankins. What I said about Brady making the OL look better (far better) applies to Light, too. He was never one of the best LTs in the league talent-wise and largely got the credit he did because he was a long-time blindside protection of Brady. As for Mankins, he was a run-blocking guard, and pass-blocking wasn't his forte - especially toward the end of his career. And Nate Solder a "franchise left tackle"? LOL. Look at how elite he looked for the Giants. If you think Solder was a franchise left tackle, then I really do not know what to say, as we are watching a different game. He was a pylon for most of his career. Above all, you ignore my fundamental point that pass-blocking efficiency is often primarily the function of the QB; that's why it's a commonplace to say now that sacks are a QB stat. If you have a QB who can diagnoses blitzes and then get rid of the ball quickly like Brady, then the OL grading can be unreasonably inflated. The same thing works the reverse, too. Some guys who get sacked a lot - most "dual threat" QBs - cannot read a basic defense and also hold onto the ball forever either because they cannot throw with anticipation or trust their legs too much. Those guys make otherwise fine OLs look awful. Again, can you answer my Cassel example? If the Patriots had such a great OL, then how come they gave up the most sacks in the NFL the year Brady didn't play? Finally, you are missing the frame of the discussion: The idiot in the video said that Brady had a "fantastic" OL. If he said, "decent" or even "good" then my objection wouldn't have been so harsh. Words matter. But then you claim that Nate Solder was a "franchise left tackle," so perhaps you do not use words in a meaningful way.

Lol Belichick literally felt and was on record for saying he could have won with any QB in the league. The before and after records cannot be ignored because he himself thought it was all him and he said that sort of nonsense. Exposed

He was good at working with what he was given but now people are exaggerating his greatness. Tom Brady and Drew Bledsoe are two of the most sacked QBs in the history of the league.

As a dolphins fan I know Dante scarnecchia is a gangsta

@@Shua321 facts

You could see the difference when Dante Scarnechhia first retired and the Pats got clapped in 2015 by the Broncos and then unretired and then they went on to win 2 more superbowls.

He was good. The Patriots offense for so long utilized quick slot receivers & screen passes for success on offense that it would be very difficult for me to give him too much credit. Just being honest 💯🤷.

Cecil Musick Tom Flores won two Super Bowls with Jim Plunkett. Not a bad job.

That's a good point

She didn’t say coaches couldn’t win Super Bowls with average QB’s. She said great coaches aren’t great coaches without great QB’s.

@@knight7se7en Your statement makes no sense. You're statement is double talk, She asked what head coach has won over a 10 yr period without a great QB. And the answer is Joe Gibbs who won 3 Super Bowls with not "great" QB's.

@@sportsretrospective6759 j pm K9

Dr. Joy Taylor don’t play, she’s one of the best minds in sports talk

She’s been in the business for a while. And her brother is a hall of famer (I think)

@@neo1343 Correct. HOFer Jason Taylor

@@kristianzambrana7301 if by best minds you mean worst minds then i agree

Man she’s talking that talking been saying this for years with the debate coaching and GM’n mattered for Brady

🫘??? 😳 …….🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

oh I wouldn't say that

They wouldn’t have won another SB with Tom…the team wasn’t solid like it had been.

@@deciuswtasby It's not about winning another SB with Tom. It's more like wrapping their success together and there wouldn't even be an opportunity for Brady to prove himself. Since he let the genie out of the bottle and Brady won a SB without him his 1st year, it proves that Belichick was riding on Brady's coattail all this time.

@@JohnSmith-nj4zq if you believe that you clearly didn’t watch them over the last 20 years like they rest of us lol. Tom doesn’t catch his own passes, block, kick, or play defense….so if it’s “ALL” about Tom why did they lose to a back up QB and get punked by the giants twice?

Addition*

@@peacewilliam-west2249 I don't think that was a mistake lol

Acho is very irritating, trying to sound smart rather than making valid points.

Keep Joy get rid of Shady and bring back Marcellus

@@peacewilliam-west2249 ?

No other QBs

Giselle was bring home more bread than Brady. What other QB’s wife could say that??

@@TreWimsical he did that before Giselle too

​@diantewimes9465 Brady was rich bro. You acting like Giselle was paying his bills.

​​@@TreWimsicalTom Brady didn't get married to giselle until 2010 Tom Brady is already in the league for 12 years before he got married

wasnt she on S&S:undisputed?

Joy was a good ying to Colin's yang.

I’m glad there were people who appreciated her on there when Colin was the only one getting all of the credit . She’s a force in this industry

NE division was garbage and Tampa Bay Division is cheeks but they had a great team that needed a change at QB. These guys are smoking something illegal to think its all Brady. This arguement is dumb

@@cagedragnarok1781 It obviously is Brady or else those things would not have been done. The NFL helped a little too...

I also hate when people talk about the AFC East like Brady wasn't consistently beating them into the ground. Brady didn't take advantage of the AFC East being bad, Brady MADE the AFC East bad.

@@knight7se7en this is a terrible point . If that’s so true, the NFC East with all of their subpar QB’s shouldn’t have the records they have; including the Commanders

Wtf our division was trash ....r you dumb I'm a NYJets fan

he was right though

@@stephanea5364 no he wasn’t lol

@@deciuswtasby bill isnt even a HOF coach without Brady

@@matthewdaniels709 yeah and maybe he goes (and he was close to it) undrafted by some third rate coach on a fourth rate team who wouldn't give him a chance. Belichick not only picked him but kept him as a 4th quarterback on a team with the number one pick overall as the starter, then elevated him past everyone else and kept him during the Superbowl when conventional wisdom was to start Bledsoe.... yeah maybe Brady would have survived either way, but Belichick saw a diamond in the rough and gave him a shot

@@matthewdaniels709 Brady isn’t in the league of bill doesn’t draft him. See how that works? What ifs are for losers…..what we “know” is as a unit they were a dynasty

Doesn’t change the fact that his teams have been mediocre since Brady left. Before Brady left, everyone though the main person responsible for the Super Bowls was Bill. It is now evident that Brady was the one responsible. Bill isn’t average, but he isn’t amazing either. He was below 500 before Brady. And he is below 500 after Brady. How is that a great coach?

@@jsilva7005 exactly

@@jsilva7005 Asante Samuel literally cost the patriots a Super Bowl by dropping the easiest interception in the history of the playbook offs….dude has always hated belicheck ever since he let him walk

@@AdamWatt00 What does that have to do with the fact the Bill is under .500 without Brady?

@@jsilva7005 lol…. Bill had 20 seasons with Brady and 3 without…..listening to ESPN much lol

Theismann was a league MVP and Rypien was a very good QB at one point. Even Doug Williams had success on the Bucs when they were a dumpster fire. I'll give Gibbs his credit because winning with three different QBs is hard regardless of talent.

@@the757general2 Gibbs was a great coach innovative offensive mind.

Exactly!!! 👊👊✊✊👏👏👏

And probably the most creative and best offensive mind since Bill Walsh. I don't need to tell you how high of a compliment that is.

@@cityhawk You miss my point

*5 NFC championships

He didn’t say it was all Josh lol…he said they had competent and consistent coaches. Some people are just better coordinators than head coaches

I agree with you... Asante Samuel is just salt 🧂 because Bill didn't give him the contract he wanted.... There's no great coach without great qb vice-versa... Asante please tell us how many ring 💍 Aaron Roger have?? Is he a great qb?? How about Payton Manning; his last super bowl 🏈, was there a great defense? How about the Steelers looking now with their coach who's known for defense without Big Ben??? Lastly out of those 6 💍... which one Tom Brady won solely on his own... even his 7th rings...Did the Bucs defense had anything to do with it... Was the o-line any good? Oh how about the receivers.... Asante that's why you ain't a hall of famer... You a hater who was just an opportunistic player...jump route for interception...but he beat everytime... Marvin Harrison lived in ur head.... You are not going to the hall of fame and Bill and Tom are...so go sit down and respect greatness 👏.... The patriots will get better once these young cats develop...

@@Henry18845 lol 😂

I’ve made the same argument over and over.

Brady was a great student that morphed into a great player. I don't think his view and knowledge of the game would be what it is without Bill's system. Once he mastered it, he's been able to carry it

@@phredwithanf6834 exactly

Joy can't sound smart for that long

@@Atlas365247 says the dude in the comment section who has no show lol

In most segments.

tom flores

Well said

I was talking when they were winning.

Joe Gibbs was a great coach, but the GOAT is Don Shula.. has the highest winning percentage, the only perfect season and hast the most wins all time.

@@marcuswillis5185 Shula was up there, but winning titles is what is more important to me, as to who is the GOAT. You can win a lot of games, but the games that count most are the ones that win titles.

@@HardCold-Alquan he won 2 Super Bowls including the only undefeated season. With 2 different quarterbacks at that.. 1st with Earl Moral the undefeated season and 2nd with bob griese..and most importantly the man never cheated or video taped the other team like bellicheat did..

@@marcuswillis5185 Yeah, but given how long he coached, he did more winning games than winning titles.

And Godwin got injured, so then they needed to replace Wr2 and Wr3

@@LIL23FRED Brady still almost beat a superior team in the LA Rams. Its crazy thinking about how good he was.

Acho is an African which they think can replace blak Americans! Plus, he is younger. All he is doing is trying his best to act blak, but he can only go but so far to imitate blak Americans.

it was like 5 years between super bowls

Same way the QB with a record setting offense got punked twice by the giants lol. So we gonna keep pointing fingers or are we just gonna admit they lost as a “team” lol

@@deciuswtasby Tom Brady has already won a Super Bowl without Belichick. If Brady played his entire career on another team, he would have been just as successful, if not more successful. Bill Belichick will never win a Super Bowl without Brady. If Belichick didn't have Brady, he would have 0 career Super Bowls wins. He would have been fired 20 years ago and pushed out of the NFL

@@WoJackHorseman so Brady was going to win SBs despite the other coaches, defenses, and teams elsewhere huh 🤣🤣🤣🤣. He would have been a good player but doubtful he would have done what he did in NE. Guess we will never know but what we do know is with Bill….they had a dynasty that will stand the rest of time 🤷🏾‍♂️

@@deciuswtasby Brady won the Super Bowl in his first season with a new team, that was a below average before he got there. He also did this at age 43. If Brady had an actual good head coach like Andy Reid, he has at least 10 chips. Belichick held Brady back

@@WoJackHorseman 😂😂😂😂 I can’t even take you serious bro lol

Well she needs to get her own show then.

First off I'd like to say shout out for remembering the kickers. Ravens would have a lot fewer wins without JT the foot god. There is no second part

The team built by Belidiot wouldn't have won a single SB with any other QB, because no other QB would be able to score 24+ in back to back playoff games. The Pats between 2001 and 2006 would be even worse than 2020 and 2021 Pats.

Yeah, I feel like hes definitely getting ragged on here a little bit unnecessarily. I think of the SB win over the Rams. That was Belichick and his defense alllllllllllllllllllllllll the way.

Vinateiri did not win Super Bowls, he kicked balls after Brady got them into position.

@@HardCold-Alquan morons think Brady was supposed to save the team from own 3 yard line and put offense in FG range with Troy Brown as #1 receiver. I guess they think Peyton, Rodgers, Mahomes are all dumbfooks.

He’s like the opposite of Shannon Sharpe lol

He’s a great example that just because you played the sport. You could be as clueless as someone who hasn’t

Robert Kraft admitted Patriots used to laugh at teams that spent big in free agency. Belichick's free agency splurge in 2021 (the way he used to believe stupid) proved that *the reason Belichick could build the team in a way that other coaches couldn't was because he had Tom Brady. Without Tom Brady, he has to build the team just like how every other coach does.* In other word, Belichick proved that the system that won Pats 6 SB was Brady's system, not his.

@@williamli6200 you aren’t wrong about anything you said

@@williamli6200 It's a combo man...BB literally put those teams together and provided Tom with amazing defense...it's as much BB's system as it is Brady's

Turned LT loose. Used him in an untraditional way that they weren't using linebackers back then. Also he was the defensive game planner for those NE Superbowls. Helluva defensive mind.

They asked Phil to coach NY and he was like “nah. I’ll get exposed”. 😅

@@Samurai31631 I dont know about exposed, but ya he might lose some of that god like shi. He's obv still a good coach other coaches had Superstars n didnt get that many rings but hes not much better then other top coaches who didnt get as lucky with the rosters

@G O He got super lucky also from Robinson to Tim n a great GM who found great guys later in the draft. Alot of good coaches could win big in the NBA with Superstars like Ty Lue whose already had Bron n Kawhi n PG etc n gets overrated

Facts

Eagles yes….giants? Brady should be able to put up more than 17 points 2 times which they did not

@@deciuswtasby The Patriots still had the lead in those games in the 4th Quarter. So his point still has merit.

meh

UnexpectedWonder When you say "So many Hall of Famers that Tom Brady played for". For me, "so many" means a lot. So how many Hall of Famers played with Brady? And how many on offense?

@@sportsretrospective6759 they didn’t win a lot of the early SBs on offense. Ty Law, Richard Seymour, Willie McGinnist, oh yeah and the season he had Moss….they got punked by the giants. Brady is the goat, but giving him all the credit is foolishness at its finest

Ya sound stupid and ridiculous. Football a TEAMSPORT

@@deciuswtasby I know all that. And I'm not talking about who's the more important. I was asking how many Hall of Famers, because the guy before me is talking about "so many". The way I see it, he didn't play with "so many".

@@sportsretrospective6759 yeah I get that and see your premise. Honestly it’s almost impossible to have a plethora of hall of fame players on one squad for 10+ years because they would a have to be paid. Some of the most crapped on players people don’t discuss are the NE WR crew. Sure they weren’t big names but they didn’t drop passes, run blocked, and had no ego doing what Tom asked.

There's no such thing as luck

All decade team. Get out ur feelings brother

@@dabulltrick4913 BB isn't all decade...he's all time...If BB is average at what he does then Shady aint much

@@maverick33guy95 Robert Kraft admitted Patriots used to laugh at teams that spent big in free agency. Belichick's free agency splurge in 2021 (the way he used to believe stupid) proved that the reason Belichick could build the team in a way that other coaches couldn't was because he had Tom Brady. Without Tom Brady, he has to build the team just like how every other coach does. In other word, Belichick proved that the system that won Pats 6 SB was Brady's system, not his.

@@williamli6200 I already wrecked that argument...no need to copy and paste

@@maverick33guy95 No, you didn't. Because you dont' even know what greatness means. Again, why could Belidiot build the team in way no other coaches and GM could?

Gruden,Billick,Hrbaugh and many others

And you can look at the amazing defenses he built and coached to get Tom his first couple Superbowls. How many times has Brady had a top 10 defense?

@@brianlemmon3938 Dumbfook, don't claim defense won the SB when Pats needed offense to get first round bye, couple of winning drives in SB and scored 24+ in back to back playoff games, especially with the squad given by BeliCHEAP. That would imply Peyton, Rodgers and Mahomes are all dumbfook like you, get it?

🥴🥴 Malcolm butler has literally done nothing in the league. The highlight of his career is the pick in the Super Bowl

Don't be ignorant...he's considered by players analysts and fans as one of the best defensive minds in the game...the stats back it up but no one bats 1000%

@@maverick33guy95 How about now? The stats? do you know *his defense was worse than packers defense on total yards allowed?* Explain the abnormality before using the stats.

Himself AND Bill B without question

Go back and watch Brady's games at Michigan. He also performed better at training camp in 2001 than Bledsoe did, he just didn't get the starting job due to Bledsoe having a 100m dollar contract...

I'd say Mcnabb won because of Andy Reid

McNabb was not that great of a QB. If Reid had a better QB, he would have won those SBs.

Andy Reid did good with Alex Smith. He's the ultimate offensive guru. Once he started Mahomes he was a perennial Super Bowl contender.

@@KTF0 The Chiefs and Mahomes were going to become the next Dynasty. Until Brady showed up and ruined their party twice. Once in the AFC conference game and again with the Bucs in the SB. Now Mahomes is without Hill and gotta face a loaded Bills team that might be blocking him from another SB for many more years.

@@JohnSmith-nj4zq - Maybe but Andy Reid never had a season with a bad QB. His QBs were McNabb, Vick, Jeff Garcia, Alex Smith and Patrick Mahomes. The only relatively long stretch he had with the kind of QBs New England is dealing with post-Brady is when he had to start a gentleman by the name of Mike McMahon when McNabb got hurt. He went 1-5 or something like that. Just like Belichick can take average defensive players and put together a pretty solid defense, Andy Reid can take decent QBs and put together solid offenses. But you need a good QB to get your to where you wanna go. Where Shady and Acho are wrong is, Brady and Belichick were on the opposite sides of the ball. So, New England had 2 incredibly smart, dedicated men on either side of the ball. They propped each other up. When the defense wasn’t playing great, Brady kept them in the game, when Brady wasn’t having a great day, the defense kept them alive. Thats how they dominated the league for 20 years. Compare that to Reid or Sean Payton who’s best player was/is on the same side of the ball with them. They have no chance of replicating New England’s success.

I think it’s a combo of both

The Quarterback and the coach were in lock-step and that is the key. Mom and dad have to be together and on point or it's chaos.

Cassell won 11 games and missed the playoffs with the team that the previous year went undefeated in the regular season, went to the Super Bowl, and was the second best offense in NFL history. (At that point the greatest ever.)

matt won 10 games ,because Brady started first game. that year was a total failure 18 and 1 team went 10 and 5 with Cassell,who next year made the pro bowl and won 11 gamjes as kc starter

Bill didn’t draft him. He had no control of drafting back then. Stop it.

If Bill truly knew that tom was that good he’d have never waited that long to take him.

@@Logan-id5pk Why would he though? If you know you can get a guy in 6th round, your not going to draft him in the first.

Yes he drafted a back up OL & DL ahead of Brady… everyone pass 5 times was he waiting for 7th round.

you still have to produce

The offense that was scoring at will for most of the season only scoring 14 points lost them the superbowl

@@royals080 facts

He also helped them win one in 04 so…

Eli is a gangster you can’t put that on Asante

@@royals080 facts let’s not forget that defense Brady won a super bowl scoring 13 against the rams

Yikes

Hard Cold This is a great comment.👍

That’s a great point

Exactly. Bill had Drew Bledsoe and was winning before Brady too. Bledsoe got hurt and Brady showed his worth. I like the come up, but everybody worshipping Brady as if he wasn't in a horrible division and didn't have a great Machine behind him is stupid. You Tampa now. Team is weak and they are not excelling at all

He's been that way since college lol.

@@MrSamoannn that’s a lie…..he played decent for a “season” lol. He was average the prior year. If he was doing what you say while at “Michigan” he wouldn’t have fallen to the 6th round.

@@cagedragnarok1781 You say "Bill had Drew Bledsoe and was winning before Brady too". You should check the stats. Belicheck wasn't winning with Bledsoe before Brady. Belicheck was 5-11 with Bledsoe before Brady. I wonder why we never made the same exercice with Lombardi-Starr, Shula-Griese, Grant-Tarkenton, Landry-Staubach, Noll-Bradshaw, Shanahan-Elway, Dungy-Manning, Walsh-Montana, etc. It's only with Belichick-Brady. Interesting.

It was Belichick who kept him as a 4th string QB his rookie year when he was taking a roster spot. Brady was a game manager when he started. The Pats were loaded defensively. Belichick implements the best defensive playoff strategies in NFL history even when he was a coordinator with the Giants.

It says nothing except that team was a great/HOF QB away from winning…..

@@poiziegaming5262 look at Tampa as a team on defense and offense for the year they won the super bowl. The numbers are identical almost for stars “except” Tom didn’t turn the ball over 35+ times. That team was 7-9 with a QB throwing them out of games. Could “any” QB have gone there? No….and I’m not up for conjecture or assuming. Brady did what he did but the defense was literally lights out destroying Rodgers, Brees, and Mahomes…..if the defense was bad or average they don’t win. Tom did what Tom does. So he gets his credit but he doesn’t get “all” the credit that’s foolish

​@@deciuswtasby they are the only team to score more than 30 in every single playoff game. brady threw a nearly perfect 1st half in green bay. a good offense allows the D to rest those long drives hes known for. sorry but brady was the main Key. no brady, then you dont get founette, gronk, or AB. not to mention we all saw the offense completely changed after the bye week to bradys offense. no other QB is winning that year with them in a covid no offseason. not a chance.

this is a bad take the bucs were loaded when he won that year n he faced drew brees (last year) taylor hickey aaron rodgers choked but good win n then a injured chiefs team in the super bowl like most qbs couldve done that couldve beat those teams

@@blakmagic3097 Don't think Rodgers would be able to score 30+ in 3 straight playoff games, hence no SB.