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Black And White Slide Film Processing Tutorial

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Go Everywhere

Go Everywhere

Күн бұрын

I show you how to make your very own black and white reversal slides using drugstore chemistry at home.
Viewer Alberto P. Reports that 55 minutes semi stand at 20C/68F works well also if you don't want to run bleach hot, or notice reticulation issues with your film and the temperature change.
It was mentioned to me by several people that another awesome photo chemist, Ricardo Leite developed a very similar process that predates mine, please also check out HIS awesome tutorial here: www.filmlabs.or...

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@karlmatthias2698
@karlmatthias2698 3 жыл бұрын
I followed your instructions and successfully reversed Fomapan 400 with Ilford Multigrade Developer 1+9 for both first and second developer. Lots of fun. Cheers from Ireland.
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 3 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear it! And I'll have to add Ilford Multigrade as a known option! Thanks for letting me know.
@punisher0025
@punisher0025 4 жыл бұрын
IT WORKED!!! Thank you so much for sharing this amazing (and obscure) technique! Will definitely shoot more rolls to experiment this method further. The photos look almost they were shot using wet collodion... Really gorgeous! :D
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 4 жыл бұрын
Killer! So glad you tried it out!! And thanks for the feedback :)
@applicationuser9764
@applicationuser9764 Жыл бұрын
Well, I've been practicing with a lot of user grade films. I moved up to Rollei infrared with great success. I have a bunch of Kodak HIE and Efke Aura, and have high hopes for the results. Seriously, thank you for this tutorial.
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere Жыл бұрын
Ohh, how's it working with the HIE? Ive never tried it with an IR film.
@applicationuser9764
@applicationuser9764 Жыл бұрын
@@GoEverywhere I haven't gotten to it yet, but I'll definitely let you know. I can't see why it would be any different than anything else, but I'm not the brightest star in the sky. I'm starting with the Efke because I bought it new, and I know it's always been frozen.
@applicationuser9764
@applicationuser9764 11 ай бұрын
​@@GoEverywhereI'm still doinking with this. I started with the Efke, and had some disappointments. I decided it needed more fixer time, so I made a fresh batch and put the already dried film in. Cleared up everything. Yay. I'm making 30 minutes the standard. It quits when it's through. I wish you would come up with a homegrown formula for fixer. I'm buying small packages because I don't go through the big bottles fast enough.
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 11 ай бұрын
@@applicationuser9764 Glat you got the hang of it! I'll have to look at home made fixer recipes. Last time I tried I did get one working, but it took like 4-5 *DAYS* to fix out film. So it wasn't super useful. But its been a few years since I've tried so I'll see what I can do.
@65PCH
@65PCH Жыл бұрын
It works! I just processed a roll of 35mm Rollei Retro 400s, developed in Rodinal 1+25 (using the same developer for 1st and 2nd developments). I developed it at 22C, then rinsed with some slightly warmer water to avoid shocking the film with the warm bleach solution. While the slides came out a little dense, they are still scannable and would likely project nicely. I'll cut back the first dev a little next time. Interestingly they seemed less grainy than I recall when scanning the same film but processed as normal B+W negs. I shot some sheet film this weekend which I'm also going to process as transparencies, fingers crossed! Thanks for the video!
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere Жыл бұрын
It's not intuitive, but if they're dense go LONGER in the first dev. Everything is backwards with reversals.
@65PCH
@65PCH Жыл бұрын
@@GoEverywhere Of course! I double-neg'ed myself ;-)
@ldrbst8
@ldrbst8 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Thanks. 55 minutes at room temperature is just perfect. I use Dokumol as developer. Great results on Fomapan 400 or Fomapan 100. Maybe you lose a little Dmax. In case I'd suggest to have look at EDTA free acid, citric acid and hydrogene carbonate. The lower the temperature the better the chance for the emulsion to stay in place. Best wishes from Hannover Germany.
@lukaszmalanowski9865
@lukaszmalanowski9865 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. I feel that I should share my experience with hc-110 dilution b. I managed to produce transparencies out of T-Max 400, however, there were some changes in the process. 12 min. first development worked only if film had been exposed at ISO 50-100 otherwise frames were too dark, visible yet too dark. When I was developing for 22 min. film exposed at ISO 200-400 it was ok. I was not very rigid with temperature, usually between 100-110F. I used different bleaching agent, copper sulfate 8-9 min. and then additional 7-8 min. in 2% ammonia as it is what I am using at the moment. I tend to experiment with bleaching at lights open as it does not damage film and this allows me adjusting bleaching time. I hope this hint helps somebody.
@DatTran
@DatTran 3 жыл бұрын
Hi there, thanks for the sharing. I used TriX 400 @ iso 400, first dev time 12 mins @ 100F results in pitch black, but it works with 22 mins @ 100F as your recommendation. About your experience, you mean first dev time 12 mins @100F applies for TriX 400 shoots at iso 50-100 (pull) or general 50-100 iso film shoot at 50-100 iso. I try to understand if I used iso 100 film @iso 100 (or other film at correct box speed), should I use 22 mins or 12 mins for first dev time? Thanks alot.
@lukaszmalanowski9865
@lukaszmalanowski9865 3 жыл бұрын
​@@DatTran So it also works for TriX 400. Excellent! I honestly have no clue if 12 min. dev. time is good for TriX. I tried 22 min. with Rollei 400s (exposed at ISO250) and turned out ok but contrast was too small. Apart from T-Max 400, the best results I had so far were with Delta 100 (exposed 80ISO) first dev. 14 min. and Fomapan 100 (exposed at 80ISO) first dev. 9 min. 15 sec.. T-Max 400 and Delta 100 have the same quality to my taste. Fomapan 100 is good but not in the same league as T-Max or Delta, still very enjoyable.
@DatTran
@DatTran 3 жыл бұрын
@@lukaszmalanowski9865 thanks for sharing. Today I tried again with Tri-X @ iso 400 but kept development temperature around 37-38 C by submerge tank in warm water in a large bowl, also reduce first dev time to 20 mins, the result is much more better. If I try Neopan 100 @ iso 100, should I go first dev time with 12-14 mins like you did with Delta 100?
@lukaszmalanowski9865
@lukaszmalanowski9865 3 жыл бұрын
@@DatTran I would cut the film in two half and try 12-14 min. and 20-22 min. since I never developed Neopan. There is no universal rule. Delta 100 after 14 min. is superb, but T-Max 100 is black.
@DatTran
@DatTran 3 жыл бұрын
@@lukaszmalanowski9865 I tried couple of Neopan rolls, it seems to work at 14 mins first dev time at 38 C, but the film is too thick, very low contrast. I also tried 20 mins dev time, contrast improved very little, but can't compete with Tri-X. Neopan may be not suitable for reversal process.
@applicationuser9764
@applicationuser9764 24 күн бұрын
HIE update. This time I used the stereo camera. The closest thing I have to IR filters is number 25 for that one. I got no dramatic "wood' effect but I am very pleased with the outcome. Proper IR filters would have given better results, but series 5 filters aren't easy to come by in that configuration.
@marahadjan
@marahadjan 3 жыл бұрын
This is exactly what I've been looking for! Thanks for sharing. Need positive BW to do some anthotypes.
@Jon_Oates
@Jon_Oates 4 жыл бұрын
I'm itching to try this out on 16mm cine film. One observation is that Joe Van Cleave and Cameradactyl have used a similar process for paper reversal prints, but separate out the acid and bleach baths (they use citric acid rather than white vinegar, and 12% H2O2). Cameradactyl uses up to four cycles of acid/bleach to ensure process completion before moving on to exposure and second developer.
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 4 жыл бұрын
It should be fine on cine film as well. The multi bath idea sounds really interesting, I'd be really curious why they did it that way and what advantages that might have. I may have to do a follow up highlighting the other similat processes others have pointed out. Seems lile there are quite a few people who've got other fascinating ways of pulling this off.
@davidsinger9903
@davidsinger9903 3 жыл бұрын
Success! Using a Morse G3, I did the first and second development for 20 minutes and the bleach for 12 minutes. The images are quite “dense” so for the next roll I will reduce the development time to 17 minutes and see how that looks. I’ll keep you posted.
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 3 жыл бұрын
Hey! Thats good progress. I think you're on the right track. Reduce the developer a bit until you find a time that works well for you. Good work :)
@Beng177
@Beng177 3 жыл бұрын
I've had really good luck with a permangenate bleach (with sodium bisulphate pool ph decreaser not sulphuric acid because sulphuric acid is hard to buy for me) and metabisulphite clearing bath. Works very well at 20C, doesn't take long and doesn't stain the film a filthy colour. It's also very cheap and you can get everything from local shops.
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 3 жыл бұрын
Thats another great way to do it, I love that theres lots of options to do the way that works for us!
@jmguitarnavy
@jmguitarnavy 3 жыл бұрын
Just tried it with a roll of fomapan r100 (b&w slide film) and I love the results you get without having to buy an expensive kit. Thanks! Might even try this with super 8 or double 8.
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 3 жыл бұрын
Great to hear! I've wanted to try it with D8 or 16mm for a while. But I've not shot either format in a while...
@jmguitarnavy
@jmguitarnavy 3 жыл бұрын
@@GoEverywhere Yeah it's expensive, at least here in Europe, but if you ever did you'd be saving $50 on the development
@jmguitarnavy
@jmguitarnavy 3 жыл бұрын
I put the slides inside these plastic sheets when dry yesterday. Woke up today and they were completely ruined. I think it might have been the fixing step but I'm not sure. What a shame.
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I've got all the equipment to do it, but getting movie film digitized is the expensive part here. While I do enjoy projecting them, I enjoy sharing my work more. And thats hard to do with 8mm/16mm.
@KoenigF50
@KoenigF50 4 жыл бұрын
This is awesome. Hope to get to try this at home soon. I only ever shot one rolls of 120 Agfa Scala that my lab developed as reversal and it looks amazing !
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 4 жыл бұрын
Scala is beautiful film, this comes out very similar.
@cliff.davidson
@cliff.davidson 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this. I tried this and like most people I have some slightly darker positives. However, it's probably to do with the way the film was shot. Here is the recipe: Ilford Delta 100 shot at 1600 (dumb, I know-nowhere I found even has dev times for negatives, but I didn't realize this until way after I shot the film) using Nikon FM3A. Developed using Paterson single roll tank. 1. Dev in HC110 B, 20 mins @ 20C - agitate 1 min, then 10 secs every minute 2. Rinse in tap water (filtered with Paterson filter), ~30 secs @ 20C 3. Dev in Rodinol 1:50, 20 mins @ 20C - agitate 1 min, then stand 4. Rinse in tap water (filtered with Paterson filter), ~30 secs @ 30C 5. Bleach in 290ml Hydrogen Peroxide 3% + 15ml white vinegar 5% filtered with Paterson filter, 10 mins @ 40-41C 6. Expose to light off reel both sides, ~1 min each side - Looked milky-white with flat details (similar to video) 7. Rinse in tap water (filtered with Paterson filter), ~30 secs @30C 8. Dev in HC110 B from step 1, 6 mins @ ~20C - agitate 1 min, then 10 secs every minute - top back on daylight tank 9. Fix in Ilford Rapid fix, 5 mins @ ~23C (room temp.) 10. Rinse in running tap water, 5 mins @ ~20C Negs came out fogged at top/bottom, very dark (though some shots were at night and this is expected), flat with lots of grays and no whites, and grainy (also expected because of the massive push). Interestingly, some of the spots where there was an actual yellow light IRL the bleaching made those yellow-ish too-kind of cool! But that's not on every shot :( Can see okay on the light table, but without that almost opaque. Might try again without pushing the crap out of the film, and might try with a different film stock (TMAX 400). I would also only use a single developer (HC110). I did two because I wanted the HC110 to develop the whole neg trying to keep highlights intact, and then using rodinol stand to try to pull more out of the shadows while keeping the highlights where there were. This seems to have been okay-ish as the film does not look over/under developed, rather just way underexposed beyond what the film could handle. Would love to hear what you think about all this.
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, pushing and pulling is hard to do with reversals because there's so many working parts. I'd think your push is likely why they came out so dark.
@cliff.davidson
@cliff.davidson 3 жыл бұрын
@@GoEverywhere Tried again with no push. Still a bit dark. Here's the recipe: Kodak TMAX 400 @ 400 in paterson hand tank in semi-controlled waterbath 1. Dev in HC110 B, 12 mins @ 40C - agitate 1 min, then 10 secs every minute 2. Rinse in tap water (filtered with Paterson filter), ~30 secs @ 20C 3. Bleach in Hydrogen Peroxide 3% + Vinegar 5% (100ml + 50ml), 8 mins @ 40-41C 4. Expose to light off reel both sides, ~1 min each side - Looked milky-white with flat details (similar to video) - not sure if highlights were completely transparent, but think so - can't totally remember 5. Rinse in tap water (filtered with Paterson filter), ~30 secs @ ~30C 8. Dev in HC110 B from step 1, 6 mins @ ~27C (couldn't get it go colder faster) - agitate 1 min, then 10 secs every minute - top back on daylight tank 9. Fix in Ilford Rapid fix, 5 mins @ ~23C (room temp.) 10. Rinse in running tap water, 5 mins @ ~20C Still a bit dark and heavy staining (almost sepia). You can see both rolls here: drive.google.com/drive/folders/1VZxV8o7U18wrloKMdmEkT16wZYlF-aih?usp=sharing Any advice? I'm hoping to try again with three different rolls next week and want to nail it. Thanks for both the amazing tutorial and great comment feedback.
2 жыл бұрын
Hey man, thank you very much for sharing this, I was searching for a tutorial about how to do a reversal B&W film at home and this is awsome. I just tested today and worked pretty well, I'm really happy with the results. I did it with one roll of Ilford Delta 100 120 film. The only thing I will like to improve next time is get a more clear film, mine came a little bit dark, I don't know if it's because of the roll of film I used or something else. I you know how could I get this better I would appretiate very much! Thank you man, this is awsome!!!!
@steven1000000000
@steven1000000000 3 жыл бұрын
This is awesome - I didn't realise that it wcould be done with normal B&W film (ideally with a clear base), standard chemistry, and easily bought chemicals. I'm definitely going to give this a go someday.
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 3 жыл бұрын
Yep, most people don't realize you can do this with any film! Good luck!!
@steven1000000000
@steven1000000000 3 жыл бұрын
@@GoEverywhere I've just developed a roll last night of Rollei Retro 80 S and thought that it might be perfect for reversal. Now, I just need to figure out how to build that projector :-)
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 3 жыл бұрын
Killer! And yes, project them! There's nothing cooler.
@photoplasia
@photoplasia 4 жыл бұрын
Nice tutorial. Tried it this morning, using D-76 and some expired TMax 400. Midway through the process, looked good - intermediate step looked pretty much like yours. However, final result was all black. I question the bleaching step - it may not have gone to completion. Will definitely try again.
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 4 жыл бұрын
Well thats a shame! There's two things that may have happened. When you reach the light exposure step after bleaching make sure the highlights are totally clear, if not bleach it longer. Second is that since you used d76 you might need to develop longer. You might have not gone long enough in the first step.
@adam122221
@adam122221 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video! I've just tried your process, but I have a (not so) small problem. The second developer washed the whole emulsion off from the base. I literally saw the washed off emulsion develop as I poured out the developer from the tank. First it looked like milk, and then turned gradually to black. After the bleach the emulsion looked fine, it wasn't washing off when I rinsed it. The film is Orwo NP55, it's a clear base motion picture film, it can be developed as a slide, that's for sure. I have ~100 meters left from the film, so if you have any suggestions, please let me know! Thanks!
@lbochtler
@lbochtler 3 жыл бұрын
I did not expect H2O2 and Acetic Acid to work as a bleach. I have been wanting to try this process for years, but Potasium Dichromate is basically unobtanium where i live, and i have not really found bulk Chrome and chrome compounds for scratch making it either. So this is very interesting to me
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 3 жыл бұрын
Thats part of why I started going down this path. While I can get Potassium Dichromate, it's pretty toxic and I do most of my development at home. My son was very young when I worked this out, and I've got pets in the house. I just didn't wanna take the risk. H2O2 is fairly benign, and Acetic Acid is actually edible. So It worked out!
@lbochtler
@lbochtler 3 жыл бұрын
@@GoEverywhere tried it today using fomapan 100, rodinol 1:25, 7 minutes. Bleach was 3% H2O2 with citric acid, 6 grams (i started mixing everything just to find i had run out of acetic acid, so tried to substitute it). anyway, it sort of worked, but the bleach at 40°C only got a very low contrast positive after 20 minutes. Ill try again with acetic acid tomorrow.
@lbochtler
@lbochtler 3 жыл бұрын
@@GoEverywhere i did some more experiments, the fallowing yielded a very foggy positive, which behaves a lot like a colodian film (in that in front of white background it looks positive, and on black it looks negative). Stock was Fomapan 100: 5 minute pre soak -> 5 minutes Development in Rodinal 1:25 at 22°C constant agitation -> 1 minute stop bath in citric acid -> 15 minutes in 12% H2O2 bleach with 1:15 citric acid at around 40°C -> wash 3 minutes -> second exposure for 3 minutes in sunlight -> development in the same rodinol as used previously for another 5 minutes -> stop bath 1 minute -> wash for 1 hour in tap water -> adoflow 15 seconds. I suspect that the citric acid is not strong enough to get it down in time. Ill try it again in a few minutes using around 2 hours of stand development in the above bleach. I should add that i do open tray development of 4x5 stock, not roll film as seen in the video
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like you're making progress, one thing I'd change though. Your first dev likely isn't long enough. You want a REALLY dense negative to start out with, going for like a 5 stop push or so is usually about right.
@lbochtler
@lbochtler 3 жыл бұрын
@@GoEverywhere did some more experimentation, tested more developers: HC110-B, XTOL, D76, Rodinol, Caffeinol C. All shots where done on fresh film at rated speed. I have found that HC110-B delivers the densest negative of all the above, where as rodinol delivers the faintest. So, my previous problems may be attributed to the developer used. Ill be trying to make some reversal images using HC110 as in the video, and also Caffeineol C, as its negative looks promising for a slide film. Film was fomapan 100 9x12 sheet. all test images where taken from the same camera using a black studio strobe setup from Broncolor.
@zymmus
@zymmus Жыл бұрын
Firstly I'd like to thank the author for making this video and sharing this exceptional method! I wasa close to giving up on developing slide film when I looked up the price on the Foma developing kit, and even more so after reading the "suspected of causing cancer" warning on the kit's label. I do have a couple of questions regarding the process though: 1. Initial development time. I shoot mostly Fomapan Classic 100 and develope it in 1+10 deluded Fomadon LQN p for 7-8 min with the standard inversion agitation method, by how much should I prolong the first development in this case? I got my hands on a couple of roles of Fomapan R100 and plan on shooting it for slide development. 2. Do i need to wash out between the 1. development and bleach steps? Develop - wash - bleach - wash - reexpose - redevelop - wash - fix -wash? 3. I'd prefer to bleech at room temp, how often should I invert to agitate in the semi stand 55min process? 4. What's the acid content of the vinegar you use in this process?
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere Жыл бұрын
For initial development time you want to aim for about a 5 stop push, that's usually in the right ballpark for first developer. Washing is probably a good idea, but not required. The bleach becomes MUCH MUCH less active at room temperature. I had a hard time getting it to react at all at low temps. I never tried a full stand attempt with it, which MIGHT work. But you're on your own for times. I used 3% vinegar.
@davidsinger9903
@davidsinger9903 3 жыл бұрын
I processed another roll of Fomapan R100 in the Morse G3, this time developing both times for 17 minutes (HC100) and bleached for 12 minutes. Excellent results, good gradation and uniform density frame to frame. One issue, each frame has a lot of very small white spots that dance around like snow flakes. I recall having to pay a lab an extra fee to remove those same sort of spots. Do you have any insight as to what they are (anti-halation layer?) and how to prevent that from happening? I did not use a stop bath but did wash for 15minutes each time. Thank you for your assistance in all of this.
@betaplumbing33
@betaplumbing33 11 ай бұрын
Hi there, thanks for great video, I am processing Ektachrome 8mm film as reversal black and white and using D-76 for developer instead of HC110 , and was wondering how long you recommend to leave it in developer for first stage and second stage which is the positive reversal stage? I have seen some people leave it for 12 minutes like you, some for 15 minutes and some people for 7 minutes, could you please advise? Thanks
@theoldcameraguy
@theoldcameraguy 4 жыл бұрын
Mind blown - I have never seen anything like this - Thanks for sharing this process!
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 4 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! I'm gonna do tutorials on all sorts of funky processes in the future, so maybe there'll be another you like!
@Elad6k
@Elad6k 4 жыл бұрын
True
@1987VCRProductions
@1987VCRProductions 4 жыл бұрын
This is about the simplest B/W reversal process I’ve come across, *and* I don’t have to spend the big bucks for the Foma reversal kit. I’ll try some of this tonight.
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 4 жыл бұрын
Thats the idea, I wanted something easily mixable from drugstore chemistry anyone could get.
@1987VCRProductions
@1987VCRProductions 4 жыл бұрын
You mentioned that the hydrogen peroxide and vinegar solution was reusable, how many times can you reuse it before it needs to be discarded?
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 4 жыл бұрын
Ive done it 15-20 times without issue, I've never tried to see how far it'll go in total.
@1987VCRProductions
@1987VCRProductions 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@1987VCRProductions
@1987VCRProductions 4 жыл бұрын
It worked! The only issue I have is that the images are a tad dark and murky, though they would probably project well enough. In my process I shortened the first developer since my diluted HC-110 was 73° instead of the standard 68°. The time/temp converter on the Massive Dev Chart had me shorten it from 12 minutes down to 8 and a half. Would this have caused the issue? Should I let my next roll go for the full 12 minutes despite a temperature difference of 5 degrees?
@samdavisson580
@samdavisson580 4 жыл бұрын
You're the Kodachrome guy! Glad I finally found your channel. This video was a great break from reading all the time about B&W reversal, it was nice to finally watch the process. I followed Ricardo's process that you linked to to try and develop standard 8mm film in a Morse G3 tank a bit more than a year ago, but for the two rolls that I did using a peroxide bleach, they came out very brown stained, with small bits of the emulsion having lifted off, then readhered in the same spot. I'm thinking it might have had to do with exhausted chemistry when the film was all wound up, but I'm not sure. With a permanganate bleach its not an issue, though with that it makes the emulsion VERY soft, and it flakes off around the sprocket holes a lot.
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 4 жыл бұрын
Heh, yep. I'm the Kodachrome guy! Nice to see you here! I've heard with some of the 8mm stock people have had issues with emulsion lifting, I don't shoot much 8mm, but I've done this with 16mm before with good results. I think my mixture might be a bit weaker than Ricardo's from what I remember which may contribute to why I've not seen lifting in mine, but I'm not certain.
@Aar69
@Aar69 3 жыл бұрын
@@GoEverywhere I'm so glad I read this comment because i was just hearing about "a guy who can develop kodachrome" (with mixed results). Didn't realize this was him. You are doing god's work. I heard you stopped developing in the short-term as you try to get more consistent results. I am definitely giving you a follow to stay in the loop. (and wouldn't be opposed to being a kodachrome beta tester and getting some rather peculiar looking or awesome photos if within a somewhat reasonable budget lol)
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 3 жыл бұрын
​@@Aar69 Heh, yep thats me! I have stopped developing in the short term to work on better results. I was making good strides until the pandemic started, as its made it much harder to get the chemistry I need to make everything work. But its still in process!
@Daviljoe193
@Daviljoe193 4 жыл бұрын
Definitely have to try this out.
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 4 жыл бұрын
Please do!! Share your results!
@db3830
@db3830 3 жыл бұрын
In your process are all the done “hot” or only the step involving the hydrogen peroxide , thanks so much and great job on the tutorial ..
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 3 жыл бұрын
The first developer and the peroxide bleach are hot. The rest are normal temp.
@db3830
@db3830 3 жыл бұрын
@@GoEverywhere thanks so much for the clarification, I can’t wait to try this out , thanks again for the tutorial
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 3 жыл бұрын
Good luck!!
@db3830
@db3830 3 жыл бұрын
I Just finished my first attempt .. I did hp5+ shot at box speed (400 iso) and I believe it was a success !!! I’ll have to wait the film to dry ( I’m thinking it will lighten a little as it dries ) I did notice in your video the film lead came out clear , mine came out almost black ?? Did I do something wrong or is that just the way it is ??
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 3 жыл бұрын
As long as the rest of the slides are normal I wouldn't worry about it. It really depends on how fogged the leader gets when you load it on how dark/light it'll turn out.
@rodofiron5957
@rodofiron5957 2 жыл бұрын
Unsure of appropriate lamp to reexpose film through window of g3 tank. 500w tungsten at point blank? Unclear help asked please
@8bit_cat72
@8bit_cat72 7 ай бұрын
You said the hydrogen peroxide + vinegar is resuable, how many times can you use it?
@JamieMPhoto
@JamieMPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
This is AWESOME. Also ... I have all of these chemicals and I'm pretty sure I'll have to try this tonight. Subscribed!
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks a bunch! Good luck tonight :)
@JamieMPhoto
@JamieMPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
@@GoEverywhere You're welcome, and thank you!
@JamieMPhoto
@JamieMPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
@@GoEverywhere Thank you! While technically a failure, I think I learned a good amount from it. I only have Rodinal laying around right now, so maybe I'll just try some more and extend the first dev. Otherwise, the stand bleaching seemed to work as intended, with decent contrast and a milky appearance. I just couldn't get it to go transparent, which I guess might have to do with my first development timing? Or maybe it was that I should have gone another 30 minutes before reexposing it ... Or should I have overexposed the shot, too? Anyway, this is great, and actually the first time I've ever exposed a partial test strip of film. So here's to learning!
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 4 жыл бұрын
Thats an awesome attitude to have, you never fail. You just learn something new :) Sounds like it bleached ok, but that you likely didn't develop long enough in the first developer. The times I use for HC-110 amount to about a 5 stop push, so go for similar times for Rodinal and you should be in the right ballpark. I don't tend to over expose the shot itself, usually pushing the first dev works fine for that.
@JamieMPhoto
@JamieMPhoto 4 жыл бұрын
@@GoEverywhere Sweet. Thank you for the information! Think I'll give this a good snip test shortly ...
@marceloesquer8078
@marceloesquer8078 3 жыл бұрын
Shane you are my hero! I love seeing your alternative process videos! Have you considered covering trichrome b/w photos yet? Back to bleach: I’m curious since I saw in other comments you mentioned you have used this reversal process for developing cine film what method do you use, bucket or a rotary tank, or some diy creation?
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 3 жыл бұрын
Heh, thanks for the kind words! Yes, I've got both Bichrome and Trichrome on my list. In fact I've been working recently on double spooling 35mm to do single shot bichromes. If all goes well and I find a few minutes, I'll have a video on that soon. I have a Lomo tank and a Morse G3 rewind tank. The Lomo is much easier so it gets used more of the time, unless I'm working with 35mm cine film then the Morse because the Lomo is 8mm/16mm only.
@tompwillie1240
@tompwillie1240 Жыл бұрын
It failed! After the bleach step, I poured out the bleach (freshly made hydrogen peroxide plus vinegar - it came out a pale pink color after use). Looking at the film, I could see images on it. So, re-exposed and redeveloped. But when I removed the film, it was solid black - no image at all. I assume the bleach didn't remove the silver from the first development like it should have. Any ideas?
@adrianbiankin
@adrianbiankin 3 ай бұрын
I had the same thing. I had a look online and it said it should be a higher temp to start the reaction quicker
@ZachACameraGuy
@ZachACameraGuy 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the clear tutorial! However my first try turned out so wrong the film was so thick it was almost completely black 😂 and the thickness (literally) didn't seem right. Will try a few more times 😬
@heyeusangels1069
@heyeusangels1069 4 жыл бұрын
Thank You, For the help. You have great videos and information.
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 4 жыл бұрын
My pleasure, thanks for enjoying them!
@thomasd.989
@thomasd.989 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this cool video, it finally inspired me to start with bw reversal processing! However, I had my first try now (Cliptest, as i feared I could mess the whole film) with 7 slides on a roll agfa APX 100. For some reason the bleach process didn't work which of course resulted in a completely dark fogged film roll after processing. As bleach I used as described in the video: 250ml hydrogen peroxide (conc. 3,5%) + 15ml white vinegar (acidity 6%), heated it up to 40°C (100°F) and used it for 6min with continuous agitation. When i opened the tank to re-exposure the film i realized that the negatives weren't as fogged by the bleach as they should be. Does anybody know what could have gone wrong? I'm thankful for every advice as I hope to succeed with this reversal process in the future. Saluti from Rome!
@BasedGnome
@BasedGnome 2 жыл бұрын
Hey! First: I never did this process, but I'm planning on doing it in the near future, coincidentally with the same film you're using cause it's the cheapest around here. What I think COULD lead to the problem your having is that he said you need to develop a very dense negative, and I've heard from many sources while searching on information about pushing this film that it is almost "unpushable". With people telling that they accidentally fell asleep for half an hour while developing it in Rodinal and it still resulted in a relatively normal negative. So maybe APX needs a very long time and/or a very aggressive developer for this process to work. But that's just a guess.
@MrHerrera805
@MrHerrera805 11 ай бұрын
Whoa, this is cool.
@gabsl6483
@gabsl6483 2 жыл бұрын
How many times can I reuse the bleach?
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 2 жыл бұрын
Quite a few. If you do then at the same time the most I've done was 15 rolls, and it could have done a lot more. It starts to off gas pretty quickly after you mix it so age wise only a few weeks.
@ianwilkinson4602
@ianwilkinson4602 Жыл бұрын
very enlightening, cheers.
@CyberCreeper22
@CyberCreeper22 3 жыл бұрын
time to try it with caffenol and trichrome to have a fuuly drugstore chems colour slides process
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 3 жыл бұрын
Yes!! That's a brilliant idea!
@CyberCreeper22
@CyberCreeper22 3 жыл бұрын
@@GoEverywhere I tried yesterday and turns out this process does not like hp5 pushed to 3200 so Im going to try again without pushing this time
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's quite hard to push a reversal sadly. Especially because HP5 is so nice pushed.
@CyberCreeper22
@CyberCreeper22 3 жыл бұрын
@@GoEverywhere yeah next roll is a fp4 100 and I am keeping it at 100
@butlaoctu4464
@butlaoctu4464 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing! I thought the only way for me will be mailing my film to dr5 and playing 30 dollars shipping.
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 4 жыл бұрын
Glad I could help!
@omarharo2989
@omarharo2989 2 жыл бұрын
IT IS REAL!.. I use caffenol and now i have the ecobleach, Do you have any alternative eco-formula for FIXER?
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 2 жыл бұрын
I've been working on that but so far not a GOOD one. I've done it with with a salt water fixer, but it takes DAYS to fix. Its epically slow. I may put some more effort into it soon as I get asked this pretty regularly.
@Daviljoe193
@Daviljoe193 4 жыл бұрын
So I tried this out with some Kodak 5234, doing the whole process at a 100.5°F with XTOL 1+3, first development was 13:27 for a 4 stop push at that temp, bleach for 6 minutes with constant agitation, 2 minutes of re-exposure, 8:15 for second developer at box speed, normal fix and wash. After doing the bleach, I pulled the film out of the tank, and it looked just like the film would normally look if it was pushed process four stops (except it was translucent), but it seems like the bleach did hardly anything to the highlights. I finished the rest of the development, and the film came out nearly pitch black, but when held up to the light I could just barely make out a negative image. I feel like the only thing I could have done was extend the bleach process, but I'm not sure how much I would need to extend it by, and if too much bleaching would just completely erase the silver from the film. I got the development time based on my knowledge of Kodak 5234 and XTOL, and that your initial development time for JCH Street Pan 400 would have been a 4 stop push. The only other thing I can really say is that this film is a panchromatic ISO 6 duplication film, and at a 4 stop push would be effectively ISO 100.
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, sounds like you didn't get it to bleach. It SHOULD have been milky white with clear highlights. If it looked normal, bleaching was your problem. You said you ran the bleach for 6 minutes, did you do it at 105F like I show in the tutorial? It gets a LOT less active when its not warm. Another viewer had good luck running it semi-stand at 68F for 55 minutes as well, so that might be an option for you. You can't really over bleach, this bleach only affects developed silver, it'll leave the undeveloped alone, so its safe to experiment with longer times.
@Daviljoe193
@Daviljoe193 4 жыл бұрын
​@@GoEverywhere The whole process was done at 100.5°F (Would that 4.5°F difference really cause the bleach to not work at all?) with a water bath and a Sous Vide for temp control, with fairly aggressive constant agitation for the bleach. The agitation was done using the agitation stick that comes with the Paterson tank. Guess I could run the bleach for an hour to see how far it'll go on the silver. I found a blog post where the guy got seemingly identical failed results to me. The search keyphrase would be ""Experiments with black & white transparencies" in Google, with the air-quotes.
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 4 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't think 4.5F would matter enough to cause that. I'd suggest that you either try a stronger peroxide (I've heard from others that 9% may be a better choice) or go for longer. I did find that other article you were talking about, it seems they had exactly the same problem. A discussion I had about this process on Facebook also suggested that some drug store peroxides MAY have different stabilizers in them that interfere with the bleaching process, so another brand may help as well. But first, just go longer, that'd be my recommendation. Good luck!!
@67ratsrule
@67ratsrule 3 жыл бұрын
I have a crock pot that I use for C41, so should I put the paterson tank in the crock pot and figure out a constant agitation?
@johnblythe65
@johnblythe65 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tutorial much more straight forward than others I've found. I use 12% HP for making paper positives, have you tried using a more concentrated bleach solution for film (perhaps without the vinegar) or is it too strong for it? Thanks
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 4 жыл бұрын
I've personally not used stronger but several people have commented that they've used 9% with good results. I've not heard anyone using 12%, but if its working ok on paper, I'd suspect it'd be just fine for film as well.
@AssistantLeaflet
@AssistantLeaflet 2 жыл бұрын
I dilute some 35% peroxide to 15% or even 19% and on fomapan 400 it worked great and made it a bit clearer.
@db3830
@db3830 3 жыл бұрын
Has anyone tried this with ilford FP4 plus shot at 125 ? The reversal works but the negs. Keep coming out very dark.
@NGC6144
@NGC6144 3 жыл бұрын
I just processed FP4 and tried HP5 last night and I'm having the same problem. The FP4 is a little better but they are coming out really dark, almost black.
@db3830
@db3830 3 жыл бұрын
@@NGC6144 yeah .. I don’t know what’s up with that …
@user-hp7mt5vb7u
@user-hp7mt5vb7u Жыл бұрын
Hello, how do we make the bleaching standards sufficient for 1 liter for a Russian tank to develop 16, 8 mm film, is there an increase in the standards of peroxide, vinegar, or just increase the water to the standard in the video, so that it becomes 1 liter, waiting for your reply, thanks,
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere Жыл бұрын
Just mix a bigger batch. It scales up linearly.
@rogerb5615
@rogerb5615 Жыл бұрын
Rodinal 100:1 semi-stand development for 40 minutes +/- produces contrasty, dense negatives with several Ilford and offbrand emulsions I shoot. Stand-develop for 60 minutes produces an absurdly dense negative. Do you think this might be a good option for the first development? And if so, how long for the post-peroxide second development? Thank you.
@ezekiel8980
@ezekiel8980 5 ай бұрын
hi! nice video and new suscriber here. i want to start innto reversal world, but wanna use ilford B&W paper, did you know if the proportion are the same?
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 5 ай бұрын
Yes, it works about the same on ilford paper, and as an advantage you can watch the process under a safelight.
@hamishmccool7896
@hamishmccool7896 3 жыл бұрын
How about Stop Bath instead of vinegar as the activator? Lately I am using EcoPro, which is citric acid based and discussed here and elsewhere. What are your thoughts on ratios and volumes using acetic acid stop bath or stock glacial acetic acid ? Both are also readily available in most of our darkrooms. As a note, I use stop bath after 2nd developer, not so much to halt development, which has in theory gone to completion, but rather to prevent contamination of my fixer and prolong its use life. Remember the Light!
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 3 жыл бұрын
In theory stop bath SHOULD work, but I've never actually tried it. Stop bath is supposed to have a PH of 2.4, and regular vinegar has a PH of 2.5 so they're very close. I'd bet you'd get away with roughly the same ratio there. Glacial Acetic Acid contains less than 1% water. So for our purposes we can probably just assume its 100% acetic acid and dilute it in a ratio of 19:1 to get essentially the 5% white vinegar I'm using.
@alexcleall
@alexcleall 4 жыл бұрын
Just tried this on a roll of Ilford Pan 400, whole roll came out black. First development went smoothly. Pushed to 800 so developed for 22min. I mixed my hydrogen peroxide (9%) with equal parts water to get a 4.5% solution then added the vinegar. Bleached film at 32.c (since I couldn't get it up to temp) for 12 minutes and checked it to see that it had not changed one bit. Tried room temp stand process for 55min which started to bleach it so I did an extra half an hour. It barely changed at all in that time. Then reverted back to the process in the video, 38.c for 6 minutes. This got it to a point where it looked like it might work however it was not fully clear. Exposed it, developed it for 6 min then fixed it to find that the roll is mostly black. There is a slight trace of the images however they're unusable due to the fact they have a mottled pattern covering them as well as being extremely dark. Any idea what could have went wrong?
@alexcleall
@alexcleall 4 жыл бұрын
Was using ilfosol 3 1+14 dilution* standard developing time for the film is about 10 minutes at 20.c, 15min when pushed 1 stop. I developed at 24.c for the 22 min.
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 4 жыл бұрын
Several people have reported bleaching issues now, so you're not alone. 32C isn't hot enough, it stops reacting much below 38C/100F. 40C is even better. That's odd that after three attempts on the same roll it wasn't going far. I'd suggest since you HAVE 9% peroxide use it straight, I've heard from several people now that 9% is more effective anyway. I'd say grab a film leader (The black bit at the end of the roll) and toss it in the bleach in the light and see if it reacts. If all goes well you can watch it bleach out. It should totally remove the developed silver, leaving only clear highlights and milky white undeveloped silver.
@alexcleall
@alexcleall 4 жыл бұрын
​@@GoEverywhere Still have 250ml of the peroxide. Tank requires 300ml for 35mm. Will probably use what I have left mixed with the 15ml of vinegar and top it up with water to get to 300ml. Thanks for replying, much appreciated.
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 4 жыл бұрын
That'd probably be fine. Still stronger than 3%. I'm happy to help, sorry you're off to a rocky start!
@dbaker2919
@dbaker2919 3 жыл бұрын
I tried it with some HP4+, and it worked great! Pretty much the same process you demonstrated, except I used 9% H202 with not quite twice as much Vinegar. If anything, I would like for the slides to have just slightly more contrast. But, I am not sure what variable to change to accomplish this; or is it even possible? First developer time, maybe? You are doing some amazing and unique work. Thanks!
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind words! Its a bit hard to adjust contrast in development with reversal, but you can try going longer in the first dev. That'll make some difference. Good luck!!
@applicationuser9764
@applicationuser9764 Ай бұрын
Well the procedure does work with HIE. It works better if you use hydrogen peroxide with your vinegar instead of water. That was my screw up. I've had a severe cognitive decline with parkinson's. Otherwise, yes. Before you say anything. Yes I do have the instructions taped to the wall right in front of where I do my work. I'm that stupid. From a technical point of view, the images did come out they're just very dark. I tried re- bleaching but I'm not sure the results will change much.
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere Ай бұрын
Heh, yeah mixing it properly helps a bit! Glad to hear it did work once you got it sorted :)
@applicationuser9764
@applicationuser9764 Ай бұрын
@@GoEverywhere I guess that's how we learn to pay attention. At least I've got a whole bunch more HIE and other IR Exotica to play with.
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere Ай бұрын
You'll have to share some. I can't say I've ever seen an IR reversal before.
@applicationuser9764
@applicationuser9764 Ай бұрын
@@GoEverywhere you want some film to try? Personally I like the Rollei. It's also fresh so no heartaches. I'll send you some of the old stuff if you want but no guarantees. Ultimately, I want to use it in my stereo camera. Infrared stereo!
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere Ай бұрын
@@applicationuser9764 I wouldn't say no... Have to see if Ive got an IR filter in my collection somewhere. Been ages since I've shot any.
@MichaelCarter
@MichaelCarter 4 жыл бұрын
That process may work on movie film. I mean 16mm film on a 110 spool. Or Fomapan R-100 double 8mm.
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 4 жыл бұрын
Yep, totally does. I've done some 16mm reversals with my Bolex using this.
@pedade02
@pedade02 4 жыл бұрын
For me, it almost works with Fomapan R100 movie film - But too much dark. For still film Tri-x 400, nothing works; this formula, second trial with 50ml vinagar, 3rd 12min bleach, 4th 18min bleach. Always blackish. I have projector and I can always see some positive, but so dark, not pleasant. Tried other film brands, none works - different times, different temperatures, Allways 3% peroxide... nothing good. Just very very black positives. So I wait 35% peroxide I will dilute to see if it will improve...
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 4 жыл бұрын
Boy, it sounds like you've tried most of the things I'd have suggested! Usually more vinegar or more time solves that. Are you doing it at the suggested temperature, not room temp?
@pedade02
@pedade02 4 жыл бұрын
Today I got stronger peroxide 9% for bleaching and added to it double vinegar quantity that you suggest; so HC110 first development 12 min, bleach 8 min at 100 degrees F, reexpose to light 1 min, and second developpement in same HC110 8 min, normal fixer, let it dry... now works for Fomapan R100.
@2001Holger
@2001Holger 4 жыл бұрын
Nicely done man!
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks much Holger!
@amandacerami6143
@amandacerami6143 4 жыл бұрын
Ugh this is amazing! Thanks so much. Have you ever tried this while printing in the darkroom? I'm in the process of working with archival slide film and wondering if I can use this solution to get a positive print instead of potassium permanganate or dichromate bleach.
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 4 жыл бұрын
My pleasure, and yes you can! I've done reversal prints with this process pretty regularly. I most often use them to do in-camera positives. Shoot some paper in camera, and reversal process it to get a print without a negative. Same idea as what you're doing basically!
@amandacerami6143
@amandacerami6143 4 жыл бұрын
@@GoEverywhere What wonderful news! I'll explore with it this week then :) Thanks again. Such a huge help!
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 4 жыл бұрын
My pleasure! Good luck!!
@grutza2
@grutza2 4 жыл бұрын
Would this process work for Adox Scala 160? I'm a newbie to processing film and have been looking around for guides and tutorials. I'd be looking at Caffenol for devloper (correct?), so then I would just need the two (hydrogen peroxide and white vinegar) other ingredients (and possibly photoflo?)
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 4 жыл бұрын
It aught to! While I've not personally tried it on Scala, its a B&W film like any other, so you should be fine to run it and I'd expect you'd end up with nice looking slides! You'd be on your own for development times for Caffenol as a first developer but again, any B&W dev CAN be used. I just personally like HC-110. Good luck!
@carolinealfonso8739
@carolinealfonso8739 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video I’m super excited to try this method! Is it just constant agitation during each step?
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 3 жыл бұрын
I use a Jobo processor which is constant agitation, but you can use regular 3 times every minute if you're hand processing.
@jimofmarseille
@jimofmarseille 4 жыл бұрын
Hello, thanks for the tutorial, is this something that can be used ti process ektachrome in black and white processing (I have dozens of old E100VS that have a huge color shift) ?
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 4 жыл бұрын
I've never specifically tried it on Ektachrome, but I'd expect it'd work fine.
@jimofmarseille
@jimofmarseille 4 жыл бұрын
@@GoEverywhere No the film has a very dark brown-red mask. I'm trying to find a solution to get rid of this mask
@rodofiron5957
@rodofiron5957 2 жыл бұрын
Well, first time through with PlusX reversal 7265(?) Morse G3…. Just completed HC-110 (B) ; EDTA Hyd. Peroxide /Citric Acid Bleach; NA Bisulfite exposure to light**, redevelop with HC110. wash, legacy pro fixer photoflo… All looked great at the halfway point, although final result very faint. Suspicious of insufficient exposure to light. Held entire tank with window open up to led long bulb (sort of a fluorescent replacement) slowly cranked entire strip past the open illuminated window. Results seem very faint. 12min 1st development 9min bleach 6 min 2nd development. Fixer. Wash.
@helinophoto
@helinophoto 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! Quick question, can any of these steps be done in the light, so that it is possible to visually inspect the process as you go along? I would believe after exposing the film to light, the first time, no..?
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, after the light exposure you can totally complete the rest of the process in the light if you want to.
@helinophoto
@helinophoto 3 жыл бұрын
@@GoEverywhere Thanks! I went out with my trusty Bessa II and two rolls of film to try. First film, Foma 100 @ 100, came out ok, but a tad dark. (made sure to replicate what you do here, to the letter, apart from manual agitation). The second film, was an expired (but kept frozen) Kodak Trix-320 (yes :D ). I basically shot it at box speed, but did not measure too exact, because it was sunny and contrasty anyway, something was bound to shot up. And thus starts the variables. I re-used the first developer from the previous film (perhaps stupid), I let it sit for 20 minutes anyway. Then, as before, I did the bleach again. Then I figured I had to make a new developer for the last part, because I accidentaly poured the dev into the sink =) After exposing the film to a lot of light, and the second development, the film was almost black. So that is strange. Logically: The first development stage is the most important one, to get clear photos, if this is not very "heavy handed", the bleach will not remove everything and the second development might just keep developing that later(?). Can the hydrogen peroxide be reused? I wonder what the half-life is on this. If the bleach is dead, it might not remove the things that it is supposed to remove. (and thus we get a black negative again). (it did bubble though). Anyway to figure out if the problem is the first dev, the bleach or exposure to light? Very cool process, but I need to source my bleach from somewhere other than the pharmacy, it cost about €25 for 500ml there. =D
@bhbvuvocxzhrzrx
@bhbvuvocxzhrzrx 2 жыл бұрын
can i do this with any film stock?
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 2 жыл бұрын
Any B&W stock yes. Some color ones will actually work too but you'll have to play with dev times to adjust density.
@whatwhenwherewhyhi
@whatwhenwherewhyhi 2 жыл бұрын
Would this process work with Adox Scala 50 reversal film? Thanks so much for the tutorial!
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, it should work just fine with Scala.
@josevictorrodriguezquinter3770
@josevictorrodriguezquinter3770 3 жыл бұрын
wow, very cool !
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@67ratsrule
@67ratsrule 3 жыл бұрын
The only variable I can figure on is a JObo does constant agitation? I tried again, with 15 minutes of 1st dev, 8 minutes of bleach, then did the second dev. It started to look too dark again, so i rinsed and did another round of bleach, then fix and it washed away all the images. SO, i will likely need to A. Get a Jobo, and B. Have a constant hot water bath. I ran the dev and the bleach under hot water tap in between agitations. But, it seems to not be keeping the temp high enough for long enough? I have a couple more rolls of Tri X before I move on to another experiment. I am so close.
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 3 жыл бұрын
Well I'll throw a little bit of a wrench in that plan... While I am using a Jobo, I don't use the water bath. So there's no constant heat in my process... And I've done it with a Patterson tank hand process as well. I'd say up the bleach times again, go maybe 10 minutes next?
@EliteGamersCenturion
@EliteGamersCenturion 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome!
@TheBleachedfan
@TheBleachedfan 4 жыл бұрын
Hero status
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 4 жыл бұрын
Hah! I'm just a dude playing a hero on the internet :P
@roberttaylor8488
@roberttaylor8488 Жыл бұрын
I've watched both your videos for slide using colour negative film C-41 and B&W with normal B&W chemistry am I correct? My goal here is to do digital scans of a positive image. Am I on the right page? Just trying to step around my scanner and its convoluted programming and input(s). What you are doing is simplicity and why, why haven't we done this before?
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere Жыл бұрын
You can totally do scans from the positives from my processes. Some people don't mind scanner complexities... Those that do usually just send out their film or shoot digital.
@roberttaylor8488
@roberttaylor8488 Жыл бұрын
@@GoEverywhere My scanner is an older Canon Flatbed which works very well with 120 and LF totally sucks on 35mm. I need to update the software so it'll work on my iMac. I have a 30+ meg mirrorless camera I now plan to produce slides and digitally scan them. Also this allows me to purchase negative films over the price of "normal" slide films. Thanks for your reply and these tutorials
@sangrelac
@sangrelac 4 жыл бұрын
Hi everyone! Have any of you tried this great and easy method with Rollei RPX 25? If yes what was the outcome?
@bamaslamma1003
@bamaslamma1003 2 жыл бұрын
What kind of projector do you use for this frame format?
@CarsonHolstine
@CarsonHolstine 3 жыл бұрын
Now THIS is a bleach I can get behind. Would this work for reversal processing Tri-X or Kodachrome Super 8? If so, this would save a lot of money and be much safer to use than other bleaches I’ve researched. It costs more to buy ventilator filters for dichromate bleach than the bleach itself does.
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 3 жыл бұрын
That was the idea. Normal reversal bleaches are kinda nasty. This stuff isn't! It works fine on Tri-X and Kodachrome in 35mm, so I see no reason it shouldn't work for S8 as well!
@CarsonHolstine
@CarsonHolstine 3 жыл бұрын
@@GoEverywhere Thanks for the response & for the video. This helps a lot.
@67ratsrule
@67ratsrule 3 жыл бұрын
Okay, my third attempt had the film look right after the bleach process, while re-exposing. Did the second developer, and fix plus wash. Film is REALLY dark. I am guessing the second developer was way to long. First two attempts did not look anything ither than black when pulled out of bleach. I am using HC110 del B, and heating chems for first two phases, but forgot to wash after bleach phase. Where to go from here? Film is Tri X. (Please dont tell me that Tri X is the ONLY film that will not work in this process.)
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 3 жыл бұрын
More likely your first dev or bleach were too short. If your first two steps go properly your second developer shouldn't be able to go too long because you've removed all non-image silver at that point. I would go a bit longer in the first developer and see if that helps with it being dark. And don't worry, Tri-X works fine!!
@davidsinger9903
@davidsinger9903 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the reply. I did go longer with the developer but in thinking about it almost certainly not long enough. I was counting rewind cycles based on a post I saw on using the Morse tank and probably only had 6 or 7 minutes in the developer. Since then, I’ve found other posts that use time, as much as 14 and 20 minutes. I think that is exactly what you are suggesting, how do you feel about developing for say 15 minutes? I will shot another 25’ roll and try again.
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 3 жыл бұрын
Ohh yeah, you're WAY too short. If you notice in the video, I'm running my first developer for 12 minutes with a standard tank. With the Morse you'll be even more than that (I forget how much you increase by but more than 12 minutes).
@de4edag
@de4edag 2 жыл бұрын
This looks great. Can I use this also with paper instead of film? And would a solution of 9% peroxide would also work? Would love to make paper negatives into posetives this way. Did see some recipe with citric acid, but would be great if vinegar also works. Thanks!
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 2 жыл бұрын
You sure can! Makes for some really nice direct positives especially if you shoot larger formats. Some people have had luck with 9% though I've never used it myself.
@de4edag
@de4edag 2 жыл бұрын
Cool. Just got myself a 4x5 camera. Should be fun!
@SinaFarhat
@SinaFarhat 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the guide!
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 4 жыл бұрын
My pleasure! Hope it was useful!
@SinaFarhat
@SinaFarhat 4 жыл бұрын
@@GoEverywhere It was! Between your guide and the expensive Rollei bw slide kit I will pick your method and do some experiments!
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 4 жыл бұрын
@@SinaFarhat Yeah, that kit is expensive and very harsh chemistry. This is much easier, hope it works well for you!
@SinaFarhat
@SinaFarhat 4 жыл бұрын
@@GoEverywhere thanks!
@tamassanta6819
@tamassanta6819 7 ай бұрын
Hello there, Hope you are well. How many percentage was the hydrogen peroxide you used? Thanks.
@8bit_cat72
@8bit_cat72 7 ай бұрын
He said he used hydrogen peroxide at a dilution of 3%
@tamassanta6819
@tamassanta6819 7 ай бұрын
Thank you.
@uriellopez2130
@uriellopez2130 3 жыл бұрын
I have some Metol-Hydroquinone developer and the instructions read to put 2.5 mL of developer into 300 mL of water The film processes in 30 minutes using a semi stand method what will be needed to change so I can do the black and white reversal? Thanks -Uriel.
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 3 жыл бұрын
You're on your own for times for other developers, though typically you'll want to start around a 5 stop push. That's usually close to right.
@RodUSMC75
@RodUSMC75 4 жыл бұрын
I am trying this!!!
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 4 жыл бұрын
I hope so!!
@adolfofernandezdotcom
@adolfofernandezdotcom 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 4 жыл бұрын
You bet!
@daniwallwork5054
@daniwallwork5054 3 жыл бұрын
incredible !!! I tried the one that you did in the other video 120mm Expired Ektachrome 100 iso , exposed at 64 iso ( 16 years ) with Rodinal 1/25 and Double Time Blix ( 12 min ) as you said and the results were amazing .🙌🏻🙌🏻 Thank You 😊. Im trying this week to do it with FP4+. Rodinal 1/25 . I didn't find here in Spain HP liquid at 3% at my local drugstore they only sale the one in gel that you use for discolor the hair , the only one I found is the one that they sell in the Pharmacy to cure wounds and is 6% . But the Pharmacist told me if I mix the 250ml of HP at 6% with 250ml of distilled water I will get 500ml of 3% HP. The Question is if a have 500ml I will have to put 30ml of white vinegar no ? . ANd Another Question the whole process will have to be at 38C ?- Summary of the Process just to double check : 1#Develop it Rodinal 1/25 - 12 mins _ @ 38ºC ( I don't have HC110 and because it worked in the E6 process I will use this one) _Wash 2# ( H2O2 3% 500ml + 30ml white Vinegar ( cooking vinegar made from white wine 6%. acid ) 6 mins _ @ 38ºC 3# Expose The Film both sides 2 or 3 times . Put it back in the Spiral 4# Use the same developer I used of the #1 ( I don't do a new one no? even if I use Rodinal no ?) 6 min_ @38ºC ? _ ?¿ or 9 mins @20ºC as is marked in The Massive Dev Chart for Rodinal 1/25 with FP4+ . 5# Fixer 5-7 min normal temperature 20ºC 6#Wash and dry . Thanks in advance 🙌🏻🙌🏻 dani_wallwork .
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 3 жыл бұрын
Yep, that looks correct. If the Rodinal worked fine for you with the E6 process, it'll work fine here as well. I use HC-110 exactly the same for both processes. Your pharmacist is correct, you can dilute it down to 3%, though using it at 6% should actually be ok too. If you get too concentrated it starts to damage the emulsion, but I've seen people use up to 12% and it seems to be ok. Good luck!!
@daniwallwork5054
@daniwallwork5054 3 жыл бұрын
@@GoEverywhere thanks man . im just trying right now 🤘🏻🤘🏻😎. let you know the results 👍 in a few minutes 😜
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 3 жыл бұрын
Good luck!!!
@daniwallwork5054
@daniwallwork5054 3 жыл бұрын
@@GoEverywhere amazing they came out great!!! . a bit yellowish but I think is because the vinegar I used is a bit yellowish color I will try to find one that is totally clear color . thanks again 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻😊❤️😎
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome, good job! Glad to see it worked out for you!!
@heyeusangels1069
@heyeusangels1069 4 жыл бұрын
Question do you know what would happen if I used stop bath in the process as if I was doing normal black and white chemistry?
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 4 жыл бұрын
You can, I use a water stop but regular stop would work fine as well.
@davidsinger9903
@davidsinger9903 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like I should go for 20 minutes with the first developer. What do you think for time for the second development?
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 3 жыл бұрын
Its almost impossible to over develop the second developer, so going 20 again won't hurt. Usually I'll just go for whatever the manufacturer's suggested time for the second dev is.
@jakecollinge9442
@jakecollinge9442 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, i'm using a paterson tank which requires 290ml of liquid to cover the film but I usually round up to 300ml just to be safe. Your ratio of hydrogen peroxide to white vinegar is 250:15ml. Am I right in thinking I should adjust my ratio to 300:18ml (assuming my maths is correct) if thats how much it takes to cover the film? Or should I use 300:15? Also, have you tried this process with higher speed films? If so, does development time need adjusting for denser negatives? I watched your C41 reversal process video where you recommend shooting two stops over, why is this not the case with black and white? (sorry if thats a daft question!) Great video! I have bought some slide mounts and am planning making my own slides this weekend!
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, 300:18 would be correct. Honestly 300:15 would probably totally be fine too, but better not to monkey with the ratio too much. I've done it with higher speed negatives, and the first dev time is about the same no matter what. You're doing quite a big push already that most films will come out correct at those times. The two stop pull on the C41 reversal film is to help reduce the orange base on the film since nearly all C41 film has an orange base. B&W film doesn't have that so no need for it.
@voyagersquaremuzika
@voyagersquaremuzika 4 жыл бұрын
Is it the same process with the Rodinal? I mean using Rodinal solutions and times and add the hydrogen peroxide like shown here? Thanks
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 4 жыл бұрын
Theoretically yes, though I've never tried it. It aught to work but you'd be on your own for times. I'd suggest maybe trying for about a 5 stop push.
@peternoeth4124
@peternoeth4124 2 жыл бұрын
Where did you get the projector in this video? I am looking for something to project half frame filmstrips. If I can get a projector, then I would like to try your process for my own filmstrips.
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 2 жыл бұрын
I found mine at an antique store... They were made for schools where they would purchase half frame 'educational' rolls to go with them. I rarely use it though. You could probably convince me to make you a deal on it :)
@peternoeth4124
@peternoeth4124 2 жыл бұрын
@@GoEverywhere Thanks for the reply. I thought it was a kids toy since it seemed so small. I think I will go for a Standard 750RR-2 projector as it will also do conventional slides. I think I will try the process for 3D stereo slides though. Some subjects would look better in B&W.
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 2 жыл бұрын
Ohh, B&W stereo slides would be a LOT of fun. You'll have to let me know how that turns out.
@Elad6k
@Elad6k 4 жыл бұрын
Why do you use vinegar while the other side of the internet uses citric acid? What is the key element for making sure the bleeching will be good? And can I use Ilford Perceptol or microphen? I just got some for free so it's a good sacrificial developer for that process and if so, what dilution to use, the stronget or second dilution like you did with the the hc110?. I'm asking this after two failed attempts at delta 100 4x5 that came out black at the end and from the comments I read here snd video I took of the reexposure it looks like my bleech wasn't strong enough. Btw I used R09 (one shot) at 1+25(dilution a)twice! One batch for the first dev and another fresh one for the second dev, after the first failed attempt I thought that reusing the one shot was the issue… Well, thank you for that wonderful video, I just got my self some 17% hydrogen peroxide from a hydro grow store and waiting for your input and after reading the comments here I think that a follow up video will be good. Thank you.
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 4 жыл бұрын
I use vinegar because the point of the chemical is to increase acidity and vinegar is a nice acid that doesn't have other effects in the chemistry. I had vinegar handy when I was working all this out so that's what I used. At the time I wasn't aware of the citric acid recipes, I need at some point to go back and try them and see how they compare to my vinegar recipe. Perceptol or microphen AUGHT to work, the trick is developing to completion. I don't use either of those developers so you're on your own for times and dilutions, but I'd recommend strong and long. Go for like a 5 stop push and see if that works. Let me know how the 17% Peroxide works for you, I've had a few people ask but I don't have access to 17% so I've never tried it. In THEORY it aught to be better, but I'd love first hand tests!
@yosemitesamiam
@yosemitesamiam 4 жыл бұрын
EPIC! I’ve just loaded up a roll of Pan F. I think it’s time to give this a go. Thanks KSF!
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 4 жыл бұрын
Good luck!!!
@davidsinger9903
@davidsinger9903 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting this process, so cool! I’m a real newbie at film developing but I’ve recently got the 8mm b&w bug again so I tried this with some Fomapan R100 and it WORKED! The images are slightly thin and have a lot of grain but not dark as many people are reporting. I used HC110, H2O2 and vinegar and followed your instructions exactly with the exception of the first development not being at 100 to 105 degrees, it was at 70 degrees (I didn’t see that comment until I read your reply to a post). Any thoughts on the grainy issue? Thanks again.
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 3 жыл бұрын
They could be grainy from being a little thin. I'd say try going a bit longer for second dev. And B&W 8mm is a LOT of fun! Its a small format though, so some grain is gonna happen basically no matter what. Good luck!
@davidsinger9903
@davidsinger9903 3 жыл бұрын
@@GoEverywhere Thank you, I’ll give it another try today.
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 3 жыл бұрын
Let me know how it goes, I'm happy to help you troubleshoot or tweak it!
@davidsinger9903
@davidsinger9903 3 жыл бұрын
@@GoEverywhere This time the film came out of the beach completely clear, no image at all. I warmed the first developer to 100-105 degrees instead of room temp and bleached for 8 min instead of 6. Probably should not have made 2 changes at the same time so I don’t know which change caused the blank film. I’m just doing short 3 foot lengths of the movie film at a time so I still have more to experiment with. Maybe go back to the first developer at room temp? Your thoughts please. Thank you.
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I'd say go back to room temp. Sounds like maybe the first dev went TOO far? Thats hard to do but not impossible. Try that and see where you get.
@LillySchwartz
@LillySchwartz 4 жыл бұрын
As always the chemistry wizard at work, fantastic! I have to try this! Only problem is that white vinegar is impossible to get over here. I know, I know, I live in a very strange place! Would Apple Cider Vinegar work for this too? PS: Big applause for managing to talk while your cat assistant was meowing for attention! I would have meowed right back mid sentence!
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 4 жыл бұрын
I would THINK Apple Cider Vinegar would be ok but I've never tried it. The goal is to increase the acidity and any Vinegar will do that... Give it a shot and let me know! :)
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 4 жыл бұрын
And thank God for noise cancelling mics... My cat is a Bengal, so he's REALLY loud!
@karlmatthias2698
@karlmatthias2698 3 жыл бұрын
White vinegar is hard to get here also. Distilled malt vinegar works (think fish and chips)
@RJMPictures
@RJMPictures 3 жыл бұрын
I just tried this with Kodak 2238 @ISO12. Final result was almost pitch black positives. I could see images by shining a tactical flashlight through it but that defeats the whole purpose. I'm wondering if I might have reexposed for too long or maybe the film stock itself is just too slow
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 3 жыл бұрын
I'd guess that likely your bleach didn't go for long enough. If you try again, go with longer or hotter bleach and see how it does.
@RJMPictures
@RJMPictures 2 жыл бұрын
@@GoEverywhere well now we know that it was the wrong bleach altogether lol. thanks again man
@de4edag
@de4edag 2 жыл бұрын
Hi there! maybe a silly question but i'm gonna ask him anyway.... You can make a reversal with regular b&w film or paper using your developing recipe. But what is the use of the dedicated reversal film? I want to shoot some Kodak Tri-X super 8 film and want to develop it myself. Do I need to follow your recipe for this film also? I'm a bit confused with the negative vs reversal film and the DIY developing. Hope you can help me out here. Thanks
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 2 жыл бұрын
It depends a lot on what sort of dedicated reversal. A lot of 'reversal' films are just regular film that you can reverse with a reversal process like mine. Tri-X Super 8 film is like that. Its just normal Tri-X so this process works just fine on it... There are other reversal films called DIRECT reversal films that will reverse themselves in normal developer. You wouldn't want to use my process on those or you'd get a negative. But you're fine for that use!
@de4edag
@de4edag 2 жыл бұрын
@@GoEverywhere that's great info! They are just regular b&w film haha briljant. I'm gonna try the paper negatives and the super 8 with your methode soon. Exciting! Thank you so much for your help.
@rdeosg
@rdeosg 4 жыл бұрын
I haven’t tried this yet but that was fascinating! Also this is my first ever comment on the KZfaq’s. You’re welcome. 🤓🤣
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 4 жыл бұрын
Well, im honored Chris :)
@jwp8212
@jwp8212 4 жыл бұрын
Cool tutorial! So what about pushing (and pulling) are dev times still the same?
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, as far as I've tested which is 2 stops push and 2 stops pull. Beyond that you may need to alter times in the first developer.
@FieryIcicle
@FieryIcicle 4 жыл бұрын
Really cool process. Im in the UK and have been looking for a way to do this. However, the only other way I have seen requires sulphuric acid which is illegal to buy here in the needed concentrations. Just one question through, when you remove the finished film from the tank, it looks 'brown ish'. Does this fade as the film dries or is there a permeant 'brown' cast to the images created.
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 4 жыл бұрын
Seems to depend a bit on the emulsion. The JCH Streetpan I used for this video fades down to ALMOST totally black. Just the tiniest of 'warm' cast. I've done it with others (Acros 100 for example) that the brown tinge goes away completely.
@FieryIcicle
@FieryIcicle 4 жыл бұрын
@@GoEverywhere Thanks very helpful. now I just need to try it out for myself
@teyjingwoon
@teyjingwoon 4 жыл бұрын
Do you need to put fixer at the last step ?
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 4 жыл бұрын
You don't technically NEED to, but if you don't manage to develop all the silver what's left will eventually solarize and fog the film, so I do just as a preventative.
@briansegarra9312
@briansegarra9312 4 жыл бұрын
Very nice do you know if this works with darkroom paper or other b&w films specially the bleach, I'm gathering stiff to this but the bleach is a 4 step process first is 12% peroxide then citric acid and repeat the peroxide and critric acid once more then develop again , also did you over expose the film or just overdevelop
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, it absolutely works with darkroom paper and other film-like materials. I've used it to shoot in-camera positives on paper before in fact. I didn't over expose the film, just overdevelop in the first dev.
@briansegarra9312
@briansegarra9312 4 жыл бұрын
That I'll try it with paper 🙌🏻🙌🏻 also the bleach can be reused for how much time ,? If I use strong peroxide can I used it at normal temp ?
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 4 жыл бұрын
@@briansegarra9312 You can absolutely reuse it, I use mine for 2 or 3 months usually. Unfortunately I've never had any luck running it at normal temp, it just doesn't seem to be active enough at room temp.
@LighterThanAir
@LighterThanAir 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing how to develop black and white reversals using much less scary chemistry. Have you tried this process with Kentmere 400 or Ilford PAN100 film? I've tried both of them and the bleach process didn't went well. I've tried 20C overnight, 38C 8 minutes, 48C 8 minutes and 60C 8.5 minutes, and all of them were unsuccessful, the images were still negative when they came out the bleach.
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 4 жыл бұрын
I've done it with Ilford Pan F before, but I've had several people report that they've had to increase the amount of vinegar they have to add to the peroxide to get it to function. It seems like there's some variation in peroxide strengths and purity from region to region. I'd suggest doubling the vinegar and trying again, that should make the bleach mixture more active and it should hopefully get over the issue you're seeing. Good luck!!
@LighterThanAir
@LighterThanAir 4 жыл бұрын
@@GoEverywhere Actually I use quite a lot of acid in the bleach solution, I used 10g 99% acetic acid(around 20 times the concentration of white vinegar) in 500ml of bleach, bringing the pH down to around 2.5. Also, I use D76(stock dilution, 20C) as the developer, developing time was 18 minutes for Kentmere 400 and 14 minutes for Ilford PAN100.
@ezekielkok1848
@ezekielkok1848 3 жыл бұрын
Anyone tried with ddx ?
@ammartaibi8011
@ammartaibi8011 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tutorial. Do you know the dev times for D76?
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 4 жыл бұрын
I've not personally tried it with D-76, but I've had people report about a 5 stop push works about right.
@ammartaibi8011
@ammartaibi8011 4 жыл бұрын
@@GoEverywhere thank you very much I'm gonna try it now. I'll give back the report. I'm trying with ilford hp5 4x5
@de4edag
@de4edag 2 жыл бұрын
One more question: what ISO do you rate your paper?
@GoEverywhere
@GoEverywhere 2 жыл бұрын
Usually ISO6 works best for me.
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