Black Men and Love

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F.D Signifier

F.D Signifier

Күн бұрын

The discourse for discussing black men and relationships is... spotty to say the least. Between the rise of certain relationship commentators, the "Divestment" movement, and everything in between, there's a lot of people saying a lot of stuff at the extremes of this topic.
While there are important nuggets of information and discussions going on, I can't help but feel like there's a few important pieces of the puzzle that haven't been talked about yet. With that in mind, I figured I'd try to add my two cents, talk about a few of my favorite movies (Love Jones and Love and Basketball) that I haven't seen people talk about in a while, and bring up a few more examples of how black men experience and receive love.
To add to the pot, I also brought in a few friends from various communities, ages, and experiences to speak on what they see and feel as well. So we cover a bit of everything, being vulnerable, lacking emotional connection, playing a man's role, and the closest thing a man has to lacking pretty privilege... being broke!
All that and more on this episode of the Black Media Breakdown.
00:00 Intro
02:19 Story Time! (How I met my wife)
07:09 Are black men "Falling in love"?
09:25 Masculinity vs Vulnerability
27:45 Love or Role Competency pt 1
33:07 Broke Boys Don't Deserve no...?
41:10 Love or Role Competency pt 2
54:24 When the Love is Gone
58:26 Final Thoughts
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@neekromancer
@neekromancer 2 жыл бұрын
I love how pro-men your content is without being anti-woman! You talk & I hear someone who really gets it!!
@lovelylinda8891
@lovelylinda8891 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed!
@elmstreet2036
@elmstreet2036 2 жыл бұрын
YEESSS
@kevingonzalez-james6421
@kevingonzalez-james6421 2 жыл бұрын
Beautifully said.
@ioriginale
@ioriginale 2 жыл бұрын
Notwithstanding, I actually think his take on the bleachers scene between Monica and Quincy in Love and Basketball was "anti-woman" in it's disregard and dismissal of Monica's needs and the complexities of her psychological and emotional experience at the time. The whole point of this movie is to look at how a young woman is tasked to juggle her professional ambitions with her personal aspiration for Love within an aggressively patriarchal construct - the world of basketball. FD's commentary overlooked the fact that Monica is doing her best to support Q emotionally by actually BEING THERE as long as she is allowed(curfew). That counts for nothing apparently. She's literally trying her best to balance her own needs/interests with his and he(Q) like men often do, is always going to believe his needs in the moment are more important than a life/career that she's worked her ass off for without the help of an NBA legacy to inherit or a penis between her legs. Meanwhile, while Monica is expected to perform all this emotional labor for Q and gets punished when she isn't able to due to constraints outside is her control, when SHE is going through her own existential crisis (lonely in Europe questioning her dreams and her love for basketball), she is forced to deal with it ALONE. And because women are expected to perform emotional labor for men REGARDLESS of what costs, pains, consequences the woman may incur, is exactly why young Black women of today are becoming less and less sympathetic to black men's plight.
@CorneliusVango
@CorneliusVango 2 жыл бұрын
I agree, also your language is clear and precise while also being inclusive.
@GoonyGoogles
@GoonyGoogles 3 жыл бұрын
I recently went on a marathon of your videos. All I can say is thank you bro.
@ChannelFiend
@ChannelFiend 3 жыл бұрын
Likewise. I am enjoying his presentation & perspective.
@jramzy00
@jramzy00 3 жыл бұрын
Yes. Its refreshing to not be flooded with the stream of “alpha male” v “beta male” yt videos. I appreciate the complexity of the conversation and that F.G doesn’t pull punches asking us to look at our own behavior/biases/feelings.
@gutztheoghimbo3012
@gutztheoghimbo3012 3 жыл бұрын
@@jramzy00 Always click "Not interested" or "Do not recommend this channel" it will influence the algorithm for the better
@journeytoloveparis
@journeytoloveparis 3 жыл бұрын
For real ✊🏾
@billpecoraro8421
@billpecoraro8421 2 жыл бұрын
same here
@veronica-wolfmaiden5383
@veronica-wolfmaiden5383 3 жыл бұрын
I love the fact that you provide a nontoxic male perspective on black cultural and social matters. I watch a lot of black female video essays so this is an interesting change of pace.
@thasthar
@thasthar 3 жыл бұрын
That is exactly how I fell. So good see more and more perspective, see discussion like that for black man cis heterosexual is rich too, 'cause patriarch, racism, etc., impact people lifes in society and is unfortunate when we can't even see how impact. See that make easy too us understand each other, see others perspective and even similar perspective too.
@hazelbasil6451
@hazelbasil6451 3 жыл бұрын
@The Golden Sphere you seem very pressed. Try to watch the video and actually listen to what he is saying, the ppl here are not trying to attack you or take away your manhood dear! Stay blessed
@hazelbasil6451
@hazelbasil6451 3 жыл бұрын
@The Golden Sphere I'm going to pray for you...That's not a joke by the way, I just said a prayer for you! I hope god softens your heart and clears your eyes.
@hazelbasil6451
@hazelbasil6451 3 жыл бұрын
@The Golden Sphere lol
@Elusive25
@Elusive25 2 жыл бұрын
so the maturity of men (black) have toxic perspectives?? You didn't write I watch a lot of non toxic female videos.....this is the bullshit that will keep men away from you. That backhanded expression will float and kill any relationship you will have...fix that.
@cannadesmond
@cannadesmond 3 жыл бұрын
As a consumer of a lot of black feminist media. This was so insightful and well composed, Enjoyed listening to black men's perspectives without the anti feminism rhetoric. I love how you address that patriarchy negatively affects men as well.
@mellissa7206
@mellissa7206 3 жыл бұрын
Yesss like there is a space for this
@babyjki444
@babyjki444 3 жыл бұрын
yessss!!
@cannadesmond
@cannadesmond 3 жыл бұрын
@P White umm what??
@cannadesmond
@cannadesmond 3 жыл бұрын
@P White I don't know if you noticed but there's a box where you can make your own comment and talk about how you feel about the video. 💚 👍🏿
@wephilips6651
@wephilips6651 3 жыл бұрын
@The Golden Sphere you need help
@TakaMitsukai
@TakaMitsukai 3 жыл бұрын
So, I actually came here in a somewhat desperate attempt to understand my boyfriend. He's a great guy but seems to be incapable of opening up and being vulnerable with me. So, in an effort to meet him where he's at, I went searching to see what black men are feeling and thinking about. Obviously you guys aren't a monolith, so I know this one video won't cover everything, but it definitely gave me some insight. I have a lot of things to think about and hopefully this will help me be a better partner to him. Strangely, this helps me understand what I'm looking for in a partner as an educated black woman, also. So regardless of how this relationship turns out, I do feel like I've gotten quite a bit of clarity. Thank you for such approachable, digestible, and honest media.
@FDSignifire
@FDSignifire 3 жыл бұрын
damn i appreciate your vulnerability in sharing this. I'm humbled that I helped in any way. I wish you the best of luck with your guy.
@Elusive25
@Elusive25 2 жыл бұрын
maybe you just want too much...pick the most important..
@m4riel
@m4riel 2 жыл бұрын
@Diaw Sankara It's not about sheltering her partner, it's about recognizing that the issues they have don't come from nowhere and actually have common reasons and understanding that is an important first step to reaching a solution.
@LimewaterMusic
@LimewaterMusic 2 жыл бұрын
@blackJack seems like you’re pretty deeply confused about pretty much everything when it comes to this topic. Glad you’re in the right place and hopefully will learn something.
@graceblossoms130
@graceblossoms130 2 жыл бұрын
@@Elusive25 shut up
@jebbushu711
@jebbushu711 3 жыл бұрын
Tbh even though im gay myself i think its really good that youre doing things focused for straight men, theres not enough people out there giving good guidance to straight men and they end up in those redpill channels. Good luck with growing the channel, these vids are what people need
@missshannonsunshine
@missshannonsunshine 3 жыл бұрын
I agree. I’ve never heard of how black men feel and their brain in a non toxic and empathetic way. It makes me so happy to see what I knew was already real and out there
@happylindsay4475
@happylindsay4475 3 жыл бұрын
This!!! Thank you
@youngidealist
@youngidealist 2 жыл бұрын
Very great point. Try not to get caught up in the compared oppression for this next point, as I'm not equivocating anyone's struggles. To the best of my observations, as a small minority group struggles, they tend to follow through that struggle with the strategies of community just to survive. No one is trading places from a majority to a minority, BUT having some niche communities you can reach out to for support is something to envy when you need and don't have that support. I am straight and white. I've also got some kind of undiagnosed neurodivergence issues I've always struggled with. While it's painful to be alone, what's kept me out of the redpill spaces is the fact that my complaints in life are all entrenched by how inconsistant and dumb people generally are. Those spaces have zero consistency and thus zero real answers. But for those who might be neurodivergent or even just beneath a standard deviation from the mean IQ and not also obsessed with making the world make sense for it, I get why it's attractive from a straight white community perspective. White American communities are not close supportive communities at all. So, even though I still struggle and trigger people with my lack of social intelligence and preference for logic and reason over navigating people's feelings or social heirarchies, I merely preferred to seek a sense of community from learning about the struggles of people who felt ostricized like me, but they knew the reasons why. Hense, my genuine interest in this space.
@loveriotradio
@loveriotradio 2 жыл бұрын
yeah, I left Fresh and Fit and now look to this channel for ways improve as a man. Black & 21 btw
@imjustsaying364
@imjustsaying364 2 жыл бұрын
I’m strait, light complexion, long hair and racially ambiguous and have never met anyone who said I was unattractive even at my heaviest weight. My dad is Black. I grew up with my dad’s family and have his last name. Having said all that, i realize we do not all experience love in the same way, I believe your channel is necessary and I appreciate your work so much! I believe all of us Black people need to deeply examine our emotions and learn to express them in a healthy way. Thank you!!
@jnyerere
@jnyerere 3 жыл бұрын
That Chris Rock clip is so interesting about "what does she look like" vs "what does he do"? I'm a man and I remember when my younger sister first told me of her engagement the first question I asked her was "what does he do"? Not if he loved her and treated her well. Very interesting because it lets me know that we all (regardless of gender) participate in certain harmful ways of judging what makes a good companion for a man or a woman in a relationship. And that CR clip helped me realize my own conditioning.
@youngknowledgeseeker
@youngknowledgeseeker 3 жыл бұрын
Both “what does he do” and “does he love you and treat you right” are both acceptable questions.
@Sirenity01
@Sirenity01 2 жыл бұрын
And the part with the father. Nobody thanks dad for keeping the lights on or having hot water
@thejusmar
@thejusmar 2 жыл бұрын
I'd feel awkward asking someone if they think their spouse loves them TBH. I assume since they're in a relationship they already love and treat each other well and would like to know what they are as people
@mophead_xu
@mophead_xu 2 жыл бұрын
@@thejusmar i feel like the dynamics of families (and close friends who are basically families) could be an exception to that. yeah, asking people if they're loved in their relationship is weird and awkward, but when it's someone who have a strong bond with i feel like it's a reasonable question. it signals that you care about their well being, even if for some it may come across kinda nosy, lol.
@Madrigal025
@Madrigal025 2 жыл бұрын
What's also interesting here is that the entire first set up of "what does she look like" for guys is completely overlooked. Because TBH, "what does he do?" is a valid question to be asked for any partner regardless of gender but as pointed out guys first instinct is to ask "what she looks like?" instead of "What does she do?" which implies that men are not concerned about the financial and social capabilities of their partner but more focused on their aesthetics which then leads to the other assumption that men are less concerned with the aspect of their partner being able to help them actualize their own wants and dreams as him with her but more concerned with the prospect that she would look good with him.
@hkr0065
@hkr0065 3 жыл бұрын
As a black dude who struggles with driving anxiety (in a state where a car is basically required), I have found that the world is very unkind toward me, especially the dating world. I've worked and worked to overcome my driving fears. I've heard every platitude in the book. I am likely going to have to move to a city with useful public transport. I'd love to feel confident as a guy, but deep down it feels emasculating not having the ability to drive. It shouldn't feel this way, and I know that loads of people are like me...but it is still isolating from a masculine perspective. (Me venting. Please don't try to give me 'driving tips.' That would just prove my point)
@hkr0065
@hkr0065 2 жыл бұрын
@@elijahclaude3413 Hey, thanks for the reply. Dude, ditto on the ADHD comment. I think I have it as well. I have researched it many times. It's challenging getting a diagnosis, especially with how health care is set up. There are many things in my childhood that point to having ADHD, but when you are raised with a black single mom, the last thing they'd want is to have their child diagnosed with a disability by a white system.
@elijahclaude3413
@elijahclaude3413 2 жыл бұрын
@@hkr0065 Yeah same. I'm still scared (and not sure how) to get diagnosed because of my upbringing. But talking to people who are diagnosed, and researching, has explained a lot about my own experience and behavior
@tamcon72
@tamcon72 2 жыл бұрын
I love driving. Lotsa people hate it. Totally understandable why. Like flying a plane, down a street. It does not in any way determine your worth. Good luck figuring this out!
@smilergal89
@smilergal89 2 жыл бұрын
Wow. Driving for me is a complete mentally draining exercise. Have you ever shared this with a date or prospective partner. Im sure any well rounded person would understand. Not a tip - but would you consider any therapies (CBT for example) to help you overcome this if your lifestyle could benefit from it?
@Robstafarian
@Robstafarian 2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, right wingers have been waging war on public transportation for years (I think I remember that Last Week Tonight included a segment discussing it something like two years ago). Make sure your research includes recent legislation on the subject, as a good city transportation system can only survive while the state legislature is not killing it.
@naomicamp8796
@naomicamp8796 2 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of a post I recently read on tumblr, about men not being treated with tenderness, or non sexual intimacy that women are used to. On that post were women talking about who they did something tender and intimate like washing their significant other hair or pulling a full romantic experiance of food, bath, massage, and their partners didn't know how to handle it. Some became really uncomfortable, shy and a couple cried because they weren't used to that kind of love and affection. Men are more then societies expactations of them. Men are not tools, they are people with feelings, thoughts, ambitions and dreams.
@adult93
@adult93 2 жыл бұрын
Hell, I teared up reading this comment and then immediately became angry about it.
@elbuhdai605
@elbuhdai605 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like most men on some level are like movie villains. We lost the ability to truly connect a long time ago but if a "protagonist" comes along and digs around at our insecurities enough, the tough facade falls away to reveal a sad, hurt person who just wanted to be loved lol.
@1fromoutside
@1fromoutside 2 жыл бұрын
Everything you said applies to women too yet there are so many men who don't think that
@wesleywyndam-pryce5305
@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 Жыл бұрын
my first girlfriend had to point out to me that I only ever said I love you right after sex it made her feel very used I think but I realized and then had to work on the fact that it was the only time I felt comfortable admitting how much I cared about her.
@215_B
@215_B Жыл бұрын
@@adult93real talk. I got extremely sad because I've never experienced this and got angry because I haven't. It's crazy!
@worldofcyn
@worldofcyn 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like a lot of parents don't talk to children about relationships, expectations, and responsibilities in them.
@125loopy
@125loopy 3 жыл бұрын
They really don't
@fideletamo4292
@fideletamo4292 3 жыл бұрын
Cuz they Know nothing about it
@galks787
@galks787 3 жыл бұрын
This
@jonscottiegrippin
@jonscottiegrippin 3 жыл бұрын
I know mine's did not. Probably because their relationships aren't that great either.
@King_Vic92
@King_Vic92 3 жыл бұрын
Talk about them no, but depending on your household you see some of it. My mom and step dad did not talk about the responsibilities and expectations that come in relationships all the time, sometimes they dropped gems. But, I was a child and thought like I child so I didn't listen or care at the time.
@allison576
@allison576 3 жыл бұрын
Not really on the specific topic but I really appreciate your content coming from an older person (context: I'm almost 22) bc I often feel like there's a big gap in youtube commentary where a lot of creators are under 30 (and definitely under 40). I think commentary as a whole and us younger viewers benefit a lot from hearing from more mature people tempered by life experience (something younger creators can't replicate no matter how much reading they do).
@luiysia
@luiysia 2 жыл бұрын
seriously, i get so frustrated with video essays made by people who are barely out of undergrad and don't have any sense of how things have changed over time
@Antdevamp
@Antdevamp 3 жыл бұрын
I once was so happy with a lover, I told her, "maybe I'll grow my hair. Dread, you know. Maybe it would be a cool look I've seen a few times.... and..." Her Response: "UH UH NO HELL NO, I AM THE WOMAN AROUND HERE!" (And a lot more, and she was actually serious.) Hey, she's okay, I'm alright. We both found people that worked for us.
@Zvwry
@Zvwry 2 жыл бұрын
Locs are so attractive on men
@Sabrinaaa36
@Sabrinaaa36 2 жыл бұрын
glad you got out of there and hope she got more educated
@marinakesawa7470
@marinakesawa7470 Жыл бұрын
I hate it when people talk about "you have to dress your man." What? You would totally resent it if your partner tried to tell you what to wear or dictate your style. Don't be a hypocrite, people...
@bmoe4609
@bmoe4609 Жыл бұрын
Pay her no mind. We not all like tht. I love men like i do my women. Bald, long hair, everything in between. Shoot even a wig or head tatt
@Mezeker808
@Mezeker808 3 жыл бұрын
I'm gonna pretend the one dislike was an accident. Honestly, I've been binging your videos, and it's incredible. Keep blessing us with the content.
@FDSignifire
@FDSignifire 3 жыл бұрын
Probably from one of my homeboys he knew I needed a little kick in the nuts to stay geounded and keep my focus good.
@JaydaSimone
@JaydaSimone 3 жыл бұрын
Scroll down a little bit...the person who disliked admitted to doing it just to keep him humble 😂
@TheLeah2344
@TheLeah2344 3 жыл бұрын
I met my boyfriend at my mailbox at our college student apartment. We been together for 3 years now. After having terrible experiences with my ex’s, my current boyfriend is amazing. He has taught me alot and I’m so glad I met him. I noticed that black couples aren’t portrayed in a positive light on screen. They usually portray black couples arguing and fighting. I wish there was more of a positive portrayal overall on screen.
@youngknowledgeseeker
@youngknowledgeseeker 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. But I see that for a lot of races in American media tbf.
@deehines5750
@deehines5750 2 жыл бұрын
@@youngknowledgeseeker What other races are prominently displayed in American media besides white and black? And the ratio of good/happy vs strife/misery?
@Limptastical
@Limptastical 2 жыл бұрын
@@deehines5750 there’s quite a few. I’m black but I have many Asian friends and I think there’s this idea especially with Indians (I use Indians to specify, before anyone says they’re Asians as well) and west Asia where Afghanistan, etc lay, there’s this idea that their marriages are arranged and the man is an abusive tyrant who has x amount of wives. Now this isn’t shown all the time in the media because Asian population is dispersed, but online media and social media is very guilty of this. Yes there are arranged marriages out there that are abusive, and some of the men might be tyrants but overall online there’s this general consensus that some of these men are in it only for mysoginistic reasons. For East Asians I think it’s the idea that the man is some sort of robot (the emasculation of Asian men as a whole but that’s a different conversation.) I had dated a Lebanese man and although he was Christian he told me that it’s a little hard conveying the idea of an arranged marriage to others without getting the sense that it’s some sort of set up. Also unrelated, when they show us black folks as couples and Hispanic couples, we’re ALWAYS seen gang banging. It’s aggravating
@shadowgoon911
@shadowgoon911 2 жыл бұрын
Movies are an exaggerated display of reality. Couples in real life fight here and there but a movie shows highlights of a relationship's ups and downs so it seems as if everything is crazy. Black people are very powerful when it comes to expressing emotions, so the fights in black movies seem more intense than other films. But let's not act like they weren't going through problems in "The Notebook" and "Titanic". Love is not perfect and I wish black people stop acting like you gotta put on this facade to love your spouse. It's not realistic or interesting in cinema for a relationship to be perfect the whole time. It's dry on an emotional level.
@neoloanderson6676
@neoloanderson6676 2 жыл бұрын
@@shadowgoon911 Last yr there was a period of time, about 2-3 months where I switched genre of movies I wanted to watch (sci-fi is my fav) to romance, I just wanted to see love and none of them were black movies that I hadn't seen before. 😕
@MimiMoments
@MimiMoments 2 жыл бұрын
What hit a nerve for me: How I engage with male vulnerability. I remember seeing an ex-boyfriend cry and feeling SO uncomfortable because I wasn’t sure if he wanted me to see him that way & or what I should say. A lot to think about here. Thank you.
@Elusive25
@Elusive25 2 жыл бұрын
Did you care to find out?
@MimiMoments
@MimiMoments 2 жыл бұрын
@@Elusive25 yes of course I cared. But I also know how uncomfortable I was and that’s what Im thinking back on. I helped him the best was I knew how to at the time. This was like 10 years ago. I packed up his entire apartment in a day while he tended to his family member. That’s how I knew to help. Eliminate a stress. But I didn’t know how to help him emotionally. Does that make sense?
@Elusive25
@Elusive25 2 жыл бұрын
@@MimiMoments it sorta does because you are leaving out that private part of the story...must of been some major stuff..you can only be emotionally helpful to someone if you respect them and care enough to say hey I want to be there for you and if they reject that vulnerability then to hell with them (easier said than done)
@Elusive25
@Elusive25 2 жыл бұрын
sometimes just being by their side is enough..being there emotionally can be overrated so to speak
@KevinSmith-xt8xr
@KevinSmith-xt8xr 2 жыл бұрын
we're human, we're just trying to do the best we can with what we have hopefully ya work it out.
@rushellepeterkin3768
@rushellepeterkin3768 2 жыл бұрын
As a black woman who was recently broken up with, this video really helps me see where we both went wrong, where we both don't always exude hegemonic ideals of each other (but feel pressured to due so from trauma), and how we are irritating one another and anxious of each other and ourselves. I miss him...
@aqueteaful
@aqueteaful 3 жыл бұрын
This is so productive towards having honest conversations and vulnerability about black men experience with love. These type of conversations is needed for black unity...truly grateful for this.
@islandofideals6571
@islandofideals6571 3 жыл бұрын
My offering on the altar of the KZfaq Algorithm. So glad Khadija put me on
@brian_Austin27
@brian_Austin27 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah one of our black aunties on YT other than her and Lovelyti 😂❤
@sjbrooksy45
@sjbrooksy45 3 жыл бұрын
I'm a white dude, my wife is black. My parents divorced when I was a baby and I grew up with an alcoholic step dad who eventually killed himself (see you in hell ashoe) so i never grew up knowing what a strong relationship between a man and woman looked like. My wife did and would try to explain it to me, but I had to kind of learn it along the way. My MiL passed away last year and it nearly destroyed my FiL. This is a man who I respect more than probably any other in my life. And I'm not ashamed to admit he intimidated me a bit when we first met. Anyway, nothing more masculine than giving your heart and life to the woman you love.
@sexyassness
@sexyassness 2 жыл бұрын
I totally agree…
@elleofhearts8471
@elleofhearts8471 2 жыл бұрын
^ God, chill out. Its not that deep. The other person just wanted to make explicit that you don't need to identify as a man to give your heart to another or that you need to identify with heteronormativity to engage with masculinity. Missing the point is annoying 😒
@kimberly6243
@kimberly6243 2 жыл бұрын
@LoveyourzAF
@LoveyourzAF Жыл бұрын
This is beautiful and I pray healing, peace and love for all of you.
@arimonroe7060
@arimonroe7060 Жыл бұрын
so happy for you and i hope you and yours find peace and eternal stability and love. im sorry you had to exp the pain of alcholism from a family member, one who is suppose to be there for you. bless you in more ways than one you and yours!
@JuanPablo-dd7hl
@JuanPablo-dd7hl 2 жыл бұрын
I know the target audience is black men, but only as a man (in Latin America) this video was able to make me cry and rethink all my attitudes towards relationships, and turning 18 next month having grown up without a father I feel like I need to hear about this more than ever, thank you so much!
@richardedwards5820
@richardedwards5820 3 жыл бұрын
I am so grateful to be able to be a part of this video Shafeeq I was super nervous.
@FDSignifire
@FDSignifire 3 жыл бұрын
You are very appreciated. I'll send you a copy of the full interviews of the patreon next week
@richardedwards5820
@richardedwards5820 3 жыл бұрын
@@FDSignifire I need to sign up for your patreon
@happyclappy1805
@happyclappy1805 3 жыл бұрын
thanks so much for being willing, vulnerable and open. As a Black woman, it helps me to understand better and also comforts me to know that there are solid Black men who are doing the work, introspecting and striving to be the kings we know they can be. Being a Man is not the same as being a walking credit card, being a provider is not only financial .Its providing presence and a space to be fully vulnerable , a place to grow together and aim to do/be better together. Thanks to FD and all the men who stepped up with the strength to be honest , gentle and vulnerable.
@voicememosforthevoid
@voicememosforthevoid 3 жыл бұрын
this was dope! especially enjoyed you feeding in the perspectives and experiences of other men. pocketing the term "role competency," extra thank you for that one - but so much of how people talk about relationships is super transactional. and like you said, people, women specifically, shouldn't be dissuaded from having standards but that hyperfocus on checking the boxes often doesn't include emotional health or depth. Sylvie's Love is a great example of someone internalizing their role to the point of self-sabotage, even while in a relationship where breaking away from the expected role was supported -- kinda wish the film explored more of that. also y'all pointing out that Black men are only allowed to express lust or anger made me think of your video on Mike Tyson and again how we see multiple people willing to invest in really reductive ways of viewing Black men so long as it's beneficial. lots to think about. thank you for another great one Fiq!
@kimmmimemwest1895
@kimmmimemwest1895 3 жыл бұрын
Because it is a transaction .. how else should we view it ???
@FDSignifire
@FDSignifire 3 жыл бұрын
Always love to see other scholars in the field appreciate my work. Thank you! We need to start building community. Idk how yet but we gonna all create a movement
@kimmmimemwest1895
@kimmmimemwest1895 3 жыл бұрын
Black women are actually too focused on love and emotions to the point we neglect the more important factors such as sustainability and respect and loyalty.
@ryanharris6993
@ryanharris6993 2 жыл бұрын
@@kimmmimemwest1895 so what you’re saying is that black men who are more in tune with their emotions would cloud judgment on things like loyalty in relationships? Genuine Question
@tamaracharese
@tamaracharese 3 жыл бұрын
Patriarchy hurts both men and women. But for Black men and women in the US, even more-so because of systematic racism we don’t have the access to traditional roles. BW/BM aren’t allowed outside the home to be traditionally feminine or masculine in the way WW/WM are. We start at a disadvantage.
@TriniJamMonts
@TriniJamMonts 3 жыл бұрын
It’s like that in the UK too ☹️
@Elusive25
@Elusive25 2 жыл бұрын
the brainwashing is real...but we can identify it and move with that bond.
@Tan87ful
@Tan87ful 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly 💯💯👏🏽👏🏽
@TheGhostPanel
@TheGhostPanel 2 жыл бұрын
"Trash people need love too". As a trash person, thank you for this very important representation.
@Ajaynotaj
@Ajaynotaj Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@ugqueen
@ugqueen 10 ай бұрын
😅
@ForeignManinaForeignLand
@ForeignManinaForeignLand 3 жыл бұрын
Yes lawdddd been waiting on this
@JulianSteve
@JulianSteve 3 жыл бұрын
You did a great job sharing your story. Thank you👏🏾‼️
@ForeignManinaForeignLand
@ForeignManinaForeignLand 3 жыл бұрын
@@JulianSteve thank you so much, Julian 🙏🏾
@PureEpitaph
@PureEpitaph 2 жыл бұрын
Hold up PJ that you? 😅
@ForeignManinaForeignLand
@ForeignManinaForeignLand 2 жыл бұрын
@@PureEpitaph LMAOOOO BEY THIS AIN'T CHRISTIAN AYE
@tybooskie
@tybooskie 3 жыл бұрын
Being turned off by "emotional" men doesn't always equal thinking they are "soft"; sometimes, most of the time, it's thinking they are likely volatile.
@dorothymonroe
@dorothymonroe 2 жыл бұрын
That is very true, when I have used that term in regards to a man, I have meant illogical to point of being volatile.
@malum9478
@malum9478 2 жыл бұрын
then use "volatile", not "emotional". it's what i do when i talk about women(or anyone) who are being irrational--i feel like you should be able to as well.
@FuckinZ3braS0n
@FuckinZ3braS0n 2 жыл бұрын
So emotional equates to volatile got it👍🏾 makes total sense
@antcantcook960
@antcantcook960 Жыл бұрын
Anger is an emotion, does that turn off women in the black community? I don’t think so.
@ashtangaxashtangapranayama8526
@ashtangaxashtangapranayama8526 25 күн бұрын
Yall just wanna stay behind huh 😂
@TruthNloV3
@TruthNloV3 3 жыл бұрын
As a black woman, I really appreciate your content because it serves as a guide post for what you might expect from a thoughtful, knowledgeable black man with a nuanced perspective. There’s such a gap for this type of content that gives an honest analytical perspective from men that doesn’t bake in degrading or dismissing women’s perspectives. And I’m so grateful to have found at least one place I can come for that.
@miss_chelles1338
@miss_chelles1338 2 жыл бұрын
Same here.
@shinyduke1791
@shinyduke1791 3 жыл бұрын
This whole video hit me. I actively know these ideals aren't gonna make me happy but not fulfilling them makes me feel like I won't be worthy of love. It almost feels like being a provider is a bargaining tool, like eventually the facade of being "the man" is gonna crack and you need something to argue that it's still alright to love you.
@125loopy
@125loopy 3 жыл бұрын
My husband and I met online on one of the worst sites on the internet (I'm so ashamed lol). But we spent hours and hours talking on the phone before we were able to travel to each other. We're both in our early 20's. Talking on the phone is underrated.
@SheldonDarianRoach
@SheldonDarianRoach 3 жыл бұрын
ah, just like me and my girl. Met on Pornhub and never looked back. lol jkjk
@pcharl01
@pcharl01 3 жыл бұрын
My sister and her husband met from Craigslist. Is it worse than that?
@EtherealEmpr3ss
@EtherealEmpr3ss 3 жыл бұрын
Me and my husband met on tumblr. Lmao that’s not too horrible. At least I don’t think. My first boyfriend ever, I met on MySpace lmfaoo Idk I guess I had a knack for finding love online smh 💀😭
@jakestroll6518
@jakestroll6518 3 жыл бұрын
The worst site? 4chan? Parler? God please don't let it be 8chan.
@Dexx1s
@Dexx1s 2 жыл бұрын
@@jakestroll6518 Ashley Madison? So many possibilities.
@SunseedStarchild
@SunseedStarchild 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you - there is not enough of this for black folks to consume, specifically men.
@kimmmimemwest1895
@kimmmimemwest1895 3 жыл бұрын
How much KZfaq do you need ?
@vapx0075
@vapx0075 2 жыл бұрын
@@kimmmimemwest1895 The YT algorithm and white ignorance is the problem here. We've got to know enough about America's problems to even think the algorithm might be shuffling quality content away from us for such a [ridiculous] reason as colour. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e9qWeJBz2KiZpmQ.html is exactly what I'm talking about!
@kimmmimemwest1895
@kimmmimemwest1895 2 жыл бұрын
@@vapx0075 you mean on the platform white people own ... Imagine that....yet it's a whole internet u know ...
@kimmmimemwest1895
@kimmmimemwest1895 2 жыл бұрын
@Lauri London Realistic
@Phillyhippie215
@Phillyhippie215 2 жыл бұрын
As a Queer Afro-indigenous man who grew up in the streets of Philly. I can’t express enough how appreciative I am of your commentary. I feel like you are healing our world with this. I know you speak from a cis-Hetero perspective, but I hope this continues to resonates with everyone.
@Annonymight
@Annonymight 3 жыл бұрын
15 minutes in and this video is the emotional turmoil that is loving a man while knowing they're not being their full authentic selves. I foresee feeling a lot of things while watching this one. Is that $3.73 available to viewers too? I'll need comfort food money.
@Annaiuq1
@Annaiuq1 3 жыл бұрын
THIS. COMMENT.
@happylindsay4475
@happylindsay4475 3 жыл бұрын
🎯
@getoffmygrass4857
@getoffmygrass4857 2 жыл бұрын
its messed up growing up the world and ones we loved never allowed us to be our authentic selves. its slowly changing but there is still alot of growth needed.
@emmanuella8269
@emmanuella8269 3 жыл бұрын
that bit about your wife made me smile so hard 💕”butterfly season “ I love that 🦋
@noellecannon1411
@noellecannon1411 2 жыл бұрын
Me too it was sooo sweet and endearing
@eulerianorder6972
@eulerianorder6972 3 жыл бұрын
Everybody repeat after me: "This one's for the algorithmmmmmmm"
@ambriaashley3383
@ambriaashley3383 3 жыл бұрын
It's algorithm o'clock over here!
@Ex3rtDarkness
@Ex3rtDarkness 3 жыл бұрын
Bump
@qure9128
@qure9128 3 жыл бұрын
FOR THE 'RITHM!!!!!
@qure9128
@qure9128 3 жыл бұрын
FOR THE 'RITHM!!!!!
@heatherlee2967
@heatherlee2967 3 жыл бұрын
+
@seroquelz
@seroquelz 3 жыл бұрын
First, so happy to see this channel exists. For years I've been asking where are the channels for men on YT?! As a woman I have plenty of thoughtful commentary from ppl who have a similar life outlook bt not so many for cishet American Black men, and oh is it needed. I would also be interested in the research about how BW have been able to excel financially and in scholarly areas and how being BW instead of BM may have played a role in that. I don't think I've come across anyone talking about that. Some of the rhetoric I hear in BW circles is very "boot straps," "I was able to do xyz, these BM should be able to as well!" Intersectionality is important in these conversations, plus the focus on finances shallows the worth of men in other areas besides provider. It's a huge topic with many avenues to tread. I just hope the Black community continues to talk to each other and work these things out for ourselves. It's so important. Thank you brother 🙏🏿
@FDSignifire
@FDSignifire 3 жыл бұрын
The research generally shows that black men are unfairly targeted by the criminal justice system, and hyper excluded from education resources. Furthermore, there are less viable support systems for men in general. All of this combined with the toxic traits many men are taught and plenty of other systemic barriers and you find a lot of limitations to the opportunities of black men as a whole. That's the short version.
@blasphimus
@blasphimus 2 жыл бұрын
@@FDSignifire The things that black men admire in each other are not the things that make money. My dad was very much a tough macho type (and he was and still is a real one lol). But the world when he was a kid in the 70's and 80's is not the world we deal with today. You can just fight your school bully and not get expelled or a record. At the same time, what's good for capitalism and your masculine circle, is also not great in the world of serious dating. Aggressivemess ok the wrong way can break an early love.
@RoderickDaniels
@RoderickDaniels 2 жыл бұрын
As a black man who's been divorced and now remarried I can say that this is so accurate and a discussion all people should have. But especially black men and women who want to grow and heal from the societal constraints and trauma's we all deal with.
@GreatGospel97
@GreatGospel97 3 жыл бұрын
Someone said they talked about patriarchy to a group of black men and called it “white male patriarchy” and many more understood it and were critical of it. I found that interesting and very helpful. I often wonder why men lead with money and goods first and get frustrated for being used for money and goods. It’s an awful cycle the patriarchy sets up and leads to failure every time. As a woman who literally desires an emotionally intelligent man first and foremost, it’s kind of a turn off/makes me incredibly sad for men when they seem lost when I express I don’t need them for money or goods. I’m sure if someone finds this comment, months later lol, they’ll pipe up and say I’m rare…I’m not rare. Many women feel this way and I’d argue a majority feel this way, however when presented with someone who shoves goods and money at you…sometimes it’s convincing enough to give that a go until you bore of the lack of connection :/ It’s awful for all parties but I feel particularly bad for men who set out to be loved and respected in that manner. Anyway, great video as per usual!
@deanbilly9073
@deanbilly9073 2 жыл бұрын
literally!!! so many women feel this way but men only go by what the media portrays and unfortunately its that women want a man who can provide. Now, don't get me wrong, there are women who want men who buy them stuff and that's cool, to each their own. i also love being treated. the point is, men believe that this is the MAIN thing we want, but its not. when I told my cousin I paid for my date he was horrified and told me i'd get used and that men hate women who treat them monetarily, I realised that there was a huge disconnect for black men. Yall arent used to being taken care of, even once in a while, and that's really sad. Now some of yall have some issues, like the colorism stuff but it doesn't offset the fact that a lot of you think your worth is based solely in what you can bring to the table money-wise
@23imsoawesome
@23imsoawesome 2 жыл бұрын
I've been told by many men that they "don't care" abouy what a woman has. They want a woman who embraces traditional feminine roles and so us "providing" in any aspect isn't seen as valuable as cooking a meal I guess. It's honestly hard for me to meet men halfway simply because I find my self stuck between the desire to treat a man and the fear of being seen as "masculine" or someone to use. Idk
@rania.hamzeh
@rania.hamzeh 2 жыл бұрын
This is because capitalism needs pawns to keep capitalism going. One of the main ways, is by exploiting patriarchy and stretching it to its most toxic limits. Both men and women are taught to value this toxic traits. And because it's mostly men who have been conditioned to believe this - who write male characters under that male gaze, the male audience internalized the messaging over and over again. But when women write men through the female gaze, that's when a male audience finally gets a chance to see different forms of what "being a man" can look like. Disclaimer: I'm not negating that many women also internalize the messaging up there to expect men to never open up and get "turned off" by emotionally vulnerable men. We're all victims of capitalistic patriarchy.
@RoseEyed
@RoseEyed 2 жыл бұрын
I am a woman and I AGREE WITH YOU SO MUCH!!! I have my own money and my own needs met. I want to know your personality, what you like and don't like. I HATE IT when status is the first thing they bring up. And if you point that out to them they'll say you're lying or too independent. No one wins that way.
@true4585
@true4585 2 жыл бұрын
You hit the nail on the head.
@mommysdayoff914
@mommysdayoff914 2 жыл бұрын
I am enjoying watching these videos. I do believe that all women are not confused by men showing emotion and vulnerability but instead trying to figure out what part of you is real. That is where the confusion comes from. Imagine if a man is always saying things or behaving as though they do not care about anything or want anything and have these notions but then when they do things it does not make it clear what matters. It can be very confusing and of course the man is not going to say I am being vulnerable right now so while I am fine with a vulnerable and honest man I am not able to quickly adapt to inconsistency that also comes through
@ronalddowdell1931
@ronalddowdell1931 3 жыл бұрын
Very intelligent conversation about black love. Such a welcome change from the toxic conversations where black men and women are disrespecting each other.
@patricewilcox
@patricewilcox 2 жыл бұрын
I respectfully differ in opinion about Love and Basketball. Q came to Monica expecting to be the priority in her life and she wasn't willing to sacrifice her aspirations for his need for emotional support. She should've more clearly communicated that she couldn't or wasn't willing to do that in the moment and that part was her fault. As I look back on this movie as an adult, I'm glad she chose herself in that moment. Q was used to having his needs met above everyone else's and reacted poorly when he was met with an unexpected response from Monica. His reaction proved that her sacrifice would've gone unappreciated anyway. I kind of dislike the fact that ultimately she was stereotypically portrayed as the woman who was professionally successful, but just needed a man to complete her. Movies do work this trope in both directions, but the way she attempted to get him back was embarrassing.
@kgomotsomokoana5278
@kgomotsomokoana5278 Жыл бұрын
Thank you. The narrative that Monica was in the wrong is misogynoirist.
@Orange-tf3bf
@Orange-tf3bf 3 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad that Khajida Mbowe recommend this channel, you're so insightful and it's great to hear your perspective!
@emmanuelaadebisi5743
@emmanuelaadebisi5743 2 жыл бұрын
@blackJack misogynoir jumped out there didn’t it
@emmanuelaadebisi5743
@emmanuelaadebisi5743 2 жыл бұрын
@blackJack misogynoir jumped out there didn’t it
@Orange-tf3bf
@Orange-tf3bf 2 жыл бұрын
@blackJack *They* aren't actually
@Orange-tf3bf
@Orange-tf3bf 2 жыл бұрын
@blackJack Um good for you...how did you even find this channel, you know it's progressive right?
@CommunitySage
@CommunitySage 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing this necessary point of view. As a black woman, I’ve had to learn to balance my own set of issues and be cognizant to the issues of black men without being a doormat. Over the past couple of years, it’s become clear just how much the patriarchy and white supremacy plays into this all. I’m saddened by how deeply the black community has loathed ourselves and each other as a result of how we’ve been taught to see ourselves. May we all break free.
@empirelyricschannel
@empirelyricschannel 2 жыл бұрын
Amen.
@anne.maxime
@anne.maxime 2 жыл бұрын
When that guy says his ex knew nothing about him and he felt disappointed I just started screaming NO YOU CAN FEEL SAD THAT'S OKAY and teared up this was so good I wish I could like it multiple times, thank you
@satya4234
@satya4234 3 жыл бұрын
This is a greatly insightful video. I loved listening to men's experiences with patriarchy. Something that stayed with me is the pressure men feel of being the provider. On the other side, a lot of women who depend on their partner's economical support, are left with nothing when they split up. In other cases, they end up with half of their things and men feel robbed by them, which feeds the stereotype that women seek out men of status to get access to their wealth without doing anything. It feels like a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. I'm glad that you're bringing attention to these topics because we don't talk enough about how the patriarchy affects men. Loving your channel, I'll continue to watch!
@XeniasWorld
@XeniasWorld 3 жыл бұрын
This was refreshing. I can't argue anything he said because I don't know all men, but I rarely experience wanting to be vulnerable. I once had a man reveal to me that he was assaulted when he was young. I immediately responded that it has happened to a lot of men bc I wanted him to feel safe & comfortable with me re the topic. The convo goes on & I begin to question some of his behaviors towards me & he went off about it being in the past and why am I trying to keep a black man in the past 🙃 and I'd explained that I can't move forward from a situation without understanding. I will continue to be a safe space for men who want to be vulnerable, but I really need more men to work at allowing women to be vulnerable as well.
@anthai77
@anthai77 3 жыл бұрын
I believe your comment " it has happened to a lot of men" may have came from a good place. I understand his reaction to for the following reason. Saying a comment like that could seem unintentionally dissmissive. I hope this reply finds you in a positive space. Thank you for providing an outlet for the men in your in your life. They need that. Stay blessed.
@XeniasWorld
@XeniasWorld 3 жыл бұрын
@@anthai77 he didn't take offense to it. i assume that he got to a point of sharing it meant he felt he could do so without judgement, but I wanted him to feel that it wasn't something he should be ashamed of. I hear you though.
@theorderofthebees7308
@theorderofthebees7308 3 жыл бұрын
Your comment while meant to be supportive he could have took it as you being dismissive - when you bought up other men. I am sure that was not your intentions but the fact that he told you meant that he trusted you.
@XeniasWorld
@XeniasWorld 3 жыл бұрын
@blackJack actually, vulnerable means any person in need of special care, support, or protection because...risk of abuse or neglect.
@BlueYellowGreenVc
@BlueYellowGreenVc 3 жыл бұрын
@blackJack 🤦🏿‍♀️🤦🏿‍♀️🤦🏿‍♀️
@buildingourpwr
@buildingourpwr 3 жыл бұрын
Great video as always! I definitely believe BM should have the space to express all emotions in their relationships, family, friendships. So much violence and trauma could possibly be stopped by simply changing this. I do think In personal/intimate relationships there is a fine line. Regardless of gender or orientation, therapy HAS to become the norm for us all. A lot of us ( me included) finally have the space to express ourselves and then want our partners to become our therapists and bear the weight of all of our traumas and help us unpack it all, and this isn't fair to them. - gabby
@morley364
@morley364 2 жыл бұрын
(Apologies in advance for a long comment) I definitely agree with the therapy angle, and possibly even extending that to using emotional expression as manipulation or control (this is not solely an issue with men, to be clear). For a while I had a very specific (internalized, never externalized, since I was fully aware it was my own issue) negative reaction to my boyfriend expressing negative emotions about things, and only recently I realized it was related to an abusive relationship I had in the past. In that relationship, him showing negative emotions like being upset or sad or angry, regardless of the cause, was his way of pushing me to fix it. And if he still felt bad or stressed, it meant now it was my fault for not fixing it, and I became the problem, rather than the original cause. Additionally, any time I tried to express how something he did hurt or scared me, him expressing that the conversation upset, saddened, or angered him was used to shut down the conversation completely. Once I realized I was projecting my past boyfriend's manipulation onto my current boyfriend, who was just venting or looking for support, I was able to work on it, discuss it with my boyfriend, and begin to move on. Watching this video and thinking about how emotions are expressed in relationships, I feel like there can sometimes be difference (in a lot of relationships, not just romantic ones) in being vulnerable with a movement towards being supported/growing/healing and expressing emotion in a way to control the situation/the other person. That being said, a lot of black men feel like they can't have the former, which was a vital theme in this video that I'm very glad was addressed and examined.
@morley364
@morley364 2 жыл бұрын
@The Golden Sphere What an odd thing to say. Did you mean to reply to a different comment?
@jakefromstatefarm9171
@jakefromstatefarm9171 2 жыл бұрын
I watched it and shared it with my wife and my sisters immediately. there is so much in here that I have tried to explain to them before. it's great to have someone that can break it all down so eloquently.
@tech_muzi4350
@tech_muzi4350 3 жыл бұрын
I'm half way through the video I'm pissed because I have to now watch this again to make sense of what I'm hearing. I am not self aware enough to just take it all in once and move on . Some of the questions brought up I've felt and experienced but never really analyzed them to have my own opinion on. Damn good content, has me thinking different.
@thanditwetwa4167
@thanditwetwa4167 2 жыл бұрын
Please share this with other men. My daughters need to have self aware black men available in the dating pool.
@globisdead
@globisdead 2 жыл бұрын
This comment signfies what I have to go through while watching half of leftist KZfaq commentary bit damn me if it's not worth it.
@BolanleJenny
@BolanleJenny 3 жыл бұрын
This really hit home for me! I have thought this in relationships I have been in the past. The lack of emotional vulnerability in a lot black men has made it difficult for me to retain relationships. It's hard for me to want to be emotionally invested in someone I feel like I don't know. I definitely think that you are right that some women uphold this standard and it adversely affects black men. I have noticed that the same artifice that is detrimental is almost certainly manifests as swagger which is considered attractive. I hope this can inspire more people to be aware of and listen to their emotional and mental well-being and prioritizing them. I think it would do wonders in actually helping black men have healthier relationships and dismantling the patriarchal expectations. I also think if this occured it could help in improving the self image of men that don't see themselves as valuable if they are not rich.
@kimmmimemwest1895
@kimmmimemwest1895 3 жыл бұрын
What is swagger ???
@RDCFemmes
@RDCFemmes 2 жыл бұрын
My memories of my parents being romantic: my dad singing to my dad or the private conversation they had seating extremely close to each other in the formal living room. This was in Kinsasha, DRCongo, Africa. As far as I know, black men are romantic.
@2crisp63
@2crisp63 2 жыл бұрын
2 dads?
@Sabrinaaa36
@Sabrinaaa36 2 жыл бұрын
a few days after my bf met me, he wrote me a poem and read it to me under a tree. that’s when i knew he was the one :,) not only are black men romantic but it’s incredibly attractive
@brucepower3429
@brucepower3429 Жыл бұрын
@@2crisp63 😂
@SheldonDarianRoach
@SheldonDarianRoach 3 жыл бұрын
Im quoting 1:00:19 forever. Im literally working my ass off, afraid to even date, cause i know im not able to pay all bills and such right now, so i feel like my partner would probably be unhappy or just leave. When expressing that concern its ALWAYS "Seek help" or "that's your own insecurities". Well no shit. Thanks for reminding me.
@benphish
@benphish 2 жыл бұрын
The internet needs more content about healthy masculinity like this. Confused men are funnelled into some very toxic content nowadays, you're doing great work man.
@viceversa5225
@viceversa5225 3 жыл бұрын
It's wild how insightful this on some doubts of mine from other, more lived black men. Didn't realize how much I needed it till I heard it, thanks for the video.
@opalvibration
@opalvibration 3 жыл бұрын
Randomly stumbled upon your page. I love your perspective!!!
@JulianSteve
@JulianSteve 3 жыл бұрын
Welcome to the crew Stephanie🙌🏾‼️
@theblankpanther
@theblankpanther 3 жыл бұрын
Same
@thanditwetwa4167
@thanditwetwa4167 2 жыл бұрын
Me too, how refreshing to listen to a channel where we are not ripping one another to shreds.🙏🏾
@Tan87ful
@Tan87ful 2 жыл бұрын
💯💯💯👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
@lordlynkz
@lordlynkz 3 жыл бұрын
14:19 I've experienced this even with friends, it's all good till you open up... and you feel your value leave the room. You are the rock, but when that rock bleeds they don't know what to think of you.
@ShermanWilliamsVideo
@ShermanWilliamsVideo 3 жыл бұрын
It's never an upside to "opening up and being vulnerable". It works in movies and songs but not in the street.
@lordlynkz
@lordlynkz 3 жыл бұрын
@@ShermanWilliamsVideo there is. You just... have to be wayy more careful with "who"
@MJ-ps3tk
@MJ-ps3tk 2 жыл бұрын
This channel is gold. Definitely refreshing to see content like this as a young black male in his 20s, trying to figure out dating/love in this current modern hookup/cheating culture
@clementmckenzie7041
@clementmckenzie7041 3 жыл бұрын
As a bisexual man who has had long term manganous relationships with both genders. I over the years have noticed a few things. The hardest thing about dating black men is fatherlessness. I have never dated a black man who grew up with a father in there home. So they never inherited a realistic philosophy of masculinity so they are making it up as they go, they only have the basics to work with, provider and protector. Black women mostly had mothers at home , and mothers who were solely responsible for everything. So their reaction to a man not having competency in a specific role is to take over that role without asking permission. It never occured to them that the man an develop that competency, or even that he is just venting as part of his process. Black women are comfortable with power because unlike white, Asian or Latin women they are raised to expect having to wield . Which is hard Knox for men who are already making up manhood as they go.
@chrislyn1868
@chrislyn1868 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent analysis.
@Ummkelechi
@Ummkelechi 2 жыл бұрын
That’s deep! Wow
@neoloanderson6676
@neoloanderson6676 2 жыл бұрын
As a black women, it is frustrating having to tell a man what to do every step of the way like a child, especially when you are expected to love and adore him and want to feel emotionally and spritually protected and safe with him all at the same time, while trying to be pretty, soft, in shape, look after children and work! We don't mind not having power 24/7 but sometimes theres no alternative. Thats why a lot of us decide to stay single and have a fwb literally like what men do 😪. We can get everything else from friends and family.
@abundance6484
@abundance6484 2 жыл бұрын
@@neoloanderson6676 that's why I don't. Bm need to learn this lesson and start correcting themselves before EVER trying to lead and direct women. Master manhood bm then compete in the realm of men.
@kimberleywilliams7802
@kimberleywilliams7802 2 жыл бұрын
@@neoloanderson6676 took the words right out of my brain, I hope people (for example, this guy) don't feel like it's the BW's fault. Alot of them had to grow up without a father too and had to watch their mom's do it all with lottle to no help. We have to figure our ish out too before we get into a relationship, BM need to learn to do the same. You can't change if you don't want to.
@girlnamed_ej2492
@girlnamed_ej2492 2 жыл бұрын
I am young woman. I hear you and am so grateful that you articulated what a lot (if not all) black men go through. Thank you for opening my eyes to this!
@rafthegreat9395
@rafthegreat9395 Жыл бұрын
As a young black man, finally 21, I felt seen and heard through out the whole video. Thank you for making this. The whole video hit it right on the nose.
@MsRainisim
@MsRainisim 2 жыл бұрын
It’s so important for us to remember that Black men are also loving and emotionally strong and capable human beings and not just objects for sexual gratification
@shantaiii
@shantaiii 2 жыл бұрын
It’s so incredibly refreshing hearing watching a video about black men in love outside of the red pill community. Clear, honest, vulnerable and insightful.
@wysarde
@wysarde 3 жыл бұрын
This video - and all of your other videos on the male experience - is really interesting to watch as a white man who's neither cis nor straight. My experiences of maleness have a lot of overlap with yours, but they're definitely not the same. I really appreciate you bringing light to perspectives on what it means to be a man that often go unaddressed and unnoticed. These things need to be talked about more, and you're doing great work!
@wysarde
@wysarde 3 жыл бұрын
@The Golden Sphere what the hell are you talking about brother
@neoloanderson6676
@neoloanderson6676 2 жыл бұрын
So your a trans gay person. Also I just wanted to ask if you are trans and gay does that mean you were a woman who is now a man that is attracted to men?
@wysarde
@wysarde 2 жыл бұрын
@@neoloanderson6676 not an appropriate question to ask a stranger, and no.
@neoloanderson6676
@neoloanderson6676 2 жыл бұрын
@@wysarde It's not appropriate to ask someone who they're attracted too?? Especially since you already said you were gay 🙄, I was just getting clarification! Anyway thanks for your response. ✌
@wysarde
@wysarde 2 жыл бұрын
@@neoloanderson6676 it's not appropriate to ask strangers what they were "born as". I am also not gay, I'm just not straight.
@lord-of-the-unfinished-project
@lord-of-the-unfinished-project 2 жыл бұрын
As a white dude I feel this. I know it is not geared towards me but it is interesting to see where we all overlap.
@Amaniachwen
@Amaniachwen 2 жыл бұрын
Watching your videos makes me feel like I'm in a college classroom -- your work is compelling, thoughtful, deeply compassionate, and witty. Thank you for taking the time and care to add quality conversation and content to today's discourse.
@993LD
@993LD 2 жыл бұрын
I have been binging all of your videos, and as a woman who consumes loads of perspectives from black women on youtube, this was a delightful perspective, that actually came from a place of love and not fear. Thank you for the work you put into these videos, it is not unnoticed..
@sauli.derrity3184
@sauli.derrity3184 3 жыл бұрын
It’s great to see all the other voices you included in this video and how introspective and insightful many of their takes are. It gives me hope.
@Sabrinaaa36
@Sabrinaaa36 2 жыл бұрын
i’m only halfway in this video but seriously thank you.. i’ve been trying to understand my bf and why he has trouble expressing emotions. i used to downplay his worries as just toxic masculinity that he needs to get over. there is even more of a gap, not only understand the male perspective but the black perspective as a white woman. we’ve had conversations slowly chipping away to the core of this video, and you perfectly dissected everything i think he was really trying to say. really thank you so much
@tiravaughn9386
@tiravaughn9386 3 жыл бұрын
Your channel, thankfully appeared on my timeline yesterday. I watched several videos. They are insightful, thought provoking and honest. Thank you for the work you put into your essays. You're out here helping folks🤗
@YuniX2
@YuniX2 3 жыл бұрын
This is so insightful, and I'm very grateful for your honesty and willingness to share your thoughts with a wide audience. It has helped me to consider the posturing that some men do with more compassion.
@RhythmLP
@RhythmLP 3 жыл бұрын
You guys have put words to SOOOO many things that I have felt and am currently feeling about relationships throughout the course of my life. You are doing wonderful work man, thank you so much.
@tinytimm5905
@tinytimm5905 2 жыл бұрын
honestly thank you. i’ve been on a binge watching tour videos. i now see how i’ve been hard on black men w/o empathy. so thank you 🙏🏽
@TheNicMMc
@TheNicMMc 3 жыл бұрын
This brings into the concept of The hierarchy of needs' third tier which is belongingness and love because a lot of black men from what I can see have this insecurity of wanting intimacy and closeness among their community. However, this one need seems to always get skip in favor of Esteem needs or ignore to focus on lower needs because they are easy to comprehend and communicate among peers.
@madmadame1508
@madmadame1508 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, love your content and really appreciate the well-thought out and approachable takes you have. Even appreciate you lifting up the voices of other Black women creators. But I am halfway through this video, even listened to the edited take, and something just isn't sitting well with my spirit. People can feel how they want to feel but not all feelings are right or based in any kind of reality. And yes I will disagree with it if it's wrong. The pretty vs provider conversation is a direct reflection of the patriarchy, which I'm glad we can agree on. The difference is statistically, women don't take out their lack pretty privilege on men. But men will take out their lack of status on women wild abandon. Chris Rock can say whatever he wants, but it is factually and historically inaccurate that women are unconditionally loved. We are deemed "valuable," which is wildly different from being loved, if we are submissive, slim, and fertile. Society built itself around controlling women and making them feel inherently lesser to men and even other women if they don't fit the mold. So while I appreciate the edited take/clarification, the clip still frames "poor" Black men's difficulty with finding love as women's fault. When Fifty-sixty years ago women couldn't even have their own bank accounts. So their husband's financial prospects were far more important than their appearance. Considering the very real and ongoing gender pay gap, their financial prospects of men today are still more important than appearance. And I think that's why this particular take is rubbing me the wrong way. Something I think modern men, and yes modern Black men, don't understand is that women don't need a provider we need partners. And too many men today can't or won't be either. But because they've been socialized to see their strength as a byproduct of a woman's weakness, they feel denied social capital if women expect more than they're able to provide. Completely forgetting that your intimate partner has a massive impact on your life. So don't get me wrong, Black men should have the space to express their longings, frustrations , and vulnerabilities about dating (and everything else). But I would appreciate if for once, it was not framed as something women deny or keep from them or that it's our fault. I.e Because we're too picky, uppity whatever. Apologies for the wall of text, but needed to get this off my chest. If I'm not understanding you or something got lost in translation, happy to discuss.
@sarebear7777
@sarebear7777 2 жыл бұрын
I agree. What Chris Rock said is very disingenuous. While many women like when men have a good income it's not the end all be all for women. Many married women today are breadwinners so this notion that women only care or predominantly care about money is false.
@Verdelish
@Verdelish 2 жыл бұрын
As a woman who similarly lacks "pretty privilege" I think you really opened my eyes to the parallel with men and economic mobility. Thank you!
@Kmama801
@Kmama801 3 жыл бұрын
I am soooo happy you do these videos! Our people need to learn and become better and you are driving this in a positive way that we never get to see!! Please continue 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
@phil4real996
@phil4real996 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for allowing your channel to be a safe space for people from all walks of life. I truly appreciate how you articulate your perspective with each of these discussions. Please continue to these excellent videos
@quincyhill1562
@quincyhill1562 3 жыл бұрын
First channel I've turned on notifications for in a long time. Watched a majority of your content in the past 2 days and I'm hooked. You are one of the best video essayist on youtube and now one of my favorite black creators. Keep up the excellent content.
@afl1183
@afl1183 2 жыл бұрын
I never comment on KZfaq videos, but I have to make an exception here. Your analysis may be geared toward the black, straight, male, experience, but I have to say as a straight-passing queer, white man, many of your points resonated with me, and I had to stop the video a few times and digest what you had said because I really felt it. Thank you, man. I've never heard anyone put these concepts out there like this much less contextualize them in this way. I'm new to your channel but I'm already a huge fan.
@nick_stefanie
@nick_stefanie Жыл бұрын
Im a white brazilian woman dating a 2 years younger black dominican man, it's been nearly 3 months that we've been living together for the first time. Since we met long distance and talked for 10 months prior to this experience, I'm discovering now many things about him, specially the difficulty of showing vulnerability. I struggle a lot with trying to show him that for me love is sharing every responsability, insecurity, learning, happiness, but he is very closed to himself and will withhold every emotion possible. I saw him cry 3 times during this relationship: when he asked me to come back (we fought and took a time of 2 weeks in the beginning of november/2022), a month ago when he realized he would have to go back to his country to work and make more money (living in Brazil is STRUGGLE struggle love 😂) and not too long ago when I was crying worried about his problems and for not being able to help (him not opening up). This difficulty for being vulnerable speaks volumes to me in different ways, considering my intersectional characteristics like gender and race, but the thing that you said in 51:44 actually caught me off guard. When I ask why he loves me he says it's because he knows I'm good for him. I never fully understood but now reflecting on the role situation and the whole "kinda man I want to be", it makes a lot of sense. Now my motivation to show him I want to share everything with him is even stronger 😂 as a woman who had to grow up too fast because of problems in her parents' marriage, I can tell you: NO ONE survives having all the responsability of providing and sustaining alone, and no one should
@McMoldys
@McMoldys 2 жыл бұрын
This video hit DEEP! I’ve been really trying to understand how desirability politics affects my sense of self-worth and this was really enlightening. Especially after hearing how even if you do things “right” it still doesn’t stop the fear from being realized. Much to think about
@stiken4421
@stiken4421 2 жыл бұрын
As a slavic dude from Middle-Eastern Europe I wholeheartedly thank You for this vid! I do relate to many of these themes which are also strongly present within my culture. I'm so glad I found this channel! Cheers!
@antonidamk
@antonidamk 2 жыл бұрын
This is one of the best-articulated essays on the subject I have come across. Thank you so much!! Brb sending to everyone I know. 😊
@AliveBoldTV
@AliveBoldTV 3 жыл бұрын
Those final thoughts Lord 🥶 🥶🥶🔥🔥🔥 I literally feel so overwhelmed with joy to see this conversation and I pray more folks are exposed to your content because your are correct that the discourse online is troubling & nasty. It can get better though with a little compassion & understanding of self within the system- for all of us.
@shulamay
@shulamay 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for having this conversation. I feel like the world is missing out on so much because men are socialized to pretend they don't have emotions.
@fragilehandlewithcare3967
@fragilehandlewithcare3967 3 жыл бұрын
It seems to me that a lot of division between BW and BM is driven/fueled by competition, revenge and a lack of self-awareness...at least that's what I have noticed in the content I have consumed from time to time. Add to that the need to produce content to make an "easy" buck then you've got motivation to keep it going. Lack of care for and displays of kindness towards each other and an unwillingness or inability to investigate further inhibits maturity and reduces the chance to heal and move forward. Not sure if this makes sense coz i suck at putting thoughts into coherent sentences.
@SoupCaned
@SoupCaned 3 жыл бұрын
Very observant and Well Said 🗣🗣
@TheLeah2344
@TheLeah2344 3 жыл бұрын
Not true for everybody. I went through a period where I hated all men because my father was not in my life leaving my mom to be a single mother, I watched my mom get abused by her ex, I was raped by my ex, and my friends ( both guy and girl friends ) turned their backs on me when I needed them. I had to go to therapy to heal from this. I had a lot of abandonment issues. I would have given up on men if I didn’t meet my current boyfriend who is the only man to treat me right.
@fragilehandlewithcare3967
@fragilehandlewithcare3967 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheLeah2344 sorry to hear that happened before but I am glad you are doing better. Yeah i did not consider the deeply hurt and traumatized ppl and I apologize and appreciate you for bringing that up. My whole focus was on the content creators on both sides who do not like to dig deeper into issues that affect the other group and how they may have injured the other. Like for example your history. But on the other hand for somebody else somewhere else a BW may have hurt a BM in his childhood/youth or even adulthood and this may have scarred him. For example my dad once physically abused mom and I heard it all. I for sure hated him for many years after and questioned why my mom kept him around after. I still don't know as she has never brought it up and just chose to seemingly forgive. This has lead me to forgive as this was mostly her trauma. And not to excuse his behaviour towards my mom and forget about responsibility for how he handles himself but the past year or so i have learned that when his parents died before he was even 10 he was raised by an abusive aunt. On this channel i get to hear things like this because he is more nuanced and does research on things that pertain to why there is a divide or lifts the curtain on things i did not know about black men without excusing some harmful actions. At the same time he has no hate towards black women and supports them. Others like to generalise and put people in one box so that it fits the narrative of their content or whatever and claim that their group is better than the other when no one really is it's just that there are worse people than others. If there other more nuanced content creators who deal with issues in the black community i would appreciate any recommendations.
@kingsnake8178
@kingsnake8178 2 жыл бұрын
@@Orianasama I somehow stumbled upon both those channels yesterday and these were my exact feelings on them. It's like they can't come to terms with the fact that because they refuse to see or even acknowledge the other side, they're left with an incomplete picture that just confuses people and leads them astray
@laurennicole4565
@laurennicole4565 2 жыл бұрын
So true everything you said made sense. I’ve thought this for a while it’s just been hard to put into words. We’ve experienced historical trauma that has led to the division we have today as a people on top of constant media propaganda and manipulation which has manifested itself into self-hatred on both sides. And unfortunately our division makes more money than black unity so content creators like mahogany pink, Kevin Samuels, Cynthia g, etc. will keep the division going and never come to a middle ground.
@omitn2011
@omitn2011 3 жыл бұрын
This might be the best breakdown I have EVER watched…. This is incredible. Thank you for this. Seriously…. I needed this
@Alia_1111
@Alia_1111 2 жыл бұрын
As a black woman, I appreciate this vid so much! Very informative and insightful. We need to have more conversations like this. Thank you sir 🙌🏾👏🏾
@patrickbayly
@patrickbayly Жыл бұрын
Im so glad i found your channel. I really appreciate honest conversations about love. Its great to hear. I totally get what Jon says about not having had any real conversations about love. What you’re doing is great for people. I also feel like you’re a great role model for your children, they’ll grow up with someone who’s willing to talk with them about issues many of us didn’t have the opportunity to talk to our parents about. Thanks for what you do. Been listening to your videos while working the last couple days.
@akatobi2002
@akatobi2002 3 жыл бұрын
Videos like this are needed. I know bc when I saw the title and immediately got defensive based on all the other hetero black male content on the internet.
@akatobi2002
@akatobi2002 3 жыл бұрын
And yes, I spoke to my now fiance everyday for the last 2 years
@zhonguocha
@zhonguocha 2 жыл бұрын
“Trash people need love too” he’s finally catering to my demographic!
@timothybassett2791
@timothybassett2791 2 жыл бұрын
Watching this was suuuuuch a breath of fresh air. My father is caucasian and my mother is African American so as a Black Man this is all too familiar to me and I didn't realize how much of a break down that this constant state of only being valued for what I provide and even for having lighter skin can really do to a man's soul. This was beautifully written, edited, and dived into. Idk about the rest of yall but... Subscriber for life.💯👑
@chocolateprincess8543
@chocolateprincess8543 2 жыл бұрын
You’re not black, you’re mixed. Those 2 are not the same.
@timothybassett2791
@timothybassett2791 2 жыл бұрын
@@chocolateprincess8543 Fredrick Douglass was mixed race, Barack Obama was mixed race, Harriet Jacobs in her book "Incidents In The Life Of A Slave Girl" was mixed race, Ona Judge a runaway enslaved woman from George Washington's plantation from the book "Never Caught" was mixed race... Mixed Race men fought in the Civil War against slavery in The Colored Troops Regiment which is what they were called at the time, Mixed Race people helped their families escape slavery and narratives frequently describe them as helping to take things from the enslavers house to bring to the cabins to help feed their Black Families and Teach them all what they learned from the Big House in closing information that was vital for runaways to escape unnoticed... what you just did in commenting me is called colorism and although being light skinned does come with privilege I am still the second most at risk person to be shot and killed by police in the US and yet I would still lay down my life for my Black Brothers and Black Sisters and to further the cause. Do not tell me that I am not Black. That's that european colorism crap that only pushes us apart.
@timothybassett2791
@timothybassett2791 2 жыл бұрын
@Tony Stakk Again... what you just did is called colorism... You are literally using a european construct to justify your personal desire to exclude Mixed Race African Americans from the African American Community's struggle. Colin Kaepernick just came out with a new Netflix Film Series called "Colin in Black and White." They want us to hate eachother... it's easier to keep us in chains if we despise one another. Don't let them trick you into thinking how they think.
@rainbow_sparkledelights5984
@rainbow_sparkledelights5984 2 жыл бұрын
This is such a great video. I love that you invited other men to speak on this topic. Hearing the different perspectives was very insightful.
@vintageincolor
@vintageincolor 3 жыл бұрын
I am so grateful to you for the hard work and thought you put into these videos and providing a fresh take in Black KZfaq that comes from a mindful place (god that’s refreshing af
@sweetb2750
@sweetb2750 Жыл бұрын
Having 4 brothers and them all having different personalities, I totally see the same core issues you point out I believe they think about. It brought to mind how a few months ago my oldest brother reaction to me randomly calling him and saying “I love you” and how his voice and his attitude changed was something I never seen from him. It was random for me too as our family period we were taught to never show emotions (I was 32 and in therapy where I actually cried and that was me 1.5 years into therapy) but how it seemed to make him happy and it was no strings attached showed how possibly starved black men could be to just getting it, even though I am weary on who I give that too. Being married to an Asian guy in the past I saw the weight of what it to be a man across the board for POC men as well and what happens when they can’t follow that criteria but I also see how my help made him more upset and possibly unsafe or threaten by it and more verbally and psychologically abusive towards me because I was understanding. So this made so much sense in my experiences with black and POC men
@bluecheckmiya
@bluecheckmiya 2 жыл бұрын
Watched this start to finish no breaks. One of the best pieces of content I have ever consumed. This is more of the content we need!
@banefulbty
@banefulbty 2 жыл бұрын
Women also have to unpack our internalized patriarchy. In my relationship, watching my partner cry was hard to witness. That initial reaction of thinking less of him at that moment but over time, realizing that it wasn't a weakness. Starting to view him as a whole person vs. a man playing a role
@chocolateprincess8543
@chocolateprincess8543 Жыл бұрын
Even when we do unpack our internalize patriarchy, that doesn’t make it ok for a straight man to be feminine.
@banefulbty
@banefulbty Жыл бұрын
@@chocolateprincess8543 Why? whos making up these rules?
@chocolateprincess8543
@chocolateprincess8543 Жыл бұрын
@@banefulbty It’s nature.🤦🏿‍♀️
@banefulbty
@banefulbty Жыл бұрын
@@chocolateprincess8543 nah its sociology. What we code as masculine maybe fem in another culture. The color blue wasn't event associated with boys untl the 1980s. Its all made up.
@chocolateprincess8543
@chocolateprincess8543 Жыл бұрын
@@banefulbty It’s a lot of things that are natural to men and natural to women. Hence reproducing. When a woman is pregnant, especially right after giving Birth, she’s not in her strongest element when it comes to providing…another reason why men are the providers. It’s a lot more why men have certain roles and why women have certain roles. It’s brings balance to each other.
@kianaayala3022
@kianaayala3022 3 жыл бұрын
As I get older, my thoughts on Monica and Quincy's relationship has changed. I would love to see a video on your break down of the movie.
@gelinrefira
@gelinrefira 2 жыл бұрын
As an Asian man, Richard's comment about the fear of showing vulnerability and then your partner will leave really stuck a chord with me. I have the same irrational fear too. What if I break and no one is there for me. It's fucked up.
@MrKingzSon
@MrKingzSon 2 жыл бұрын
This is probably the first hour long video Ive ever watched 3xs back to back on any platform. I felt this so deeply and can't wait to process this with a friend of mine. Algorithm got it right today! Thank you!
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