I love "Technical Ecstacy" and "Never Say Die". Of course the earlier albums were heavier and better but these two later 70's albums were both very good to me too.

Bill Ward's performance on It's Alright is awesome.

Both Technical and Never Say are fine albums, so, I don't get why everyone is so down on them. It's great hard rock, powerful stuff.

I absolutely love technical ecstasy!!! And never say die ...

I like them both. All moving parts has one of the best riffs in the mid section Tony ever played down in my opinion.! And Jhonny Blade is just KILLER.!! Some filler on both. But the good tunes covers that up. I enjoy both. SABBATH fan 4ever..

I beg to differ - 'You Won't Change Me' was an astonishing song!

Love Sabotage and Technical E. since my early years. The soundtrack of my youth....

So sad they hate Never Say Die. I love that album. Ironically empowering considering they were falling apart. Air Dance is my favorite song.

Technical Ecstasy and Never Say Die are absolute masterpieces! I don’t think there would so much debate about them if they were from another band not Sabbath. They are so creative and yes sound different and very diverse. But they are genius. Every single song has something special. Love them as much as any other early Sabbath albums. I don’t even care whether the band members like them or not. Too much personal emotions going on that we, the luck listeners, don’t need to know about. Let the music speak for itself and to me those two albums are brilliant.

Never Say Die was a brilliant album with almost a Jazz - Metal style which I found original and stimulating. The band themselves have a downer on it through association because it was created at the time the band were splitting up.

What I never understood was why Sabotage did not sell as well as the previous five did, just as strong as those were and the same basic style/sound. My only guess would be that the landscape of the scene was changing and Sabbath simply weren't in vogue at the time.

Personally i thought Never Say Die was an magnificent album

Enjoy listening to Technical ecstasy and really enjoy Never say die. Never say die the better of the two with more solid tracks. Never understand why there is so much hate for them both.

It's one of those albums that require more than a couple of listens to appreciate. It's creative.

The band splitting up ended up being a huge win for everybody. Ozzy went on to meet Randy and give us magic. Sabbath found Ronnie, got re-invigorated and released two fantastic albums and we as an audience got those instead of more tired, drug addled burnout records from a band that was basically over.

Great album never say die

i was there in 78 at the age of 15.Saw them with VH.

Technical Ecstasy documentary, constantly plays Never Say Die

love that album, also love the album Never Say Die

I saw the Technical Ecstasy tour with Montrose with Sammy Hagar opening. Amazing. My 1st concert. Long Live Sabbath!

It was a spectacular album

Who cares what malcolm dome says when I hear gypsy and u wont change me I'm blown away

I understand some fans being put off by TE's sound, but I think Tony's playing is fantasic on this album, probably his best leead playing up to this point.

My favorite album from Sabbath is All of them number one's

I don't know how anyone can say 'Never Say Die' is a forgettable album if they've ever listened to it even once. The title track is great. Johnny Blade, Junior's Eyes? There's some heavy stuff in there. As with every album, I like some songs more than others. But overall, I like it. 'Do you know that Johnny's a Spider? And his web is the city at night' - love the riff in that part of Johnny Blade.

Juniors eyes is one of Sabbaths best songs

I was obsessed with Sabotage. SBS and Master too, but Sabotage was my album. Then when Technical Ecstasy came out, other than Dirty Women, which is a great track, especially live, I just couldn’t stand it. They lost the script after Sabotage. Never Say Die was part two. There are some decent songs, but overall you could tell Sabbath were struggling mightily. Then the tour. OMG. I saw Van Halen finish that line up of Sabbath. Wow. It was a thrashing.

I love this album.

i thought this documentary is about Technical Ecstasy and not Never Say Die. Technical Ecstasy in my opinion is one of the greatest Sabbaths albums. Yes it is different but it shows progression of the band, great musicianship, songwriting and amazing production. It is timeless. It sounds as good now as it ever did.

Gypsy is a great track she's gone is a great ballad

really well done thanks again

The only band that I could listen to all day every day is the original albums with Ozzy, not taking anything from sabbath with Dio, they are great also, but in 64yrs old, so for me it's Black Sabbath with Ozzy, they flipped my whole life upside down, I was listening to am radio pop music till my brother put it on the turntable and BANG!.

TECHNICAL ECSTASY and NEVER SAY DIE....are both masterpieces, considering all the pressures and drugs they were doing.... unique, unusual songs, YOU WONT CHANGE ME - ITS ALRIGHT - JUNIOR'S EYES - AIR DANCE - HARD ROAD - OVER TO YOU.... I listen to these 2, way, way more than.... 'the best rainbow album rainbow never made' - (HEAVEN AND HELL) ....and MOB RULES....

I remember an interview with Tony in the 80z and he said about Technical Ecstasy that it was rubbish " Total Junk" is what he said...I personally dug it, granted I found it in the "Shunned Bin" for a dollar. On 8track. In 83'😂 Even Never Say Die wasn't completely awful. To me anyway. Love Sabbath

"We were high, high, high." THE END. That's the movie, folks! Thanks for tuning in.

Ozzy was dead wrong! Far from disgusting, this album is a hidden gem!

Well...I dont gaf...I love Technical,and Never Say Die...mmmk.🤘🏻

When you hear this you can only say.....Thank You Peter Grant. Zep was very lucky.

Rock and roll doctor, dirty women, johnny blade, juniors eyes sre great songs

How can ozzy not like never say die, its amazing.

Its a great album, they didnt mention ozzy went awal and they missed a big festival gig in mexico..

I saw the technical ecstasy tour with Bob Seger and the Silver Bullet Band opening

Shows how much rock journalists know about music.

Musically , I think those albums are great ( although the last couple of tracks of Never Say Die very much suggest the end of an era ) . If Rock 'n' Roll Doctor ( or even Back Street Kids ) had been a hit single in the states then none of this would be an issue . They all loved Technical Ecstasy when it was released ... I first saw them live in '78 at Newcastle City Hall with Van Halen opening up . Both bands were absolutely tremendous ( one of the best gigs I've ever attended ) ... I find it a bit tedious listening to rich middle aged icons complaining about how awful it was making albums in Miami amongst all of those recreational distractions ( which they obviously enjoyed , even back in their earlier "classic" era ) . Hey Ho , It's a shit business ! ... By the end of 1980 Ozzy's Blizzard of Ozz had been really well received as had Sabbath's Heaven and Hell with Dio ( both outfits again delivering great live shows in Newcastle UK ) .

I think it's good that they went for a rock and roll record with mixed results instead of doing "Sabotage part 2" or "Master of Reality part 2." I understand the fans and bands criticism of it. for me it was the next logical step even if it was a misstep here and there. (and their careers--Tony, Ozzy, Geezer, Bill went strong-- together or apart-- for near another 50 years so it wasn't exactly a death sentence!)

If the first six albums are metal masterpieces, Technical and Never Say Die are masterpieces of Hard Rock

I love Never say Die album ..

I like this album T.E.

I think “Sabotage” was an incredible album. “Technical Ecstasy” was not a great follow up album, but I think “Never Say Die” had two incredible songs: “Hard Road” and “Over To You”

rock and roll doctor is a great song

4:20 great footage 😍

At the end of the day i just never put this record on. That is the ultimate test of weather an album is good or not.

I think that maybe the hard times they were going through skewed their perspective on NSD and TE. By far, most of us Sabbath fans love those albums.

I don't see anything bad about Technical Ecstasy. I like Back Street Kids & Dirty Women - those are really outstanding songs, with a rich, engaging character. Although, I have not been a life-long fan of Black Sabbath, and I am probably speaking from a distant point of view; but overall, I like the album, Sabotage the best. Maybe I am coming from the point of view of someone who enjoys progressive rock. I like it when songs have a unique sound, different from the typical rock & roll, and songs that keep a strong groove. (Since everybody has different tastes, I tried to describe why I like these songs.)

The move from heavy blues rock to stoner rock was genius. The move to radio rock..not so much.

I like this record..... I can't figure out why it's so looked down on......

I just listened to Technical Ecstasy from beginning to end on KZfaq the other day. I can give a fair, honest, truthful, & well informed opinion on it based on actually having listened to it myself instead of relying on second hand opinions of it by other people. TE isn't bad, it isn't as terrible as a lot of people think. Back Street Kids, It's Alright, Rock N Roll Doctor, & Dirty Women are all standout tracks, but as a whole, the album still doesn't quite measure up to their past albums. It's too inconsistent and uneven for my tastes. It's slightly above average but still better than Never Say Die. I've also heard the latter album in its entirety and it really was the beginning of the end for the Mark 1 70s lineup.

Yes TE and NSD are a notch below the first six. But being a notch below 6 A/A+'s doesn't mean they're bad. They're solid B's imo.

Time has been kind to Technical Ecstacy and Never Say Die. There are some fine moments on both those albums. Yes, they are not as good as the early stuff. Under the conditions of management problems and drugs they struggled to keep it going. Ozzy needed to break away and what Sabbath needed a new singer. Both went to new heights after the breakup.

Dirty Women is a great closing track!!

I liked Bill Ward’s voice on the song he sang.

The best thing about Technical Ecstasy and Never Say Die is that they lead to Heaven and Hell and Mob Rules being made!

This vid is much more about NSD than TE.

As a Sabbath follower right from the beginning of course Technical Ecstasy and Never Say Die didnt quite satisy me needs. But I do think that "Hard Road" and in particular "Swingning The Chain" (with Bill Ward vocals!) from their last album (I dont consider "13" to be Black Sabbath as Bill Ward was excluded) are underrated.

The real tragedy is how they got screwed by the manager THEY HAD TO GIVE UP RIGHTS TO EVERY ALBUM BEFORE SABATOGE!

Great album...i dont miss Ozzy at all.

Only listen to the original mix/master versions of their albums, especially Tech Ecs, it's so punchy and beefy, my comfort album. The problem, I believe, is in the track order, it makes no sense. I restructured it, and just that would've made a big difference: Side 1 - Back Street Kids All Moving Parts (Stand Still) She's Gone Dirty Women Side 2 - Rock 'n' Roll Doctor Gypsy You Won't Change Me It's Alright

You can't hoover that much sherbet up your nose and expect the creative muse to remain intact. Faithful to the cover art, TE does sound in places like Daleks mating in a flophouse. That said, 'Rock 'n' Roll Doctor' is kinda cool and 'Gypsy' starts like Cozy Powell's 'Dance With the Devil' (which ain't a bad thing) The best album Spinal Tap never made. 'Never Say Die' is probably more than deserving of the response 'RIP' but does at least have three good tracks: "It's a Hard Road' 'Junior's Eyes' and the toe tappin' head boppin' single 'Never Say Die' y'all.

Ozzy's entitled to his opinion, but Never Say Die was an excellent Sabbath Album. It wasn't as odd as Tech Excstacy..Jrs Eyes is one of their best songs ever..Johnny Blade. Just like Glenn Hughes Hates Seventh Star...wrong Dude...its awesome even if u were strung out! Bill is sooo underrated. Geezer is top 5 Bass players of all time ( Jack Bruce, Geezer, John Paul Jones, Gaddy, Jaco.Tony the greatest Riff Master ever ..matt

"It's noticeably weaker than the previous effort" It's not.

Gypsy is a masterpiece

Music is such a personal and subjective experience for those like myself that become totally immersed in it. So how is it that music writers/journalists/critics etc.. almost always trot out the same narrative? LIke the accepted take on Technical Ecstacy and Never Say Die being garbage by a defeated drugged out band. I get that it was a hard time for them for a myriad of reasons, but lets not forget that the drugs are not always an obstacle to making great records. Relationships are a different story. There we logical understable reasons for them experimenting with their sounds and even songwriting that are outside the scope of a reasonable length comment. I see both these albums as flawed genius. I love these records because they bring out aspects of their songwriting and multidimensional musicianship that almost no other heavy rock band could equal in terms of scope and conviction. The main flaw of these albums , if one wants to really be honest and in context of the times, is that Sabbath's classic output was too heavy and outside the mainstream for most, and by 1976-78 the ever-fickle music trends had not place for any version of Sabbath to comfortably occupy as far as label support was concerned and it was just not a fashionable and popular time to be black Sabbath. Sometimes life is cruel that way, but they are brave, unique and often fantastic albums in their own right. Make up your own minds - do not believe the common narrative about these records. They are different but also great for very different reasons in my opinion. I play NSD frequently to this day.

NSD is in my top 4 of original Sabbath albums, l just love that album, TE is my least favourite of the original line-up albums.

Technical Ecstasy sounds like Foreigner or something. Rock 'n' Roll Doctor is a bad Kiss imitation. Never Say Die has its moments. Both albums are OK.

Technical ecstasy is probably my least favorite out of the 70s Sabbath albums, but it still is a pretty rocking album overall.

i think many of the "i love TE /NSD" commenters would have to admit there was a falloff after sabotage- Their first 6 albums are all "bangers" as the kids say- the last 2, meh.......

Only Ozzy can sing Black Sabbath. He is Black Sabbath.

Both TE and NSD are better than anything released after Ozzy left. They are great records that get a bad rap for no other reason than a critics echo chamber. Never Say Die is the better of the 2 and is far superior to Heaven and Hell as far as I'm concerned.

Malcolm Dome. Music journalist. Lol.

This is called a technical ecstacy documentary but its all about never say die. Whats up with that?

while technical is my least favorite it still has some good shit on it .

Doom metal gods

I didn’t like “Never Say Die” except for the actual song “Never Say Die”. Didn’t like Vol 4 either except for the first song. 😊

Coke blows away. Don't empty out on table..ever.

All bands were into "drugs" in the 70's ( as were the audiences ) .

Good album , suffers from poor production. Shame this album and Never say die are much overlooked Never say die is OUTSTANDING.

Who's the guy saying Never Say Die is forgettable.....I think you are whacked there Orlov !!!...I hate these so called experts !!!

Disagree with Ozzy 100%; Never say die is an excellent LP

What a load of crap! Never Say Die, if not a great album, is certainly a very good album, a shade better than the previous one.

"Never Say Die. Well I say die now and get on with it". 😄

Don’t listen to these weirdos in this video: both albums have very good tunes, perhaps far removed from the stuff they wrote before, but great nonetheless.

It’s strange to me, that these individuals in the video, all look like they should be on sex offender registry lists. Creepy bunch.

I could not agree with Krusher any more strongly. Technical Ecstasy and Never Say Die were crap. For me, they are the 2 blots on the copybook. Dehumanizer and 13 i'd put next on that list if asked.

I agree with Ozzy. NSD is garbage. By Sabbaths standards anyways

Dirty woman is better than anything on never say die

Technical Ecstasy was awful, Iommi's favorite band at the time was the new band Foreigner and it sounds like it.

Sabbath has one of the worst come downs in rock history. They went from Sabotage and Vol 4 to Technical Ecstasy,,,damn

Pretty good album but I wish they'd left off Bill Ward's song "It's Alright" as it's bloody awful. Completely spoils the album. Just like his singing on the "Never Say Die!" album song "Swinging the Chain". Remove those two songs and those two albums would have been so much better (IMHO).

Dirty Women❤

Stopped watching after Malcom Dome and that other guy's ill informed naysaying comments. Several earthshaking tunes on TE, like Gypsy and You Won't Change Me.