Open forging die for decorative elements
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4 жыл бұрынOpen die forging is a great way to get repeatable results for many decorative forgings in the blacksmith shop. In todays video we take a look at making a fairly simple open forging die and the element it creates.
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@cobre7717 Жыл бұрын
I like when you show yourself spending hours on the floor watching it air harden. Seems waay more entertaining than watching paint dry
@rickfabin5472 4 жыл бұрын
Once again Very nice video. I learned as much from your mistakes as I did from the final product. Thank you
@Jormunduur 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for showing the whole process here. So much more educational to learn from the process rather than a straight-through success generated by editing out your learning steps.
@qubadmalik1 4 жыл бұрын
Good to see you still kicking around old friend. I pray that you be safe in these tough times. Very Happy to see your new videos.
@jimhumphrey 4 жыл бұрын
Thursday has started off good with a new technique learned. Thank you!
@HomeShowTV 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. The items on the pediment are pomegranates btw. They are frequently seen in medieval art adorning columns.
@mikemichelizzi2023 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for showing the process as well as the troubleshooting! The spot of sunlight on your anvil reminded me of the Three Stooges trying their hand at laundry, haha.
@springwoodcottage4248 4 жыл бұрын
Fabulous, so enchanting, learning something completely new to me, seeing the transition from first prototype, noting its limitations and then progressing on to the second, the making of the tool, the changing of hammer weight till something so much better than the first was born. Beautiful, educational and motivational! Thanks for sharing!
@rorykirk872 4 жыл бұрын
The devils blacksmiths project would be so much fun to try but your project today’s shows how much work goes into these masterpieces. Thanks for taking the time to share your work with us.
@richardbradley961 4 жыл бұрын
HELLO ,,, LIKE YOUR SENCE OF HUMER,, LIYING ON THE FLOER,, PLUS THE CONTENT..........THANK YOU..REGARDS FROM, R ....
@douglasfathers4848 4 жыл бұрын
I often see things like these leaves and wonder how they are made. So thank you John for showing the full process and the do's and don'ts. Your teaching methods remind me of a old mate from Ukraine he was a master of his trade as well ,and he had that ability to teach just by as we used to call show and tell . {RIP Ugen} .
@jeffputnam8554 4 жыл бұрын
you are a great teacher
@mtyson9004 4 жыл бұрын
Great work and information! Thanks John and God Bless you sir!
@pjamestx 4 жыл бұрын
Great video! As always, just as helpful to see any missteps as it is to see the final product.
@gurvinderkau1e5w18 4 жыл бұрын
Beautiful die.great video enjoyed a lot👍👍👍👍
@billygildark4565 4 жыл бұрын
Wow absolutely stunning to think of the craftsmanship that people/artisans had before electricity occurred....
@garybeasley4885 4 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of a cluster of sumac berrys. The bigger dimples could be ground to resemble a cluster of grapes, another common decorative motif.
@GodschildinNC 4 жыл бұрын
Drill and tap some holes in the sides of the block, so you could place and remove handles.
@jeremiahjohnson1325 4 жыл бұрын
Love it john getting close to lightning up the forge for the first time thanks for all your info can't wait to make my first tool
@BlackBearForge 4 жыл бұрын
Good luck!
@jeremiahjohnson1325 4 жыл бұрын
@@BlackBearForge John I believe my coal is a anthracite has some fines should I moisten them or burn dry
@sunqwest1 4 жыл бұрын
enjoy your demos. Thanks
@TalRohan 4 жыл бұрын
Very nice little block...great to see your process and the end product looked fantastic. I think it's important to be critical of our own work, just as you are. That way we improve and find new ways of doing things instead of just being happy with the first try. Often then products that we are still finding fault with are actually far beyond the expectations of the intended recipient.
@BlackBearForge 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks 👍
@charleszimmermann7784 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you John, I have throughly enjoyed the Hook of the week series, and look forward to more projects from Black Bear!
@brysonalden5414 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, as always, for sharing your thought process, techniques, and in-flight corrections!
@BlackBearForge 4 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@maknifeandrods7701 4 жыл бұрын
This is a great video. You always astonish me with many of your projects. We see things like this day in day out and never think of how they once were made. Thank you for taking the time to show us.
@BlackBearForge 4 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@MLFranklin 3 жыл бұрын
Cool project.
@Lesnz2009 4 жыл бұрын
Cool project I loved it
@lenblacksmith8559 4 жыл бұрын
Really nice John. Love it.
@NeilGraham.I.M.F 4 жыл бұрын
I like that process
@TheOldaz1 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting project and a great instructional how to make a die. Thanks John.
@olddawgdreaming5715 4 жыл бұрын
Great job John.👍👍 That’s awesome blacksmithing!! Thanks for sharing with us, Fred.
@kaypalmer7485 4 жыл бұрын
Good stuff
@bobmusser9862 4 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy watching your channel, l am just getting started and your videos are so helpful. Thanks
@sdavis7916 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for a great educational and inspiring video!
@BlackBearForge 4 жыл бұрын
My pleasure!
@neilgillmore 4 жыл бұрын
good show BBF
@beach7694 4 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to see this used in a hook of the week episode!
@BlackBearForge 4 жыл бұрын
Hopefully you won't have to wait to long
@andrewostrelczuk406 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for showing this... it reminds me of Sycamore???when it has the flowery red stuff sticking up near late summer
@parlainthtownie85 4 жыл бұрын
My 2 year old son loves the hammers. "Daddy Hammo, Hammo!"
@marcerivest6204 4 жыл бұрын
Good job with this tool, l could see using a die like this for various shapes and sizes
@hannemannironworks1651 4 жыл бұрын
Very cool John I see that making a tentacle die pretty easy
@johnportwood6223 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks John I love your videos I have lurnd so mutch from you thanks again anGod Bless
@BlackBearForge 4 жыл бұрын
You are very welcome
@dgtlmoon 4 жыл бұрын
Yeha real blacksmithing!!!! Ive only done this under a powerhammer, but looks also very very nice by hand
@TonyUrryMakes 4 жыл бұрын
Quite useful for me. I designed and built a press but haven’t made any dies yet. This started the creative process for me. Thank you.
@GWIRailroad 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome job John, I really enjoyed this project. Thank You Wayne
@BlackBearForge 4 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@thomasarussellsr 4 жыл бұрын
Great looking raspberry the second go around. The first was nice, and resembled small-ish grapes. I prefer the second though. Well done, John. Thanks for sharing.
@frankgaletzka8477 4 жыл бұрын
Hello John A very dekorativ Element and thank you for sharing the tool Produktion with us and i look forward what you do with this Element Greetings Yours Frank
@MrJamesjustin 4 жыл бұрын
That's classy stuff John. Good going sir.
@BlackBearForge 4 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@oldschool3372 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I enjoyed the process of rediscovery of how they could have made those.
@BlackBearForge 4 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@erniebeswick7675 4 жыл бұрын
Great teaching 👍 love. Your tool video
@BlackBearForge 4 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@stuffbywoody5497 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for yet another awesome and informative video. I can see how this technique can be used for making quite a few copies of something if you were going to make something with a lot of decorative elements on it, or even curtain rod ends. I really enjoy the way you take us on your experimental journey as you figure out how to best do things. I like it. Thank you John 👍
@BlackBearForge 4 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@stuffbywoody5497 4 жыл бұрын
@@BlackBearForge , of all the Blacksmithing channels I watch, yours has become the "Go To" channel for most of what I want to know. Thank you for the great content of your Channel John.
@RRINTHESHOP 4 жыл бұрын
Very nice and useful pattern, I like it. Thank you for sharing your process.
@BlackBearForge 4 жыл бұрын
You’re welcome 😊
@moireu4974 4 жыл бұрын
Woooo you are great
@alext.7313 4 жыл бұрын
John, I have a couple things to say on this video. 1: the sample piece, to me, looks like they are supposed to be pine cones maybe. 2: If you ever decide to make a few of those dies, please let us know! I'd be very interested in procuring one myself!
@martinu2725 4 жыл бұрын
I could see the step 1 impression and some chisel markings rather than the dots becoming a fir cone mould too
@thomasarussellsr 4 жыл бұрын
Yup, I was thinking how one could modify this for a pinecone element.
@jeffgrier8488 4 жыл бұрын
Nice work John, I really like the way the second one turned out. I suppose the possibilities are endless when it comes to decorative elements like this.
@BlackBearForge 4 жыл бұрын
Its a type if tool and technique I am just starting to explore. I think there are, as you say, endless possibilities.
@thomasarussellsr 4 жыл бұрын
@@BlackBearForge Only limited by imagination and the removability of the forged element from the die.
@canuckloyalist4681 4 жыл бұрын
Good morning BB, nice work!
@BlackBearForge 4 жыл бұрын
Morning!
@bartweir1789 4 жыл бұрын
Caught you laying down on the job. You never fail to teach though.
@franciscole482 2 жыл бұрын
John I have been studying the hinges for years. It seems that instead of the knobs being round they were pyramids and weathering has made them round on the outside of the building there's one hinge from the inside of the building that's probably more modern. But the pieces are all filed not round dots also if you look closely at the handles of the doors the the pieces on the hinges are embossed and on the handles they are all rounded
@MatthewTinker-au-pont-blanc 4 жыл бұрын
Making tools, soooooooooo............ much more interesting than hooks!
@williamsultana3848 4 жыл бұрын
Hi John
@Earthenfist 4 жыл бұрын
I was actually just thinking about decorative dies. We've got a relatively simple stainless silverware set, with a specific pattern in one spot, but lost the large serving spoon, and I was considering trying to make a die to replicate it.
@Jetmech1781 4 жыл бұрын
For a hardy, if you're making multiple dies the same size, could you make a jig that fits the hardy just to hold it in place? That way, you could use the same dies on the hydraulic press as well.
@jaquigreenlees 3 жыл бұрын
wheat sheave. as with much French heraldry there were wheat heads or bundles ( sheaves ) of wheat in or on the insignia I would say the "leaf shape" was a wheat sheave. If they were thinner and pointed it would be a stalk.
@danbreyfogle8486 4 жыл бұрын
The second one is defiantly more refined but I suspect that the first one would be useful in work that was a bit more rustic in nature. I had no idea how that would have been produced without seeing the entire process.
@MarkATrombley 4 жыл бұрын
It looks like either an artichoke or an ear of corn as done by somebody who had never seen an artichoke or an ear of corn.
@oxenforde 4 жыл бұрын
21:28 Been there. Done that.
@thomasarussellsr 4 жыл бұрын
Done what? Laying down on the job, or watched steel cool?
@Curtislow2 4 жыл бұрын
The first images is of the Pineal gland,John.,But you knew that!
@stephniewilliams9350 4 жыл бұрын
Very very nice. You got quite close. I've done similar for simple designs too. For this though, I personally would have cast a reverse master die, but that requires a crucible. It's overall less work and more precise.
@dicksargent3582 4 жыл бұрын
what would you have cast it from? Cast iron would be to brittle to hammer against, maybe could be used in the press with caution. Casting it from malleable iron could be as involved as forging. John is trying to duplicate the processes that would have been originally used.
@stephniewilliams9350 4 жыл бұрын
@@dicksargent3582 yup, cast iron would be too brittle. You can use high quality steel nowadays to do it. My family does. But we do have way more than a homemade crucible too. It's a little more involved, yes, but not that much more so. Blacksmiths in older times would have sought out a caster to do it. Especially if it required little finicky bits and designs. That way every die was exactly the same. Casting has been around for ages. Even longer than smithing proper. The plate sheets for plate mail were likely cast in a similar way, only flat and oversized to then be fitted to the person (we do it that way)
@stephniewilliams9350 4 жыл бұрын
To be fair, my family have records going back several hundred years most people don't have access to. And our main forges don't use any electricity (except for lighting or propane forges, tho we mostly use coal) Plus add in oral tradition and apprenticeship and a lot gets passed down
@dicksargent3582 4 жыл бұрын
@@stephniewilliams9350 your talking a few hundred years. At the time the hinges for Notre Dame were made the only steels available were made thru a carburization process similar to case hardening or in an open charcoal fire. Wrought iron was the primary material and produced in small 30" high furnaces. The ability of casting steel did not exist until much more resently.
@michaeldouglas3950 4 жыл бұрын
Looks like you could make some cool squid tentacles with the first attempt.
@521cjb 4 жыл бұрын
It's a Raspberry !
@Zogg1281 4 жыл бұрын
The second one looks great and kind of reminds me if a thistle flower. I'm wondering if that's what they were originally going for? Someone probably knows 👍
@BlackBearForge 4 жыл бұрын
Could be
@crisfrazer 4 жыл бұрын
If I'm not mistaken, which I very well might be, that is supposed to be a strawberry.
@thomasarussellsr 4 жыл бұрын
Loads of different fruits and plants seen by different folks. I see a raspberry, but after reading your comment, I can see a strawberry as well. Thanks
@HomeShowTV 4 жыл бұрын
Pomegranates. Traditional column toppers.
@andycamm6317 4 жыл бұрын
Would it help when punching the impression to use a block to push the die against
@chrismattson 4 жыл бұрын
looks like a hops elemant
@BlackBearForge 4 жыл бұрын
That is a good possibility
@marcopolo1119 2 жыл бұрын
Congratulations my friend, you are an artist. I would like to ask you, how did you weld the leaves? If you make a video, it will be great. Thank you for all.
@BlackBearForge 2 жыл бұрын
They were forge welded. Here is the video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gs2JZciQmszaeIE.html
@marcopolo1119 2 жыл бұрын
@@BlackBearForge Thank you very much.
@marcleblanc7021 4 жыл бұрын
What a great video. But im curious on how was that impression put on to the hinge
@BlackBearForge 4 жыл бұрын
Each element is forged individually then each row or layer is forge welded in turn.
@thomasarussellsr 4 жыл бұрын
@@BlackBearForge It astonishes me how they could forge weld an element like this without destroying the element.
@BigWillSD 4 жыл бұрын
Could those florets represent barly? Very interesting, Making a tool to make a tool that makes a tool lol John if you've mentioned it I hadn't seen it, but did you ever get to take the making padlock class?
@cynrich1 4 жыл бұрын
I saw it as barley as well. There are lots of medieval imagery using barley-corn and I immediately thought of that. The whole Devil's Blacksmith sample looks very symbolic "sheaf-of-wheat' to me.
@imatveyzasipkin 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing, great die you got there. I would just like to mention that at 21:28 I saw you start annealing the steel at a temperature way above what is normally done with these alloys. S7 is a hypoeutectoid steel, and indeed this type of steel requires supercritical annealing in order to recristallize secondary ferrite phase (as opposed to hypereutectoid steels for which heating only above Ac1 temperature is required, because it results in almost complete recristallization of the structure whilst leaving secondary cementite as is). However either the camera doesnt show colors properly, or your workpiece was actually much hotter than Ac3 temperature for S7 steel, which in this case is suboptimal, as it increases grain size unnecessarily. Just my 0.02, things from university metal science course. If that sounds too sophisticated, trust me, its actually not. Of course all of that is neither magic nor secret and everyone willing to study thermal treatment and Fe-Fe3C phase diagram in detail can do that on the web. Cheers from Russia
@thomasarussellsr 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the educational details on cooling/hardening special tool steel. Glad to see a scientifc explaination in the comments.
@Sztivmon 4 жыл бұрын
Would it be possible to do the dimple pattern and then set the leaf shape afterward? Maybe do deep dimples so they don't get erased?
@BlackBearForge 4 жыл бұрын
I would expect the edges of the dimples to collapse into the impression using that approach. But I didn't try it, so It might work.
@rsz90182 11 ай бұрын
Could they be pineapples or corn on the cob?
@Brian-bn3qp 4 жыл бұрын
Just curious, would a center punch have worked for the dimple impression? Or would it have been... to pointy, I guess is the word I'm looking for?
@BlackBearForge 4 жыл бұрын
I think it would have been to pointy
@OuroborosArmory 4 жыл бұрын
If you have a 1” square hole on your treadle hammer, would it be bad to fake your flat die off your bottom, and put a square hole for tools like this? Obviously it won’t be a full hardy as it can only be a few inches long, but will it hurt the treadle hammer?
@BlackBearForge 4 жыл бұрын
I do use tools with a 1" square shank under the treadle hammer. Works great
@cuttwice3905 4 жыл бұрын
I would guess that the figure is an artichoke.
@emmengel 4 жыл бұрын
could they be pine cones
@paulcorrigan649 4 жыл бұрын
Couldn't you make some sort of cup for it to sit in at the anvil? I'm thinking of your hardy hole size reducing thing. If you had one of those you could make a bunch of moulds but only need one hardy?
@BlackBearForge 4 жыл бұрын
You certainly could
@dakotasmith8282 4 жыл бұрын
Would it be possible to put another imprint on the other side of the die without messing up the original one, or would the process smash it too much?
@BlackBearForge 4 жыл бұрын
I think you would be likely to mess up the first one.
@thomasarussellsr 4 жыл бұрын
@@BlackBearForge depends on the heat, I would think. Quench the first side and let the second one stay hotter. Might this work?
@madwilliamflint 4 жыл бұрын
Knowing nothing about nothing, my instinct is to create a die holder for the hardy hole that open die blocks like this would seat in to, to make that kind of work a bit easier.
@BlackBearForge 4 жыл бұрын
That would work well
@madwilliamflint 4 жыл бұрын
@@BlackBearForge I thought it might. Not sure how I'd go about shaping the square (well, 1x2ish) internal. Heck, maybe the exact same way you form the primary internal feature of the die? I'm setting up my forge over the next week or so at my new house so I'm thrilled to ruin a bunch of material on technique practice. Maybe this is something I'll give a shot before I'm ready.
@trihex9 4 жыл бұрын
Does a watched tool cool faster? :-)
@BlackBearForge 4 жыл бұрын
Nope
@allanking3800 4 жыл бұрын
How would you attach it to the finished piece?
@BlackBearForge 4 жыл бұрын
Check out my latest video for the detailed instructions.
@rogergadley9965 4 жыл бұрын
Could the plant heads be a representation of pine cones, blackberries (doubtful), pineapples (also doubtful)?
@keithrhodes7386 4 жыл бұрын
Pineapple is not necessarily wrong. The pineapple is a very common architectural element, but not knowing when the original at Notre Dame was made, I don't know if it is too early. Otherwise, it could well be a pine cone. There's almost certainly some symbolism that needs to be considered, too.
@BlackBearForge 4 жыл бұрын
There are many possibilities
@rrmolzen 4 жыл бұрын
I'm going to guess its supposed to be a thistle.
@dewaldtfourie7873 4 жыл бұрын
First like
@careytaylor-forbes2505 4 жыл бұрын
It looks like a stylised pine cone to me.
@BlackBearForge 4 жыл бұрын
it could be
@masv2101 4 жыл бұрын
Strawberry... or anther barry
@NavinBetamax 4 жыл бұрын
21:33. kinda like watching paint dry........but......both.....touch-me-not too soon......only watch !!! Lol !
@NavinBetamax 4 жыл бұрын
Love the way you explain the way to do it . Thanks !
@berlinetta350 4 жыл бұрын
And they say watching paint dry is boring, try watching tool steel air harden.
@BlackBearForge 4 жыл бұрын
😜
@mattpaulsen8299 4 жыл бұрын
At first look I thought it was a squid tentacle.
@demastust.2277 4 жыл бұрын
The part where you laid down near the vermiculite and stared at it, that was a joke, right? It was funny, unexpected.
@BlackBearForge 4 жыл бұрын
Seems like the watched tool doesn't cool any faster 😜
@thomasarussellsr 4 жыл бұрын
@@BlackBearForge Great twist on the boiling water adage. I love it. LOL
@aktrapper6126 4 жыл бұрын
Sooo....you make a tool to make another tool to make a product. Yup.
@farmerboy916 4 жыл бұрын
Now imagine setting up from scratch, even for something simple. You make a device to incorporate into a workstation so that you can start making tools that will help you make tools to make new devices and other tools so that you can make more complex tools to make another tool to make another tool to make a product, making about a hundred slightly related tools along the way.
@melanisticmandalorian Жыл бұрын
acorns ..... it's acorns
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