You have negative ev if you play 6 to 5.

I try to tell people but even my own wife thought 6 was more. Even after being told I’m sure she still has her doubts.

Sure you do. It's just not going to be a positive number.

walkabout29 6/5 is beatable with a large enough spread. Just ask Richard Munchkin

@@HanStanwell despite people thinking 6:5 is beatable with a large spread it's not really true. We are talking about +4 true count to break even on a bet.

Yo! They figured you'd be Back!! And they were Correct. Lol.

@@Mdmc9738 that’s kind of the point of counting. You go back and do it again that’s how you make money

It's really tough - logically, I think most people with this sort of volatile, up and down sort of income knows that it's about the long run and getting to the point where the results approach the mean - but in the short term, winning is just so much easier to deal with.

@@jaxsonbateman it's like investing, yes the market has some red days, but in the long run most stocks have increased

Tyler if you could help me out: I'm playing in Europe and my bankroll is 1,000$ with a table min of 1$, the game rules are normal(H17, no surrender) double deck. What should my bet spread look like? What should I bet according to the true count? Back offs aren't a problem so I don't mind an aggressive spread. I would by the BJA pro-betting software but it's expensive and my bankroll is pretty small. Thanks 🙏.

in which casino bro ?

It’s almost as if you didn’t watch the video at all 🤦‍♂️

Yep.

It's human nature. That's why casinos almost never go broke.

Thanks man!

So true!

KurtisApache ror good sir

Right on. Make sure you invest in perfect skills and hopefully I hear from you in a while that your bankroll has continued to grow.

Will do. Currently working with hi-lo count and the 2 deviations you mentioned in a previous video to provide a 5% increase in EV. Going to keep expanding my skillset as I master each step.

KurtisApache they’ve cut off his internet

@@TrikPikYT 5% increase? 🤔

@@gstacks510 in EV, not the house edge

If you could help me out: I'm playing in Europe and my bankroll is 1,000$ with a table min of 1$, the game rules are normal(H17, no surrender) double deck. What should my bet spread look like? What should I bet according to the true count? Back offs aren't a problem so I don't mind an aggressive spread. I would by the BJA pro-betting software but it's expensive and my bankroll is pretty small. Thanks 🙏.

@@karlthekounter I have not purchased the BJA Pro software. I have another product which the BJA folks are familiar with. If you are serious about your game the ROI of BJA software (or others) is worth the investment.

No...but they will happily take your AV checks

Go when playing conditions are good. But please invest in your training before you start going to the casino. If you aren't 100% perfect, you're just gambling. And as far as starting bankroll, I'd read this: www.blackjackapprenticeship.com/recommended-blackjack-bankroll/

@KurtisApache I ended up buying CVCX Chapter X package. It was little pricey but damn its worth and will guarantee you almost winning game

@KurtisApache It was $170 for the package, and no I haven't been playing in the casino. I was going too until CVCX showed many flaws in my game that need be corrected first before I play. But I'm a Dealer in a Casino already, so I guess I've been playing a lot ;)

I know this is a 3 year old comment so you probably don't need this advice anymore, but just for anyone else reading: No. At least not while you're learning. Because counting cards has such a small edge, any team will test you to ensure your play is 100% perfect before they let you play with their money. However, you *can* find a card counter you highly trust and allow them to use your money as bankroll, then split the profits. Since higher bankrolls lead to higher EV, even established card counters would be interested in this if you have enough $ to provide.

Where did you end up so far

@@hans7103 Rumor has it that he single handedly put 4 casinos out of business.

I have card counter friends who had terrible starts to their careers. My friends "SD1" and "Joe748" are 2 that come to mind. But they stuck with it. SD1 has passed the 6-figure mark in the past 1.5 years and Joe just passed the $1Million mark (over 5 years).

Sounds like there is hope for me :) I'm still practicing my game before I hit the casino with serious intentions.

@@keithduff6312 So, 3 years later, how goes the results?

@@nohnohbody I stepped away from the card counting scene. Never quite mastered true count conversions and don't have access to great games in my area. Hoping to pick it back up as more of a hobby one day after I nail a few other goals in my career.

if youre ev is 40$ an hour , and you only made 10k .....that means you only played like 250 hours that year?

oh yea your expenses i get it

40$ an hour doesn't mean you make it means it's he average you make. In 250h you can still go for a losing streak and be down

If you could help me out: I'm playing in Europe and my bankroll is 1,000$ with a table min of 1$, the game rules are normal(H17, no surrender) double deck. What should my bet spread look like? What should I bet according to the true count? Back offs aren't a problem so I don't mind an aggressive spread. I would by the BJA pro-betting software but it's expensive and my bankroll is pretty small. Thanks 🙏.

"Reasonable" is subjective. For the blackjack team I ran, most people played 40-80 hours/mo. Some pros play 500 hours/year, others play 1,500.

Sounds like seminole hard rock, Tampa!

If you could help me out: I'm playing in Europe and my bankroll is 1,000$ with a table min of 1$, the game rules are normal(H17, no surrender) double deck. What should my bet spread look like? What should I bet according to the true count? Back offs aren't a problem so I don't mind an aggressive spread. I would by the BJA pro-betting software but it's expensive and my bankroll is pretty small. Thanks 🙏.

​@@karlthekountertable min of $1? Holy shit what a good table

@@karlthekounter perhaps 1 to 5 dollars on the starting hands and increase in increments such as twice that bet at a plus 1.. 4x times that bet with true count of 2. .. 6x that bet with true count of three.. & so on. Colin actually has a video on the proper way to bet spread. You might have found it by now but I hope that helps. 🚀 If you use $10 as your personal minimum bet then you would just use the 2x, 4x, 6x and so on based on your $10 .

@@karlthekounter Look into software, I wouldn't trust randos on the internet with your money. If the BJA software is too expensive, you can find free betting programs online, they're usually just clunky and a bit hard to learn. But I'd say it's better to invest in some good software to optimize your EV, rather than potentially saving money now and losing money at the table. Best of luck to ya

so sad but so true.

As long as you have the edge you are generating Expected Value. This could mean playing at anywhere from a 50.5% to 51, 52, 53% likelihood of winning a given hand. When you lose this is called negative variance. As long as we keep playing with an edge and playing correctly, we will win in the long run. To summarize, luck has nothing to do with it.

If you tap out your session bank (which is unlikely if your ROR is dialed in), you get tired or find that you're mentally distracted, or the losses are starting to put you on tilt, then yea I would leave. I personally leave if I hit a certain amount of money during a session that I think is reasonably discreet. This is only so I don't overstay my welcome. Most of the PCs at my local store know what I do, and I don't bite the hand that feeds me.

The main advantage is it allows you to pool your bankrolls together so you can generate more EV while keeping your risk low; Also you have multiple people generating EV instead of just you; And finally it gives you the opportunity to actually play as a team at the same table, but most teams don't do that.

You get to the long term quicker effectively

CVCX by Qfit

Now you are thinking like a smart man. This is a missing part of the analysis fior a lot of people. Don't give up your $150,000 per year job as a computer programmer to do this full-time. However if you like cards, you can at least try to make it a hobby that pays you back instead of the other way around.

He has addressed this many times.

remember that you probably don't do the same amount of work as in normal job so in that case you probably would still make money in an hour

Yeah, you lose more HANDS as a card counter, but you win 55% of your sessions. That's because of double downs and blackjacks paying 3:2. I can elaborate if you want, but you're correct that a card counter loses more hands than he wins, but not all hands are equal EV. =)

no reason to elaborate. whats a session?

When you go in to play, and then after a while you're done playing, that was a session.

I would put a session as about a 100 hands. In this example a blackjack counts as 1.5 win a double down counts as 2 wins or 2 loses. The 55% is coming out ahead after the session not on a given hand. The important thing in blackjack is not how many hands you win or lose in a session whats important is how much money you win or lose. If you lose 60 bets and win 40 in a session you can come out ahead money wise if you had a higher average bet on wins then on losses.

Chris, thank you for your reply. I believe your not correct. Your cannot win money with a 4 out of 10 win rate. As I stated to Colin, at all TC you must win 43.5% to make money. Less then TC=3 you will lose more money, but the % of win rate over TC>=3 only increases appx 1.8%. Doug Grant in 1980's built BJ teams, he said their are no beginnings or endings to a BJ session. If your can find his material, worth reading. Again I stand corrected.

Thanks!

Ev turns into real money the longer you play.

Yeah, that’s a great point. Talk up your big losses!

When I win big I like to shrink my win to the pit by pocketing chips the chips I pocket I dont color up at the end not cashing all my chips at once if I know the cash out requires a pit call. Where I live I can use my chips to buy in at other neighboring casinos so I do that to. The goal is to really win money but have a losing record on the books with the pit this minimizes heat.

6 to 5 bj gives the house an extra whopping 1.39% ...instead of +2 TC you gonne need + 5 TC hehehe no i dont think so

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Like I said in the video, we use software. Our Membership comes with a Bankroll Management App which shows EV and Risk for a large variety of bet spreads. Or if you need more, I recommend CVCX by QFit.

Even if consistency do 51% is great.

Yeah, you can't have both. You can make money, but with backoffs. Or you can never get backed off by being a gambler/losing player.

Blackjack Apprenticeship what happens if you get backed off all your local casinos ? Flying to play seems like expenses will get very high.

@@ChengDonald watch their documentary Comps are the fastest answer But $430 an hr is worth the trip

It is not a reliable source. Thats why this guy created a cult church group. You also can't count cards if the casino is smarter and use automated shufflers.

From what I understand, it's not illegal but frowned upon. It's also not cheating. But casinos also have the right to refuse service and ban you from their property over it. If it were illegal though, you could get thrown in prison for it.

You can't anyways. They have automated shufflers now. Pointless

Ohk thx

@@ballersforlife1674 not all casinos have automatic shufflers, theres still many casinos where you can count cards

What's that?

Lol

who said he was working a 40 hour week? Colin is at about $430/hour in profits.

@@blackjackapprenticeshipgus6559 very good point

I would rather make 40k a year tax free than to make a little more, but all to taxes Card counters get to write off whatever they want, and if I did it, I would flip my winnings or use other legal tax shelters. Most jobs rob you of your wages before paying out

It’s the worst game to play, just all you need to know.

Not when the math is on your side over the long term

@@bazilcardamone2312 nope. They're still a gambler... They just want to feel better about themselves... It's like a hooker saying "oh I'm not a hooker, I'm an escort"

Sergey Kuksenko yeah but he said point 5 percent 👍🏼

Good luck with that. We'll be here when you realize that Forex is more of a gamble.

@@Blackjackapprenticeship Wow i got your attention :-) thank you for your kind reply, now i have done some amazing things in Forex, and really i learnt a lot from your video. Good stuff.

Rake and taxes make things risky Gold and silver will produce slightly better results for most traders If you can beat the gains from silver and losses from inflation, I give you props though

Which is? Roulette. Say it instead of keeping it a "secret"

To be fair, our #1 video is undercover footage of me getting kicked out of a casino. 😉

@@Blackjackapprenticeship Is that what you're selling people to happen to them?

@@6B26asyGKDo @Blackjack Apprenticeship absolutely gives realistic expectations. Don't come and watch 1 video and pretend you know what's going on here. Yes they are trying to make money, and they have earned the right to do so. But don't think that after watching a couple videos that there is any type of falseness here. They lay out the reality of what will really happen to you and they repeat over and over this isn't a get rich quick scheme. This is a long haul, that you need to commit to to see any benefit. As they explain over and over, you need perfect skills with perfect betting deviations to even have a chance at winning 55% of the time. If you are really skeptical, get yourself 6 decks, a bunch of poker chips and play every shoe exactly how they say. After getting through 50 shoes, see if you are up for down. This is exactly what I did. I sat down with a 6 decks, $1000 in chips and a 1-8 bet spread betting at $10 TC=4. I did not play through running counts that were TC-2 or lower. After the first shoe i was down 10 dollars. After the second shoe I was at 1280, after the 3rd shoe i was at 1300. Also if your local casinos don't have favourable rules that sucks for you but here the local casino has 8 decks, DAS, H17, and no surrender. I played by those exact rules and was able to win that $300 at home in 3 shoes.

@@greg4953 I'm not saying the math is wrong dude, the second you start rasing and rasing your bets at the end of a shoe when you weren't at the start, they will literally just kick you out. I wish you the best of luck, I honestly hope it lasts for you, however I'd bet money you'd never get through any significant amount of shoes while counting cards perfecting without getting thrown out.

It's on my bucket list to get backed off hard where the guy is pissed a little

ok badass

He said 4 million "profit". The word "profit" is defined as: a financial gain, especially the difference between the amount earned and the amount spent in buying, operating, or producing something. Meaning they ended with 4 million more than they started with. Granted, that would be split between a group of people, but still. Also, how is playing a card game using statistics a cult? Sure, one of the groups were members of a church, but I don't see how that relates to playing a card game.