Blackmagic App & Apple LOG vs Blackmagic Cinema Camera

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In this video I compare the iPhone 15 Pro Max shooting Apple ProRes Log in the Blackmagic camera app against the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K... Can you tell them apart?
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0:00 Intro
0:19 BMD Interface
0:47 The Comparison Setup
2:08 Can you guess?
3:21 The Results
5:47 Wrap-up
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@Flamamacue 9 ай бұрын

I own both and picked A immediately as the Apple log footage, mainly due to the slightly yellower hue and lifted shadows and then noticed the highlights on the table. But maaaaan it's close as can be. I've started using my 15 Pro on an Osmo mobile 6 for real estate work - a 13mm/24mm/70mm with no real need for shallow depth of field is the perfect application for this camera. It really shines and I prefer it to the P4K and my Z6ii for RE work. It's also a fraction of the weight This is easily the biggest leap ever in smartphone camera improvements imo. Super excited for the creative opportunities being able to be ready & rolling with this quality within 5 seconds at almost any time

@AllThingsFilm1 9 ай бұрын

I don't know if you've tried it, but another creator suggested under exposing Apple Log by 1 or 2 stops since the iPhone tends to over expose. I found doing this helped improve my Apple Log shots quite noticeably. I was also very impressed when I raised the shadows in post with Apple Log, to compensate for the under exposure, that the highlights had better detail and the shadows and footage was surprisingly clean. The level of noise in Apple Log is quite low from what I would expect out of a smartphone camera.

@melgross 9 ай бұрын

That’s correct. At the lowest ISO we only get 10.5 stops of dynamic range. But at higher ISOs we can get as much as 14 stops, which is actually a lot.

@iphoneographers 9 ай бұрын

I personally wouldn’t go that extreme, however, when using the native camera app I’ll adjust the exposure compensation to -.03 or -.07 sometimes and that definitely helps. In this scene I had the ISO as low as it would go, and the only way to lower the exposure more in camera was to change the shutter, which I didn’t want to do to match the Blackmagic (they were both on 180° shutter). But yes, I do find the iPhone does tend to slightly overexpose regardless of what codec you’re shooting in.

@puropalmar 9 ай бұрын

Yes I agreed with that

@colinscotland2887 8 ай бұрын

@@iphoneographersBlake I have noticed that the Blackmagic camera app is not as good as the native iPhone camera app in Low Light, do you find this as well, I always record at 60fps and use a iPhone XS.

@ScareTimeStudios 2 ай бұрын

Great comparison video here. Helped me tremendously, looking at the side-by-sides.

@lcprod 9 ай бұрын

Great test

@Bilalizaddin 9 ай бұрын

I think the hotspot of the highlighted area was visible in log file initially,but in BMajic shot there were no visible hotspot of highlight area on the table

@ianharper6015 9 ай бұрын

Thank you for another very informative video. I did wonder if the iPhone footage was just slightly overexposed compared with the other two.

@iphoneographers 9 ай бұрын

Yeah, it was slightly brighter, but it wasn’t actually overexposed according to the histogram. And it was also the lowest I could make it without adjusting the shutter speed.

@Fobes 9 ай бұрын

The thing that gave it away for me was the shape of the lamp shade.

@Jusaleica 5 ай бұрын

In the future,I wish apple release a flanker of the iphone series with like interchangeable body cap lenses and external accessories like a usb viewfinder. That'd be perfect camera system

@patrickshipstad7788 9 ай бұрын

Your DLog lut looks like it does an amazing job as a Rec 709 preview lut when shooting Apple log. Do you know how that same Dlog lut looks when using it with the BlackMagic camera app? Any difference? I still have yet to find a really good, neutral Rec 709 preview lut when shooting Apple log with the BlackMagic app. Thanks!

@pa_maj.MARTINI-van-MAN 9 ай бұрын

Although I checked out the table, I got them correct using your face. Looking at your face I preferred Apple PR Log over BM B-BRAW. You're correct though, without a side by side it would be very difficult to tell indeed. Good Show and Great comparison 👍

@iphoneographers 9 ай бұрын

Very cool. Thanks for watching!

@Sebastian-jr7nl 9 ай бұрын

For me also the table told me, which camera is which 👍🏼

@steveclarke94 9 ай бұрын

I think you should start doing a course on color grading for premier pro. I would definitely pay for that masterclass.

@iphoneographers 9 ай бұрын

I did one using LumaFusion a few years ago, but need to make a new one, so good idea. :) Thanks!

@RIVAS2004 9 ай бұрын

I love this video, all for the fact that even though the iPhone 15 Pro Max is great camera wise. I was debating on either this or buy the BMPCC4K. But man, the table was the last place I would ever try to look. This makes me believe that the iPhone 15 Pro Max could be the modern age answer to Super 8/Super 16 cameras for filmmakers today!

@iphoneographers 9 ай бұрын

Absolutely. It’s really great now and useable in pretty much any scenario. But the pocket 4K is still in my opinion the best bang for the buck cinema camera you can get. Yeah it’s several years old now, but they keep updating the firmware and it’s a very affordable price with amazing image quality.

@streetrider4020 9 ай бұрын

iPhone=synthetic mood. No reality toy

@Mr_Kenneth 8 ай бұрын

DO NOT BUY THE BLACK MAGIC. I've just sold a 6K Pro for an iPhone 15 Pro Max. All day battery, cheaper storage and decent focus. You'll shoot 3-5 times faster plus the screen is almost 2 inches bigger. BTW I shoot social video ads and we're really happy with the iphone

@colinscotland2887 8 ай бұрын

Blake I have noticed that the Blackmagic camera app is not as good as the native iPhone camera app in Low Light, do you find this as well, I always record at 60fps and use a iPhone XS.

@iphoneographers 8 ай бұрын

That’s interesting. Are you shooting in auto with the BMD app? It must be pushing the ISO up as compared to the native camera. Though iPhones didn’t really get very good in low light until the 12 Pro Max sensor.

@laughatfootball 9 ай бұрын

That Samsung TV remote is the best bit of kit in the video. I love it so much I bought 2 spares.

@iphoneographers 9 ай бұрын

😂😂😂 Yep.

@xaxo212 9 ай бұрын

Hello! I have a question regarding tone mapping on iPhone 15 Pro Max. It has been very noticeable since iPhone 6, and I consider switching from my 14 Pro Max to shoot short films without that annoying "feature." Is it really toned down on 15PM? Worth the upgrade from 14PM?

@iphoneographers 9 ай бұрын

It’s now basically gone when using Apple Log on the 15 Pro/Max. Evidently there is technically still some processing going on, but it’s very minimal (I can’t see it) and you no longer see any exposure shifts. So it’s a big upgrade in that respect.

@xaxo212 9 ай бұрын

@@iphoneographers thank you very much! Would you consider making a video about tone mapping comparision between iP15 and prievous iPhone model?

@iphoneographers 9 ай бұрын

Yeah, that could be good, thanks for the suggestion!

@xaxo212 9 ай бұрын

@@iphoneographers That would be great! I read tons of posts from aspiring filmmakers who wanted to use their iPhones for creating short films, but found it impossible due to constant exposure changing, thanks to tone mapping. That kind of video would be brilliant, especially that you are among just a few channels who pointed out this annoying feature.

@curtdp 9 ай бұрын

I see that iPhone footage looks more sharpened... But for a smartphone it's a huge improvement.

@iphoneographers 9 ай бұрын

Yeah, I don’t see the sharpening, evidently the iPhone is not adding it anymore although it’s still doing some dynamic tone mapping very minimally though. Apple keeps a lot of that stuff top-secret for whatever reason.

@linnanjanne 9 ай бұрын

Well, I see it too. It definitely may look okay with a little smartphone screen. But I'm technically speaking a boomer and I watch all the KZfaq videos on a 70" TV. Immediately spotted the difference (over-sharpening), sorry. But the iPhone is quite good though😊@@iphoneographers

@AnindyaMemoryLane 9 ай бұрын

Dear Sir, I've a couple of questions🙋: 4:59 What is the real color of ur Tshirt? While comparing Filmic log & apple log, there also were different colors. How do you set the exposure & WB before shooting log? Because the footage looks so hazy. Kind regards, Anindya🙂.

@iphoneographers 9 ай бұрын

The shirt is a blue/grey color. Use the histogram or even auto settings, then lock the exposure. And/or also import a LUT to preview the final look.

@AnindyaMemoryLane 9 ай бұрын

@@iphoneographers Thank you sir. Sir I've one more curious question🙋: if you don't use Apple log, how much difference in quality will you encounter between iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 pro max while shooting from 1x lens?

@iphoneographers 9 ай бұрын

The quality would be the same assuming you shoot in ProRes. The biggest difference is using Apple Log the sharpening and tone mapping are turned way down (almost off) and then of course you have to color correct the log.

@emanuelmcfail 9 ай бұрын

Just wait til the iPhone gets a full one inch sensor. Lol

@pa_maj.MARTINI-van-MAN 9 ай бұрын

I'd happily purchase an iPhone Pro Max that's twice as thick, just to get that 1" censor.

@UncoverWonders 9 ай бұрын

@@pa_maj.MARTINI-van-MANyeah same. After putting on a case etc iPhones aren’t that thin anyway. Twice as thick is fine.

@pa_maj.MARTINI-van-MAN 9 ай бұрын

@@UncoverWonders You're right, I Just checked my 13 with the case I have on it and it's 17mm wide, more than double the phone alone.

@raymondmenard5444 9 ай бұрын

Thank's for making this comparative video, but i respectfully disagree, i spotted the Apple footage immediately, the mid tones are way too magenta, was easier to spot since i now know of this colour hue shift on the iPhone 15 i admit, but it remains a deal breaker for me, not going to get as a video camera. But hey it's very very personal at this point and to each it's own.

@pa_maj.MARTINI-van-MAN 9 ай бұрын

I can't see that myself Ray, although my monitors colour profile is probably setup way different than yours. I think it really depends on what we're watching it on, who will see what.

@raymondmenard5444 9 ай бұрын

@@pa_maj.MARTINI-van-MAN I can understand that completely sir, i am currently using the 27'' Mac Studio Display, which i find absolutely fantastic and renders (as far as i can tell) the colours quite accurately, but evaluating colours is always subjective that's a given. My point is i'm not inclined to spent so much money on yet another iPhone if right from the get go if to my eyes the colours are off from the get go. In fact looking at the Blackmagic's footage again just reminded me how much i crave this camera or better yet one of the newer models. Thank's for the reply and have a great day.

@iphoneographers 9 ай бұрын

I do find the Apple log to drift towards magenta some, however, with color grading you can remedy that to a large degree. But in the end, the Apple log profile is crazy good and this is also a 1st generation. Thanks for watching!

@raymondmenard5444 9 ай бұрын

@@iphoneographers Yes of course Blake, we spoke about it in one of your other videos, i remain hesitant still, well for the moment at least. I'm curious to see if other users have reported this and if Apple intends to address it in future iterations of the 15. Thank's for the reply.

@pa_maj.MARTINI-van-MAN 9 ай бұрын

@@raymondmenard5444 I'm sure, your monitor for colours over my 43" Panasonic TV being used as a monitor would be more revealing Raymond. I've considered getting a Black Magic camera myself a couple of times tbh and I'm also quite reluctant to invest too quickly on a new iPhone 15 Pro max. I'll continue to watch and learn more before I make a decision. Thank you for commenting about the magenta in the iPhone footage. I think I need to retune my colours on my TV/monitor, I changed settings a while back because I was getting sore eyes.

@user-fp6rf3wg6r 7 ай бұрын

You're not shooting on the same frame rate? Iphone looks like its on higher fps.

@iphoneographers 7 ай бұрын

Everything is shot 24fps at 1/48 shutter.

@user-fp6rf3wg6r 7 ай бұрын

Thank you for your reply maybe Its just me or something else creates this difference in motion do you also see something?@@iphoneographers

@philhunt1442 2 ай бұрын

Well if we are already comparing cameras to an iPhone, its over..

@PhilMcQueenOfficial 9 ай бұрын

Me watching with galaxy s23 ultra 😎

@mohanacharifilms 9 ай бұрын

But Iphone 15 pro max costs more than bmpcc4k. They should bring log to lower iPhone models…

@iphoneographers 9 ай бұрын

Yeah, the bigger storage ones actually do you’re right. 😃 The good news is now you can buy the smaller capacity like even a 128GB and shoot Apple log, but you have to go externally to SSD. Even though I would recommend 256 minimum.

@philhunt1442 2 ай бұрын

A is the iPhone, terrible blowout on the table

@sherbournesubwaymess 8 ай бұрын

This is a pointless comparison and really annoying when reviewers do the 'blind test'. Nobody is going to buy the iPhone 15 Pro Max because of it's video quality: They are buying it for the PORTABILITY/EASE OF USE. The original "Blackmagic Pocket Cinema" COULD fit in your pocket. The 4K one? Good luck finding a pocket big enough to hold that camera. The BMPCC has so many annoying design flaws, you really have to RIG it out to this 'animal in a cage' routine. Good luck putting that in your pocket. People will accept the inferior quality of the iPhone 15 Pro Max. YES, it would be great if Apple simply released a Sony VG style camcorder where you get all day battery life, amazing ergonomics and SDXC card slots. However that's not going to sell more phones.

@iphoneographers 8 ай бұрын

Pointless…. That’s why you spent five paragraphs complaining? 😂 No one buys a phone to use as a camera only. You buy a phone because it’s a… Phone. It just so happens to now shoot great video quality - and that’s the point. You can use the 15 Pro/Max in a variety of professional situations, including as a B camera to higher-end cameras. Or of course, as an A camera on its own for a ton of stuff. And you definitely don’t need a cage for the BMPCC as shown in this video, although you can, and I do sometimes. But it’s not like a RED where you almost have to have a cage. But yeah, it’s definitely not a “pocket camera“. I have the OG pocket and with a small lens that will fit in your cool cargo shorts pockets.

@sherbournesubwaymess 8 ай бұрын

@@iphoneographers I think you meant 'five sentences'. You basically agreed with everything I wrote. So next time: Just post the tests and don't waste our time with the blind stuff. You're being a time vampire.

@zbigniewvolkov7952 8 ай бұрын

@@sherbournesubwaymess Why are you even here then? Talk about being an energy vampire. I enjoyed this video, and it was very helpful to me - and, obviously, many others. 52 comments, and you are the only one being negative, rude and complaining. The problem is with you, not this video. P.S It's hilarious that you also try to correct him by saying "five sentences". No, idiot, you didnt write five sentences, you wrote five paragraphs. Learn the difference. You are making a fool out of yourself.

@Mr_Kenneth 7 ай бұрын

You're talking utter crap. I've used both, and have sold my 6K Pro in favour f the 15 Pro. I'm shooting ads and corporate work and the footage looks dynamite.

@Mr_Kenneth 7 ай бұрын

@@iphoneographers100% correct.