Wow that's brilliant Marc!! I'm glad it helped to sort out the issues you were having!! I have been messaged by quite a few people who were all having the same problem!! Thanks for watching and commenting 👍😄

Well that's great to here!! Thanks for watching and commenting 😀👍

Thank you Jerry👍😄

Lol thanks Cliff and Happy New year👍😄

Well thanks for taking the time to watch it!! It's helped quite a few people to sort their Helie's out!! And that's all I wanted 😄👍

Thank you Don👍😄

Thanks for watching and commenting James, hope it helps 😀👍

Yes Michael, so many people had messaged me about their 330's playing up!! I thought I'd make a video to show how I'd sorted mine out!! Thanks for watching and commenting 👍😄

No problem😄👍

Thank you👍😄

Hi Joseph that's great to here!! I have also realised now that it pays to have a bit of positive expo for the 330s which makes take off even more controllable😄👍

Thanks Bren!! Yes its shocking, I have just been messaged by a guy that was having the exact same issues!! He used my settings and said is Heli is now much more manageable!! So that's made my day!! Thanks for watching and commenting 👍😄

@@IansRCExploits great news Ian, your videos don't only inspire but help this great community 👌👍

Thank you👍😄

Hia Greg, I've been getting messages like yours for a few years now!! The 330s can be perfect or bad, my one was very bad. When I bought my 330 I had been building and flying Helie's for a few years!! I wanted to use the 330s with SAFE, to teach myself how to turn both left and right, so when I started flying the 330s I noticed that on take off the Heli would start leaning around, also then in normal mode or SAFE my one would drift drastically to the left!! So I looked into these issues and was told not to take off in Normal mode but to take off in idle up one which would allow the Flight controler to set!! The very first time I did this, the Heli took off perfectly but as soon as I switched to Normal mode it drifted away so badly that it crashed, so to cut a long story short!! It was sent back to Horizon who rebuilt it after checking it for faults, and said it was pilot error!! It wasn't it was that factory set attitude pitch of -250 and +250 once I altered this making sure the swashplate stays level when you switch from idle up one to normal mode the Heli flies so much better 😀👍

Got it sorted out. Changed the Attitude Trim settings with no improvement. Compared the angle of the servo arm on the side servo on both helis. The one that was acting up actually was adding down. Moved the arm back one spline tooth. Better, but still had the same issue. Changed Attitude trim to 0 and 0 and it flies perfectly. Thanks for your help!

Well Greg, I'm glad you got your 330s sorted out 😀👍

Lol thanks Paul, it's definitely those attitude settings that are the problem!! But it is a nice flying Heli once sorted, I just hope it stays that way👍😄🚁

Hello Martin!! Yes it seems to work!! The attitude settings from the factory are crazy, just be careful if you take off in SAFE mode incase the Heli goes straight into a drift!! It should be ok but be ready to switch out of SAFE mode!! You are about the fourth person to do this and they've all said that their Helicopters flew much better!! Thanks for watching and commenting 👍😄

@@IansRCExploits Was all good in safe mode. Thanks a lot!

Well that's good news👍😄🚁

Yep the 360 with the FC6250HX Gyro seems to be getting popular with issues on the forums!! So I've been informed!! I have got my 330s flying ok but Horizon have neglected to sort out the issues with this Gyro!! Thanks for watching and commenting 😄👍

I've been flying Helie's for a few years now!! But I still have issues turning one way!! I've practiced and practiced but just can't seem to nail it, that's what I use stability for!! To stop me from crashing Lol thanks for watching and commenting 👍😄

Thanks for watching and commenting 😀👍

Yes!! But I think it's sorted out now Martin!! Thanks for watching and commenting 👍😄

Yes my 330s was drifting really bad to the left and forward and on take off it was leaning around almost toppling over!! Be cautious with the Gyro!! A lot of them are faulty!! If your Heli is drifting bad in normal mode I would advise you to speak to Horizon Hobby and get the Gyro checked and changed under warranty!! A lot of people have had to do this!! If you have no joy with Horizon Hobby then I would make the changes to the Attitude trim settings, but the 0 0 settings that I went with was what it took to make my Heli fly correctly!! Yours might be different!! Is your Heli performing badly?

I just messed with it some more and at full collective it is still doing strange things. I don't trust this heli to fly it. I dont know if its gonna come straight at my face or what.

Hello David, a subscriber last week was having the same issues with his brand new 330s!! He spoke to Horizon Hobby who told him he needed to update his Gyro with the latest firmware!! He did this but his Heli still had a really bad right drift and unfortunately yesterday he crashed it!! My advice to you is get back in touch with Horizon Hobby and tell them about your issues!! And tell them you want it sorted, it's strange some Helie's like mine seem to be ok after the mod but others never fly correctly!! Horizon Hobby do fit new Gyro's for some people, but one guy I've spoke to said they have had is Heli for nearly a year😖

@@IansRCExploits im waiting to hear back from Horizon now. If I cant get it right im either gonna sell it or put a diff flight controller in it.

@@IansRCExploits my next step was to update the firmware to see if that does it. Lots of people having issues with SAFE on this FBL. Im getting away from using safe but I still want it to function properly as a bailout.

Someone I've been speaking to on here is having his sent back and possibly replaced by Horizon Hobby 😄👍

To be honest I didn't have any issues when I bought the FC6250HX for two of my Trex Helies only on the one that came on the 330s!! If you are going to adjust the Attitude control settings on your Gyro you will need a little bit of left on the swash plate to allow for the tourqe of the main blades, Be careful because in my experience if you have the swash plate perfectly level the heli will lean to the right on take off and spool down 😀👍

Yep it is nice!! But it's not without it's issues, I have been messaged by about 5 people who have all had the same issues, I do think it's quite expensive but once sorted it flies very nice!! Thanks for watching and commenting 👍😄

Well I fitted the FC6250HX to two of my Trex Helie's and it has worked perfectly with no issues at all, when you buy it as open stock it has no attitude trim settings like the 330s has!! My 330s flies OK now after adjusting these settings!! I have been messaged by lots of people who all have had the same problems with tilt on take off and severe drifting once flying!! Not good really 😀👍

I have no idea if the 230s smart has the same attitude control settings Josh!! Was your 230s a ready to fly? If your changing to one of the latest Spektrum radios it should have forward programming, but I would have no idea what the attitude trim settings would be!! My advice would be to have a look on the Heli forums and see if anyone else has had the same issue, hope you get it sorted 😀👍

Thank you David 😄👍

I don't think so Mike!! You need forward programming!! Maybe as the same question on the forums 😄👍

Hi Joseph, when I learnt to fly a Heli, they only had tail Gyros, so crashing was something you did sadly!! My advice to you is set up your flight mode 1 but dumb the cyclic controls down in your dual rates, so when you swith into fm1 the Heli will be a bit easier to control, the secret then is when you get into difficulty you can either switch quickly back to normal mode!! So the Heli stabilises itself, I think you can also set a panic button that when pressed will instantly get you out of trouble, people refer to this as the " O shit button " Lol most of my new Helies now have the Microbeast plus Gyros on them and they seem to be much more stable when you fly than the spektrum!! I think the biggest issue when you get out of normal mode is over correction!! So you panic and your inputs to the cyclic controls are to hard and to big so lowering the rates can help to reduce this!! But of course to do stunts you will have to progress back up to high rates, I have no Interest in flying 3D and to be honest I'm just not a good enough Heli pilot to even consider it, just learning to fly Helies around like I do was a long and expensive learning curve!! I did post a real flight simulator video a few years back about how I taught myself to fly a Heli, take a look you might find some useful tips 😀👍

Thank You, Ian. I really do appreciate your comments / advice.

Yes and your not on your own!! I've been messaged by quite a few people all having the same issue!! That's why I decided to make this video!! When the Heli is on the level the swash plate moves a lot but if your on uneven ground that movement is amplified!! It took quite a bit of messing around but my Heli is now flying much better👍😄

Yes you need to do the update!! But the Bluetooth device is rubbish!! Very problematic!! Don't waste your money get the USB cable it works much better, you can't adjust as much on the 230s V2 but it works better than the 330s anyway!! My 230s flew great out of the box but I did do a trim flight which made it much more stable in the hover 👍😄

@@IansRCExploits Thanks for the fast reply and good tips, much appreciated. Happy New Year.

Happy New Year👍😄

Yes I've learnt the hard way too!! Cutting through my clothes and my arm Lol thanks for watching and commenting 👍😄

Yes the Fc6250hx does seem to have an issue in safe!! What I did was disconnect my motor activate SAFE On the factory attitude settings and then toggle from safe to flight mode 1 to adjust the swashplate and make sure it was staying as level as possible in Safe!! Most people see the swash on the factory settings tilt forwards and to the right!! Which seems to cause all sorts of problems, my 330s us flying well now in SAFE and doesn't drift much at all, I bought the Fc6250hx flybarless controler for a Trex 470lp but couldn't even get it to set up correctly!! I noticed with that one that the factory settings are now for Attitude pitch +250 and Roll -0 so I don't know how that would perform once SAFE was activated, anyway I ditched it and bought a Microbeast plus!! Thanks for watching and commenting 👍😄

@@IansRCExploits I dont understand why the fc6250hx comes setup like that from the factory with roll and pitch so way off. They made some tutorials on KZfaq on setting up one of these but they didn't really go in depth on setting up safe properly, and thats the biggest reason most people will buy this is for safe. Smh. My helis fly great with these except for some strange tic toc wobbling that I can seem to tune out. Anyway I'm probably gonna end up buying 2 Vbar Neos this year to replace these. 🙂

Well I'm not a 3D pilot!! To old, just pottering around is what I like Lol oh and of course I do enjoy building them as well👍😄🚁

@@IansRCExploits i hear ya man. I'm 50 now, my eyes are starting to get not so great myself. Lol

Yes if your having drift issues you can use the method I show to level your swashplate in Normal mode!! If your 330s isn't drifting then I wouldn't adjust, some Helie's drift and so.e just lean around on take off 😀👍

@@IansRCExploits I‘m back home from testing.. 1 Minute of Perfect flying in safe and then the drift starts again. I also programmed the radio manually to the heli, set the fbl to factory reset , level the swashplate and calibrate the sensor.. no success 🥺 the helicopter flies great without safe! But My dad wants to fly it with a scale fuselage and safe would be the only option for him.. I will call my local hobbystore and bring it Back 😔

Try updating to the latest firmware👍

@@IansRCExploits already done.. I also thought about downgrading to open stock beta.. you said with the flight Controller in other helicopter it works great?

Yes it does I think that would be good to try

Thank you👍😄

@@IansRCExploits That’s what I am doing and the first swashplate dance happens but after I tried to do the hover and then landed and hold the panic button again after two seconds it just starts making a weird tone and flashing a red light on the receiver.

@@IansRCExploits I’m looking at as much as I can.

@@IansRCExploits most everything I have seen is talking about setting the pitch and roll in the Smart settings to zero but I have the ready to fly version so I can’t change any of that on mine without spending another $250-$350 to buy one of those smart controllers that is capable of forward programming.

@@IansRCExploits I actually saw that video yesterday afternoon. Horizon said it needs to run a calibration but I can’t get it into calibration mode either. The tech guy for heli’s is supposed to call me this afternoon to help me out. We shall see the outcome.

@@IansRCExploits nope. I have called every day for the past three days and they said they put A message in for a heli expert to call me back and still no call. I think something may be wrong with the flight controller because it’s also acting funny when I get it into servo adjustment mode. It’s like sometimes it will recognize the input to go to the next servo and sometimes it will not. Also still can’t get it into calibration mode maybe I will get someone from Horizon call me back soon.

I've been messaged by so many people that have all had the same issues!! And it nearly always ends up in a crash!! I learnt to fly a Heli without a SAFE mode but I won't lie it wasn't easy!! And I practiced for weeks on a simulator before flying for real, the problem with the 330s is that in flight modes 1 and 2 it is set up quite aggressively for 3D flying!! Not very good for a beginner!! The Helie's that I learnt to fly with were kits that I built so they were set up a lot more docile to make it easier for those first hovers!! Flying Helie's is a very steep learning curve!! And setting one up is a lot of work, I would advise you to try and get the SAFE mode working on your 330s as it will cut down on the amount of crashes you will have and save you a lot of money😄👍

@@IansRCExploits so I would need a controller with the digital display and what do I need to update the firmware?

You don't have to update the firmware!! You just need a Gen2 or later Spektrum transmitter to be able to access the forward programming like I show in the video!! Is yours a RTF then?

@@IansRCExploits that it is! First one. Am good with hand eye coordination so thought I could pick it up quick. But when the helicopter starts to run away from you it’s kind of hard. My first day yesterday I didn’t crash! Almost lost her twice though lol. Do you have any ideas on how to keep the battery from moving up and burning against the motor? I was thinking a 3m Velcro stick on the battery tray and back of batteries to keep from sliding up.

Yes I always put Velcro on the tray and Lipo😄👍

Blade Helie's are made by E-flite who come under Horizon Hobby Wes!! They are way to expensive I agree with you 😄👍

Wolfgang it is very easy to tame the 150s in flight mode 1 and 2 just copy the throttle and pitch curves from normal mode!! So flight mode 1 will be the same as normal mode but without the stability!! Yes I contacted Horizon Hobby and the Heli was sent back to a company to have the Gyro assessed!! They said the Gyro was ok and then charged me for the parts to rebuild the Heli Lol somebody else messaged me who was having the same issues with his 330s changed the attitude settings and he said it transformed his Heli, there is a real issue with this Heli as I have been messaged by a lot of people all experiencing the same drift issues that normally results in a crash!! The problem with all these Blade Helie's is that apart from normal mode they are set up for 3D the easiest way to tame the 150s down in Fm1 or Fm2 is to change the throttle curve so instead of having 70 70 70 70 70 you could change to 0 65 65 65 65 what this would do is lower the head speed you could also change the pitch curves from 0 25 50 75 100 to 25 37 50 75 90 by doing this you won't be getting the fierce 3D pitch of the rotor blades so Heli should be a bit easier to handle, a 3D capable Heli would have a blade pitch of -12 to +12 so by raising the first number and lowering the last number of the pitch curve you would reduce the blade pitch to about -10 to +10 this is exactly what I have done to my 230s V2 and 330s as I never intend to fly 3D, I hope this helps Wolfgang and thank you for your positive comments and for watching 👍😄

Oh and of course Wolfgang I should have mentioned dual rates and Expo!! You can change these to so you could have low 50% medium 70% and high 80% so by staying low you will reduce the throw of your cyclic servos which would also help to tame the Heli down!! I always set a bit of + expo as well about 20% just to soften the input of the cyclic controls around centre stick!! I apologise if I am telling you what you already know but I know all these settings never really get explained, when I first started flying Helicopters I watched this video and did what the guy said and it completely transformed my Heli and how I was able to fly!! I had been struggling as a new pilot with all the settings but after doing what thus guy said, it was like someone had waved a magic wand👍😄 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nK50pMSar8u9eYU.html

Thanks Ian. I flew RC planes and Helis in the 80’s, at which point family and career took priority. I owned 2 nitro helis at the time; a Hirobo Shuttle, and a Kalt Baron. Both were OS28 powered. Crashes used to cost me an arm and a leg LOL. These new Blade Helis, are far less expensive to run. I got back into the hobby just last June (2020). It turned out to be an excellent COVID isolation activity. With all the new rules I opted for the sub 250gram sized birds for now, and fly at local parks. Thanks for all your input. I’ve done many of these things already and am flying fairly confidentially now. I was just starting to do loops, flips and rolls, when our Canadian winter, grounded me. I’ll be back at it in the April/May timeframe. In the meantime it’s research and Heli maintenance.time. Do you know if anyone has ever published a manual that would give detailed explanations of what exactly all the program settings do to a helicopter. I’m specifically interested in the S series Blade helis. I’m a very technical guy, worked in electrical/electronics and IT my whole career, and like to know the effect every setting has. Thanks again, keep up the good work, for us old guys.

Aww sorry Wolfgang, sometimes when answering comments it's difficult to work out someone's experience levels I didn't mean to teach you how to suck eggs as they say😖 I don't really know of any books on the Blade Helie's but I do watch Freddy can Fly on KZfaq!! He seems to make a lot of sense to me, what sort of things are you trying to find out? Now I know you have had a lot of experience I'll be asking you questions 👍😂🤣

@@IansRCExploits No worries, Ian. More information is always better. Here's the list of settings, on my 150S, I'm trying to get more information and better understanding of: Forward Programming - Swashplate - Agility. Factory set to 100. Forward Programming - Setup - Swashplate - Sub Trim. Channel 1 set to -77; Channel 2 set to 65; Channel 3 set to 330. I think I understand the purpose of this but what are the units of the values? Degrees of servo throw perhaps? Forward Programming - Setup - Swashplate - E-Ring. Factory set to 100. Forward Programming - Setup - Swashplate - Phasing. Factory set to 0. If you've played around with and tested any of these settings Ian, I'd be very interested in your findings. I suppose I could make adjustments and observe the results, on my 150S, but I suspect that some of the settings may not be immediately obvious. I found downloading and reading manuals of other S series Blade Helis is sometimes helpful. There are differences in the manuals. One of the best KZfaq resources I've found to date is a fellow that runs a channel called CoeShow619. He reviews numerous Blade Helis in detail and is an outstanding pilot. Another quick question: after you got your 330S flying properly, how does it compare to the 150S or 230S? My only recent experience is with an Eachine E119 (fixed pitch) and my 150S. I find when flying on my Simulator (RealFlight9.5), the larger Helis seem to be easier to fly. Thanks again; I sincerely appreciate all your feedback.

Is your 360 fusion drifting and leaning on take off in normal mode👍

What I've discovered with my FC6250HX Gyro is if I take the Expo off my cyclic controls it really starts to play up!! And they both share the same Gyro👍

@@IansRCExploits TY