THIS is what every pilot needs...Juan Brown popping up in the middle of your PFD to walk you though what's happening and how to correct it before things go south! He could license the software under the title "What Would Juan Do"?
@blancolirio3 жыл бұрын
LOL...only with the 2020 Hindsight version 2.0...lol
@baomao72433 жыл бұрын
New product idea for the channel : WWJD bracelet (revised) “WWJD ? (“What Would Juan Do ?”)
@wojciechgrodnicki63023 жыл бұрын
Ask Juan Brown feature just like Madden NFL play calling.
@johndemerse91723 жыл бұрын
@@blancolirio LOL Good one Juan.
@mangos28883 жыл бұрын
Hell most professions need this level of debrief and adapting
@jonesjones70573 жыл бұрын
That PM did something almost unheard of in the real world, even the sim. He called out, "stall, stall, stall, stall" immediately, without the standard, "what the?, oh shi#, stall, stall, stall, stall."
@uzlonewolf3 жыл бұрын
With the caution a few seconds beforehand he probably had one eye on it and already knew what was happening.
@77thTrombone3 жыл бұрын
Procedure drift. Must be corrected.
@caribbeanaviator19643 жыл бұрын
I have to give a shout out to ATC, as dramatic as that came over the frequency, the controller recognized that they had their hands full with over 600,000 pounds of angry metal and gave them space for them to work, didn't overload them at all. NY Tracon baby!
@VASAviation3 жыл бұрын
Good as always, Juan!! Just a remark, the speed indicated on the radar is GROUNDSPEED. I believe it's important to note that since we can see that number go well above 250 knots during the stall recovery and just before asking for the high speed climb (300KT groundspeed at 5000') but does not mean they "violated" the 250KIAS retriction below 10000' although they could have in an emergency situation. Groundspeed depends on wind and TAS and TAS depends on compressibility and density so it's OK to have a TAS/GS of 270-300 at 5000' and still comply with the restriction.
@Snailmale73 жыл бұрын
Facts. Ground speed read out.
@blancolirio3 жыл бұрын
Yep, I mis-spoke.
@blackhawks81H3 жыл бұрын
I've done negative groundspeed a number of times in an Islander. Good times.
@UncleKennysPlace3 жыл бұрын
Yep. I think that the FAA put out a notice that said that ATC cannot give you permission to exceed the 250 KIAS limit. I stay well below the limit in my Skyhawk.
@Snailmale73 жыл бұрын
@@UncleKennysPlace LOL - very wise on your part. However if you did Exceed 250 in a SkyHawk , the FAA may just give you an award .... but only after you turn in that report within 24 hours , explaining how you did it and why ...
@4stringmanagmaildcom3 жыл бұрын
When the 777 was designed engineers wanted it to be, as all Boeing planes were to that point, "pilots airplanes". This was in spite of the fly by wire system that was new to Boeing commercial jets on this model. They wanted the pilots to feel control forces to know when they are getting close to the edge of the controlled flight envelope. As Juan points out this does not happen on Airbus planes. For instance on the "Miracle on the Hudson", Capt Sully has said he would have liked to pull the nose higher before his water landing to have the speed as low as absolutely possible, but the plane would not let him. On a Boeing he could have, the control forces would be high, but the philosophy is the pilot is in command and sometimes extraordinary circumstances call for unanticipated control inputs. It would be interesting to hear Juan talk about which he prefers because I believe he has flown both manufacturers on the line.
@Garth20113 жыл бұрын
Exactly. None of the software engineers will ever be on a flight that needs control flexibility during an emergency such as noted with Sully. I'm no seasoned pilot but I can associate with that in the automotive industry and those vehicles that have the "Auto Start Stop" feature which turns off the engine with software based electronics. Of all vehicles to install that feature, FMC put it in those Jeep Wranglers. Of all vehicles a Jeep, one that will not truly follow any imagined travel plan these EPA "experts" force auto engineers to try to save a drop of fuel on a utilitarian vehicle. Off the road, this idea would be complete stupidity as the engine is used 100% of the time for control needs and then some. Lucky there is an "Off" switch for those who know where it is or even know about it. I'm with Boeing's idea, I want some feedback and control, especially when the computer is not going to tell me what it has planned in these kinds of instances !
@qwerty21ification3 жыл бұрын
@@Garth2011 At the same time, whilst exceptional circumstances can call for inputs that would put the aeroplane into a normally dangerous situation (and potentially save lives), you need also to consider the case where letting the pilot perform these manoeuvres can cause damage/death. I doubt it would've come even close to happening, but suppose this flight had entered a catastrophic stall and crashed in a residential area. An airbus plane in the same situation simply would not have let the plane get into that situation. And whilst that does seem a stupid what-if scenario to entertain, consider that MCAS was added in order to mimic earlier variants of the 787's stick forces, a feature no airbus aircraft needs to consider. I think it's more complicated than just software engineers not understanding that pilots might need flexibility, and instead weighing the chance of that flexibility saving lives against the chance that same flexibility allowing a crash that could've been prevented.
@sapede3 жыл бұрын
Maybe the outcome of the Hudson waterlanding would be different without that protection. More tail into the water, stalling over water instead of landing? Mind there was some damage on the back of the plane. A 737 could have broken its tail frame with its consequences.
@gregculverwell3 жыл бұрын
Given that Sully had never trained for this, its just as likely that he would have stalled it and had a much worse outcome.
@Garth20113 жыл бұрын
Good pilots know how
@brianlopez88553 жыл бұрын
This is THE guy I want flying every plane I travel on in the future.
@jiveturkey99933 жыл бұрын
Probably nine out of 10 of the pilots that have flown for you are equally as good as this guy.
@JeffreyBue_imtxsmoke3 жыл бұрын
I always say the same thing
@Kimberly_Sparkles3 жыл бұрын
@@jiveturkey9993 I hope so. If you're carrying humans, I want someone who seems this conscientious and knowledgeable. I grew up near an airport with a catastrophic crash. I've never forgotten how long the marks from it remained on the roads and bridges affected. It's not on my list of ways I want to go out.
@Kevin_7473 жыл бұрын
If you're counting on Juan to fly you from now on then you will be disappointed if he's not available. Maybe one of the inferior pilots in the fleet can get you there safely.
@christainmarks1063 жыл бұрын
Yeah Juan Browne is the Man definitely
@BruiserFL3 жыл бұрын
Whether it was an impending or actual stall, KUDOS to the pilot-monitoring to recognize and announce "STALL, STALL, STALL, STALL".
@36thstreethero3 жыл бұрын
It seems like an incredibly stupid position to put yourself in-but pilots make mistakes and a good PM is always watching, always participating, always communicating. Who knows what tragedy was prevented because of that PM. Demote the PF, promote the PM.
3 жыл бұрын
I mean, he did a good job. Otoh it IS his job.
@steveperreira58503 жыл бұрын
The copilot was alert, I’m not sure pilot wise, but as soon as he got the warning from the copilot, it appears that appropriate action was taken to get the nose down.
@raymondgriffiths87023 жыл бұрын
@@36thstreethero à
@PRH1233 жыл бұрын
We’re listening to the ATC tapes though, not the CVR... if they are in a stall situation requiring immediate correction, I wonder why they are taking precious time to tell ATC about it...? is that standard procedure..?
@5761033 жыл бұрын
While the obvious conclusion to the uninitiated would be that this was caused by pilot error, it easily could be caused by improper cargo weight. I’m a lifelong ‘freight dog’ in the Air Force, and on very rare occasions I have seen where the cargo arrived at the airplane with improper documentation, and individual cargo weights were just flat-out wrong. It can be next to impossible to figure that out unless the loadmasters have tons of experience and a good BS detector. That hasn’t happened to me since, um...about ten hours ago. We left one pallet behind because on my flight today because it was all screwed up and they didn’t want to take the time to take it away and rebuild and reweigh it and bring it back. They just took it away and will sort it out and put it on another plane. In this case, if the total cargo weight was 20k pounds heavier than advertised, all the speed calculations go right out the window. The crew would be fooled into retracting the flaps prematurely which could then lead to just this sort of incident. When the C-5 galaxy is really heavy, min flap retract speed can be as high as 209 knots, and max flap speed is 215. So we have to accelerate to somewhere between 209-215 knots and hold it just so, as the flaps are retracted. When the flaps are retracted drag is reduced and at a given pitch and power setting, the plane will want to accelerate, possibly overspeeding the flaps while they are in transit. So we have to accelerate to above 209, raise the nose slightly to keep it from going much further (but not so much that it slows below 209), then as the flaps come up, we have to carefully continue to raise the nose further to keep it in the 209-215 window. It’s difficult and a bit stressful. It’s always a relief when they fully come up, because then we can lower then use and accelerate to 250 and climb out normally.
@trevorgwelch74123 жыл бұрын
That was very well explained to someone like me who had only been mainly in simulators ( 737's ) and flying small airplanes .
@smportis3 жыл бұрын
And to me, a complete novice - but I understand how difficult and precise this is. It's a wonder cargo flights don't have more "incidents".
@7cle3 жыл бұрын
This cocaine cargo and later CIA special ops pilot mentions overweight flying in rather hot weather and short dirt tracks as runways. A good story over on mikes Mc Brian channel in the spring 2020.
@7cle3 жыл бұрын
@Jo Mamma ok whatever name you give to a pilot hired by the CIA for a job. Have you watched the interview of Boulanger ? Do you say it’s not the right term or do you say the CIA never hired extra pilots whatever the name ? That the CIA did barely legal special operations isn’t really questionable is it ? What is your point ?
@57Raz3 жыл бұрын
@Jo Mamma They can call themselves whatever they want 'cause they don't officially exist...
@geofiggy3 жыл бұрын
JB, I sent my buddy the link for this Episode. He's a Cap on a major Canadian Airline. See his reply to me, besides letting me know it's a great Episode. "The 787 is very similar to the 777. Doing an ultra long range flight to Delhi, we would see those exact speeds in the climb and you didn’t want to go through any turbulence when that slow and that heavy or you could end up in the hook." Take care and fly safe. 🤟🏽🖖🏽
@dewiz95963 жыл бұрын
From the sounds of the pilot flying to ATC, I’d say crew fatigue was the single largest factor. Happily, the event started at 4000 ft, not 400.
@hotrodray68023 жыл бұрын
Being tired before a 12 hr flight is ....... 🙄🙄
@noah91303 жыл бұрын
@@hotrodray6802 14 and a half hr to be precise 😁😭
@MarieInnes3 жыл бұрын
I said it on the VAS video and I’ll say it here too, I feel that each of you have the two greatest aviation channels on YT. Thank you both so very much.
@TheTransporter007 Жыл бұрын
When VAS started out, he literally did not credit ANYONE, EVER. Not LiveATC, not AVHerald (he still doesn't credit them). Nobody. He's an ambulance chaser with no moral compass. Juan is 10000x better. They aren't even in the same universe.
@anthonycbrown19523 жыл бұрын
A proud member of the 'Juan Browne School of Aviation' How much different could our education system be if it was transformed with a combination of book and theory knowledge combined with access to actual subject matter experts (looking at you Juan) to explain concepts in plain-spoken language and field questions? Our youth deserve better than what's on offer today and in the age of the Internet, multi-faceted should be the norm not the exception. Our young need to see the connection of book study to professionals who actual apply the knowledge daily. The absence of routine education on things that matter (budgeting, consumer rights, aviation, day-to-day health) has been taken over by corporations looking to sell things and get children on the 'debt train'.
@bruceraggett45063 жыл бұрын
Well said. Thank you.
@Doxymeister3 жыл бұрын
100% agreed. That's why I try to find good educational videos and materials, and tag my son and his wife when I share them. I graduated back when schools still required at least one language other than English, if you intended to enroll in college, back when you learned a variety of real-life skills that would be needed in adulthood. My grandchildren are now enrolled part-time in private school, and they homeschool them for the remainder of each day. P.S. We are expecting our fourth grandchild in January--I'm so excited I can hardly stand it, LOL.
@MaShcode3 жыл бұрын
The poet W.H. Auden often referred to this as a Bardic education. Music appreciation has been proven to rewire the brain to both increase capacity and the ability to solve complex problems.
@souocara38able3 жыл бұрын
You know how there have been a few non-pilots who had to take over when their pilot was incapacitated? I've always thought if I were in that situation I would tell the controller that I'm not really a pilot but I have been studying with Juan, mentor and Mover LOL
@fedorsd3 жыл бұрын
That's the first time I've seen someone narrate inside a PFD. Awesome effect!
@Ozgrade33 жыл бұрын
You never stop learning. I've been teaching Human Factors for 17 years and I've just learned a new way of explaining, or visualising the reason model.
@SuperDave_BR5493 жыл бұрын
i was waiting on this one too. especially after the tease on VASAviation's channel. thank you Juan.
@nancychace86193 жыл бұрын
Interesting about the "chain of events". One of the first things you learn in medicine is about the "chain of infection." There are points where an infection can be short stopped and cut off from continuing on its wayward path. If those opportunities are missed (example: wearing a mask, or not) the infection can continue and get worse. We are learning that lesson now in today's world. This currently is not mentioned in public awareness campaigns, but might be a good idea to include, as it's a useful teaching concept.
@optimisticfuture68083 жыл бұрын
Nancy Chace nice try. You are not in medicine as obvious from your comments.
@zorbalight39333 жыл бұрын
@@optimisticfuture6808 not nice a try - even untrained individuals can look up medical research papers on the chain of infection - try it.
@nancychace86193 жыл бұрын
@@optimisticfuture6808 Consult any EMT text.
@tom31ditz3 жыл бұрын
@Guy Incognito Oh boy, a brave man.Who remains incognito. I can only fantasize the pleasure of having him under my care.
@optimisticfuture68083 жыл бұрын
No, I am well aware of the chain. Medicine requires tested and proven transfer and chain is at a bio level and a mask is not applicable.
@murrayfromaz3 жыл бұрын
I have been positive for covid for 12 days and all I can do is watch my favorite people to watch. The crud has moved into my lungs and pneumonia is trying to get a foothold, and yes it hurts to breath deep / cough hope it goes away soon. Carry-on Juan you the man!
@dawnk52083 жыл бұрын
Get on Mucinex right away!! I’ve had pneumonia five times and ever since I started using Mucinex as soon as I felt symptoms I no longer get it.
@fangzahn3 жыл бұрын
I hope you get better soon!
@moemanncann8953 жыл бұрын
Wishing you a return to good health Murray 👍🇨🇦
@cspruitt31903 жыл бұрын
@@dawnk5208 and drink constantly!
@kathleenmartin80363 жыл бұрын
Make sure you are taking extra Vitamin D, to improve your immune system and lower your blood pressure. Vitamin D impacts the Renin Angiotensin Aldosterone System aka RAAS of the human body, which can increase or decrease a person’s blood pressure. The RAAS system alters blood pressure aka BP, in the lungs, heart, glomerulus in the kidneys, as well as arteries and veins in the human body. If your Vitamin D is low or very low, your BP can/will probably increase. Most BP prescription medications, alter a person’s blood pressure by altering or changing aspects, of the RAAS. If your Vitamin D is low or very low, your immune system can not function properly. Plus, your body is deficient in important functions, to control the many variables that impact BP, as well as many other factors. FYI: once you a diagnosed w/pneumonia, you will easily become sick with pneumonia again, w/in one year of your first diagnosis of pneumonia. If you get diagnosed & sick w/pneumonia 9 months after your first diagnosis, your year of being suspect to get sick again w/pneumonia would change to 1 year from the 2nd diagnosis of pneumonia. The year will change w/the new diagnosis of pneumonia.
@Sailor376also3 жыл бұрын
It gave me a very great understanding. First, thank you. Coming out of Brussels 35 years ago, ski trip,, Belgium Airlines,, all equipment snowed in on the east coast of the US,, They pulled out a converted freighter, the belly already loaded for Montreal, heavy machinery. I watched them load it. Then up top to get everyone on their way, they pulled every seat out of storage and bolted them to the aluminum deck. Every seat was a different colour, every seat had a defect, cigarette burn, recline mechanism was non functional, and they loaded all passengers for JFK, Montreal, and Atlanta on to the same flight. Over loaded, load center too far aft, 12,000 (?) foot runway, they used every inch and i felt the wheels touch the berm after airborne. The operation speed window must have been astronomical. . The approach into Mirabel 6 hours later was a masterful downwind, base leg, final that covered upstate New York,Vermont and 50 miles north of Montreal. We came in hot. Good pilot,, he was not going to slow down until on the deck.
@Kevin_7473 жыл бұрын
Many controllers know these long legs for heavies will need a high speed climb and sometimes offer it. I never flew the 777 but flew 747's 23 years. Most all eastbound legs to europe and beyond need a high speed climb. Glad these pilots recovered, I'm sure thwey have dirty fruit of the looms.
@cardboardboxification3 жыл бұрын
Are you talking about hookers or planes ??
@Kevin_7473 жыл бұрын
@@cardboardboxification I wasn't talking about your mom this time.
@rayanaltowayan95583 жыл бұрын
@@Kevin_747 you killed him man 😂😂😂☠️☠️☠️
@fevengr92453 жыл бұрын
At 12:24 the ADI is showing a good attitude AND a nice smile!
@KellySmith41453 жыл бұрын
I have to say the same thing everyone else has already said... "Juan is THE man" when it comes to anything aviation related
@tsclly23773 жыл бұрын
Southern Air... saw one of their C-130's years ago and they only used the N number even though the tower addressed then as 'Southern Air'.. anyway they are well known for their 'silence is golden' mode of operation.
@df4463 жыл бұрын
Departure controller did a good job of leaving the air crew alone during this de facto emergency. Some I've heard would have peppered them with questions.
@captaingyro39123 жыл бұрын
Amen. This is more important than most people realize.
@shaark923 жыл бұрын
Bigfoot pilot DID SAY "standby" ... but you're right, ATC took the hint, methinks.
@KB4QAA3 жыл бұрын
DF: We see too many examples these days of controllers interrupting pilots in emergencies with unnecessary questions!!! The only thing a controller needs to know is nature of emergency, SOB, Fuel Remaining in Hours and Pilots' Intentions. After that he should shut up and wait for the pilots to advise of further needs.
@robertbutler94653 жыл бұрын
Thanks Juan. Non pilot here but aviation enthusiast. Very good description of the stall incident that was very clear and concise. I had watched that particular incident at VAS and had seen your comment there. Thanks for your commitment to elaborating and educating all of us, pilots and non-pilots, on GA and Commercial issues and incidents 👍
@reusin693 жыл бұрын
Ah I knew you'd cover this! You're the perfect person to address this incident!
@mskimberly77773 жыл бұрын
I would trust Juan to be my pilot any day. He's the best.
@xx15903 жыл бұрын
What he excels at is reporting the news in a clear detailed way that is so far beyond our current media.
@roquri3 жыл бұрын
And he can cook!
@kyleglenn24343 жыл бұрын
He is good. But the hawk is everywhere.
@GlennHamblin3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Juan.
@blackhawks81H3 жыл бұрын
He's Juan of the best for sure!
@-DC-3 жыл бұрын
Was waiting for your comments on this awesome channel Juan 👍
@inspiredartphotos3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! Maybe I missed something. When we were a heavy weight operation we did not ask ATC for high speed climb. We advised them that our minimum climb speed would be 261 knots for example. This was based on sub part D of the FAR. “(a) Unless otherwise authorized by the Administrator, no person may operate an aircraft below 10,000 feet MSL at an indicated airspeed of more than 250 knots (288 m.p.h.). (b) Unless otherwise authorized or required by ATC, no person may operate an aircraft at or below 2,500 feet above the surface within 4 nautical miles of the primary airport of a Class C or Class D airspace area at an indicated airspeed of more than 200 knots (230 mph.). This paragraph (b) does not apply to any operations within a Class B airspace area. Such operations shall comply with paragraph (a) of this section. (c) No person may operate an aircraft in the airspace underlying a Class B airspace area designated for an airport or in a VFR corridor designated through such a Class B airspace area, at an indicated airspeed of more than 200 knots (230 mph). (d) If the minimum safe airspeed for any particular operation is greater than the maximum speed prescribed in this section, the aircraft may be operated at that minimum speed.” There were certain departures that required leaving the slats extended to comply with a turn radius requirement. Typically a note that said max speed for departure is 200 knots or all turns must be completed within a specified nautical mile radius. These usually involved Special Operations Airports but not always. Excellent video. I miss flying but being retired has it’s perks. Excellent description of ASAP and FOQUA... I worked for the same airline you do. I hope I spelled FOQUA correctly... In training we would always be briefed on the “trends” from the gate keepers. Once again another outstanding video!👍🏻
@tenpiloto3 жыл бұрын
Well done. Kennedy does expect heavy freighters to need high-speed climbs but pilots need to confirm it with them. I don't think I ever left JFK with a CMS below 270kts.
@bigjeff12913 жыл бұрын
CMS = Climb Minimum Speed?
@tenpiloto3 жыл бұрын
@@bigjeff1291----Sorry--Clean Maneuvering Speed.
@bigjeff12913 жыл бұрын
@@tenpiloto Thanks!👍🏻
@hansadrvr3 жыл бұрын
They can expect the call, but it's not required. Far 91.117(d) You can always fly at min safe speed.
@caribbeanaviator19643 жыл бұрын
@@hansadrvr Correct! The call is a courtesy not a requirement. The regulations specify that if your min maneuvering speed is above 250kts then you fly that speed
@williamstewart27273 жыл бұрын
What a great new safety feature. Juan on the artificial horizon.
@richardburguillos31183 жыл бұрын
Sir, it never fails, I learn more and more with each of your reports. Extremely informative and educational. Thank you.
@FlyingSavannahs3 жыл бұрын
Who _wouldn't_ want a Juan Browne avatar in their PFD!: "BEE-BO BEE-BO BEE-BO You're gonna KABLAMMO! unless you lower your nose and add power! BEE-BO BEE-BO BEE-BO You're gonna KABLAMMO! unless you lower...."
@McRambleOn3 жыл бұрын
The Swiss cheese accident model is what’s made me feel less nervous abt flying. It isn’t one issue, but there has to be numerous issues that manage to pass through barriers for something to go wrong- e.g.multiple slices of Swiss cheese that happen to have a hole at the same place that the situation by chance passes through. Knowing that a plane won’t just fall out of the sky, per se, has helped me feel more secure.
@marsgal423 жыл бұрын
This explains an old mystery. I had seen write-ups (CADORS) for 777s exceeding 250 knots on departure but never knew what the issue was. Now I do. :-)
@garyl45383 жыл бұрын
Juan, great look into the 777 flight characteristics/instruments on takeoff and the possible conditiions the flight crew were dealing with for this event. As always your calm walkthrough is educational and insightful.
@markgadsby55683 жыл бұрын
I’m not a pilot so this channel really helps me understand just how difficult it still is to be a pilot (and glad I never chose it as a career - my memory isn’t good enough!)
@shenandoahhills72633 жыл бұрын
Juan did an excellent job explaining the speed protection and warnings, however, those warnings are dependent on the correct "zero fuel weight" being entered into the aircraft's flight management system. This crew, being experienced with this aircraft and the typical loads they would be carrying, should have known that 200/210 kts would have been well below their normal climb speed. On some aircraft the zero fuel wgt can be derived from the landing gear's sensors while on the ground, however, on most aircraft the zfw has to be manually entered into the aircraft's computer system from data supplied in the weight and balance documentation generated by the ground crew, or updates while taxiing. If Juan has the time, perhaps he can explain ZFW, and the interesting fact that fuel quantity is expressed in pounds rather than gallons.
@geofiggy3 жыл бұрын
First of all JB, congratulations on your successful requal. Beautifully done episode. Always look forward to your excellent updates. Take care and fly safe. 🤟🏽🖖🏽
@ThatCodeBlue3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the education! A friend of mine flies the 777-2/-3 right seat for a major US airline. I will continue to follow your reviews of these events.
@carygrant87963 жыл бұрын
glad you added "In Normal Law" to your description of Airbus flight control logic. Unfortunately, we have seen tragically, the Airbus family can stall when pilots fail to recognize the aircraft state.
@GeorgeSemel3 жыл бұрын
"Low-Speed Event" you have a way with words Juan! I would just call it a Take off+ Departure Stall with recognition and recovery. I am just an old analog guy.
@StreuB13 жыл бұрын
I am not pilot; an engineer. Thought this was a fascinating analysis. Going to be watching more of these videos. Thanks, Juan!!
@kenhurley44413 жыл бұрын
I got to meet Juan at the ACCA convention last July at Stearman Field. He and Jenny was on a 4,000 mile+ ride on their Honda's. He's such a nice person and really cares about everyone. He might be done flying commercially in a few years,,,, but he's gonna have a much longer career with "people" that he'll be flying for decades!
@godblessamerica7048 Жыл бұрын
I lost three friends when Northwest Airlines Flight 255 stalled on takeoff at 8:46 PM on August 16, 1987. A series of events resulted in 156 deaths because of pilot error. The crash became the second deadliest at the time and is now ninth.
@manfredseidler15313 жыл бұрын
I'm not a pilot and I'm new to your postings but I would venture to guess that anyone wanting to enter this line of work would greatly benefit and get a supreme education. Listening to you is like a good book you can't put down.
@explorewithmikaandkai27753 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great content Juan!
@johnnydodge3 жыл бұрын
I like it Get outta Fail program. It makes sense. We don't want any aviator failing. Learning to get better is the best practice on any subject. Remember be the the best you can be at your craft 👍👍
@francisschweitzer84313 жыл бұрын
Great coverage. I’ve been center seat on many a KC-135A max weight take off ... and it’s a harrowing event. There is only about 17 -20 kts between you and the ground. Being the crew chief... I had engines ( unofficially) as a second set of eyes and they old “steam gauges “ gave a guy a ton of worry. So glad this bird was able to recover... looks like they were going to be more comfortable at about 300kts.
@murrayfromaz3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the Prayers and advice , SO, SO much love in the aviation family. Ya got to love it.
@justsnappy3 жыл бұрын
Juan, you knew we’ve all been waiting for this debrief! Thanks!
@Laodell3 жыл бұрын
K, just needed to say, I love where you put your feed on the Air Speed Indicator / Artificial Horizon !
@davidolson75753 жыл бұрын
Very very nice video thanks so very much.Great explanation as to what was happening I loved your visuals as well very easy to understand what was happening. Be safe take care look for you on your next flight
@markholub97 Жыл бұрын
Alright, I’m subscribing. You’re the first KZfaqr I’ve seen break something like this down in a way I can understand this. (Not a pilot, don’t hate)
@srzdax3 жыл бұрын
The “chain of events” is called the Swiss cheese model. When all the holes in the Swiss cheese line up, you are having a bad day.
@tovemaersk3 жыл бұрын
Its call the Reason Model, from James Reason.
@drenk73 жыл бұрын
Thank You for an excellent technical discussion. One of your Patreon Pals
@MrSango1233 жыл бұрын
always enjoy your vids juan
@simonchaddock42743 жыл бұрын
Brilliant Juan. Obviously a level a detail not everyone is interested in but if you are so nice to have it explained by someone who actually does it!
@rd46603 жыл бұрын
I’m glad you covered this. I saw it yesterday on VAS Aviation. I knew you’d weight in!! Thanks.
@Garth20113 жыл бұрын
"Scotty, I need warp power, now would be a good time"
@jerseyshoredroneservices2253 жыл бұрын
I'm giving her all she's got Captain she can't take it much longer sir lol
@Garth20113 жыл бұрын
@@jerseyshoredroneservices225 LOL
@2themoon8633 жыл бұрын
“I’ll need 20 minutes to repair it, Captain-but I know you need it sooner so it’s going to be five minutes to fix!” (That way he maintains his reputation as a miracle worker!😅✈️
@chrisschack97163 жыл бұрын
@@2themoon863 Mister Scott, have you always multiplied your repair estimates by a factor of four?
@mikeorourke52643 жыл бұрын
I was a controller at the NYCIFR Room twixt 1973 & 1979 in the JFK sector and it was the norm to advise both departures and arrivals to keep their airspeed up, and I would advise the "customers" you are over int'l waters keep your speed up at your decretion (to arrivals) & to the departures - - - over int'l waters speed up at your decretion. The use of this technique would keep us out of a holding situation for arrivals and for departure traffic, it got the customers out of our hair quicker and on their way. All those FAM trips in the jump-seat did teach us a thing or two. BTW, many of us actually checked our procedures at the Regional Office and received their blessings as the 250knot restriction within the TCA over Int'; waters.
@baomao72433 жыл бұрын
Just got back from KAPC and O69 - basically loitering over Napa, Petaluma, and Lake Berryessa in the C172. A gorgeous day ! ... ...but INSTANTLY made even better seeing another solid blanciolirio video. Thank you !
@sicktj3 жыл бұрын
Ha, I saw you flying over.
@gregmattes80533 жыл бұрын
Juan, I’m glad you are back in the air! I wish you the best with your health.
@user9363 жыл бұрын
S00947 Radio Op: don't worry Bob, we'll just file an ASAP report when we land *and no one will be any the wiser* Victor and Juan: WOW, LOOK AT THESE GUYS 👀👀 🚨 🚨 CAN'T WAIT TO READ THAT REPORT
@Newberntrains3 жыл бұрын
If u know the rough happenings u can search the nasa reports and find the crews report but it wont have anything identifying the crew airline etc just the airplane
@chrispetty85872 жыл бұрын
I love the way you explain things so that the general layman can understand
@richardlincoln84383 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the time You spend to share all this with us. 👍💪
@ronaldscott7813 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great explanation of the high-speed climb request Juan! And if the pilots were drowsy on initial climbout I’m willing to bet they made it to Seoul on adrenaline alone.
@cspruitt31903 жыл бұрын
Thank you Juan. You are so good at this! I missed Lt. Pete!
@wicked11722 жыл бұрын
Excellent safety debrief of this and many other General Aviation and Commercial incidents. As a private pilot I strive to always be learning from multiple sources so that hopefully I can fly accident free for all of my years. Thank you for your contribution to aviation safety. I feel as though I should be able to get FAA credit for watching blancolirio content.
@petervanderwaart11383 жыл бұрын
The squall line shown briefly on a radar map was a doozy, very narrow, very intense, and moving fast. At my house, approx 30 miles from JFK, the wind went from calm to gusts of maybe 35KT to calm in about 10 minutes.
@rosworld91293 жыл бұрын
Juan, I don’t remember ever “coordinating “ high speed years ago while flying the MD11 out of anchorage to Asia. It was a given since we were always climbing clean around 270kts, and we were “heavy” that high speed relief was a given. Now there are countries around the world, where you would require permission for high speed, and some, like france require a specific speed.
@Raptytime3 жыл бұрын
Yes the way I read 91.117 section d says to me you wouldn’t need permission.
@jonross8453 жыл бұрын
This is what the FAR says, (d) If the minimum safe airspeed for any particular operation is greater than the maximum speed prescribed in this section, the aircraft may be operated at that minimum speed. I the USA no High speed climb call required. I have flown heavies for 14 years and never make this call in the USA airspace.
@dxbmick3 жыл бұрын
US is the exception. Min manoeuvre overides 250kts. Other FIR's you do require permission. This is more for a heads-up for ATC rather than begging to be able to go faster. But as Juan pointed out this should be done as soon as your in contact with Departure/approach frequency. And invariably (except China), it is granted.
@dennislyons30953 жыл бұрын
Explanation nicely done. I truly liked flying the 777. I really liked the ADI, everything about it was superior to any other airplane I've ever flown. The 777 is boeings fix of everything even a little wrong with the 767/757. Fly it as much as you can& you'll love it more. Well done.
@tjnucnuc Жыл бұрын
My house overlooks the 777x at BFI. It looks amazing from the outside. Not queen of the skies but certainly regal in its own right!
@joemeyer68763 жыл бұрын
Threading the needle, done right. I’m so glad they did not take the turn (as instructed), into an accelerated stall. I’ll bet there was a lot of WTF over Robbinsville: 777 at 3900 ft screaming 250 kts. The crew was on top of it and were probably cursing the flight planner all the way across the pond.
@tj.mahosky87183 жыл бұрын
Nice coverage of the event Juan Browne! As a freight dog this has been a topic of conversation for a few days now. Some interesting things that have come up are: Does the company define if their fuel is calculated following FARs for 250 below 10k (flaps 1 would be required in this instance) or optimum clim performance. This would also require the crews to request “operational performance speed” of xxx below 10k on heavy gross weight routes if fuel is a limiting factor. It also brings up good discussions on authority or releasing the 250 speed restriction, any potential agreements between the company and the FAA, and also the company SOPs.
@jasonmarks16363 жыл бұрын
"I don't fly planes, but when I do, its right after watching the blancolirio channel. " .. the most interesting man in the world.
@truckerhershey70423 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info on the flight instruments!!! All that info in 1 place! I think I can fly a 777! ( I'm a private pilot 500 hours C-210 biggest so far).
@jak26713 жыл бұрын
A little note on "high speed climb". In the United States this isn't really a request you need to make. Though an advisory to ATC may be prudent nowhere states a pilot must request it from ATC (assuming no speeds have been assigned by ATC or by a published procedure). 91.117 of the FARs says: Unless otherwise authorized by the Administrator, no person may operate an aircraft below 10,000 feet MSL at an indicated airspeed of more than 250 knots. and If the minimum safe airspeed for any particular operation is greater than the maximum speed prescribed in this section, the aircraft may be operated at that minimum speed. The FAA Order 7110.65, which is basically the manual for ATC, elaborates on the meaning of minimum safe speed (3-1-11): 14 CFR Section 91.117 permits speeds in excess of 250 knots (288 mph) when so required or recommended in the airplane flight manual.
@glennpowell34443 жыл бұрын
I saw/heard Vas ,s upload.The 777 is a big mother and nearly snapped these pilots. Respect how an aircraft "flies" and when it decides its not happy at such a low altitude I am sure there was at least one silent fart upfront? Amazing recovery.
@jroar1233 жыл бұрын
Thanks for you hard work on these videos.
@superseries70073 жыл бұрын
Love to see the TO weight for that ship.
@dethray10002 жыл бұрын
my dad(ww2)and son were military pilots who never flew commercial except my son did a little helicopter work--they probably violated every rule in the book but never got in trouble--my son promised and fulfilled huge amount of training before flying our king air--king air can be a handful if you get past its limits or lose a motor and not trained to handle it...i love sitting in the back with the grand kids sipping soda or coffee or taking a nap on the sofa with one or two laying with, on me,heaven...
@mikecann88682 жыл бұрын
Hi Juan, Good reporting and like the guitar bumper music. Thanks, Mike Cann
@a243963 жыл бұрын
@blancolirio It's worth emphasizing that bit about "primary law" on the Airbus preventing a stall not applying to the other control modes. It's STILL possible to stall an Airbus with side stick controller inputs alone. The folks on AF447 discovered this to their determent when a low hour relief pilot held continuous climb force on his side stick and that caused the control logic to degrade from "primary" to "alternate" to "direct" - and in "direct" law it IS possible to stall the aircraft because there are NO alpha protections in direct law. Many bus drivers were not aware of that before AF447 but I can't imagine any that wouldn't know about it now...
@blancolirio3 жыл бұрын
Correct, thus the emphasis on this presentation of Normal Law.
@beezalbub73253 жыл бұрын
Juan did mention that airbus won't allow the stall "under normal law conditions" AF447 flight computers were receiving conflicting airspeed data information. This changed the flight protection parameters and allowed the FO to stall the aircraft. I am positive Juan knows this and that is why he mentioned "normal law conditions" and I just saw that Juan answer to that too. My bad, I should read the replies as well.
@TheFamilyman73 жыл бұрын
@15:51 "Stall warning 'built into' the PM." Funny. Works everytime IF you're paying attention!
@hasnpeterbraun Жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for all these informations. I leanned many things about speed and climb concerning heavy aircraft. greetings from switzerland.
@arshad81703 жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation Juan, especially for non aviation professionals but enthusiasts. Merci!
@j2simpso3 жыл бұрын
Every aircraft should have a window in the artificial horizon with Juan giving advice! 🤣
@dewiz95963 жыл бұрын
The Hari Seldon of Aviation. . .
@FlyingSavannahs3 жыл бұрын
@@dewiz9596 The problem is that Hari didn't show up very often!
@steveholton41303 жыл бұрын
OK, you got me! I remember the name but what was the TV show?
@FlyingSavannahs3 жыл бұрын
@@steveholton4130 Ah, you must be young, you've got the wrong medium! 🍼😁 It's a reference to Isaac Azimov's science fiction novel _Foundation_ and the _Foundation_ trilogy (1951-53) plus two prequels (1988, 1993). The Hari Seldon character, who is central in the first novel, is a genius psychohistorian. He is a mathematical social scientist who develops a probabilistic predictive model that very accurately predicts the evolution of a society and the crises that may occur well into the future. He devises a plan to drastically reduce the age of chaos he predicts will ensue after the currently declining Galactic Empire falls. He is noteworthy for making prerecorded appearances just at the critical times hundreds of years in the future during social crises and providing guidance to solve them. The leaders describe these critical times where Hari appears as Seldon Crises. This has generated the meme that when current events become tumultuous for some aspect of society or an individual, especially oneself, and seem unsolvable, a Hari Seldon appearance is mockingly wished for to provide the correct guidance for solving the problem. And, boy, do we ever need him!
@steveholton41303 жыл бұрын
@@FlyingSavannahs , thanks. I guess it didn't sound as familiar as I thought. I don't believe I am familiar with Azimov's work beyond a few one pagers in Playboy way back in the day.
@matte21603 жыл бұрын
“Premature flap retraction” I hate when that happens.
@tywoodruff17483 жыл бұрын
Clever...
@ScottRothsroth06163 жыл бұрын
At timestamp 17:46.
@Garth20113 жыл бұрын
Sometimes that's just great thing.
@SpeedRebirth3 жыл бұрын
Them girls often too quick retracting their flaps. Also, it's November... No nut
@kath29343 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@williamdegnan47183 жыл бұрын
You have taught me well. I was about 10 or 15 seconds ahead of your explanations. Remember the 10th Commandment, "Lose Not Thy Airspeed Least the Earth Rise up and Smite Thee".
@tdgreenbay3 жыл бұрын
Jaun training us to be able to take over so he can get his meal from the galley.... we gonna be able to maintain a flight someday... great info. Every flight I take lately I'm always asking things of the Guys and girls with the thats and stripes on their shoulders... I kinda understand what they do between you, mentor pilot, learning much
@rg34123 жыл бұрын
Juan, you need an intern to fly the 777 (or similar) in a modern flight simulator. That way you could illustrate perfectly your point, and leverage their video recording capabilities too.
@blancolirio3 жыл бұрын
Good idea!
@chromebomb3 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU JUAN!!!! godspeed
@Guantar903 жыл бұрын
You saying barriers and not cheese holes gave me a chuckle.
@donstor13 жыл бұрын
I am not a pilot but when i saw this on the other channel and heard “stall stall stall” i knew what was going on. I knew you would cover this when i saw you in the comments. Thanks again Juan, you are da best!!!
@WolfPilot3 жыл бұрын
And Whalaa! We get the straight dope from our incident investigator Senor Juan! Thanks for doing this video!
@Graham_Wideman3 жыл бұрын
Whalaa = Voila, French It means "voi" (see) "la" (here).
@WolfPilot3 жыл бұрын
@@Graham_Wideman Maybe Booya or Shazam might have been more appropriate?
@zaphodbeeblebrox91093 жыл бұрын
Et voi la
@christainmarks1063 жыл бұрын
Juan I always thought that the difference between Boeing and Airbus is this : Boeing wants you to fly the plane & Airbus want you to assist the plane in flying 🤷🏾
@maddog54583 жыл бұрын
Comment toward the last part of the video concerning Airbus planes not allowing the airspeed to go below stall speed cutoff when the joystick control is pulled all the way back. That's the "complaint" that Sully Sullenberger had when he landed on the Hudson River. He said that he could have made a smoother landing had he been able to stall the airplane at the last moments before impact into the river. Safety versus extreme applications.
@edgarmuller66522 жыл бұрын
The B777 in a heavy configuration, as Juan says it a juggling act between flaps 1 to up, minimum speed, maximum flap speed. One thing that was not mentioned here, in the analysis Juan, is that there was a line of thunderstorms which could have created turbulence and or wind shear/ shift conditions that could have created the conditions for the speed decay. It would be great to hear and update on the his case. On the speed limit of 250k IAS bellow 10000’ it’s always required to request in advance but the regulations state that the limit IAS Is 250k and/or clean maneuvering speed, so you are not braking the regulations as long as you get the clearance. Thanks Juan for your always on target analysis.
@paulkiely76373 жыл бұрын
Great content as always. All facts, no speculation. Looking forward to future analysis once more is known about this incident.
@Mrsournotes3 жыл бұрын
“Freight Dogs”, I love it, and I mean that respectfully.👍🏽👍🏽
@ORDCLEDAY3 жыл бұрын
Freight Pilots I've known are proud of that moniker.
@Mrsournotes3 жыл бұрын
@@ORDCLEDAY 👍🏽👍🏽
@freightdog6113 жыл бұрын
Yep!
@WestAirAviation3 жыл бұрын
He knows his stuff!
@stephenhaupt77133 жыл бұрын
My Dad called C 130 pilots of the USAF "Trash Haulers". I think he heard that from someone in the Service.
@airkingflyer35153 жыл бұрын
Thee BEST aviation channel period.......🤓
@businessman20853 жыл бұрын
Thank you. As a novice, you did the perfect amount of explanation.