I was six years old and had just arrived home from school to find my mother sitting on the kitchen floor being held by a next door neighbor. My oldest sibling was at the time a flight attendant for United stationed at Idlewild and had flown that United flight the previous day, but my mom had confused the date and thought my sister had perished on that flight as repeated attempts to reach her by phone went unanswered. Turned out my sister was asleep at the time of the crash and wasn’t even aware of it until my mom finally reached her at 3:30 PM. My sister flew with several of the crew that lost their lives. RIP all on both flights.
@cmonkey632 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I can only imagine the grief your mother was going through thinking that her daughter was lost. Back in the day we had neighbours to lean on, we all knew each other. I hope we see that again. Oh, and I'm glad her fears were unfounded.
@emmcee4762 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing
@thomasdaniels68242 жыл бұрын
@@emmcee476 9/11/2001 my father allowed me to miss school and go to NYC with my uncle, who had a business meeting with Howard Lutnick. I was a huge history geek. Our plan was to have breakfast at Windows on the World before the meeting. On the way there, we got a flat on the BQE, which delayed our arrival. The first plane hit while we where in the courtyard. My father was 100 percent sure that we were in the building and didnt find out we were safe until 530pm that evening when i walked through the door.
@josephconnor23102 жыл бұрын
Thank you for writing this.
@shane-irish2 жыл бұрын
Righttttttttttt
@bendover94112 жыл бұрын
Stephen Baltz was the little boy's name, 11 yrs old. He had 4 dimes and 5 nickels in his pocket, now on a placque in the the hospital chapel. RIP little one🌹
@K1OIK2 жыл бұрын
RIP what and idiot, this was 62 years ago.
@AnthraxBird2 жыл бұрын
@@K1OIK Shut up.
@liamb86442 жыл бұрын
@@K1OIK Actually it is only just over 61 and a fifth years ago. Get your facts right.
@K1OIK2 жыл бұрын
@@AnthraxBird You are so brave as you cower behind your keyboard.
@K1OIK2 жыл бұрын
@@liamb8644 Actually 22,359 days ago. 536,627 hours ago more or less. 1,931,859, 740 seconds.
@someonee31862 жыл бұрын
There was a civilian on the streets who saw his apartment get crushed by the DC-8. The wing had clipped his house, then there was a major explosion because of the crashing plane. RIP Victims of this incident.
@momslaw12 жыл бұрын
@@quangminhnguyen2504 i think it was all a plan hush hush . my guess what's your take ?. right / or wrong . please be REAL . thank you . look fwd when you have time to my reply . stay tuned . 👩❤
@coptertim2 жыл бұрын
The boy who survived from the DC-8 had about 75 cents in his pocket. A nurse who treated him made a memorial plaque with the coins. It is still in the hospital lobby today. Also, news papers reported several survivors in the wreckage of the Connie but they died before they could be extracted from the aircraft. Lots of images and witness statements in news papers online. The transition to high speed jets was not as easy as it sounds today.
@cheeseman74532 жыл бұрын
Is it true the captain went back to help a passenger unlock his seatbelt but they both died or was it another crash ?
@coptertim2 жыл бұрын
@@cheeseman7453 I don't know if it was this accident. I've seen images of the Constellation wreckage and it did not look survivable but anything is possible. In 1949, a Pan Am Connie over New York was involved in a midair collision that left the cabin of a Cessna 140, along with the bodies of it's passengers, imbedded in the forward fuselage of the Connie. They were able to safely land without any injury to passengers or crew. With aviation anything is possible...
@duaneeddy39842 жыл бұрын
Plaque
@coptertim2 жыл бұрын
The price I pay for getting too comfortable with predictive spelling. Or is that two comfortable? To?
@Pistolpete1472 жыл бұрын
Actually the plaque the nurse made with the change the little boy had is not in the lobby of the hospital, it is in the chapel of the hospital, and you cannot just walk in. You have to ask the hospital security if you can go see it. Probably because of covid or stricter rules these days
@kevinmalone32102 жыл бұрын
4 yrs earlier, in 1956, a TWA Constellation and a United DC 7 collided into each other over the Grand Canyon.
@gatronflightsim2 жыл бұрын
Uhh is DC 7 not DC 6
@em1osmurf2 жыл бұрын
my father (USMC Capt) was involved in the investigation. there were several marines aboard one plane. he said some very senior officers lost their jobs over it, because commands would let marines go home early before their discharge dates, carrying post-dated discharges and no orders. essentially they were Unauthorized Absence and not eligible for honors/military funeral, a huge embarrassment because the USMC wasn't "taking care of their own". the sh*t storm that caused went all the way to the pentagon and white house. it was pretty serious, his team eventually had to debrief Ike--he was gone for around 6 months. it must've been pretty gruesome--he didn't talk much about it. RIP
@billb78762 жыл бұрын
@@em1osmurf Interesting, thanks
@aleksandarlenhart20782 жыл бұрын
@@gatronflightsim dc-7 is a dc-6 variant
@prall0915 Жыл бұрын
One plane hit the side of the canyon and the other straight down. They had a hell of a time getting to the crash sites. Not that anyone survived. But just to start their investigation.
@FH992 жыл бұрын
There were a lot of communication failures all along the line in regards to flight 826. The TWA plane was an innocent victim of the other planes failures.
@sheilasembly-crum84472 жыл бұрын
This was so heart breaking.
@bullseyes19832 жыл бұрын
What a beautiful plane the Constellation was.
@gregb64692 жыл бұрын
Still is beautiful!
@davef.28112 жыл бұрын
Indeed.
@billolsen43602 ай бұрын
@@gregb6469 Right up there with the 747, Beechcraft Staggerwing and the Concorde.
@tomssimshack3982 жыл бұрын
My mom was in school in Staten Island, the school was next to Miller Field when this happened. When the crash occurred they heard a loud bang and a flash of light. They thought that a nuclear bomb had went off and they all hid under their desks. My uncle was involved in helping to recover body parts in Miller Field after this happened. The field was littered with debris from the collision.
@eugeneweeks33252 жыл бұрын
You know it’s gonna be good one when Allec Joshua Ibay puts out a video. One of the best in the business!
@K1OIK2 жыл бұрын
gonna?
@kevincourtney73122 жыл бұрын
@@K1OIK C'mon man....
@royshashibrock39902 жыл бұрын
Couldn't have said it better myself.
@arthurriordan5760 Жыл бұрын
Interminable repetition
@glenbearh91092 жыл бұрын
I was seven and remember the photo of the boy. This was my first exposure to something so dramatic and it haunted me for years. I so much wanted the child to survive. I'm in tears now at age 69 I cannot put my finger on it but this horror never left me.
@billolsen4360 Жыл бұрын
I know what you mean, being haunted myself by the murder of a local girl who was 12 by a local boy who was 15. Happened when I was 9. She was missing for a few months, eventually he confessed. We didn't know either her or him, but they both lived very close & we could see their houses on the way to school.
@Gromborscht Жыл бұрын
Weakling.
@jamesgraham61222 жыл бұрын
For non-professional pilots here, the last few minutes of A/c/ATC conversation must be somewhat confusing. One essential element might be the fact that the failed instrument on the UA Jet was a VOR. This can give the pilot a bearing to a ground-based transmitter, and, in some cases a distance. If the pilot is flying directly to the beacon we know we are on a particular track, rather like following a motorway or Interstate. Having a second similar instrument, off to one side, we would know when crossing a particular point on a chart, rather like passing an intersection. Without the second instrument, the only way of establishing how far we are along the airway would be to constantly re-tune the only instrument available to the frequency of the second transmitter, a laborious way of fixing our position. Of course, today, in the era of GPS, it's all displayed on a screen. I still feel quite comfortable with the old system, but the young guys can freak out !
@muffs55mercury612 жыл бұрын
Some pilots never made the transition from propliner to jets and maybe this was partly to blame. The propliner's days were far from over as the Constellation was used in passenger service until 1967 and then used for charter and freighter service for many more years after. It's so sad the boy did not live. He'd be 73 this year.
@cheeseman74532 жыл бұрын
This is a very true point steam gauges to a glass cockpit
@aflacduckquack2 жыл бұрын
The pilots of the DC-8 just flat messed up. Too fast, off course, not paying attention to their surroundings. This was an accident waiting to happen, and it did... so sad. Nice video, Allec...
@WendyKS932 жыл бұрын
I was just a child when this happened and knew nothing of it for years but have seen it featured on television and I realize just how terrible this crash was. It's so sad that so many lost their lives but yet it's also a miracle that even more lives were not lost considering the fact that these two planes collided and then crashed in the heart of a city at Christmas time. Thank you Mr. Allec for all your hard work and for featuring this crash of so long ago. Appreciated.
@thecoondog562 жыл бұрын
rem only one landed in the city ..8 miles from the actually collusion
@billolsen43602 ай бұрын
The TWA plane missed an elementary school by just half a block and the United flight could have easily gone down in a much more densely populated area than she did.
@barryervin85362 жыл бұрын
I remember this happening so vividly. I was 13, and passenger jets were a new thing. I remember everyone following the story and hoping that the 11 year old boy would survive. RIP, all the victims.
@MichaelHallGray2 жыл бұрын
I was 14 and in prep school in New Jersey and due to fly home to California for Christmas vacation the next day. When the young boy survived the crash but then died the next day of his burns I knew at the moment there was no god and became a life long atheist.
@barryervin85362 жыл бұрын
@@MichaelHallGray I think I pretty much reached that point 2 years earlier with the Lady Of The Angels Chicago school fire. Although I consider myself more of an agnostic. There could be a God but I haven't seen much evidence of it.
@thecoondog562 жыл бұрын
he survived just long enough for everyone to forget this terrible crash,now you believe ,..god is good
@ajaibanerji66772 жыл бұрын
Apart from the 128 on the two planes, 6 persons on the ground also died.
@stuartlee66225 ай бұрын
Then the les moved into Park Slop.
@mbvoelker84482 жыл бұрын
It would have been helpful if you'd have overlaid the flight paths on a map. The description left me as lost as the pilots were.
@narabdela2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. The description was far too long-winded. Clarity was ignored here.
@thecoondog562 жыл бұрын
m guessing no one in them days could do any math to calculate the speed and intersection ,..obviously they may assumed he was under the 250 ..and rem there was no hand off to traffic control either
@johannesbols572 жыл бұрын
I have a strangely personal connection to this. I was 10 months old. My mother and I were at home in the Flatbush area of Brooklyn when the DC-8 fell. In 2010 I asked my mother if she was aware of an explosion or anything unusual and she said no. I should think it would've shaken neighbourhoods near the site. Her brother, my uncle Jackie, was one of the fire fighters who responded to this.
@bettyboop-xg6jo2 жыл бұрын
You have many interesting connections: Tina Turner did a song about Flatbush, and your ancestors make great Party-drinks!
@Bertrand1462 жыл бұрын
This is crasy because the same happened to me as a friend of mine whose cousin's grandchildrens' father got scooped up by a giant crane and....
@billolsen43602 ай бұрын
@@bettyboop-xg6jo That was Nutbush!
@billolsen43602 ай бұрын
I'll bet your uncle had a few nightmares about that incident afterwards, but men didn't talk about it back then.
@bettyboop-xg6jo2 ай бұрын
@@billolsen4360 Omg, of course! Dumbo me. Thank you! 😄😄😄⚘️
@travist77772 жыл бұрын
A graphic would be a nice addition that shows what was expected verses what actually happened, for thise of us spatially challenged. Cheers!
@fluffy-fluffy59962 жыл бұрын
Yeah. I guess sometimes makers of these vids lose out of sight that by far not all of us are supertechnical or indeed understand all the vectors and clearances and how, what and where. Probably because they do understand it or use the crash investigation and then lose track of making it clear to everyone watching. It’s why I like Airspace or Green Dot Aviation. While it is sort of easied up, it’s much clearer to understand what went wrong and what the thing was that had to go into the thingamiggy which should connect the whatyoucallit to this amazinglycoolpieceofsteel… (I watch The Flight Channel but literally have no clue what the hell he is talking about when he goes into the technical things of an aircraft in a way that assumes that every one inluis subs thinks:”oh so THAT’S what happened, now I fully understand.” Moreover, I exit the video since I know I won’t understand a thing that will follow. All these Victors and intersections, Preston, holding pattern… it got me dizzy at the end of all the numbers mentioned and had no idea how that would have looked like, when a simple graph or drawing would make it visible and much easier to understand. I do feel Allec seems to get more technical and using more advanced aviation explanations now he’s into flightschool. Good for him but I miss the easier explanations, or it’s just me. I don’t need another TFC tbh…
@billolsen4360 Жыл бұрын
There is a documentary on youtube that provides a graphic kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ibNxlsxmr7TboZs.html&ab_channel=AirDocumentaries
@saullouis2 жыл бұрын
Our dear family friend, Herman, died in that crash. Our families vacationed together in Bolton Landing on Lake George for many years. Herman had been in the CCC in the 1930s and was as strong as an ox. He cut wood along with my dad for the annual bean hole bean breakfast after a day of logging and cutting. Herman may have participated in the building of the CCC stone tower on mount Constitution on Orcas island.
@billolsen43602 ай бұрын
it's the ordinary pleasures with friends that you miss the most once they're gone. Impromptu picnics, rides in the country on a Sunday, going to your old high school for a football game.
@silver-berry2 жыл бұрын
Those images of huge airliner parts among the buildings, signs, and people of the everyday city are particularly striking.
@georgeschierling8022 жыл бұрын
Bad week in New York City, just 3 days after this crash a fire in the Brooklyn Navy Yard killed over 50 people
@billolsen43602 ай бұрын
Whoa, I'd never heard about that before. Ship sinkings and plane crashes are more spectacular, but you don't hear that much about other disasters as much.
@richardschindler88222 жыл бұрын
I was five years old but remember this vividly as I lived in Staten Island when this happened. The day after the crash, my father took me to Miller Field where most of the Connie came down. I recall seeing aircraft pieces scattered about but really couldn’t get too close. That was a terrible day. This accident didn’t stop me from flying, as I went on the become a corporate pilot as well as a A and P mech, with 22k hrs in my book I’m now retired. Very informative video, but you got the name wrong, it’s Staten Island. Opps
@OleGeezerCirca19412 жыл бұрын
😭all the souls lost that day. The best videos in the business! 👍
@gerardponchak49802 жыл бұрын
I remember this incident very well, I was 13 years old and living in a house in Queens NY. I was home from school that day with a flu like cold and I was watching TV at the time of the crash, when the news broke in and reported the horrible story. Will never forget those pictures.
@MightyMezzo2 жыл бұрын
What a cluster****. And what a good explanation of what happened. I’ve heard that the boy who survived the crash initially was able to give some description of events before he passed away. The TWA Constellation involved was the sister ship of the TWA plane destroyed in the 1956 Grand Canyon mid-air collision.
@bravoRYT20182 жыл бұрын
Sister ship? Was that an intentional? Anyway, the boy really had to go through an unsurvivable air disaster and he, by luck, survived and still used his remaining time to tell people how it all happened. May he rest easy.
@jimrossi77082 жыл бұрын
Hope your flight school is going well ! Thanks for another 👍🏼 video , keep up the great job !!
@rongendron87052 жыл бұрын
At age 14 in 1960, I really identified with that boy, Stephen Baltz, who died in this aircraft collision! However, about 1970, I met a middle-aged man who owned a small candy factory, that the aircraft crashed into! He was on a ladder, changing a light bulb, when the plane hit the building. He fell off the ladder & fell two stories to a landing below & was seriously injured but recovered, unlike the six who died on the ground! R.I.P. Stephen et al!
@trob09142 жыл бұрын
SO SAD, So avoidable! I believe this crash was included in the plot of Netflix's "MAD MEN", one of the main characters lost his father in the crash. Thanks for this reviewing this Allec.
@dcanimations91982 жыл бұрын
Where can I find that episode what number is it?
@janicesullivan89422 жыл бұрын
That was the crash of Mohawk Airlines, Mad Men episode “For those who think young.”
@trob09142 жыл бұрын
@@dcanimations9198 I just looked it up and the episode mentions Not UA flight vs.theTWA Super Connie but American Flt# 1 NYC to LAX in 1962, ( Season 2, Episode 2). I'm sorry for the confusion in accidents and plot lines.
@janicesullivan89422 жыл бұрын
The KZfaq channel “Faces of The Forgotten” has a story about the little boy who initially survived the crash, his pocket money was given to the hospital where he was treated. What makes this boy’s story so sad was that he was traveling alone. Thank you Allec, for a sincere telling of a terrible tragedy.
@janicesullivan89422 жыл бұрын
@@trob0914 Thank you for clarifying that, it was American Airlines 1, but Mohawk was mentioned in the episode, had to look it up as well. American Flt 1 crashed into Jamaica Bay, NY.
@baraxor2 жыл бұрын
The black and white photos of the Flight 826 crash scene seem particularly atmospheric...crashing into the middle of a neighborhood in the depths of winter, looking like a bomb went off in a block of buildings; something from WW2 in Europe.
@gomphrena-beautifulflower-80432 жыл бұрын
Or 2022 Ukraine 🇺🇦😢
@billolsen43602 ай бұрын
And I guess nobody knew what happened exactly until smoke from the burning fuel cleared about a half hour after the DC8 hit the ground and people could see her tail.
@melissaleoncreolenola2 жыл бұрын
The collision crashes is the one that hits me in the guts... smh... Remembering the victims of this tragic crash
@em1osmurf2 жыл бұрын
Conny was a beautiful aircraft. so sad.
@taniablack50182 жыл бұрын
This was the deadliest aviation disaster of all time, the Tenerife of its day. It would hold the title until May 1968.
@BlackMan6142 жыл бұрын
134 fatalities here. 88 in the 1968 Braniff crash.
@taniablack50182 жыл бұрын
@@BlackMan614 Then I am obviously not referring to that.
@liamb86442 жыл бұрын
@@BlackMan614 I think Tania is referring to the May 1968 crash in Vietnam
@BlackMan6142 жыл бұрын
@@liamb8644 "crash"? Pretty sure a plane getting shot down in an active war zone is not considered a civilian aviation disaster. Just sayin'. I guess that explains her flippant attitude when I called her out.
@liamb86442 жыл бұрын
@@BlackMan614 I think your attitude is just as flippant but I will just leave that there lol.
@aaronnieradzik23032 жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this video, Allec!
@alantoon57082 жыл бұрын
Some flight crews, despite having great experience on piston aircraft, simply could not adapt to the higher performance of the jets and the quicker reaction times needed. The SLC 727 crash was another example of this. It is ironic that the DC-8 was named for comedian Will Rogers, who died in a plane crash....
@Disques13Swing2 жыл бұрын
Will Rogers was an accomplished pilot and radio commentator. He was very well known in his time. Did anyone else notice the DC-8 had the registration number was N8013? Fitting for the first collision that involved a passenger jet with another airliner.
@douggetchess47322 жыл бұрын
I had an Aunt on 836. Last week during Mom's 80th birthday, this subject came up. She described how her sisters charred hands were found grasping something, and her sister was identified by a ring that was found on those grasping hands. Mom said that was the moment she believed in predetermination. There were many random occurrences that caused Dorthey to be on that flight. She had told me about Dorthey many years ago, but not the grisly details she has acquired over the years, nor how that event shaped her philosophical view of life for the next 60 years. RIP Aunt Dorthey.
@taurus_711 ай бұрын
Dorothy M. Miner. That hits hard to hear. Jesus has her in heaven now. ✝️ What do you think she was grasping?
@paulorosato87412 жыл бұрын
TWA suffered a lot of mid air collisions... RIP to that great airline and all the souls lost that day
@muffs55mercury612 жыл бұрын
Yes. Four years earlier was the Grand Canyon crash.
@tpajay2 жыл бұрын
@@muffs55mercury61 Also 2 midair collisions in my home state. In 1955, a TW Martin 202 collided with a private DC-3 over CVG, killing everyone on both planes. In 1967; a TW DC-9 on approach to DAY, collided with a Beechcraft, again killing all on both planes.
@K1OIK2 жыл бұрын
RIP what and idiot, this was 62 years ago.
@muffs55mercury612 жыл бұрын
@@tpajay So sad. No such thing as TCAS in those days, It was the rule "see and be seen". Sometime air traffic control could help but not always.
@randibgood2 жыл бұрын
A trip via TWA would have been on my "bucket list" for sure, had they still been around when I was old enough to "adult" travel. I was born 8 years after this crash and sadly, I wasn't that old when they shut down. But they had a storied beginning and left a luxurious legacy, unrivaled by any U.S. airline today.
@uralbob12 жыл бұрын
Once again, you hit it out of the park! Thank you!
@htos1av2 жыл бұрын
RIP to all. And thank you Mr. Allec for the great work.
@K1OIK2 жыл бұрын
RIP what and idiot, this was 62 years ago.
@jakerson1812 жыл бұрын
@@K1OIK We're all looking forward to when we can say RIP about you Burt, but in your case, it would stand for Rot In Purgatory.
@K1OIK2 жыл бұрын
@@jakerson181 You want me to die based on a You Tube comment. You said "we're", you have been elected to speak for others? You are such a tough girl hiding behind your keyboard.
@jakerson1812 жыл бұрын
@@K1OIK Yes, I have been elected to speak for everyone cause like the students you taught who hated you, people here hate you too and yes, I asked each one of them. Buy me a ticket to Cape Cod and I will be more than happy to come out from behind my keyboard so we can discuss this further in person. What do you say tough guy?
@stuartlee66222 жыл бұрын
The TWA was trying to land on Miller Field but broke up too badly and just fell on Miller Field. The United was desperately trying to make Prospect Park and come down there, away from the homes. He almost made it.
@Interdictiondeltawing2 жыл бұрын
I was surprised that United plane is still flying despite damage to the wing
@AnthraxBird2 жыл бұрын
It had 3/4 of the total wing span left, so it's feasible it was still able to fly.
@nevadaracer00V2 жыл бұрын
Is it flying for a minute when there is no control and the plane won't do what the pilot wants or is it remaining airborne until impact?
@midgie44102 жыл бұрын
How terrifying. And that poor boy!
@zonzeven2 жыл бұрын
It is difficult to fully understand what happened without a map and a track of the planes.
@K1OIK2 жыл бұрын
that would require some effort.
@micheleshively85572 жыл бұрын
As usual, this man has excellent videos! Top notch on here. I totally love this channel
@charliel32482 жыл бұрын
Been waiting on this one for a long time
@glennpowell34442 жыл бұрын
Aside from the tradegy it is interesting to see that point in aviation where piston and jet engined airliners were operating together.The super connie must have been very noisy inside with 4 wright 3350 engines running.(famously unreliable due to running too hot)The joke amongst pilots was that the connie was the best 3 engined airliner because loosing an engine was so regular.
@dwmzmm2 жыл бұрын
When I was around 4 years old, my dad (USAF) was stationed in Spain (we lived overseas with him), we flew on a Connie when it was time for my dad's next assignment (Maine, USA). From Lisbon, Portugal to New York City (with refueling stop in the Azores). The ride seem to take forever before we finally landed in NYC. Seem like I couldn't get the sound of those engines out of my head for weeks.
@glennpowell34442 жыл бұрын
@@dwmzmm You lucky man.I have had a pleasure flight in a DC3 and that made some noise so I can only imagine what the Connies were like.
@brendaparker38252 жыл бұрын
Allen you are amazing! Awesome job again.
@TheHaratashi2 жыл бұрын
It's Allec not Allen.
@rokitek19972 жыл бұрын
Great! Thank you so much for this video. I couldn't wait for this.
@m.d.54632 жыл бұрын
Allec, nice video again. You know, what I like most about lot of videos from you is the information provided, which explains WHY some rules are how they are now. In this case, why are jets not allowed to go faster than 250 knots within 30 miles of destination? THATS WHY! And why aren´t jets allowed to exceed 250knots below 10k feet? THATS WHY! By 'THATS WHY' I meant the documented desaster happened. Thank you very much!
@dennishanlon48562 жыл бұрын
I recall (vaguely, so therefore subject to further check) discussions within United Airlines in the late 1960’s to the point that the UAL crew began their duty day the previous evening in SFO flying the overnight red eye to ORD landing before sunrise then taking off for New York after sunrise. The concern was that flying through the sunrise can be disorienting to the point where it effected the crew’s response to the circumstances they faced on descent and approach into the New York area.
@777RockNRollin2 жыл бұрын
That one kid who survived for an extra day ! Still Awesome today !!
@leejones50262 жыл бұрын
Great video. Say Allec think you could do a video on the 1956 Grand Canyon mid-air collision?
@em1osmurf2 жыл бұрын
i believe another channel did an exacting analysis (a lack of controller radar systems) of failures for the time period. Mentour pilot? my father, an investigator: "it was horrifying." aircraft parts and human remains were splattered down the heights of hundreds of feet of canyon walls. recovery was an extremely soul-wrenching process. daddy didn't talk about it.
@ARDRI20092 жыл бұрын
An unsung hero was Captain Ambrose Wilson, CO of the 78th Precinct. That precinct is used for the Brooklyn 99. Captain Wilson personally lead the rescue efforts of the men he sent to the crash. Those men found the boy and brought him to Methodist Hospital. No show inspector tried to crush Captain Wilson when he submitted the overtime for the rescue. It looked bad for the inspector not to have worked overtime or spent much time, if any at all.
@louferrao20442 жыл бұрын
My mother was pregnant with me. She was frantically trying to reach her parents who lived one block away from the United crash site. Thankful they were fine.
@zacktong81052 жыл бұрын
I well recall this frightful accident when I was a 16 yr old boy and listening to the CAB Accident hearing investigation seemingly only a few days later when some of this came out indicating failures on the part of the United crew only four and a half years after the Grand Canyon accident where again a United aircraft overtook a TWA constellation from almost the same perspective of the right rear where no action could be taken by the TWA plane. Yet again some years later a TWA Convair 880 struck an Eastern Airlines Air Shuttle Constellation over Putnam County N.Y. where the 880 made it to Kennedy and the Constellation pancaked into a clear hillside and all escaped except for the Captain. Since then there have been very few mid air collisions in this country as positive control exists nearly everywhere at all times.
@glennweaver30142 жыл бұрын
The TWA plane involved was a 707-331 N748TW, made it to JFK with part of its wing gone. There were four who perished on the Eastern Connie. Captain Charles White and three passengers. Date of crash: December 4, 1965.
@Enxitz2 жыл бұрын
6 min agooo and I've been waiting for this for like a century
@K1OIK2 жыл бұрын
get a life.
@wardogies2 жыл бұрын
The second time a United and twa planes hit each other
@jstrahan22 жыл бұрын
I have been an airline pilot for nearly 35 years and am familiar with the 250 knots below 10000 feet rule. However, I have never heard of the 250 knots when within 30 miles from a destination airport rule.
@momslaw12 жыл бұрын
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@thecoondog562 жыл бұрын
we can assume understaffed ,..and no real communications available and so they needed much more time ..this why they stack um up ...the more ships you have the tighter it gets and the tighter it gets the slower you have to go ,..just a guess
@jstrahan22 жыл бұрын
@@thecoondog56 : My point was, if there ever was such a rule, it was no longer there during my airline career which started in 1987.
@tony.bickert2 жыл бұрын
I lost count of the number of decisions made which, if just one had not occurred, the planes would not have hit each other. But all of them did occur. :-(
@wxx32 жыл бұрын
You need charts to make this presentation understandable.
@asteverino85692 жыл бұрын
Well done, Mr Ibay. Live and learn, hopefully 🙏🏽 I’m also thinking of the United and TWA colliding over New York, years before.
@donnafromnyc2 жыл бұрын
My now former boyfriend's father was a photographer for the Post Office (now USPS) in NYC. Because planes carry mail and I think postal property had been damaged,, he was sent to photograph the Brooklyn crash site. To my knowledge, the photos are in their files and not published although they were possibly given to the CAB. I saw prints his father had made from the Brooklyn crash site and couldn't get through them. Awful, like London during the Blitz and the V2 bombings.
@davem53332 жыл бұрын
Problem is when you have aircraft converging into a general area. Air traffic control was not as tight, especially in terminal areas. Nowadays the traffic flow is much more complex with STARS (Standard Terminal Arrival Routes). Tightly routed and timed.
@eloidesousa79112 жыл бұрын
It recreates the flight vasp 168 that crashed near Fortaleza in 1982. It was the worst accident in the history of Brazilian aviation until 2006.
@johnbenjiebarnuevo14892 жыл бұрын
Nine days before christmas day😥😥😔😔
@K1OIK2 жыл бұрын
your point?
@jakerson1812 жыл бұрын
@@K1OIK The one on your head, dummy.
@ouroboris2 жыл бұрын
Another excellent video 🙂
@peterdaba66512 жыл бұрын
United and TWA had had a Mid-air collision 4 years earlier over the Grand Canyon in both cases the United plane hit the TWA aircraft in both accidents the total killed on both accidents 128 the only difference was in the Grand Canyon accident it was the TWA airplane that was out of position causing the accident.
@geoben18102 жыл бұрын
I wss born and raised in Queens N.Y. I was 4 years old in 1960. Growing up during the 60s I don't remember this ever being talked about or hearing about it on the news or reading about it. It could be that Kennedy's assassination, MLK's assassination, civil unrest, race riots and the escalation of the war in Vietnam and the growing protests against it over those next few years just totally obscured it. Events were occurring rapidly in the early 60s. Those poor people were soon forgotten by the public and the media. RIP to all of them ✌🌹
@johnhammond99622 жыл бұрын
Love your channel. God I miss flight sim so bad.
@Chrisinpa2 жыл бұрын
I remember when that happened. I was 13 and remember it shocked the nation. As mentioned in here also I also remember the mid air over the Grand Canyon.
@JohnJohansen22 жыл бұрын
Great video!👍🙂 Until this video I've never heard about this crash. Fantastic job!
@bohemoth12 жыл бұрын
I remember this crash. Used to live around the corner from the impact zone.
@lorenzobeckmann3736 Жыл бұрын
62 yrs, I was shocked as a 11 yr old boy to think something like this could happen
@bws4682 жыл бұрын
Well done! I was wondering when you would do a simulation of this disaster.
@PantherAusfD19442 жыл бұрын
Like the Grand Canyon collision.
@GaryW482 жыл бұрын
I remember this midair crash. NBC-TV did a Special Report when the flight manifest was released, and used the old sandwich boards with the push on letters, to show the names of all of the passengers who had died, as the camera went slowly from the top to the bottom. Nowadays it would had been on an electronic character generator, called a Chyron. The Today Show did an extensive report the next morning.
@anthonymichalski90152 жыл бұрын
one of the rare FROM COCKPIT looks at the oncoming ground by Allec.... man that can't be a good sight to see ..>EVER!! a great video as always.
@crashstitches792 жыл бұрын
These amazing graphics make me feel 25 years younger, like playing my first Playstation.
@buckfaststradler46292 жыл бұрын
I remember reading about this crash at the time in the UK newspapers - I was the same age as the boy who had initially survived
@Freedomlander_1012 жыл бұрын
I feel so sorry for the 11 year old kid..he was the one Who suffered the worst outcome yet, Alive and conscious for one day, badly burned and dead from pneumonia the Next day..must be painful as hell
@cheeseman74532 жыл бұрын
It was a similar crash like this two constellations I think Eastern and TWA they collided near the Danbury airport in Connecticut but there's a boar there I forgot the name of it but there's a memorial my dad used to tell me about it is a picture of him with his coworkers from Eastern airlines at the side of the crash which is not a memorial this might have been the same crash for the captain went back to help a passenger get a seatbelt off but they both perished in the crash and then fire
@gordonbergslien302 жыл бұрын
The Eastern a/c was a Connie. The TWA a/c was a 707.
@cheeseman74532 жыл бұрын
@@gordonbergslien30 Im not sure there is a permanent memorial to mark the.spot of the crash , theres a picture of my dad and fellow Eastern pilots paying there respects some pilots were in uniform .
@johngibson28842 жыл бұрын
These Planes are almost as fast as my clicking on your new videos...turbo engaged
@johnlennon1049Ай бұрын
I was 10 years old when that happened and remember it like it was yesterday. We lived 20 blocks away about 10 15 minutes by car. I will never forget Stephan Baltz face on the cover of the New York Daily News. He died at the hospital that I was born in on 7th. Ave & 5th. St. Total nightmare.
@wychowanek902 жыл бұрын
Interesting to find out this was the reason for implementation of the
@thecoondog562 жыл бұрын
speed doesnt give air traffic time to correct things if and when they`re starting to happen ,..im guessing the slower the speed the bigger the window
@vikkimcdonough61532 жыл бұрын
It's so sad how UA826 almost made it after the collision, only to lose control at the last moment - a little longer in the direction they were going, and they'd've been able to (crash-)land at la Guardia, with potentially lots of survivors.
@stuartlee6622 Жыл бұрын
No! They were desperately trying to crash land in Prospect Park.
@melanieenglert9312 жыл бұрын
I got lost after the 36th "Preston".
@K1OIK2 жыл бұрын
agree
@timothywu88792 жыл бұрын
RIP to the ones who passed away
@GizmoRob1762 жыл бұрын
The audio is fantastic.
@anasianboi52712 жыл бұрын
I love how allec refuses to use any animations but air crash investigation
@annamariehewitt31732 жыл бұрын
Excellent video..First I'VE heard about this horrific crash...I was just a little kid when it happened.....
@charlesclager68082 жыл бұрын
Good video Allec. Lots of communication problems, inoperative equpt and misunderstandings involved.
@anthonyd63702 жыл бұрын
my daughter was born in the methodist hospital saw the plaque with the change in the chapel was 5 years old when this happen and lived only a few blocks away but have no recall of this accident maybe i was in school and my parents were working ?
@X94Caz2 жыл бұрын
So much was learned from this incident. I can only hope that the saying " a wise man learns from his mistakes " has the next line " a wiser man learns from other people's mistakes added to it. This incident took place just (and I do mean just) before I was born.Commercial Aviation was in its infancy. So sad that people lost their lives but the lessons learned have saved countless others.
@almcgeehan80292 жыл бұрын
Not Stanten Island but Staten Island. What a horrible day as I was there on Staten Island and saw the death, debris and devastation. I can still see clothing and other things hanging from broken trees.
@tommcglone28672 жыл бұрын
A very amazing fact about this accident was the investigation into the collision saw Black Box data being used for the first time.
@jl33222 жыл бұрын
Sad way to implement new requirements. RIP * By the way it is Staten Island.
@K1OIK2 жыл бұрын
RIP what and idiot, this was 62 years ago.
@Ralph22 жыл бұрын
Found this one particularly hard to follow. Maybe a diagram or two would help, I don't know. Tragic accident, terrible.
@scottyjohnson91192 жыл бұрын
Those were the exact two aircraft and the exact two airlines involved in the collision over the Grand Canyon four years earlier in 1956. A United DC-8 and a TWA Super Constellation.
@liamb86442 жыл бұрын
It was a DC-7 in the Grand Canyon the DC-8 did not yet exist until 1959
@brarroyo222 жыл бұрын
I was waiting for this one
@jamesmack33142 ай бұрын
I was seven days old at a Brooklyn hospital born December 9, 1960. My dad used to tell me he could smell the jet fuel and other nasty smells on his way to the hospital.