Thank you. I can only imagine the grief your mother was going through thinking that her daughter was lost. Back in the day we had neighbours to lean on, we all knew each other. I hope we see that again. Oh, and I'm glad her fears were unfounded.

Thanks for sharing

@@emmcee476 9/11/2001 my father allowed me to miss school and go to NYC with my uncle, who had a business meeting with Howard Lutnick. I was a huge history geek. Our plan was to have breakfast at Windows on the World before the meeting. On the way there, we got a flat on the BQE, which delayed our arrival. The first plane hit while we where in the courtyard. My father was 100 percent sure that we were in the building and didnt find out we were safe until 530pm that evening when i walked through the door.

Thank you for writing this.

Righttttttttttt

RIP what and idiot, this was 62 years ago.

@@K1OIK Shut up.

@@K1OIK Actually it is only just over 61 and a fifth years ago. Get your facts right.

@@AnthraxBird You are so brave as you cower behind your keyboard.

@@liamb8644 Actually 22,359 days ago. 536,627 hours ago more or less. 1,931,859, 740 seconds.

@@quangminhnguyen2504 i think it was all a plan hush hush . my guess what's your take ?. right / or wrong . please be REAL . thank you . look fwd when you have time to my reply . stay tuned . 👩❤

Is it true the captain went back to help a passenger unlock his seatbelt but they both died or was it another crash ?

@@cheeseman7453 I don't know if it was this accident. I've seen images of the Constellation wreckage and it did not look survivable but anything is possible. In 1949, a Pan Am Connie over New York was involved in a midair collision that left the cabin of a Cessna 140, along with the bodies of it's passengers, imbedded in the forward fuselage of the Connie. They were able to safely land without any injury to passengers or crew. With aviation anything is possible...

Plaque

The price I pay for getting too comfortable with predictive spelling. Or is that two comfortable? To?

Actually the plaque the nurse made with the change the little boy had is not in the lobby of the hospital, it is in the chapel of the hospital, and you cannot just walk in. You have to ask the hospital security if you can go see it. Probably because of covid or stricter rules these days

Uhh is DC 7 not DC 6

my father (USMC Capt) was involved in the investigation. there were several marines aboard one plane. he said some very senior officers lost their jobs over it, because commands would let marines go home early before their discharge dates, carrying post-dated discharges and no orders. essentially they were Unauthorized Absence and not eligible for honors/military funeral, a huge embarrassment because the USMC wasn't "taking care of their own". the sh*t storm that caused went all the way to the pentagon and white house. it was pretty serious, his team eventually had to debrief Ike--he was gone for around 6 months. it must've been pretty gruesome--he didn't talk much about it. RIP

@@em1osmurf Interesting, thanks

@@gatronflightsim dc-7 is a dc-6 variant

One plane hit the side of the canyon and the other straight down. They had a hell of a time getting to the crash sites. Not that anyone survived. But just to start their investigation.

This was so heart breaking.

Still is beautiful!

Indeed.

@@gregb6469 Right up there with the 747, Beechcraft Staggerwing and the Concorde.

gonna?

@@K1OIK C'mon man....

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Interminable repetition

I know what you mean, being haunted myself by the murder of a local girl who was 12 by a local boy who was 15. Happened when I was 9. She was missing for a few months, eventually he confessed. We didn't know either her or him, but they both lived very close & we could see their houses on the way to school.

Weakling.

This is a very true point steam gauges to a glass cockpit

rem only one landed in the city ..8 miles from the actually collusion

The TWA plane missed an elementary school by just half a block and the United flight could have easily gone down in a much more densely populated area than she did.

I was 14 and in prep school in New Jersey and due to fly home to California for Christmas vacation the next day. When the young boy survived the crash but then died the next day of his burns I knew at the moment there was no god and became a life long atheist.

@@MichaelHallGray I think I pretty much reached that point 2 years earlier with the Lady Of The Angels Chicago school fire. Although I consider myself more of an agnostic. There could be a God but I haven't seen much evidence of it.

he survived just long enough for everyone to forget this terrible crash,now you believe ,..god is good

Then the les moved into Park Slop.

Agreed. The description was far too long-winded. Clarity was ignored here.

m guessing no one in them days could do any math to calculate the speed and intersection ,..obviously they may assumed he was under the 250 ..and rem there was no hand off to traffic control either

You have many interesting connections: Tina Turner did a song about Flatbush, and your ancestors make great Party-drinks!

This is crasy because the same happened to me as a friend of mine whose cousin's grandchildrens' father got scooped up by a giant crane and....

@@bettyboop-xg6jo That was Nutbush!

I'll bet your uncle had a few nightmares about that incident afterwards, but men didn't talk about it back then.

@@billolsen4360 Omg, of course! Dumbo me. Thank you! 😄😄😄⚘️

Yeah. I guess sometimes makers of these vids lose out of sight that by far not all of us are supertechnical or indeed understand all the vectors and clearances and how, what and where. Probably because they do understand it or use the crash investigation and then lose track of making it clear to everyone watching. It’s why I like Airspace or Green Dot Aviation. While it is sort of easied up, it’s much clearer to understand what went wrong and what the thing was that had to go into the thingamiggy which should connect the whatyoucallit to this amazinglycoolpieceofsteel… (I watch The Flight Channel but literally have no clue what the hell he is talking about when he goes into the technical things of an aircraft in a way that assumes that every one inluis subs thinks:”oh so THAT’S what happened, now I fully understand.” Moreover, I exit the video since I know I won’t understand a thing that will follow. All these Victors and intersections, Preston, holding pattern… it got me dizzy at the end of all the numbers mentioned and had no idea how that would have looked like, when a simple graph or drawing would make it visible and much easier to understand. I do feel Allec seems to get more technical and using more advanced aviation explanations now he’s into flightschool. Good for him but I miss the easier explanations, or it’s just me. I don’t need another TFC tbh…

There is a documentary on youtube that provides a graphic kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ibNxlsxmr7TboZs.html&ab_channel=AirDocumentaries

it's the ordinary pleasures with friends that you miss the most once they're gone. Impromptu picnics, rides in the country on a Sunday, going to your old high school for a football game.

Whoa, I'd never heard about that before. Ship sinkings and plane crashes are more spectacular, but you don't hear that much about other disasters as much.

Sister ship? Was that an intentional? Anyway, the boy really had to go through an unsurvivable air disaster and he, by luck, survived and still used his remaining time to tell people how it all happened. May he rest easy.

Where can I find that episode what number is it?

That was the crash of Mohawk Airlines, Mad Men episode “For those who think young.”

@@dcanimations9198 I just looked it up and the episode mentions Not UA flight vs.theTWA Super Connie but American Flt# 1 NYC to LAX in 1962, ( Season 2, Episode 2). I'm sorry for the confusion in accidents and plot lines.

The KZfaq channel “Faces of The Forgotten” has a story about the little boy who initially survived the crash, his pocket money was given to the hospital where he was treated. What makes this boy’s story so sad was that he was traveling alone. Thank you Allec, for a sincere telling of a terrible tragedy.

@@trob0914 Thank you for clarifying that, it was American Airlines 1, but Mohawk was mentioned in the episode, had to look it up as well. American Flt 1 crashed into Jamaica Bay, NY.

Or 2022 Ukraine 🇺🇦😢

And I guess nobody knew what happened exactly until smoke from the burning fuel cleared about a half hour after the DC8 hit the ground and people could see her tail.

134 fatalities here. 88 in the 1968 Braniff crash.

@@BlackMan614 Then I am obviously not referring to that.

@@BlackMan614 I think Tania is referring to the May 1968 crash in Vietnam

@@liamb8644 "crash"? Pretty sure a plane getting shot down in an active war zone is not considered a civilian aviation disaster. Just sayin'. I guess that explains her flippant attitude when I called her out.

@@BlackMan614 I think your attitude is just as flippant but I will just leave that there lol.

Will Rogers was an accomplished pilot and radio commentator. He was very well known in his time. Did anyone else notice the DC-8 had the registration number was N8013? Fitting for the first collision that involved a passenger jet with another airliner.

Dorothy M. Miner. That hits hard to hear. Jesus has her in heaven now. ✝️ What do you think she was grasping?

Yes. Four years earlier was the Grand Canyon crash.

@@muffs55mercury61 Also 2 midair collisions in my home state. In 1955, a TW Martin 202 collided with a private DC-3 over CVG, killing everyone on both planes. In 1967; a TW DC-9 on approach to DAY, collided with a Beechcraft, again killing all on both planes.

RIP what and idiot, this was 62 years ago.

@@tpajay So sad. No such thing as TCAS in those days, It was the rule "see and be seen". Sometime air traffic control could help but not always.

A trip via TWA would have been on my "bucket list" for sure, had they still been around when I was old enough to "adult" travel. I was born 8 years after this crash and sadly, I wasn't that old when they shut down. But they had a storied beginning and left a luxurious legacy, unrivaled by any U.S. airline today.

RIP what and idiot, this was 62 years ago.

@@K1OIK We're all looking forward to when we can say RIP about you Burt, but in your case, it would stand for Rot In Purgatory.

@@jakerson181 You want me to die based on a You Tube comment. You said "we're", you have been elected to speak for others? You are such a tough girl hiding behind your keyboard.

@@K1OIK Yes, I have been elected to speak for everyone cause like the students you taught who hated you, people here hate you too and yes, I asked each one of them. Buy me a ticket to Cape Cod and I will be more than happy to come out from behind my keyboard so we can discuss this further in person. What do you say tough guy?

It had 3/4 of the total wing span left, so it's feasible it was still able to fly.

Is it flying for a minute when there is no control and the plane won't do what the pilot wants or is it remaining airborne until impact?

that would require some effort.

When I was around 4 years old, my dad (USAF) was stationed in Spain (we lived overseas with him), we flew on a Connie when it was time for my dad's next assignment (Maine, USA). From Lisbon, Portugal to New York City (with refueling stop in the Azores). The ride seem to take forever before we finally landed in NYC. Seem like I couldn't get the sound of those engines out of my head for weeks.

@@dwmzmm You lucky man.I have had a pleasure flight in a DC3 and that made some noise so I can only imagine what the Connies were like.

It's Allec not Allen.

i believe another channel did an exacting analysis (a lack of controller radar systems) of failures for the time period. Mentour pilot? my father, an investigator: "it was horrifying." aircraft parts and human remains were splattered down the heights of hundreds of feet of canyon walls. recovery was an extremely soul-wrenching process. daddy didn't talk about it.

The TWA plane involved was a 707-331 N748TW, made it to JFK with part of its wing gone. There were four who perished on the Eastern Connie. Captain Charles White and three passengers. Date of crash: December 4, 1965.

get a life.

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we can assume understaffed ,..and no real communications available and so they needed much more time ..this why they stack um up ...the more ships you have the tighter it gets and the tighter it gets the slower you have to go ,..just a guess

@@thecoondog56 : My point was, if there ever was such a rule, it was no longer there during my airline career which started in 1987.

your point?

@@K1OIK The one on your head, dummy.

The Eastern a/c was a Connie. The TWA a/c was a 707.

@@gordonbergslien30 Im not sure there is a permanent memorial to mark the.spot of the crash , theres a picture of my dad and fellow Eastern pilots paying there respects some pilots were in uniform .

speed doesnt give air traffic time to correct things if and when they`re starting to happen ,..im guessing the slower the speed the bigger the window

No! They were desperately trying to crash land in Prospect Park.

agree

RIP what and idiot, this was 62 years ago.

It was a DC-7 in the Grand Canyon the DC-8 did not yet exist until 1959