Having had to [reluctantly, when your standard arm is an SLR with a SUIT sight...and left handed] train on them back in the day this is on the nail. Anything over 50m and you're just keeping their heads down!

@@andyleighton6969 I'm assuming you served in the U.K. military? If that is indeed the case, please tell me how you managed as a left-handed shooter. Everything that I've heard leads me to believe that the U.K. military is nothing if not totally intolerant of left-handed shooters, forcing them to learn to shoot right-handed.

It is interesting to anyone used to US ranges. It is the very rare range in the US that is set up this well.

If I'm not mistaken it's in Thun and you can probably find the blueprints somewhere on the internet. It's mainly used by the swiss military and also accessible to the public so as to avoid pretty much all risks of accidents and enable uninterrupted firing at a range of different ranges at the same time (pun intended). Having a 'trench' below the targets is pretty much standard on outdoor ranges which have different distances available in Switzerland

Although this is one of the more sophisticated ranges in Switzerland, most of them follow the same concept.

@Bill Whittaker It's been a while since I've seen those videos but if I remember correctly he explained the ranges set up in one of the videos. I may be missremembering but I believe that it was setup for longer range shooting only and the way the shooting area was built it was impossible or near impossible to get line of sight on the highway to shoot at it. I would have to go back and find the video to verify.

... but not very accurate, I hear. ;D

@@herknorth8691 it probably works fine against range targets and any of the non plot essential characters ;)

Aren't you a little short for a stormtrooper?

Good gooood!

Have you managed to hit anything yet ?

All. The. This. If I could pin a 2nd comment, I would pin this. Thank you for getting it! In this case, the Army way is objectively more dangerous than the civvy way.

Of course, I understand why the Army way is the way it is, but a) I'm not in the Army, b) I'm on a civvy range :)

@@BlokeontheRange well said mate...

Jonathan, this Cold War Ex U.S. Army Infantryman agrees with you !

@@BlokeontheRange I enjoyed your vid and have been interested by the discussion of open v. closed bolt loading. Everyone is sort of right. I was brought up through WW2 films and wargaming (the shame) to think that smgs were just brilliant out to 200m. Suffice to say that I am very glad that by the time it would have been my personal weapon (as RSO) it had been replaced by the SA80. British Army drill was indeed to load with the bolt closed, and speaking as a firing point officer on a range I think that that was the best call. Weapons are never waved around more than when you are loading ( i.e. in modern terms inserting the magazine) and I'd very much prefer that at that point the guns were basically harmless. Cocking them (left hand over the top of the barrel, I have no idea why anyone thought otherwise) is easy with all the weapons pointed down the range. In the great scheme of things for experienced shots it makes little difference - and your practice certainly replicates what would happen in intensive, short range operations. I am not sure, but you know I don't think I fired the SMG probe often, if at all. All the shooting practices were kneeling or standing as I recollect. But, s a rifleman myself, I may be biased! I do remember one of my serjeants - probably at Sandhurst - telling us that the shorter the barrel the more dangerous the weapon - to your friends, but not your enemies, Spot on!

Yep this was my weapon in the 80s in the TA …RAMC.. was trained exactly as you say. Good memories.Over 40 years ago now.

LOL, H&K bribed the brits to switch. The MP5 is very ammo sensative unlike the sterling and is nowhere near as reliable a gun as the Sterling is.

@@woodshopsquared3183 H & K were owned by BAE at the time.

Having carried and used both I'd take the sterling over the MP5 any day. Light.virtually indestructible and super reliable

@@petersmithm9 BAE is the root of all evil within the Anglosphere.

I was disappointed when told the same story in 1976 by a senior NCO with combat experience. I didn't believe him because I was convinced you could at least use it to place some suppressive fire on a target at about 200 yards. Would like to see it attempt 300.

yes I think your right, we used smg's out to 100m but to be honest it just didn't have enough energy to knock the plates down .would have to have a couple of goes .great gun very manageable, and really you didn't have to use the selector to go from auto to semi ,with practice you could get a single shot while it was on auto.just use your trigger finger........easy.

@@kitjunky133 yeah, but the enemy is still going to pissing themselves

We always said that you would probably be ok standing behind a wet blanket at 50m

I’m impressed with 2 things your shooting and the layout of that shooting range

You'd be amazed how many complainy comments you get cos there's loud shooting noise. I think that mic setup cuts through it quite well though.

@@BlokeontheRange don't you know that you are supposed to rent out the entire range for filming? What kind of 2-bit operation are you running! (/sarcasm) I like watching 9 Hole Reviews and see the target they are trying to hit start moving from someone else's shot.

I help run the Range in the National Guard.. I LOVES Me Some Range Time. In since 1984.

Actually, I thought that the sound of shots was overdubbed. It would have made for consistency. (My thoughts.)

Once someone let us shoot a specially modified 9mm MAC submachine that had been fitted with an AR15 Stock and buffer tube. At 50 yards it was quite controllable. Normally that sort of submachinegun fires in excess of 1,000 rounds per minute and can not be controlled very well. While very expensive, some in the USA do own full auto weapons and occasionally some one will me shoot theirs.

Paul Clarke -- in the Canadian military I fired it at 100 and 200 yards as well as close in.

I've since indeed found out that they are apparently sighted for hot Mk.2z ammo, whereas what I'm shooting here approximates Mk.1z.

@@BlokeontheRange The supply chain for ammunition in the British Army was, indeed, 2z, from sometime in the latter part of WW2. 2z equates to roughly 9mm +P. I'm not going to chime in on any commentary regarding range versus operational, too many people have already!

@@Roger_Stenning sounds a bit like the Swedish 9x19mm skptr m/39b Developed for the m/45 SMG with a harder jacket alloy and a hotter load to defeat the improvised body armor of Katanga-funded militia/insurgents during the Congo crisis. The original skptr m/39 had regular 9mm Luger FMJ specs.

Completely agree. I always reckoned on getting mad score on APWT. Funny how some "experts" reckoned that the Sterling was no good over 25 yards and that at 50 the bullets wouldn't penetrate a wet blanket! One interesting situation did develop when sub standard ammunition was issued; the working parts apparently did not recoil far enough for the catch to engage. Result? Unstoppable automatic fire, a court martial offence! I know a person who had this situation occur, was court martialed and fined. Eventually, the real truth came out (his story, of course, was not believed) but it took him ages to get his money back.

Hi Bob, I always had the safety on when I applied the mag (it being the side opposite the camera you can't see this). Funny thing is, in the pinned comment some ex-NCO who appears to be of the type who put Deepcut on the map complains viciously that I should do the opposite of what you say there, since according to him it's a DQ risk!!! :D I'll give you a heads-up when my CONCAM turns up finally :)

I think the reason as to why you experienced the gun lifting to the right is because you are right handed (I persume). If you look at the AKM - it has a muzzle brake cut at a 45'ish degree angle and slightly angled so that the 'open' part of the brake faces upper right hand 'corner' - this means that the gases will only push on the part of the brake that remains, being the down-left side - thereby pushing the muzzle at a downward-left angle and the only reason as to why that is, to me at least, would be that the majority of people are right handed shooters (the army seldom makes guns for left handed people) and that the left hand that is in place on the handguard supports the left side of the gun more so than the right side, causing it to climb upwards and to the right and the muzzle brake on the AKM fitted the way it is attempts to even it out.

I would suggest that this video shows otherwise!

In RN we were issued these for gate duty/patrol in the 80's. The common joke was that the enemy had no need to fear us when they can protect themselves with a wet tea-towel at 50m 😂 BTW @blokeontherange Very good shooting for 1z rounds at that distance with iron sights. Like to see what you can do with 2z rounds and zeroing the sight accordingly.

Kappi1997 do you live in Switzerland ? Can I please email you if so as I intend to move there and have questions about it . - with thanks , Brian from Ireland

@@BrianAWoods Yes I'm from switzerland. For informations about gun laws here specially as a foreigner I can recommend you the Video from BOTR. It is pretty long but sums it up pretty nicely and is pretty much up to date except some changes to handling of magazines. Long story short if you only have a permit to stay but no citizenship you need to proof that you were allowed to own guns in your old country. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fLdhqaiglt6doXk.html BTW: I'd be okey with keeping in contact the problem is i don't really want to make my email public on a youtube comment

Kappi1997 thank you my friend! This was important info as that means I’ll have to grab a licence before I leave Ireland for st gallen ! As for the email if you wish you can email my secondary account : jsmith18851955@gmail.com where I perhaps we can strike up a conversation , if you are not ok with this - that is ok .

First opportunity would be some pour bloke from Argentina.

@@tokul76 That's what he said. "RG" = "Argie".

@@xlbubblehead2505 have you ever been in combat? The idea is to kill as many bad guys as you can

@@johnstacy7902 Aimed single shots kill not mag dumps.

@@snowflakemelter1172 xxxacty. Although you sometimes you want to keep their heads down until your pals can chuck grenades at them

Best I can remember from back in the day with the Canadian Forces SMG C1 (same weapon), the front post sight was adjustable for elevation and the rear flip aperture sight adjusted for line. Would do a few 5-round groups at 100m for zeroing.

Do you have any idea when that "crinkle finish" was introduced? I left the British Army in 1972 and, as a Medic, was often issued a Smudge as a personal weapon (or an L9). All the Smudges I ever handled had a smooth black finish, so it's a question that interests me. The most comfortable Smudge I had was one issued to me by the Black Watch armourer when I was attached to them for a scheme. He'd done a bit of "unofficial experimenting" and replaced the cocking handle with a large rounded knurled knob he'd made himself. It certainly avoided the digging in the ribs that was the norm when carrying the weapon over your shoulder on the sling. I've always wondered why it wasn't universally adopted. MsG

It's on all the commercial Sterling ones. The Fazakerly-built ones (the majority in MoD hands) were smooth.

@@BlokeontheRange That's a damn shame.

@@BlokeontheRange Thanks for the info, stoaty. So are Smudges now being produced in semi-auto for the commercial market? Or are they gash British Army refurbed ones? MsG

that specific range is, I believe, military with civilian access. most long-range ranges (up to 300m) are built similarly to that, and some are military while others are owned by shooting clubs.

This would never happen on a UK military range. No one just turns up and starts randomly shooting.

Rufus Chucklebutty 1973 or 1974. Never say nothing would never do whatever because it happened. Next you’ll say a range master would never pick up a loaded SLR and throw it against a brick wall or a bolt with a tiny sliver of matchstick in it rendering it full auto would go through a military armoury and not get caught. Or a sterling gets handed in with a live round stuck in the breach without someone warning about it. Military dude, shit happens that shouldn’t do.

No- the target should be on ceiling rails so you can liwer it and trundle it towards you while the thunderbirds theme plays in the background 😂😂😂