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Vertical Mill Tutorial 6 : Laying out your part
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@leebarnhart9725 4 жыл бұрын
I've been a machinist for 40 years and you folks can rest assured you are getting the right info on this channel. This gal knows what she's talking about and has a great teaching format going on here. Excellent site.
@Blondihacks 4 жыл бұрын
Aww thanks! I appreciate that. ☺️☺️
@desmofan1864 4 жыл бұрын
Lee Barnhart Absolutely! my years pale by comparison, but I love Quinn's videos for the very clear insight (esp lathes, since I literally have not run one, er, this decade lol)
@prodoverjeff2876 4 жыл бұрын
Lee, I'm about your age, having been a machinist in the turbulant 70's. Yes, she's bright, patient, and even admits the occasional mistake. I wish she had been one of the cigar chomping WWII vets that taught me. And made me go get their coffee for them.
@jerrypeal653 4 жыл бұрын
I’m watching
@Neptune730 4 жыл бұрын
I have to agree with you 200%. I was a machinist also for 13 years and had formal training. I enjoy watching her videos even though I know most of what she says. Because I have acquired bad habits over the years it's nice to see a refresher. I still machine as a hobby. Happy New Year Everyone.
@jamesstanlake4064 4 жыл бұрын
This is why a accurate woodworker will use a marking knife to lay out woodworking projects.
@whodat90 4 жыл бұрын
“Precision costs time” Excellently stated. I may print that out and hang it in my shop.
@DavidLindes 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe make each word (or each letter) less and less precise, to show eroding patience? ;) (Or not! If you've got the patience...)
@SecurityisaMyth 3 жыл бұрын
"Precision costs time, time costs money!"
@PorchPotatoMike 4 жыл бұрын
When I was QA manager at a waterjet company, I think I spent more time cleaning my giant surface plate than anything else. Everything that came in there had garnet from the waterjet on it. Drove me insane!
@criggie 4 жыл бұрын
Silly question - can you power wash a surface plate ? Or would that damage it over time?
@drmodestoesq 4 жыл бұрын
Darn it! Garnet!
@dalejones4186 4 жыл бұрын
Loved the “Click Spring” comment. Great job Quinn. I learned a lot.
@georgesweap7 4 жыл бұрын
Holy moley , this is the best tutorial I have ever seen on simple layout! Very professional and a bit humorous! I teach this stuff at adult education apprentice classes and you kept my attention span! WOW! This is great stuff!
@Blondihacks 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the kind words! ☺️
@RonCovell 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Quinn - I love your videos! Although I consider myself a reasonably experienced (although largely self-taught) machinist, I always enjoy the intelligent way you add depth, insight, and your wonderful humor to the subjects you cover. I do have a suggestion - you have made some (oblique) references to automobile racing, and I'd love to see you make some videos on that subject. I'm sure you will find ways to add your fresh perspective to that subject!
@Sugarkraft 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. “Reckless abandonment” 😄 I just watched the cleanest hands on the internet. Change My Mind! 😂
@johnapel2856 4 жыл бұрын
I always find a well scribed line in Dykem oddly satisfying. But then I also believe that Narwhals are actually unicorns in scuba outfits. Thanks for another good video. Meow and thanks.
@pauldevey8628 4 жыл бұрын
As i have mentioned before, I like that you back your techniques with some theory. I also like that you add practical tips that make techniques easier. Thx again for all your efforts.
@TomMakeHere 4 жыл бұрын
Cleanliness is next to Renzettiness. That got a good laugh from me
@EVguru 4 жыл бұрын
Not enough people seem to know about Prick punches (no tittering at the back!) Prick punches have a much more acute point angle than a centre punch and are used to more accurately pick up on layout lines. Use them to make an indent, which you then use to locate the centre punch.
@MyTubeSVp 4 жыл бұрын
For other people like me who didn’t know both existed : images.app.goo.gl/2NhX9aMpt9o475d96
@KurtisHooey Жыл бұрын
Quinn, these videos within a few days have taught me more about machining, and with more clarity, than my college program has in a year. Wish I found your channel much sooner!
@JackdeDuCoeur 4 жыл бұрын
"I like to observe trolls in their native habitat." Ha ha! The gloves come off metaphorically as well!
@kgee2111 4 жыл бұрын
There are 1,001 videos on KZfaq on how to use a Sharpie. Yours is the best!
@ErikBongers 4 жыл бұрын
Love this beginner series! It's turning (pun intended) into a full handbook.
@MaxWattage 4 жыл бұрын
This was a hella-good video.
@Blondihacks 4 жыл бұрын
This is a hella-good comment. 🤣
@DavidLindes 4 жыл бұрын
@@Blondihacks hella!
@OldtimeIronman 4 жыл бұрын
Third! WooHoo! I remember when they invented Frost pist, I ties an onion on my belt as was the style back then... Sometimes the old school techniques were incredibly effective, working to a tenth happened back in the 1800's.
@vendter 4 жыл бұрын
Good demonstration of how to get the accuracy of a woodworker. By the time you eyeball the center to punch, then eyeball the center drill, you can get +- .020 or so. If you have a mill you would want to use an edge finder. If your mill had digital scales you can get +- .001. Marking a part like that is good so you can see where you need to cut, but not good enough for actually cutting and drilling.
@stephensarkany3577 4 жыл бұрын
I have had very good success laying out steel blocks say 10 x 10 x 12" to be milled into manifold blocks for GE turbines. Lots of intersecting holes, etc. Every single one checked good and was accepted. Sharpy is thinner and doesn't flake, use a very sharp wiggler in the spindle with a loupe. That's how to over come some inaccuracies of an old horizontal mill.
@MrJTJINX 4 жыл бұрын
came to see the cat and wasn't disappointed. Great video again Quinn.
@david9783 4 жыл бұрын
I am SO glad you mentioned 'perfection'. I do not use your comment about 'never finishing anything' as an excuse for sloppy work, but perfectionists,although their work IS very good,do not in the long run get much done. I feel better now...thanks! Great tutorial by the way!
@jagboy69 4 жыл бұрын
Just acquired my first dirty old bridgeport. Thanks for the series!
@Zen_Modeling Жыл бұрын
I’m 63 yrs old & recently purchased a Lathe (2yrs ago) then a Mill (yr ago) . 👉95% of why I wanted these machines is for making Custom Detail parts for 1:25 Auto models. 🏁I’ve perused every KZfaq video for the beginner using Hobby Size equipment & Quinn’s quality of videos are HANDS DOWN, my Absolute favorite!!! 💯 💡 My only suggestion would be mentioning 😅the “SHERLINE” 🇺🇸 made products. They are PERFECT for what I do. ZenModeling
@AaronAlso 2 жыл бұрын
Quinn, I'm really enjoying your channel; the subtle shop humor with that sisterly cuteness. You do a very good job explaining your processes and demonstrating "real world" practices. Your content has me wishing I was back in the shop; making chips and breaking taps.... FYI: Sharpie is not "safe" for use on all materials or welds and is particularly forboden in aerospace. We were required to use a Trace Element Certified (TEC) Sharpie. They look just like a regular one, cost 5x the price, only come in black and the one size.
@nannerpuss9430 2 жыл бұрын
She is literally This Old Quinn! I am loving this channel already! Been working on CNC machining for a bit, and I never have learned to manual machine properly. Fantastic resources so far!
@Mongoman-oq9bq 4 жыл бұрын
Don’t get me wrong most of the other machinist on KZfaq are great and I enjoy watching them but this woman is the best tutor END OF STORY AND THATS THAT !!!!!!
@Blondihacks 4 жыл бұрын
I’m not a real machinist, but I play one on the internet. 😬
@Mongoman-oq9bq 4 жыл бұрын
Even more impressive !
@brianmoore1164 4 жыл бұрын
Beautifully presented and a good reminder that tolerances matter. If the print says within 3 thou and you spend the entire day getting one part to within 2 tenths then your fired. You should have met tolerances and done several more parts that day.
@georgebeaves1254 4 жыл бұрын
I like your videos, Quinn. You are intelligent and knowledgeable. You strive for high accuracy in your parts and in your videos. As a perfectionist, I admire that in you. Beginners need to understand the many ways that error can be introduced into measuring and machining. You go a very long way toward explaining that. Great for beginners to know that laying out with the caliper is fast and quite accurate. But due to the fact that the caliper must be angled slightly to allow one jaw to scratch a surface while the other jaw rides on an adjoining face, the only dimension that is 'exactly' equal to the reading on the caliper is the hypotenuse of the small right triangle defined by the two caliper jaw tips and the corner of the respective adjoining faces. This method introduces an unavoidable error by its very nature. But, as you say, the caliper is very worthy of consideration as a quick and easy way to scribe layout lines on a part. Obviously, the caliper body must be held as perpendicular to the desired scribe line as possible. But to reduce the triangulation error to a minimum, however, the jaw riding on the adjoining face must be as close to the corner as possible.
@mikecrowley3102 11 ай бұрын
I was thinking the same thing . When you are looking to be as precise as 'financially ' possible then why would you introduce the inevitable discrepancy that will occur by using a caliper at an angle to scribe a layout line? Tbf, I think Quinn stated that it was a quick and dirty technique, so , I guess you pay your money and take your choice.
@TimeWasted8675309 4 жыл бұрын
So if I understand you Quinn, all surface plates are relative to something that came before, all the way back to the Giant Black surface plate in 2001 A Space Odyssey.
@Blondihacks 4 жыл бұрын
The first surface plate may have been a gift from aliens. Who knows where THEY got it from.
@mumblbeebee6546 4 жыл бұрын
Blondihacks They did not get from anywhere. It's surface plates all the way down!
@txm100 4 жыл бұрын
@@Blondihacks They got it from INSIDE the big black surface plate! _It's full of stars_
@smellsofbikes 4 жыл бұрын
There's a whole machinist geek subculture in generating arbitrarily flat surfaces from scratch. www.amazon.com/Machine-Tool-Reconditioning-Applications-Scraping/dp/9996967085 is one entry point into this insanity.
@DavidLindes 4 жыл бұрын
@@Cenedd Yeah, I was going to link to those videos: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qK6dprR2pt6VZqM.html, kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Y91khZWWpq6smX0.html, kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jc6pqpinnLKbYJc.html, kzfaq.info/get/bejne/sN2ih6qHuN7een0.html Also, for anyone just trying to understand the basic ideas, here's a nice intro: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hb2RZqllx7Guo3k.html
@bostedtap8399 4 жыл бұрын
Before Layout Blue, or Red, there was Copper Sulphate, this was used at my Machine Principles class in college. Strange blue solution, that changed to Copper when applied to Steel. Anyone else remember this. On larger jobs, we used white emulsion paint applied with a four inch (100 mm) paint brush 😱. Excellent vlog Quinn, very detailed and very accurate, food for god's ref the hobby guys, If I may comment. Thanks for sharing.
@WilksGRendai 4 жыл бұрын
My dad used copper sulphate for electroplating in a tank - was great stuff, such a nice blue - grew awesome crystals when you let it sit. I remember copper plating all sorts of rando stuff like oak leaves. I think we had to spray with silver nitrate first unless my memory betrays me...🤔 Excellent vid as always Quinn! ❤
@pnt1035 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, I still use copper sulphate solution from time to time. More robust than sharpie and less messy than traditional marking blue. Not too helpful with brass or aluminium, though!
@bostedtap8399 4 жыл бұрын
@@pnt1035 I've used a can of acrylic satin black for larger items, drys quick, and very cheap. Good to hear it's still in use 😀
@bencesarosi7718 4 жыл бұрын
"If you just try to slap it on and expect to get a Clickspring video, you'll be disappointed" That's some expert level reference-making right there.
@Blondihacks 4 жыл бұрын
He is the master of artful Dykem application. 😁
@bencesarosi7718 4 жыл бұрын
Hahaha, that's brilliant! :D
@clydedecker765 4 жыл бұрын
OK OK OK .. flat is relative! Stop petting that rock! Love your vids Quinn. The trolls may have their fun but I love seeing how low they can get.
@prodoverjeff2876 4 жыл бұрын
And when I could not find the Dykem (Dykum to us old timers) Remover, the trick was to paint a little mor Dykem, then squirt oil on it, wipe with a oily rag. And I have no Uncle Bob! But I got the job done.
@bobaloo2012 4 жыл бұрын
Calipers are consumeables. If you really use them they need to be replaced every so often, don't be obsessed with them, use them.
@Tinker001 4 жыл бұрын
I use the Mitutoyos for marking. The no-name ones aren't worn out yet.
@DrewLSsix 4 жыл бұрын
Home gamers usually don't "really use" any tools compared to industry. We typically lust after tools long discarded by the pros. Including those consumables like end mills cutters and calipers.
@TheJackBaker 4 жыл бұрын
Mr Pete's considers his surface plates as consumables.
@prodoverjeff2876 4 жыл бұрын
When I learned to scrape at Brown&Sharpe, back in the 90's I was simply taught how and why it is done. Many years later I learned about the 3 plate method of generating a set of surface plates estimated flat within .ooo2 per 12". This helped me understand how the first plate could have been made/verified prior to machines invented to do that (chicken/egg). I had no internet and had to search old libraries for info on Henry Maudsley, the guy who developed and published this process. Quinn, I have no doubt you are smart enough to understand, and curious enough to ask the chicken/egg question. And today, the world's biggest library eists in your phone, computer or laptop. If you don't already know how it's done, find that origin.
@crispoman 4 жыл бұрын
So that's why so many makers have Abyssinian Blue cats? Makes sense now.
@robertoswalt319 4 жыл бұрын
Great video demonstrating the basics of layout. Great humor as well. Hoping that the new year will bring you great joy.
@barrymullins7138 4 жыл бұрын
Another great video I love watching you and listening to you because you take the time to explain how to do stuff and why it needs to be done that way thank you
@ninthm00n 4 жыл бұрын
Boy I kneeded another Blondihacks Mill video. =) Saturdays are so lovely these days.
@michaellinahan7740 4 жыл бұрын
Quinn, The caliper 'trick' is a bit like showing a naughty schoolboy how to do something wrong and then telling them that they shouldn't do it (but we all do from time to time). You must also be careful to have the jaw that is following the reference face to be as flat as possible otherwise the angle will change your measurement. Regards
@roncunnigham4590 4 жыл бұрын
Great video Quinn. I am just beginning to learn machining and your videos have been great sources of info. Many thanks.
@madscientist5969 4 жыл бұрын
Line layout using calipers is super easy AND precise.
@desmofan1864 4 жыл бұрын
I mentioned in the past that I would have been killed if I used PME as a scribe. xD They're not mics, of course, but still calibrated. Machinist squares, combo squares, etc. are how I was taught for layout.
@slidey1000 4 жыл бұрын
Captions are fun. I like this "bloody axe" channel
@lyndone.2682 2 жыл бұрын
Love the subtle humor !!
@larryshaw6517 4 жыл бұрын
If I ever graduate to a full sized mill or lathe this info will be of great use, but for now I'll stick with my watchmakers lathe and mill. As usual you keep giving me ideas ( get out of my head!) Thanks for the lesson and the smiles. Happy New year
@desmofan1864 4 жыл бұрын
lol ayyyyy calipers. I was waiting for that. ;) Also, a nice side effect of dykem's dry time is that it lets you double check your dims!
@AtticusDraco 4 жыл бұрын
True
@Blondihacks 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely! 😁
@grassroots9304 Жыл бұрын
Using calipers to score layout Sharpie is frickin' awesome for quick marks that are pretty precise. I do that a lot for knowing how far from the end to turn down a part which will be parted off long stock. I also use it for what you've shown here, marking lines where something is supposed to happen/be done. If there are haters saying it's a bad way then either a) they get paid by the hour or b) they don't grasp the concept that some things can be +/- 0.005 and still function (+/- 0.0625 for the woodworkers...if they can read). I like your videos. You explain things well and show actual knowledge of your subjects. And you're almost as funny as ToT. Almost.
@russellstarr9111 4 жыл бұрын
I use the aerosol spray Dykem for my layout work. It is easier to get an even thin coat and dries pretty quick. I don't have easy access to a granite surface or height gauge. My work doesn't require ultra precision (+ - .030) for most things I do, so layout with dial calipers happens all the time.
@t4concepts 4 жыл бұрын
First time I've ever watched one of your videos, I can usually be found watching Abom, AVE or This Old Tony ................. now you're also one of my faves! ; ) Love the way you explain things, love the humour, and the cat! I've just started learning metrology, precision and all that stuff for my projects, and as I'm in France ( used to live in the UK ), I use the Metric system. I think you're just the Gal to explain to KZfaq viewers about the metric system, and why it's far superior than the 'old' Imperial system! Maybe in one of your forthcoming videos. Subscribed! ; ) TURK
@yowie0889 4 жыл бұрын
But what do you call a quarter-pounder with cheese?
@t4concepts 3 жыл бұрын
@@yowie0889 I have no idea Yowie ........................ that's an American thing! Over here we have 'Pain au chocolat' and 'Croissants' ; ) TURK
@yowie0889 3 жыл бұрын
@@t4concepts All good, I was just having a bit of fun referencing some Pulp Fiction dialogue since you mentioned the Metric system and France: Vincent: ... And in Paris, you can buy a beer at McDonald's. And you know what they call a Quarter Pounder with Cheese in Paris? Jules: They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with Cheese? Vincent: Nah, man, they got the metric system. They wouldn't know what the f*** a Quarter Pounder is. Jules: What do they call it? Vincent: They call it a "Royale with Cheese."
@t4concepts 3 жыл бұрын
@@yowie0889 Ha ha ha, Yes I kind of gathered that mate, actually, It was the very first thing I thought of after reading your quote. In fact, I'll have to dig out my DVD of Pulp Fiction later and watch it tonight! ; ) Just to correct 'Vincent' ................ They don't call it a "Royale with Cheese", but "Le Royale Cheese". And it's trade marked as such. They sell for 4.30 Euro's, I just checked on their menu! : ) No doubt twice the price than in the US. TURK
@yowie0889 3 жыл бұрын
@@t4concepts Cheers for the "Le Royale Cheese" update. Since 1994 "Royale with Cheese" has been repeated so many times it has become accepted fact. It amuses me (here in Australia) that the most interesting thing to those characters about a foreign country is the minor differences in an American fast food franchise.
@mikecurtin9831 4 жыл бұрын
Good stuff. As of this writing, no trolls, but thumbs up to crush one when they show up.
@Blondihacks 4 жыл бұрын
I delete stuff fast and with extreme prejudice. Nobody gets to come into my house and poop on the carpet.
@mikecurtin9831 4 жыл бұрын
@@Blondihacks Copy that.
@jerrydemas2020 4 жыл бұрын
@@Blondihacks except the cat?
@douglascampbell9809 4 жыл бұрын
Blue Dykem: robust enough to stay on a plucky R2 droid through 9 films covering a number of battle zones.
@txm100 4 жыл бұрын
Is this a joke or the truth? 😂
@prodoverjeff2876 4 жыл бұрын
Douglas, I once had bottles of blue, red, white and green Dykem. One day, I came back to the shop from doing something and my trainee ( a former body man) had gotten bored and painted evrything in sight green. Coulda killed him. But he was a part time boxer, so I just chewed him and made him miserable for a few days.
@douglascampbell9809 4 жыл бұрын
@@txm100 The Blue on R2D2's body is blue Dykem. That's straight from Adam Savage on Tested. Since he worked at Industrial Light and Magic and knows most if not all of the builders from the original Star Wars film I believe him.
@fdavillar 4 жыл бұрын
This channel WON the MostCompleteInformationAboutMachiningGreatlyPresentedOnKZfaq Golden Award - 2019! Congratulations! Going to 30K exponentially! Hurray! i miss metric references, though
@Blondihacks 4 жыл бұрын
I’ll try and incorporate more metric into my content. Thanks for that feedback! 😁
@fdavillar 4 жыл бұрын
@@Blondihacks Thanks Quinn, You're the greatest. I just love the way you can explain logically and didactically your issues. It's so elegant, fluid and complete, but them, suddenly: "...with the precision of 327 snerklews*..." and I feel my face hiting against a wall. *Snerklews been the unit correspondent to 1/23 of 3/577 of a giraffe's tail.
@johnpintarich8174 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Miss blondi from the land (down under Aussie) love your teaching method if more teachers tought like you then young gen would enjoy and take in more. Love your work lady.
@leebatt7964 3 жыл бұрын
Little known fact: all surface plates are calibrated to Greenwich mean flatness. Dont forget to calculate the relative flatness of the flatness zone yore machining in. For example I am in Maine which is in the eastern flatness zone. And don’t forget to turn your flatness flatness back during flatness savings time!
@robertbownes6718 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting variations in the pronunciation of ‘dykem’. You pronounce it ‘dye chem’. I was taught by my shop teachers that it was pronounced ‘dike em’. While I suspect your pronunciation is probably more correct, I’m going to write it off as a Canadian vs upstate NY regional thing. :)
@segwaydave 4 жыл бұрын
Poor continuity guy 😩. Terminated during the holiday season to boot! Bad Blondi! Bad bad! 😜 Btw: great video! Thank you for your efforts!
@robertoswalt319 4 жыл бұрын
Her tag about the continuity man reminded me of the opening credits for "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" where the people responsible for the credits kept getting sacked.
@markdmaker3173 4 жыл бұрын
Very helpful. I appreciate your knowledge and experience.
@bcwrangler 4 жыл бұрын
I just got my new surface plate last week and a 101 video on layout is well timed......Thanks, and Happy New Year Quinn
@apachesmokemachining6487 4 жыл бұрын
Another great video, it was useful and fun to watch
@mousefad3673 4 жыл бұрын
Loving this series of videos. Thanks!
@robjohnson1138 4 жыл бұрын
Measure with micrometer, mark with chalk, cut with axe.
@dailrharris9009 4 жыл бұрын
"Hammer to fit, paint to match"
@54leedaley 4 жыл бұрын
@@dailrharris9009 A very old ship's carpenter friend told me "You cvan fix anything with 6" putty"
@Elsanto2023 4 жыл бұрын
You are amazing, keep doing videos please.
@jimsvideos7201 4 жыл бұрын
Also, Lee Valley has a neat optical center punch if it needs to be very, very close. A Noxon punch - a prick punch and a center punch linked by a tension spring - is a handy thing too. Also also I like your being a bit of a dork; hard to be adorkable otherwise.
@treathull9587 4 жыл бұрын
I second the recommendation for the Lee Valley optical centre punch. It’s not cheap(no Lee Valley tools are cheap) but with 8x magnification, centre punches are extremely precise and accurate.
@MrThodin 4 жыл бұрын
LMAO, you said HELLA! I already enjoy these vids, now I love'em. :P
@Just1GuyMetalworks 4 жыл бұрын
Indeed the surface plate could have saved me from using the mig eraser on a couple of occasions 🤣. I have a cheap $15 set of calipers that I use sometimes for scratching layout lines and save my good ones 😊. Hella cool video! Thanks 👍😁👍
@Blondihacks 4 жыл бұрын
MIG eraser! 🤣 I love that
@jeffreyhallam5517 4 жыл бұрын
Ranzetti-ness is a virtue we should all strive for. But alas, we are but men... and women. Seriously, though. That was a great joke! I’m still smiling. My faith is a touch seasonal. When I worship Ranzetti, I Gotteswinter.
@mftmachining 4 жыл бұрын
LOL.....so true
@John-kc7ko 4 жыл бұрын
Hella rad video. Also a fan of reckless abandon :)
@fpoastro 4 жыл бұрын
I was expecting to read some bridge underlyer comment about tangential error because when you scribe with calipers your calipers are inevitably at some nasa level angle in relation to the face of the part marked. Forget about tip wear lol. Nice work letting them burn out til the end. There is always something to be learned and its great to get any tid bits or chunks of knowledge.
@SnajperGT 3 жыл бұрын
I'm just scratching the surface 🤣 🤣 that made me laugh! Good video! I like your work. I'm just a bit over with the amount of you calling random things "guy" but that's just me. I have just taken a delivery of my milling machine from UK all the way to Poland and will start my journey with machining soon. Keep up the good work!
@Blondihacks 3 жыл бұрын
Referring to inanimate objects as “this guy” is #3 in the Blondihacks Drinking Game
@SnajperGT 3 жыл бұрын
@@Blondihacks Think I need full instructions for this drinking game😬 On the end of the day I'm in Poland so any excuse to have a drink works fine. Sometimes no excuse is good as well 🤣 🤣. Just watched a video you made about finding a centre of an hole. And...... I'm getting a wiggler 😅😅😅
@fredgenius 4 жыл бұрын
@20:08 - Exactly? Don't forget the cosine error! I use a caliper for marking out on the lathe (not my best caliper) so no criticism from me! Greight vid, thanks.
@deefdragon 4 жыл бұрын
Only thing missing from the video imo was why the callapers might not be the best, and why people would get mad. But at that point, use the dials or dro
@Blondihacks 4 жыл бұрын
The cosine error is trivial compared to the inaccuracies of manual layout in general.
@fredgenius 4 жыл бұрын
@@Blondihacks I agree, but it was your use of the word 'Exactly' that got my attention. Nothing is ever 'Exact' in the machine shop.
@nathanielstephenson7932 4 жыл бұрын
I would have cautioned the audience about potential errors using the calipers for layout as well. When using this method it is very important to keep the calipers as close to the top edge as possible and as square to the workpiece as possible. At the very least, I would have said this technique is good for +/-.015 jobs, and advised against if more accuracy is required. No trolling intended, still a great channel that I look forward to watching 😀
@fredgenius 4 жыл бұрын
@@nathanielstephenson7932 I agree. I put this too the test couple days ago - set my height gauge and caliper with a gauge block, scribed a line with the height gauge, and a second line with the caliper. What I got was a thicker line, so I guess the caliper line was maybe 0.5mm short. If I want to mark a center line on rough stock, easy to run the caliper on both sides and you know the center is between the two lines.
@genecarden780 Жыл бұрын
Quinn like you say the measurements are relative. And “exactly”is an abstract term. Using the caliper is not precise. Because the jaws are equal length you have to tilt them to get one to ride the edge, alternating the dimension..( probably not enough for a hobbiest to care about, but I just wanted to throw you a curve to the usual “ you will damage the hardened tips scratching thu dykem” bs😜😜 ) another good video. Always something to learn from your videos.
@bustednuckles2 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video!
@ssskids123 3 жыл бұрын
These videos have been a huge help! Thank you so much.
@steved8038 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for another informative and entertaining video, Happy new year and I look forward to seeing lots more videos in 2020.
@MyTubeSVp 4 жыл бұрын
Very informative video. Thanks !
@olavl8827 4 жыл бұрын
I've always been cheap and use sharpies/permanent marker pens. If applied in multiple layers (with drying in between) they aren't so bad. Easily dissolved in ethanol as well. Either way this is a very good introductory lesson in layouts.
@paulmorrey733 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Quinn
@badvlad9861 4 жыл бұрын
Great show, lotsa info, THANKS ! I am not guilty of "Reckless Abandon" but I am a suspect.
@philpatrick4519 4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic tutorial!
@dougankrum3328 4 жыл бұрын
Most guys here already know....but if you're doing a job with the boss watching the clock....you can speed-up the drying of dye-kem with a bit of compressed air... And I used to do a lot of welding fabrication for Aero-Space stuff..... every drawing had a corner that referenced Every Thing on the whole drawing.... ….20:00….'Trolls'....Hella-good comment..!!
@emanekaf4107 4 жыл бұрын
im learning so much!!! thank you
@penpal222 2 жыл бұрын
Big fan, you're Learning me my new trade
@jimktrains0 4 жыл бұрын
Sorry if this was referenced in another comment, but surface places can be made by taking three arbitrary plates and grinding them against each other. The only common surface between 3 arbitrary surfaces is a flat one. So, the surface plate flatness need not be a copy of a copy of a copy...of flatness. Thank you for these series. They're really well done, very clear, and cover the topics, like your newer lubricants video that are just glossed over because they become second nature.
@Cabmaker 4 жыл бұрын
Laquer thinner works good on dykem also for removal and cleaning
@domaves4043 4 жыл бұрын
Yes I watch the last vid. ToT got my happy squaring stock.
@Blondihacks 4 жыл бұрын
Tony’s video on squaring is excellent!
@0psi736 4 жыл бұрын
Shots at woodworkers in the last few videos... At first I thought it was just fun. Now methinks maybe an old flame is one. 😀
@CTXSLPR 4 жыл бұрын
Another advantage of granite over a metal surface plate is granite will just chip vs. “push a burr” so if you do damage it, it’s virtually impossible to get a high spot.
@automaticsteve9548 4 жыл бұрын
While sitting here watching this video, working my way through a 6'er of Black & Tan's, it got me to thinking of the stuff we used to use "back in the day" call Prussian Blue Dye.......I wonder if Dykem is the same thing...? Hell-a-flat!! I love it!!!!
@desmofan1864 4 жыл бұрын
We used Prussian Blue for checking contact between parts but not for layout. Dykem makes less of a mess but tbh I've never tried using Blue for layout.
@anarcowhatever 4 жыл бұрын
Prussian blue is just a name for the color shade. Like Ferrari red, emerald green, etc...
@desmofan1864 4 жыл бұрын
@@anarcowhatever I had to google this because I don't recall the brand everyone has in shop, but "non-drying Prussian Blue fitting compound" is what I was referring to. Saying "Prussian Blue" is a shorthand.* :edit: so there is possible confusion at least on my part. Also, they came in little silver tubes but brand, no idea.
@automaticsteve9548 4 жыл бұрын
@@anarcowhatever Incorrect. Travel back in time about 45 years and you will understand what I am referring to.
@automaticsteve9548 4 жыл бұрын
@@desmofan1864 Yep. Used in 3 angle valve jobs (and others) back in the day to determine contact points.
@rcx575 3 жыл бұрын
Surface plates are unique that they don't need an infinite number of previous references that go back to some primary source, because if you grind two plates together then they will always eventually find flatness.
@kevinmartin7760 4 жыл бұрын
Make sure you shake the Dykem before use. I had some that had "faded" to the point of uselessness and I found that most of the pigment had settled to the bottom of the jar.It is also available in black and IIRC red. I find that the spotting dye used when scraping is much messier that the Dykem because it never dries.
@thomasherbig 4 жыл бұрын
Great tip. Thanks!
@markstegemeyer4976 4 жыл бұрын
"only good enough for the woodworkers..." ZING!!
@graemebrumfitt6668 4 жыл бұрын
Happy New One Quinn. TFS, G :)
@ADBBuild 4 жыл бұрын
Have you ever seen an optical center punch? They are super cool and work great for center punching very accurately.
@BeekersSqueakers 4 ай бұрын
"Hella flat" I feel seen. Thank you for that lol
@JorgeStolfi 4 жыл бұрын
Actually there is a process to make flat surfaces without any prior reference. One makes three plates A, B, C, and rubs them in pairs, in all three combinations, with fine abrasive
@robertbownes6718 4 жыл бұрын
Jorge Stolfi just ask Tom Lippman at oxtools!
@markkoons7488 3 жыл бұрын
The blue cat cracked me up but the 2" square costs $144. Suggestion: a video on how to mill a coffee can full of 2" squares.
@OldtimeIronman 4 жыл бұрын
Oddly satisfying :)
@thinkfirst6431 4 жыл бұрын
Granite surface plates are cut and ground to be flat. Then they are lapped to the surface flatness of the grade you specify or order. Surface plates can be re-lapped in house (generally only plates that are worth the effort or cost). If you want to see the process of surface plate lapping see: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e72hh8uTnsCVmp8.html It is a bit of a snoozer, you don't have to watch the whole thing to get the idea. If you have a lot of plates you can also buy a lap the problem is all of the special tools to actually check the flatness. Sometimes you can find them a auctions at a fraction of the original price, be careful that you inspect the plate to see if it is in good condition. For a low cost surface plate a piece of thick glass has a surprisingly flat surface due to the way most glass plate is made. Gravity does a good job of making glass flat.
@Cancun771 4 жыл бұрын
I have a cast-iron one and left the height gage standing on if for a few months and it actually started rusting where the foot of the height gage was. Haven't dared check if it is actually ruined now but chances are it is =8-((( The silver lining being that you can still use a fairly flatish metal plate to do minor welding jobs on it.
@ssboot5663 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the information!
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