haha. Man, I drug that stinking chair out of my house to the driveway. And I had to take the door off the hinges to get it through the doorway! I thought about just not even going through with it but I couldn't *not* do it. So, I grabbed the drill and got to work. Dedication! 😂😂😂

@@ErinsAudioCorner Treat yourself; have a high quality black/white poster sized print made off your capture ... then have that print matted/framed... and, voilà; the perfect decor for your home theater, etc.

Dude! Bring it!!!! I'd need your help to lift the ridiculous things on the Klippel. LOL. Thanks for watching, man! And feel free to ask any questions if/when something doesn't make sense.

@@ErinsAudioCorner thanks man. I just need to watch more of your videos. You know, drive up that view count! Lol always learning... and yea I'll need help leading them in the truck on my end 😅 stuff that big isn't the easiest! Keep it bud 🤜🏼🤛🏼

This needs to happen! Hopefully you guys can get something worked out.

Hey Erin I have a quick question. I currently have an svs ultra center channel and was thinking of buying one of these for my home theater. Do you think this speaker would be a good upgrade for getting more detail in movies? I want to be able to hear a pin drop in quiet parts. Did you find yourself hearing things in movies that you didn't hear before? Thanks. Love your channel by the way. 😃👍

Do they sound good for music?

@@tweedpenguin712 They sound amazing

@@adam631 do you use subs? What would you recommend on placement? How big is your room?

Sure thing! Here's a link to a series of videos I have on this very thing: kzfaq.info/sun/PLnIxFR_ey0b37Ex4KV2mBz-kYB7QLffR1

@@ErinsAudioCorner Thanks again !!!

Fellow Floridian here

I prefer the 3-ways for sure. The moving waveguide thing can be a concern on some coaxial drivers, but not in this case.

@@robcohen how so? Is the tweeter moving with the cone instead of being fixed?

@@TylerStout I think I misunderstood what you were saying. The 110HT is a coax with a moving waveguide, so IMD issues do apply. Also, a speaker waveguide generally isn't the ideal shape. The 210HT is not coax, so no moving waveguide issues. the 210HTR has a large fixed waveguide, and that coax driver seems to be designed so well that the distortion numbers are incredibly low. I'm not sure how much of a concern the moving waveguide is in practice, though. I think it's more useful to focus on frequency response, off-axis response and dispersion, and output capability. I actually have some 110HTs in boxes soon to be used as surrounds, but I haven't had a chance to hear them, yet.

No plans, per se. But if someone wants to send me some to test then I will.

:)

No idea. Nothing currently planned. If Jeff is willing to send me other stuff then I will.

Please try and get the 212HTR I think they would blow you away compared to these. These are the only main stage speaker in the lineup to not have the ultra high end coaxial compression driver the rest of Jeff’s speakers have.

@@JoshuaPeters3036 If you guys want me to test those then I suggest also reaching out to Jeff and asking if he would be willing to loan me some for review as well.

@@ErinsAudioCorner Ok will do. Thanks for all the content Erin appreciate it greatly. Have you ever heard the JTRs r series with the coaxial compression driver?

@@ErinsAudioCorner one other quick question do you think an Arendal 1723 thx system or a JTR 212 system would have the make up for a better dedicated home theater?Vocal clarity and output are a huge concern to me and my lady.

No immediate plans. Jeff did mention sending me some stuff for review but I don't recall what it was. You can contact Jeff to see if he'd be willing to send me some loaners.

haha! You're welcome!

I think so. Jeff said he is going to send me some more stuff. Not sure when. But be on the lookout!

@@ErinsAudioCorner Will do!! Thanks again!!

Both 212RT and Captivator 4000ULF have already been reviewed.

You guys would have to talk to Jeff @ JTR about that. But I'd be down if he wants to loan me a pair to review.

That was suggested by someone else so I'll just copy/paste my reply: I don't think the screen would provide enough attenuation. Certainly not for me. I use a DIY screen for my HT and when I tested it some years back, it didn't result in more than 1-2dB of attenuation, max. I did a quick google search to see what data is available for more popular screens and it looks like that still holds true. Now, a combination of toe-out / in + a screen with enough attenuation might work to provide what is needed but I doubt it would be enough. Especially not 3-5dB of attenuation (a screen with such attenuation would be a terrible design). I wouldn't rely on the screen to be enough on its own if you wanted to aim the speakers on-axis. With all that said, the majority of installs I see with the JTR speakers have them aimed into the room which would cause HF attenuation at the MLP (and some a larger degree of attenuation at the side seats from the opposite side speaker).

BTW, I'm guessing your screenname is in reference to the band and I love that band. 😉 If it's in reference to the firearm, then disregard.

@@ErinsAudioCorner A tribute to the lovely .38 special cartridge! Never heard the band.

If you have to go with a horizontal center channel, then I think the Q650c is worth your consideration for sure. Generally, I suggest ordering from a retailer you can return it to if you don't like it (for some reason).

@@ErinsAudioCorner Follow up question, I just checked on FBMP and someone in my neighborhood is selling the KEF R11,R2C, R5(bookshelf) for ~$4K, he still has the boxes. Is this deal well worth it? I haven't heard you mention the R2C yet

JTRs 18’s play crazy decibels like the PA but with all the content down to below 10 hz in room. Depends if you want to not only hear Godzilla but feel Godzilla.

@@JoshuaPeters3036 OK get it, I want to feel Godzilla!

When you get into 15” or 18” territory you can really save money on diy builds. If you’re going that big, there’s no reason to compromise on low end frequency extension. Start with two subs and you may not need more. If you love movies and haven’t experienced authoritative 20hz and below, you’re truly missing out. Once you hear it/feel it, you’ll understand. Doesn’t even have to be crazy SPL to really appreciate it either.

@@NakeanWickliff What woofer are you using for your builds?

@@JoshuaPeters3036 I found a couple Dayton ultimax um18-22’s for sale for $500 for the pair plus a 1kw crown amp. Crazy score. Then paid like $120 a piece for the sealed flat packs. Picked up one more crown amp used xls1502. I don’t even look at subs anymore. I LOVED my used SVS sb2000 all by itself for quite a while. It hit below 20hz in my room but ran out of steam when I was really cranking it.

I did reach out to JBL to see if they'd be willing to provide me with a loaner set of some of the 6-series. No reply as of yet. But I do know other ways to get them from dealers so it should be a possibility.

No. I’m not sure about these new 210hts. Once you step up from this bottom tier to any of the 6 models of the r series even psa owners will tell you JTR is an upgrade.

I heard the PSAs, they're garbage. I'm not a huge fan of the JTRs either, but I'd rather have the JTR by far.

BIC4LYFE! 😁

What do you suggest then?

Oohh

Oh sh*t!!! 😂😂😂

@@JoshuaPeters3036 These 210s may be JTRs most modest offering, but they're still 2,000USD. For that price, they should measure and sound better. To answer your question: In 2019, at AXPONA, I heard the 212RTs... so basically the tower version of that. They were good performers for such a large space, but nothing I'd put in a typically sized home theater. Everyone there was blown away by their performance, but I really am starting to believe a lot of these guys are older and have been getting bigger and bigger speakers and are starting to damage their hearing (or it's just from old age). The 212RTs narrow dispersion worked much better in the large AXPONA demo space though, basically reiterating that these would be a better choice for very large rooms where people are seated far away. In the average basement people are putting these into, IMO it's a bad choice in speakers. Obviously I'm a minority in this opinion, because people overall love them. I think the subwoofers are excellent, I think the iterative approach he does to design on the speakers is a little concerning and makes me think that he's not really validating his designs very well before putting them out. IMO he should design a speaker for smaller rooms that will have a wide dispersion and sound more spacious, but I imagine the margins are better in making larger and larger stuff. I saw now there is RTJ which is for installers and it's an even bigger speaker. Maybe in a theater with 5+ rows they make sense. 20-30ft seating distances, etc. But I see the tiny little theaters people on AVS toss these into and I just have to assume they're deaf lol.

@@JoshuaPeters3036 Yep! It can come down to preference. I just noticed a lot of the people loving them were older in that demo. They weren't all VERY old, but you could also tell the people in love with them were loudness junkies that probably already messed up their hearing. I have JTR subs with focal mains. So, I'm not anti-JTR. I think their subs are great, their speakers are just getting put into too small of rooms and are too bright. He could design a wider dispersion speaker that is still high sensitivity and voice it more neutral. I say the people loved it, but, it was a very focused group of people. I think if you got a wider sample people would prefer better measuring speakers... at least that's what the research says.

@@JoshuaPeters3036 Yeah, that's kind of my point. social media becomes an echo chamber where bad products get a big following just because they're loud and used to be reasonably priced. bright speakers tend to wow people in demos, but are awful to actually own. so now you have people paying 2 grand each for speakers that measure like this. Glad you like your speakers though, i don't really g.a.f. as long as you're happy (it's become obvious your posts are copes)

They're not linear but I don't know where you're getting ±10dB.

@@ErinsAudioCorner in the graph at 5:29 green line(top) its pluss minus 10db from 100hz to 20khz, dip at 500hz to 87db and peak at 20khz to 97db.

Jtr much better

Ya I was hoping for measurements from the 212HTR or Rt. I wish they would have agreed on doing one of Jeff’s higher end rendering considering most people going JTR want the best. The 212’s measure super flat and super clean through all ranges.

I am no expert but those seem to measure better than the RTs.. Off axis seem to more uniformly follow the on axis allowing for better EQ.

Matthew is a JTR kiss***. Even his measurements show as you move off axis the speakers have a tilted up response. In a typical home theater this isn't what you want. You need wide dispersion that falls off evenly. Average dude with JTRs has maybe two rows that are three or four seats wide... these speakers are a bad choice for that. And they're bright.

@@commanderrussels2612 Matt's videos on Audioholics show he has a preference for narrow speakers and those work well/best with surround sound home theater. He's also backed this up with the whys. So your comments about wide dispersion with HT seem at odds with this. Usually with strictly 2 channel setups there may be a preference for wide dispersion.

@@SorikuXIII Yeah, he's wrong. Wider dispersion is better in smaller rooms, generally speaking. You want nice off-axis response to create reflections that help make the room feel bigger. With JTRs speakers you get bright off-axis response until you get muffled off-axis response. That designs would work better in an auditorium than a home theater.

Tbf I'm not sure how many people own this model. Most people are going for the R series and/or the subwoofers. The subs being a different can of worms.

The first one: no. The second one: yes.