Sawyer from Montana here, that Mitch Zenobi guy is a badass. I don't think I've seen someone fell so precisely with such little effort ever in my life. Fun video, thanks

I'm really digging the direction of this new channel and how it's playing out. It really showcases the personalities in the tree work industry. It keeps it "fresh", that's an old 80's term for all you youngsters out there. Thanks for sharing Jake and thanks for the long videos. Nothing worse than getting into a video and then poof, it's over. Take care fella!

My youngest son has got this and ported, polished, tuned exhaust using it for one of his milling saws. Its a beast and still kicking after 2 yrs.

I am enjoying watching a new generation of Arborists using the latest technology, tools, gear, and knowledge. Taking tree work to a new level. Sure helps having the internet for getting what you are doing to all of us out there. Am 72, became a licensed Arborist in Ct. back in 1981. Mostly Consult these days, and Tree Warden in my town. In the Ct Statutes outlining the duties of a Tree Warden, the one I am really fond of is “responsible for roadside beauty.” Can’t beat that for part of your job description.

I live in New Zealand, and thoroughly enjoying this new "Guilty of Treeson" KZfaq Channel. You have a relaxing, engaging way of communicating your message. It also looks like you have a real "community" of saw men in your part of the world. Great to watch and hear.

I run a old MS460 that has a big bore 54mm kit on it and it does pretty well. Its a hand-me-down saw that was owned by my father who rebuilt it. It was given to him by an old Korean war vet who actually was the one who taught my dad how to fall and cut trees (when he moved to my state before I was born our house had a wood fireplace and he would buy cords of wood prior to him meeting the family friend.) The family friend passed away at age 88. He was slinging around a old 088 until he was 80 or so. I will always treasure this saw.

10 years ago the clones were 99 bucks free shipping. Bought two and they still run. I even keep them outside in the elements. They always start and run lol

If anyone gets one of these, tuning these was interesting. We put a tach on mine and it was about 8k on the high end. That's how much they had it tuned down. I think we ended up going 11.5-12k to stay safe. Huge difference.

By far the coolest guy you have worked with since stepping away from east side. Keep up the cool vids man 🤙

"I pounded my wedge a little too far. Stupid chinese saw" XD Seemed to handle that 32 inch bar pretty well actually.

That saw held up rather well to be compared to a big ported stihl. My buddy bought a holzforma saw had is 3 years now still runs good. I'm a stilh tech were a licensed Stihl dealer I'm always working on them. Love the content. We're going to buy a couple holzforma saws and throw em into rental see how they hold up.

This is gold!! The 90cc ported saw is sick. I thought Ricky Carmichael was riding by

I bought a Holzfforma G372 about four years ago and it’s now my “Go to” saw. I’m a Stihl guy but I had a Husky bar & chain and for about 190 bucks and free shipping I took a chance. Break them in and get the carb adjusted right and they’re great saws. If need be, there’s always my Stihl 461 to fall back on. Great video. Just subscribed!

Keep in mind, Gents. Apples to Apples. To look at efficiency and speed, you'd need to have the same bar, same chain, and ... same RPM ... for each saw, to have a direct comparison. 90 cc can pull more teeth through a piece of wood, but 75 cc could do it faster, if the RPM's were higher. Sorry, I'm a science guy. Thanks for the video, though. Nice to meet ya, Mitch!

I have the 660 version, for what it is I really like it. Cut a decent amount of wood with it. The cheesy little gas can for mine though was a mix jug. Filled the small side to the line for the ratio you want and the bog side with gas then shake the can and it auto mixes. Cheesy but cool lol

That big Stihl was insanely powerful. It went through a huge trunk like butter.

Happy to help you out (💰) and I really love this channel,it covers all aspects of the tree removal process. Good luck to everyone that entered the raffle.

The main thing that you get from the Farmertec/Holzfforma products is inconsistency, which is likely because they skimp on quality assurance as a way to drop the price point. So some people say they're great and some people say they're junk because that's what their individual unit was like. But because they're completely compatible clones, you can swap OEM or other aftermarket parts on to them, and some choice replacements with OEM can make all the difference. In particular, the aftermarket carbs are really hit-or-miss, so replacing it with an OEM can make a world of difference and the saw will still be a great deal.

The ported 660 is just such a hot saw 😂😂😂. Just when i was like, man that thing’s doing good, then outcomes the 660. Terrible comparison but great to see the difference 😂. Love the vid

I've had a blue 372xp clone with a 52mm big bore kit for over 2 years now and well over 60gallon of fuel. No real issues. Pull cord broke (that happens on OEM too) Now I have 4 clone 372s and a real 372 as well People tend to hate these saws. But if you actually spend time with them. They ain't so bad I've had great success

Reading forces of standing wood is one thing but reading forces in laying wood is often far more complex! We can fuss and fuss over how to fell the tree then move into bucking with no regard or fear of the outcome. All said I enjoy your videos and you do quality work!

That Mitch has mad skills! Great video Jacob, your editing just keeps getting better and better 👍 👍

I feel like this is the saw you keep in your truck box of your pick up if you live in a rural area but go into town a lot. Or on your tractor/atv. Its good enough and big enough to do some unexpected work or clear a fallen tree off the road but cheap enough where if stolen or damaged you don't lose too much sleep over it.

Even though it wasn’t stock I was honestly surprised how well that saw held up, especially after attaching the 32” bar. A good chain on a shitty saw goes a long way.

Your boy Paul Bunyan rocking the Stihl logo on his helmet like he’s in the NFL No wonder he hates on blue thunder

You can definitely tell Mitch has been behind a stump a few times. Great job guys!

36:00 the MOST satisfying cut I've seen haha

Had my eye on one these for a few months now, cool to see more content on KZfaq about these saws.

From what I've seen with these and the NeoTec, they seem like they'd be good for people who need bigger saws occasionally, but can't justify the $1000-1500 price point of a Stihl. Plus, I think they'd be a good option for a saw that you can upgrade with better parts here and there over time...

I’ve said it before but I would really love a review on the 592 as well! I prefer your reviews because the saw actually gets used and worked instead of cutting a few cookies. Thanks for another great video - they keep getting better and better 😀

@25:45 great advice, after watching your vids I tackled a few smaller gum trees all leaning on a hill. They kept falling the opposite way which was not a problem as we were in the bush and knew it was going that way. Great tip to avoid that

I've had 3 460's ...they are great light saw's, for limbing and running around with a 24" bar compared to the 660/880 ... with a barker box and square ground chain it's my favourite saw.

i bought the 372xp clone 3 years ago and the 272 clone 2 years ago have ran the saws hard maintained them never had a single issue im gonna be buying more soon probably the mt200 clone to replace my actual mt200 i love the holzfforma saws and you can replace parts on them with oem sthil and husky parts also might get the same saw you have in this video keep up the good content!!!

Enjoyed the video - you folks are having way too much fun. Really appreciate the narrative explaining why you do things the way you do. Cheers and all the best!

Love the videos!!! I bought a g660 over a month ago. It's working great so far . Knock on wood! Lol I really like it actually. I am a stihl guy but can't afford that big saw from stihl.

Man.. I'm sooo sorry for your loss... I'm gonna start watching this channel now... And forever

I have a g444 (ms440 clone). I’ve probably cut 50+ cords of hardwoods and dropped some trees with it. I’ve had to replace the handle since it bent and the worm gear just broke (replaced with a Amazon no name). It almost keeps up with my ms462 with a 25” bar. And I don’t have to worry about a $1100+ saw bouncing around when I’m on my tractor.

UGH!!! missed the raffle!! It's ok though really loving the new channel, thanks for sharing all the fun and really great info/instruction/tech tips.

I appreciate the fall that was takin to get that good angle down the log😁👍. 99% of viewers will never understand the forethought & effort it takes to put together an entertaining video. The excessive amount of preplanning & extra work that goes into just recording these videos is insain, and that's not including the crazy amount of time it takes to edit a video. Good stuff, but I'll stick to my orange & white saws. Use whatever it takes to get it done though.... STAY SAFE

The little bottle they come with is a mixing bottle. They work really well if you only need a bit of fuel or need to mix a richer or leaner mix for something specific. Edit as a stihl technician. I’ve seen brand new 462 500 and 390 blown up after a few hours.

I have a G660 3rd generation that has about 6 tanks of gas through it. From the store it ran rich and I left it there for two tanks and leaned it some. It’s running strong on 24 to 30 inch rounds so far.

Thanks for another great hour of entertainment, Jake! Barkbox, isn’t that also a dog toy subscription box service? lol

Got me a 660 blue boy , also have 4 of the real ones . Blue boy in box till rainy day . Got my son the 372 blue boy . And he has had no problems with it . Always been a husky , jonsered guy . Loving the 2165. And 2172 ,great saws in my book . Finaly broke down got a 462cm . After 30 trees down with it . I’m thinking this is now my favorite saw . At 58 and 138 lbs .my 661 all day gets to my little hips and shoulder . The suspension in 462 is incredible . As for the blue boys ,put oem chain tensioner , better spikes . And if carb needs adjusting a lot . Buy the walbro or tillotson real carb for it and you should not have any issues . Can’t say it’s as good as stihl or husky , but price wise , with new carb and tensioner . For weekend guy it’s no brainer .its literally a third of the price from real. But it’s not quite a real one .

@Guilty of Treeson. Great video Jake. Daymn....that Cedar was GONE!! into the ravine = crazy hinge wood on that one! That was a cool face cut Mitch did = plunge face ✂️, never saw that before. We need to start a gofundme to get Mitch a Warne fiberglass step 🪜 💯🇺🇸😅

Thanks for the fun video, and for *not* being yet another gear snob who labels these blue saws trash without even owning one. 👍 I got the G388 (038 mag clone) a couple of months ago. Besides an easy repair to the kill switch it's been great.

I think it is so great that you get to travel and check out how other men like Mitch work. I am sure you learn something new everywhere you go. Great job!

Heard you were from the NW! Born in Morton currently live in Preston always good to see another Washingtonian! Digging the channel my friend

I picked up a g660 about 2 years ago for home use. I've not had a single issue with it. Always starts, runs well, hasn't failed me at all. My buddy got one and had some fuel leaks he needed to fix right away.

This comment is not relevant to the saw, but I wanted to say last year my m390 blew up and I replaced it with a m462-cm and immediately put WCS dogs and barkbox on it. After cutting with for a season I'm a customer for life. Gordy makes excellent products that actually perform as intended and described.

Jake you make some great videos man!! Thanks for all the info on your falling and the saws!! It’s so helpful

First US logger i see on KZfaq who is cutting like a professional. Good work buddy!

Oh man, such top quality content... thanks for taking the time to make itl!

Unreal work men!.love this video. Bin dumping decent alders for five yrs now and never tried a plunge..I am super inexperienced and can’t wait to limit my barber chairs next year .

Always better off being safe ( the hollow tree ) I was thinking about buying one of those blue saws myself so this was a great video for me thank you.

I built one of their 660 kit saws last year. Also upgraded to their big bore kit. Big box of parts with no instructions. And no labels on parts or hardware. Lot of fun and some frustration. Couple of issue's. Had to replace a few parts right off the bat before running. The carb was junk. No amount of tuning helped. Replaced with a stock 660 carb. Few other small parts got replaced. Run's strong. Seems reasonable reliable. Leaks a little gas and oil. I'm sure I'll blow it up or break something sooner or later. But stihl fun to build.

I gotta say for a 76cc compared to a ported 96 it carried that aggressive chain without bogging much, just wanna see long-term use and overall life expectancy of a knock off

Looks like the Chiner saw did ok. I have an 046 Stihl that I've been running for 27 years. Starter ropes and clutches are the only thing it's ever needed, besides routine maintenance. It has thousands of hours on it. Still runs great and has 135 lbs of compression. I'll run it till she blows. Might buy a Chiner saw.

Loved this vudeo!!! Mitch is an animal and Ryan is top notch 👌 next time have Ryan port the next "Blue Thunder" to see what she's got 💯

Was upset about the China neesians steeling from Stihl So glad you mentioned legally purchasing the expired patents. How cool is that. I felt instantly better. As an attorney for 34 years who likes to relax with outdoor clean up, yet still learning to saw. You grow up being taught only to learn you know NOTHING. Trying to avoid Barber Chairs in southern pines. Thank you for the outstanding job you do in your videos. Accolades well deserved. Excited to learn more. : )

Really enjoyed the vid, I’ve considered one of the blue thunders for milling, and as a power pull power head. I haven’t done a lot of falling in recent years, so fun to see some techniques I never even knew about. Stay safe.

Some fantastic shots of the shock-wave when driving wedges in this video. Awesome stuff guys!

I'm just here to watch trees be dropped, saws sing songs, axes be swung. It's beautiful

You guys are awesome I can watch you work all day. Great sense of humor plus I learnt a lot. Thanks.

Just watching you two it's so informative. Really see some cool methods on falling. Like how you jab the blade in the back so it leaves a safety hold... then cut the back fully til it falls. One thing I didn't know is. Calling any chainsaw stock... never knew chainsaws can be beefed up so much and modded

I think you're finding your groove again! Enjoying seeing all the different people and areas you're visiting. I like gear reviews like this where you just use it and can compare to the name brand or pro version.

I love watching these videos. I lived in Sequim from 2011 until about 10 months ago when I moved out to TN. Makes me home sick.

I bet these guys like playing with eachothers wood, most flamboyant tree cutters

Those clone saws have come a long way in the last few years, for the firewood guy the cost is pretty good

I would of loved an update on this saw after a few weeks of use

Mitch's saw eats through that tree like a hot knife in butter!

Thoroughly enjoyed this one. Good humor, editing and educational content.

Hey Jacob I love your channel, keep up the good work man! Nice to see someone put videos up of saw actually being used for more than just making biscuits

I gotta be honest, you really do need to do a review of the Husqvarna 592. I'm looking to buy one, and I'd really rather you do the leg work to see if its worth it. :-) I trust you more than anyone else around these parts.

Such a great explanation at 10.06. Love your videos, explanations and humility. 👍😃😃😃

Could've easily edited the fall off the log out. Showing your humanity speaks volumes to me. Well done 👏. Good review as well. Keep doing you.....and you're going to surpass your old channel faster than you ever imagined, Jake.

One of my fac vids so far lol. The t shirt is great. I feel more human knowing you also stumble off logs lol. My clone 660 has a little bit of a metal ring to it after break-in but it's still stump cuttin like the little engine that could

Awesome video, and I love how you take the time to explain everything you did and why.

I’ve got a 92cc 28”bar it’s a beast cut lots of fire wood With it have a friend blew his up right away . Started it up set cold saw in big wood and ripped on it cold every time. Lasted about four hours, right at the exhaust wiped out cylinder wall.

Wow, you really know how to “sizzle the deal” 😂 love it, always get a laugh watching your vids 👌🏻

The only thing to replace on them is the decompression valve they arent as well made as the stihl ones and if they fall apart they put a beating on the piston

You guys make this stuff look easy. Any novice (like me) who's tried to use a chainsaw knows exactly what I'm talking about.

I always liked it when they said All these must go.

Always remember when u are bucking, always do your compression cuts first before doing anything else, just pointing that out for future reference.

This is really cool, it would be awesome to see how it ran with a stihl or aftermarket carb, even after he adjusted it, it still didn't sound right on the top end honestly

Hey I’m in Wildland firefighting and we’ve been using and abusing the 592 Xp and the weight to power is impressive in my opinion the only problem we’ve had is recently it’s been having a slow leak of gas coming from the motor

I remember have a big branch come down over our drive way years ago and my chainsaw was in for repairs and I was so broke and desperate to get the branch off the drive way that I spent $90 on a small budget chainsaw. It cut up the branch great but then never started again after that.

I got mine 2 years ago. My only problem so far was the chain tensioner. It was pot metal. I put a stihl tensioner in it. No more problems. With anything else. Im a happy customer. Saved 900$

Thanks for the video. I purchased an 090 clone years ago when I started to slab but low on funds and found that they perform very poorly after a while of cutting. Could get through a few slab but was a fight to continue once it was hot. If you got to get cutting, go for it but take some time and save for a real saw.

I would buy one in an instant, but with shipping, customs and taxes the blue 660 is about $200 cheaper than the 661. No (useable) warranty, no service - not worth it imo. But if you have a retailer that saves you the customs and shipping and the 661 is not as cheap as around here...

I finally remembered where I saw some of this before, the live stream back in March. Great carvings from the old stumps.

I bought a new Blue Max chainsaw (also chinese) off a neighbor several years ago for $120. He got 2 by accident but only paid for 1 and sold me the extra one. I rarely need to use a chainsaw so I wasn't too worried about it. Never had any issues with it. Still have it and it works. The saw in this video looks almost exactly like it, blue and all. Probably made by the same factory.

Nice video, enjoy this kind of videos, not that the "usual job" ones were bad or anything. I have a real qustion, is there even a quality american chainsaw brand? Since Stihl is german, Husqvarna is swedish and Echo is japanese i can´t think of any. (I live in Europe where "made in germany" means a bit more than "made in the USA" tbh)

Lol, think I'll stick to German made or Sweden made. As Americans we need to stop buying Chinese anyhow.great vid bro .

I grew up in Michigan heating with wood stoves, so I've cut my share of wood. But I love how a professional can make felling trees seem so effortless. 💪🇺🇲

What's really amazing is that both young men walked away without being attacked by an angry squirrel tribe. 🐿 🐿 🐿 I was listening for "chatter" and heard nothing. 👍

It's worth noting that the Chinese make everything. This includes many (or all) of the OEM parts for the name brands. The Chinese don't make crap, they make the best stuff in the world, the worst stuff in the world, and everything in between. It's just that the nice stuff is rebranded with some name brand company and the crap is left with the Chinese branding.

This guy (Mitch) always has the sharpest hottest saws it seems. Every time he's been in a video his saws eclipse everyone else's. I want to know exactly what he's done to them. Can anyone tell me why timber fellers out West seem to leave such a high stump? Is it because the mill doesn't want the end with butt swell? Or does it have something to do with the sap collecting at the base of the tree.

I was a ground man loved the Poulon and Homelite mid range in the 80's, then I got introduced to Stihl, very smooth!

Lmfao the cord knot broke at the end of the day 🤣

Stop using "cloning"; way too nice of a word. Stealing is more appropriate, it is OK to use because that is what they did and have always done. I would have a hard time believing husqvarna and stihl just let patents go without some form of ownership still. Those commenters on your intstagram are probably chinese state actors making history fit their needs 😉