BMW 320d 2012 (F30) Full test and ownership review

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8 жыл бұрын

What's it like to live with a modern Three Series? I've written about this car in BMW Car Magazine for the past three years, here I go through the drive and the ownership experience.

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@Realtid1 6 жыл бұрын

That was probably one of the best review i seen in ages. Well done, and thanks!

@markscars1069 6 жыл бұрын

Nygren Cheers

@kirwanjohn101 4 жыл бұрын

I think this is one of the most honest reviews I have heard in a long time!, thank you

@markscars1069 4 жыл бұрын

Cheers

@howardroark4227 2 жыл бұрын

What a great review! Thank you!

@herbertmurillo1493 5 жыл бұрын

Excellent review, thank you.

@Daniel_Anthony 4 жыл бұрын

Brilliant review

@SonOfZeuz 5 жыл бұрын

Great video, very informative, I have a 2008 version of this car and am considering upgrading it.

@marcinh6848 7 жыл бұрын

I found myself nodding in agreement to almost all comments. One of better videos I was able to find about BMW 3 series. If not THE best. GOOD JOB! And good impressions just increase while watching. WOW!

@markscars1069 6 жыл бұрын

Marcin H Cheers

@AngeloGuardia 5 жыл бұрын

Awesome review man!

@ParallaxRS 3 жыл бұрын

What a great review! So much better than 90% of reviews out there that focus on numbers and comparisons. This really gave me a feel of what it's actually like to own one. There's a calmness in your approach that's so informative. A lot of car reviewers say '3 series is a lot like the A4 to drive'. How is that supposed to help me when I've driven neither?! You, however really give a great base-level explanation!

@markscars1069 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers, appreciated

@ParallaxRS 3 жыл бұрын

@@markscars1069 No problem, Mark! What was the reliability like in the time you owned the 320d? Looking to replace a Mk6 Golf with one and have heard varying reports about BMWs and their servicing/issues with them? Cheers!

@genichiroashina6372 5 ай бұрын

Great review still in 2024

@tomaszstanczak9326 5 жыл бұрын

Hi Mark, I found your review one of the best. Could you test the new 3, 2019? I would be very thankful. Have a good year!

@adamwnt 7 жыл бұрын

very good and honest review, thanks

@motheolebelo 4 жыл бұрын

Good useable review Mark and it is still relevant for a buyer out there looking into getting a F30 320d

@markscars1069 4 жыл бұрын

Motheo Lebelo Thanks, appreciated. More content due soon.

@speelspeelslim8825 7 жыл бұрын

Fantastic review thanks!!

@markscars1069 7 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@9harvington 7 жыл бұрын

Just had my 2014 320d (F30) Auto serviced at 24,000 miles. Still under warranty so took it to a BMW dealer. No problems except the charge - just over £500! Don't love it quite so much any more.

@iamkhanyasakawuli 6 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much for a very decent review. I was able to tune in and not lose interest for the entire duration of the video review. You've given me something to think about as I decide on buying a BMW 320d Automatic (F30). Hopefully you'll have a review on your 5 Series by the time I decide to upgrade to one too. By the way, I'm from South Africa. 👌

@G4RY1159 Жыл бұрын

Very professional review fella, been look for a 2nd hand car even before the lockdowns but I'm very hard to please, had a few Audi's in my years but never owned or even driven a BMW, tell a lie ''i Think'' i drove an old boss of mines maybe back in the late 80's but my memory is slipping with age. A place near me has a nice looking 32d Luxury and have thot about giving it a view in person, I don't see any mention in the add about service history so if that was missing it would be a no deal. The Market just now still appears to be a touch WILD with exaggerated prices for high mileage cars, I do have a look on ebay but that place is a real minefield / wild west. Enjoyed you're review so many thanks.

@fraservalley9027 3 жыл бұрын

Enjoyed your review Mark. I have a 2015 model year 328i, petrol and I believe you would have enjoyed that car far more. It has 240 hp and is brisk off the line and does not feel underpowered. I am a fan of the ZF automatic with the 328, it is brilliant piece of engineering. I have been told that BMW improved the sound insulation for a quieter road ride, but I have not driven the 2012, so I do not know for certain. Look forward to more of your reviews. Cheers!

@arlind530d 5 жыл бұрын

I agree the f30 is very bad insulated wind and road noise is very annoying but after awhile your ears will get used to it, i have to say ive owned the e91 lci its amazing how much quieter that car is inside

@luisrodrigues1630 3 жыл бұрын

A great review this one is

@thereformedreader 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this. I needed a good solid review. I'm not a big petrol head and am looking for an estate as my second car for commuting to work. I love he look of the touring model and your review shows the a lot of the up sides I'm looking. Will probably be looking at one with about 80000 miles on it and will keep it all being well for a few years if it gives me no bother.

@markscars1069 3 жыл бұрын

Robert Palmer Beware the infamous timing chain death rattle on a 320d N47 engine at that mileage

@thereformedreader 3 жыл бұрын

@@markscars1069 thank you. Will do.

@mercoboulotdodo 7 жыл бұрын

Great honest review there!

@markscars1069 7 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@mercoboulotdodo 7 жыл бұрын

***** Oh btw, I drove the all new 1 series and I found the plastics on the doors, dashboard and door handles really cheap... Are they the same on the 3 series?

@cipoSVK 7 жыл бұрын

To be absolutely honest, in my 320d 2012 they are, what's even worse, is the scrooping coming out of it. It seems that bumpy Slovakian roads did their job and it's super annoying.

@chopin4321 6 жыл бұрын

just love it... effortless power delivery from low revs... musical... very secure car...light sensation... flies... very musical,,,, had 320d for years... and will never change model...lots of fun... just has perfect equilibrium... i find it somehow safer than the rest...

@markscars1069 5 жыл бұрын

Javier Serralta San Martin Musical? Really?

@noksukowwhitewarrior730 5 жыл бұрын

Mpg mixed driving?

@mattalewis13 3 жыл бұрын

thinking of getting one as my first car

@blazmarjan 3 жыл бұрын

Same, i was thinking of buying 335 but since i got my liscence half a year ago and i'm still a little scared all the power i'v decided either 320 or 325

@jj-fk9ez 3 жыл бұрын

honestly kind wish i got the 320d instead of the 328i lol

@blazmarjan 3 жыл бұрын

@@jj-fk9ez why's that?

@jj-fk9ez 3 жыл бұрын

@@blazmarjan eeh honeslty man i was in the same boat as you and wanted a 335 cause it was gonna be my first car. i opted for the 328i cause it was cheaper, insurance was cheaper, and its still a pretty decently fast car. where I live gas prices aren't really cheap, so at the moment in my life I feel like the 320d maybe would just be overall cheaper as well? ik that the 320d is much slower than both the 328i, and 335i, but its purely just a financial standpoint in my opinion. with the 320d you still get all the nonperformance things orientated with a BMW 3 series tho which is nice.

@blazmarjan 3 жыл бұрын

@@jj-fk9ez thank you for info

@MrWojas92 Жыл бұрын

I own a 2013 estate version of this car with a full M-package also 184hp. This is my 1st serious toy and i have to say i am more then satisfied then i expected. Jumping from a 2008 ford transit into this it really didn't take me that long to figure what every single button does. It's reasonably economic, it has enough punch when you need it and it's extremely comfortable. I think i couldn't have made a better decision getting this vehicle.

@do365nic Жыл бұрын

you should get it mapped. it costs about 500 dollars and it will give you 245hp

@danielosdinia4258 Жыл бұрын

@@do365nic Dollars? just speak about Pound, dude!

@oceanside9508 4 ай бұрын

@@do365nic, I would not have it mapped if you want the car to last as long as possible. I’d say this diesel power plant is stressed enough as is. It’s already dishing out respectable power. Long story short, it just not worth to have your engine konk out for 65 extra horses.

@amaanramzan7437 28 күн бұрын

I’m about to buy one 181bhp 2012 msport 320d is this a good buy and reliable and fun to drive

@samnnamani 2 жыл бұрын

Wow. Now this is how to review a car. Mate, please you are what we need, besides Matt Watson.

@lyndon8353 7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for taking the time to make such a detailed review. I am looking to pick a used 320d up but not wanting to spend the earth ... any advice on what to look for? Are the models without adaptive dampers still worth it?

@markscars1069 7 жыл бұрын

The issue I would suggest you check for is rattling steering columns which are becoming an issue. I had it on mine, cause initially flummoxed the dealer but they made it better eventually without ever really curing it. Over sharp ridges you will hear and slightly feel, a rattle in the suspension area. Sounds exactly like an ARB bush but is, in fact, the column.

@joshsymons7524 3 жыл бұрын

Had one for 2 years, absolutely love it! Plenty of punch (before & after the remap), love the manual, especially on a B road. 👌🙌

@MattHowlett_ Жыл бұрын

how did u find it after being remapped did u notice much difference

@joshsymons7524 Жыл бұрын

@@MattHowlett_ big difference. Lots of available power & torque. Effortless. Would definitely recommend

@MattHowlett_ Жыл бұрын

@@joshsymons7524 nice was deciding between the 320 and 330 but don’t fancy pay the extra insurance etc so will probs get a 320 and Remap so still get the mpg when driving casually

@joshsymons7524 Жыл бұрын

@@MattHowlett_ That would be the better option. Decent tyres for good traction and a remap, plenty of power! Would be worth running quotes for a 330 stock and a 320 with a map.. see what is cheaper

@jam06477 4 жыл бұрын

I own the 328d (320d) in America. I bought the car because it does many things well as a family car. It had the highest MPG for a AWD car. I learned a few things from 9 years of Acura TSX ownership…. No more manual shift for my everyday car and don't buy a car with black interior.

@fergalfoley6718 Жыл бұрын

Great review, Mark Looking at the same car in grey ! I'm wondering if to buy or not ?? To upgrade from my 2010 Mondeo 2.0 140ps even though it is going very well !

@spykar7015 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Mark, that was an in depth, interesting review! I came across your review as I am looking for my next car. I previously owned a (problemfree) Golf gt and now I am between 320d and Passat bitdi 240ps, 4motion (both used, same price and mileage). What would be your choice? Take into account apart from "driving pleasure" everyday use, running costs (mpg) and practicallity. I 'd really appreciate your opinion!

@markscars1069 4 жыл бұрын

spy kar Hi, if you’re at all interested in driving dynamics, then the BMW all day long. Cheers.

@zoky0971 6 жыл бұрын

I bought mine 3 days ago. 184hp is more than enough for security and actual speed limits. It is personal choise as there is 116hp motors and it is enough for someone. Like your review but there is a lot more from this car that you did not mention.

@arlind530d 5 жыл бұрын

bimmer3 auto or manual ?

@Birmingham_racing 4 жыл бұрын

It's a de tuned 2 litre so if you remap if there's big gains to be had

@zoky0971 4 жыл бұрын

@@arlind530d Manual...next will be auto G20 330i

@radu01 6 жыл бұрын

Can't wait to see his 5 Series haha

@danielosdinia4258 Жыл бұрын

I have been driving a 2017 Msport edition of these 320d model for the past 6 years and I am a bit confused that you complain about lack of power. The car is a great mix of power and economy though you can't expect it to be as fast as a 6 cylinder 330e. Thanks for review anyway.

@markscars1069 Жыл бұрын

F30 hybrid was a four pot I thought? And bear in mind the fat rear tyres on mine meant 190hp was insufficient to move the car around in the dry, which is the point I made in the vid I think. Cheers.

@JohnnyEssex 7 жыл бұрын

I've had mine remapped by a very reputable tuning place, its running 248bhp and about 330ft/ib in torque, fuel economy a touch better in eco pro and a lot worse in sport lol, 0-60 6.3 seconds (run at santapod)... I would recommend anyone with a 320d get it mapped

@markscars1069 7 жыл бұрын

johnnobone Good numbers. Who did you use?

@JohnnyEssex 7 жыл бұрын

Mark Williams Sa tuning in Harlow where I live, its on par with with e90 330d, cost about £390, they give a turbo and engine warrantee with that too.. I agree with the rest of the review, especially the gearbox, I have to often change down at low speeds in to 1st because 2nd at low speeds is poor, but I love the car..

@gd4187 6 жыл бұрын

What kind of bmw is it? A sports or msport? As I've got a efficiency dynamics (163 bhp) and would like it to reach that level.

@akhmalzainal7435 3 жыл бұрын

Is it worth it for a long run? I'm very interested with 320d... Just a bit scare I'm terms of wear n tear, is it bullet proof enough to be as a daily workhorse

@HerrKonzept 6 жыл бұрын

I really enjoyed your review of the F30. A nice objective review and like most of the comments mention, one of the best reviews of the 320d. Thank you. I'm coming from a 2012 VW Tiguan 1.4. Would you think if this would be a good upgrade?

@markscars1069 6 жыл бұрын

Tanel Pappel Certainly a more incisive drive, yes. Cheers.

@m1geo 6 жыл бұрын

Looking to replace a 2012 Ford Mondeo with a new-ish 2017/2018 BMW 3 Series 320d. I am hoping that the change will get me improved comfort on a 50 mile (each way) daily commute. What kind of mileage would one expect?I tent to sit at 70mph. I like a bit of tech in the car, so your feedback was useful there. Not sure I'll notice the lack of power? How comfortable is the vehicle to drive long distances? Occasionally I drive to the south of Germany (600 miles)? Thanks folks!

@markscars1069 6 жыл бұрын

George Regular 70mph cruising will return well over 50mpg. Non M Sport is better if you want comfort and low noise levels on the commute.

@JB12132 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Mark, I see you are running LED lights? Were they factory and if not can you adives which you are using? Have just picked up a low mileage F31 in Melbourne Red - immaculate. 62 plate. Has them lovely halogens and would be good to hear from someone like yourself as to what you did if anything. Many thanks.

@markscars1069 4 жыл бұрын

Jonathan Bacon Didn’t do anything. They came as part of the visibility pack, Xenons in those days with the daytime running lights/caronas. Also had adaptive lights which were a real boon on unknown roads at night. They weren’t full LEDs though. Those didn’t come until later in BMW’s range.

@satnammann8232 2 жыл бұрын

Great review I’m thinking of purchasing the 320D luxury 2012 now a lot cheaper. Any thoughts?

@markscars1069 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Check the steering rack was done. Check for rodent damage to the wiring loom. Check for timing chain tensioner replacement, iffy on N47 IIRC

@l-abi 5 жыл бұрын

Good review, but a bit annoying how you complain about the power delivery. Get a bigger motor model if you want more performance.

@joelwoolley7063 3 жыл бұрын

Massive cranium

@markscars1069 3 жыл бұрын

Joel Woolley And the biggy biggy massiv’ ?

@kaanerdem2822 5 жыл бұрын

can someone recommend this car (touring) for a men with 3 kids (kids age 9-6-1)? Im considering buying one but dunno if its tight at the back for 3 kids

@chopin4321 6 жыл бұрын

disagree... it is sporty... more than enough for security and actual speed limits.. i find automatic much better... smoother...lower consumption... this car is harmonic...musical...perfect car...best auto

@louisroussos2389 4 жыл бұрын

If you regrade that you bought am interested about to by it 😊😊 is it 184hp?

@Thevoiceofreason84 4 жыл бұрын

Is this the n47 engine with timing chain problems ? How can premature failure be avoided ? More frequent oil changes ?

@markscars1069 4 жыл бұрын

THE.VOICE.OF.REASON There is arguably nothing that can be done other than mechanical sympathy (no revving from cold) to prevent this. It’s almost entirely random.

@eacustomerservices 3 жыл бұрын

Mostly 2012 and 2013 Will encounter this problem.

@Thevoiceofreason84 3 жыл бұрын

Mark's Cars any problems with yours ? What’s the millage on it ?

@dragoscyber3137 4 жыл бұрын

Can you please explain why you say that LED headlights are 10x better than Xenon? Both systems should be assisted, splitting the beams and cornering.

@markscars1069 4 жыл бұрын

Dragos Cyber LED light is clearer and throws farther down the road.

@dragoscyber3137 4 жыл бұрын

@@markscars1069 Thanks for clearing it up. I kept reading forum posts where preferences tend to lean slightly towards xenon.

@azgardian32odinson 2 жыл бұрын

But are they generally reliable?.. looking to pick uo a 320d sport next week at 74k miles diesel.

@markscars1069 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, generally

@markchristopher6889 7 жыл бұрын

Currently looking at a 2013 msport in grey but im torn between the bmw and 2014 golf gtd what would you recommend oh the are both about the same price

@markscars1069 7 жыл бұрын

BMW all day long. The Golf is competent but if you've looked at the F30 then nothing else will do. It's a damn sight bigger inside too (the Golf's boot is tiny).

@markchristopher6889 7 жыл бұрын

***** thanks

@handleby 4 жыл бұрын

when are you adding your 5 series review?

@markscars1069 4 жыл бұрын

Sold it two years ago and didn’t film a review. 520d F10 reviews are around in abundance, wouldn’t have been anything new to add or say. I’m planning on filming a review for the Panamera before that sells, so will upload that at some point soon.

@handleby 4 жыл бұрын

@@markscars1069 that's a shame... there are plenty of 320 reviews out there as well, but your's was different. Looking forward for Panamera review then

@sweeney69728 4 жыл бұрын

Ah Shirley you have something negative to add mark come on that's not like you😂

@zxpug7740 2 жыл бұрын

@Marks cars, do these have automatic folding wingmirrors if so how to make them go in ????

@markscars1069 2 жыл бұрын

If it’s fitted or coded press and hold the lock on the remote. There should also be a button on the door panel ahead of the window lifters.

@zxpug7740 2 жыл бұрын

@@markscars1069 doesn't have button and doesn't work off key suppose doesn't have need to be coded ?

@markscars1069 2 жыл бұрын

@@zxpug7740 Probably no physical hardware installed to make it work then i.e. nothing in the mirror housings.

@moveaxebx 7 жыл бұрын

Hey Mark, I hope you don't mind if I ask, what do yo do for living?

@markscars1069 7 жыл бұрын

moveaxebx No probs, I'm an IT Manager.

@moveaxebx 7 жыл бұрын

I'm a senior software developer and where I live, brand new 320d is way out of reach (I'm on my way to buy a used one). Is that also the case in UK for my job type? By the way, this is a great review. I love to see ordinary people who actually own the car, give reviews. Thank you.

@markscars1069 7 жыл бұрын

moveaxebx Depends on personal circumstance of course but yes, senior devs run 320ds in the U.K. Senior dev in my team has an X3

@moveaxebx 7 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot, Mark. Good luck.

@stprkh_4098 6 жыл бұрын

Hey is this car worth getting having done 100,000 miles? Kind regards

@markscars1069 6 жыл бұрын

satpurkh singh As long as you accept that things WILL go wrong, then yes. It will need the usual raft of diesel-related fixes, plus a new turbo at some point and the F3x steering racks are made of pasta. But there's nothing else inherently wrong with it post-100k miles. I've not understood this worry about 100k miles in modern cars. They're built with vastly higher distances in mind before bottom or top-end rebuilds are needed. Cheers, Mark.

@paulj1932 7 жыл бұрын

If the 320d is 60bhp short of making it a great car, how will your bigger 5 series be with 2ltr diesel?

@markscars1069 7 жыл бұрын

As I've mentioned elsewhere, it benefits through having the auto fitted. It's also demonstrably not a sports saloon, and that changes the mindset.

@TehNouk 5 жыл бұрын

then just buy the 6 cylinder diesel..

@adamd8021 3 жыл бұрын

Do the rear seats fold down in these? Thanks

@markscars1069 3 жыл бұрын

Only if split fold was specified from new.

@danh2310 11 ай бұрын

I find the driving position uncomfortable one leg sits slightly higher no good for posture

@Ronzohnito 7 жыл бұрын

great review Mark..but m a bit confused here...........are you happy with the car or not..??? its an objective question....so no extra jazz...just yes or no...' Coz m gonna be buying one this week..rather have already put the deposit'.. :-)..cheers

@markscars1069 7 жыл бұрын

Yes I was happy with the car. I didn't treat it as a sports saloon and in return, it then didn't try to be one.

@Ronzohnito 7 жыл бұрын

Cheers Mark..Looking forward to your honest and interesting review about the 5 series..

@markscars1069 7 жыл бұрын

+rounak hemmady Yeah I'll get round to it soon, and thanks.

@weega9852 Жыл бұрын

How much is a downpayment for one of these ? I really want one but I’m only working part time right now and I’m about to start full time with 40 hours a week is that enough to get one of these ?

@markscars1069 Жыл бұрын

I can't really answer this, for a whole load of reasons. What do you earn, where do you live, what APR are you facing etc. Thanks for watching anyway

@weega9852 Жыл бұрын

@@markscars1069 do you think I'll be able to get one if I work 40 hrs a week full time with $15/hr as a dishwasher and I live in Maryland and my APR I'm not sure but each check I make around $850-900

@weega9852 Жыл бұрын

@@markscars1069 also to get a beamer or any bmw how much credit do I need ? I'm planning on getting one by January with my tax return money and my job savings but I'm not even sure how much I need to save up for a down payment I think my credit right now is 500

@markscars1069 Жыл бұрын

@@weega9852 I’m a very minor KZfaqr. I’m not a financial advisor 😂

@weega9852 Жыл бұрын

@@markscars1069 Oh good to know that. And How much did you put as a downpayment and how much are you paying monthly for this one

@Mikey-fo9mm 5 жыл бұрын

Just 1 question. Why didn't you get the 8-speed auto ?

@markscars1069 5 жыл бұрын

Mikey Per the vid, I wanted a manual on that occasion

@FredericFreedom 3 жыл бұрын

Looks a bit tight in the rear🤔 choosing between this and the 520d

@markscars1069 3 жыл бұрын

520d for comfort, 320d for what little fun the N47 is capable of.

@FredericFreedom 3 жыл бұрын

@@markscars1069 brilliant, thanks. I'm considering a 520d msport. I believe you've done a 5series review? I'll check it out if so

@kalkun22 8 жыл бұрын

Did BMW improve the interior qulity of the F30? I sold mine, worst rattle/creaking box iv'e ever had kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iK6gjaphxp2RmWg.html

@markscars1069 8 жыл бұрын

Mine was an early build and seemed ok. Haven't noticed a notable improvement when compared to later versions I have driven though.

@cipoSVK 7 жыл бұрын

I'm thinking of selling it whilst I can. Same problem at 100 000 km kilometrage.

@pvherr 5 жыл бұрын

The wind was shit but the review was good

@sweeney69728 4 жыл бұрын

Nearly 20 minutes of complaints that's surely some sort of record 😂

@markscars1069 4 жыл бұрын

Surely (Shirley) not...

@sweeney69728 4 жыл бұрын

@@markscars1069 who's Shirley are you drunk again mark🥴

@hendersondouglas6201 4 жыл бұрын

Hi How about the milage details ??

@markscars1069 4 жыл бұрын

Henderson Douglas What is it you want to know? How many miles I covered or...? Can not recall for sure but it would have been 40k or more.

@hendersondouglas6201 4 жыл бұрын

@@markscars1069 I like to know how many kilometres can drive in one per leter diesel? ?1600cc engine

@markscars1069 4 жыл бұрын

Henderson Douglas It was 50mpg which is 4.7 lites per 100 kms. 2 litre engine.

@hendersondouglas6201 4 жыл бұрын

Hi I like to know the fuel consumption

@cristianclaudiu8769 4 жыл бұрын

Where is the 5 series

@markscars1069 4 жыл бұрын

Sold two years ago.

@mafazrahman1900 3 жыл бұрын

The review is good but idk why the reviewer is forgetting its cars like these that let the company make cars that literally wow you by the very same brand just like Ferrari makes cars only to fund their F1 team

@markscars1069 3 жыл бұрын

You’re somewhat out of touch. Ferrari build cars to fund the market and feed the shareholders. The days of them selling cars to fund racing ended when Fiat took over. And BMW built its reputation on sports saloons. And a 320d isn’t this. You’re using the argument which applies to Porsche building Cayennes then funding 911s but it doesn’t work here.

@noksukowwhitewarrior730 5 жыл бұрын

Average mpg mixed driving?

@markscars1069 5 жыл бұрын

Regularly saw 50mpg

@noksukowwhitewarrior730 5 жыл бұрын

@@markscars1069 that's good, I'm currently in an insignia 4x4 auto 2.0cdti and I'm only getting about 31'mpg so that would be a bonus, very tempted

@tc12341000 4 жыл бұрын

MMM saying not enough grunt for a 2lt... lol pop it sport mode ,, what more do you need ,, simple not sure what this guy is yapping about.. mind you mine is the m sport auto with all extra,s