BIG FUUCKKNG FACTS MATE You can have all the power and shit but if you can’t drive then fuck offf mate it’s worthlessness
@carsinruin61023 жыл бұрын
And tires!
@yooseemotoringchannel33574 жыл бұрын
Total engine build, gutted interior, roll cage, suspension. He said stockish lol..
@kuri9114 жыл бұрын
No kidding. I had to pause it at that moment for my laughter to die down.
@veryrare76473 жыл бұрын
the one who spends more money always says that lol. gotta get those excuses in early
@MultiTrapmoney Жыл бұрын
Same I was like huh this guy
@KCMedia334 жыл бұрын
911 should have been 2-3 seconds ahead. 10 seconds in to the race I said that M3 driver is far superior.
@Yarmox4 жыл бұрын
paul vicks im assuming you have never actually sat in any of these cars.
@2702simmo4 жыл бұрын
Just sold an e46 M3 I had for 2 and a half years and did 42k mikes in I loved that car. Had a 996 Carrera for 3 weeks now and my wife is surprised I’ve finally got a car that is comparable to the M3 and if I’m being honest it’s a bit more exciting to drive just
@KingKooba224 жыл бұрын
typical situation of a porsche driver expecting the car to drive itself while they just sit in it.
@yeetus594 жыл бұрын
Nah theres a reason the e46 m3 gtr beat porsche chassis is just better
@2702simmo4 жыл бұрын
yeetus59 having owned both and loved both of disagree the 911 chassis is a step above that if the e46
@sergiotroilo45934 жыл бұрын
did he just said "stockish" to his 996 ? haha
@VictorEstrada4 жыл бұрын
There's like no porsche left on that thing lol
@fedolfs4 жыл бұрын
It's kinda true, the chassis is stock, he can go a good 10 seconds faster with proper brakes and suspesions
@nia95604 жыл бұрын
Mechanically
@ScramJamJohnson4 жыл бұрын
M3 won in literally the first turn. The Porsche got off quicker and had the lead through until he missed the apex and the M3 just nailed the rest of the course.
@veryrare76473 жыл бұрын
porsche guy forget to spend all hos money on seat time. coassic richguy move
@DKarGarage20 күн бұрын
@@veryrare7647not only his suspension setup sucks , look at the turns deff not flet but bumpy
@idokwatcher20624 жыл бұрын
3.2L heavier car against 4L lighter car. How is that even possible? Switch drivers.
@noobasdfjkl4 жыл бұрын
996 driver might not be used to 911s on track, and if he stripped out a bunch of the interior weight, the rear weight bias is going to be even more pronounced. Switching drivers probably wouldn't help. Geoff might not have much experience with 911s either. Not to mention, the suspension on the M3 is very sophisticated, and definitely better than the stock 996 GT3 coilovers. Additionally, I'd bet the M3 has significantly wider front tires. Those look like 265s from the poke, and the 996 probably has like 235s up front. You can see it in how much tighter the M3 is able to take corners.
@lvwrx4 жыл бұрын
sounds like 2 kazoos battling
@ravenstylea24 жыл бұрын
Lmao
@petel69453 жыл бұрын
Lvwrx 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@alejandroochoa35413 жыл бұрын
You did not 🤦🏻♂️😂😂😂
@shabazuddin3354 жыл бұрын
BMW E46 M3 is legendary. Really 👌 E46 is marvelous design.
@deplorabledave10484 жыл бұрын
Yep. I have one. A 2005. I used to track it. Now it is a daily driver, but it could still go on any track in the USA.
@Industry-insider4 жыл бұрын
I have a 2002 and it’s been amazing and pretty reliable
@shabazuddin3354 жыл бұрын
2001 but 330ci 😊😊. What to do . I am happy with the gift of "ALLAH".
@henryatkinson14793 жыл бұрын
Only reason it won here was that the 911 was being driven by an incompetent oaf with lumps of lead yoked to his legs where most people have feet with nerves. E46 is good, but 996 is better.
@shabazuddin3353 жыл бұрын
Hi Atkinson . Thanks for kind reply. But your Porsche 😛😛😛. Atkinson is my school name haha
@alextasarov13414 жыл бұрын
Porsche: Just a bigger motor, no big deal. BMW: Stock. *BMW proceeds to beat/match Porsche*
@paulvicks13364 жыл бұрын
Because Porsches are extremely overrated cars. My e46 M3 can do everything it does better while carrying two 6 footers in the back seat. Porsches are also overly functional and boring to drive.
@TEFLONDONTRUMP20244 жыл бұрын
@@paulvicks1336 you should post some e46 videos then
@paulvicks13364 жыл бұрын
@@TEFLONDONTRUMP2024 I'm thinking of starting an e46 M3 channel. My goPro cameras should be arriving soon
@manuelmartineznusn3 жыл бұрын
@@paulvicks1336 boy, you sound ignorant and jealous
@siggy2609 Жыл бұрын
@@paulvicks1336 2 years later no videos🤣 you were bluffing out of your arse
@MixedRealitySimRacing4 жыл бұрын
Very cool video, I only think the side by side was a bit too hectic with needing to go crosseyed for seeing the matching perspectives at the same time and moving the bonnet cam left to right all the time.
@Beezy_Builds4 жыл бұрын
Facts fam thought the same
@briancoira64684 жыл бұрын
great video, they should've panned between Porsche sounds and bmw sounds so they wouldn't play at the same time and we could hear each engine individually. That m3 sounds so good
@clubtouge10524 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@r.taylorgarlock5604 жыл бұрын
So cancer. Great vid otherwise, but wow. So hard to watch.
@TankRust4 жыл бұрын
Great video! As a point of comparison, I run consistent mid 2:03’s in my 140 whp Miata on Toyo RR’s. On a cooler day both of these cars should do sub-2:00 easily. Keep these coming!
@deplorabledave10484 жыл бұрын
I have had my E46 M3 up at Sebring race track in Central Florida. It is true, the E46 M3 can be quite competitive to Porches and Corvettes of the same era. I had Brembos and racing brake pads which helped a LOT. My car only puts around 300 HP to the rear wheel. Not very much. But it goes pretty darn fast. LOTS of fun! I passed most 911's and vettes on the track in 2010 when I was there last. I thought both drivers were quite good. Very fun video footage. I enjoyed this video very much.
@mrmidnight324 жыл бұрын
Thank you for getting rid of the lame roast battles in the beginning. Ruined the videos.
@timnoakes43034 жыл бұрын
Very glad to have the VS series back! Thank you.
@imptuner4 жыл бұрын
And the E46 still has AC lol
@itzasphaltgaming68514 жыл бұрын
My friend races gt4 for McLaren and still had AC in it and it apparently makes the engine work harder providing more horsepower
@quincygaming95294 жыл бұрын
@@itzasphaltgaming6851 huh?
@itzasphaltgaming68514 жыл бұрын
Quincy Gaming in my friends McLaren gt4 racecar the air conditioning unit actually adds power
@deathisfreedom14424 жыл бұрын
@@itzasphaltgaming6851 That literally makes no sense at all.
@Bemaritohtori4 жыл бұрын
@@itzasphaltgaming6851 wtf😂😂
@gewow4 жыл бұрын
I think people underestimate the importance of well sorted suspension + geometry
@antipathous4 жыл бұрын
Not that I know much about racing, but it seems to me the 996 should have taken this but the M3 driver looked like he was hitting all his lines and was extremely fluid about it - I assume that's a testament to his skill and experience. Definitely shows why the E46 M3 is so highly praised though. These 2 cars and the original NSX are my dream cars if I was going to drop some cash on a toy. Fast, but not crazy, available with manual transmission, not crazy expensive, not crazy to maintain as long as you do preventative maintenance. Overall nice video to see.
@vwjunkie684 жыл бұрын
$20 says Geoff would have been sub 2:00 in the 996 same day
@KyleEisenhart4 жыл бұрын
Ha such a great point! Idk the drivers although I love these cars!
@quincygaming95294 жыл бұрын
E46 still so sexy. They don't make em like that anymore. Phoenix yellow looking good
@Sb999924 жыл бұрын
E46 coupe best m3 ever made. E46 m3 convertible best convertible ever made.
@michaeln.70834 жыл бұрын
NT01s are great I've just bought a set 305 square on my roushcharged 15 mustang, they are night and day from the G2s I had on it even on TE37s, great super sticky tire that doesn't fall off quickly amazing tires.. on rails
@brianaust88974 жыл бұрын
I’ve tracked my SMG Vert M3 at PIR (Portland) because you can, there, and it is a blast with the top down and a lady riding along with you on track days lol 👍
@echannel10184 жыл бұрын
I am only subscribed for this series. Thanks for bringing it back
@14KShadow4 жыл бұрын
For the most part it's stock-ish . Shows perspex windows and sticker headlights
@TranceFur4 жыл бұрын
M3 driver was good, but you can’t overstate how important suspension is, and those Motons are on another level.
@TheAstroKidx4 жыл бұрын
that guy in the 996 looks like hes a bit too close to his steering wheel lol
@simontvrner3 жыл бұрын
Seat is way too high too. couple tenths there
@seanscott71204 жыл бұрын
Both cars are done up very nicely. As a Porsche and BMW owner I have to say the Porsche sounds so much better than the E46. Looks like it was a fun day at the track.
@LoveLikeaHurricane4 жыл бұрын
The M3 looks properly tuned. The cup car looks like it wasn’t properly balanced despite “copying” the cup car
@tonycrispin4 жыл бұрын
Happy to see these back! Love the battles! When you want a REALLY slow battle let me know and I'll bring my Honda Fit out lol
@MrReniks4 жыл бұрын
stop split screens moving all the time.
@SSDracerSD4 жыл бұрын
Wow. The heavier less powerful car won. Good driver.
@andyfreeman68654 жыл бұрын
Better driver also knows how to set up a car for better performance. Power and weight much less relevant on a track.
@lun7n Жыл бұрын
@@andyfreeman6865 no power and weight are more important than setup.
@pulaskicondoassociation67993 жыл бұрын
Dang that 4.0 Porsche motor probably cost more then the whole M3 ?
@b5779604 жыл бұрын
It amazes me how people are asking how the Porsche lost, really ? Obviously they have never driven an E46 M3. Here we have a modded engine Porsche to a standard E46 M3 motor and it still lost. They are pretty even and it would depend on a few factors ie like temperature etc, but why are people so surprised. My M3 can blow off a standard 996 Carrera. The E46 M3 is a legend for a reason- simple!
@2702simmo4 жыл бұрын
I’ve had both this year and would be surprised to see the M3 beat the 996. The E46 M3 is amazing possibly the best car I’d owned till I bought the 996 I’m a Porsche convert now
@NikosDIY4 жыл бұрын
Love the battles!! E4996 for the win!!
@StacheCam4 жыл бұрын
BACK LIKE YA NEVER LEFT !
@Linoge2794 жыл бұрын
Yes...M3 SMG won the battle!!
@Volvo8Fifty4Life4 жыл бұрын
Yeah M3!
@turbomopie4 жыл бұрын
How the hell did the 911 loose? Lol
@jay.06214 жыл бұрын
car was loose around the corners.......
@samwisee4 жыл бұрын
Also listen to the gearing... the BMW was a lot better geared for this track than the 996... He was shifting a lot more than the BMW
@MrAceekidd4 жыл бұрын
996 guys driving lines weren't good, wasn't even close to apex on some corners. Altho the host said he's inexperienced, so should cut him the slack.
@andyfreeman68654 жыл бұрын
Better aero and suspension. The E46 is set up well, the 996 isn't. The 996 has much less downforce on the front and rear. The spoiler on the E46 sticks above the roof which adds significantly more downforce matching the front spoiler and weight in the front. Really tests of performance aren't tested in straight lines only.
@kriswattanaporn1754 жыл бұрын
911 lost on the last turn early apex. The bmw late apex and was able to get on the gas earlier. But looks like the 911 look way more stable out of corners. And was ahead early in the lap.
@alexwalsh31 Жыл бұрын
Loving this, two great cars
@AliasHSW4 жыл бұрын
SMG ain’t all that fun for bumper to bumper DD; but well suited for the track.
@deplorabledave10484 жыл бұрын
SMG is perfect for bumper to bumper. I throw in in auto until the traffic clears. Works awesome in crowded South Florida traffic. 2005 E46 M3. My SMG works great still. No problems except change out one salmon relay a month ago. Still flawless.
@2702simmo4 жыл бұрын
As a daily for 40k miles my smg was great
@deplorabledave10484 жыл бұрын
@@2702simmo Serviced the 12v pump motor at 80k miles. Filthy with brush debris and carbon. Needed a cleaning ONLY. No parts needed. Critical to replace dual mass flywheel with EVERY clutch plate renewal!
@beggottenson18694 жыл бұрын
Deplorable Dave remember to change your guibo, my salmon relay left me stuck on a bridge when the car had 20k miles only 😭😭😭
@deplorabledave10484 жыл бұрын
@@beggottenson1869 I just did about 4k miles ago. I need to inspect it. I know my dual mass flywheel springs are about shot. I have to shift very carefully so as to not stress any components. Replacing the flywheel is a YUUUGE job!
@andyfreeman68654 жыл бұрын
These comments are so outrageous. The better set up car won. He drove his car better because it allowed him to drive it better. If they swapped cars, the result would've likely been the same. The Porsche tried to have the same line but couldn't. He made up his time on the straights with less drag and more power.
@rogerpescoran78704 жыл бұрын
This competitions come down to drivers and who slept well. haha
@edwin97a2 ай бұрын
Long live our BMW E46! Greetings from Canada.
@stithis4 жыл бұрын
E46 m3 won because of the SMG.
@chrisg4rr3774 жыл бұрын
Proper colour for the BMW
@jeffkelly6364 жыл бұрын
The closed caption says "[music] mm" when they're bombing down the straightaway. It's a good sound for sure.
@rabmc4 жыл бұрын
The e46 m3 needs the csl airbox, it’s a must!
@ademturan71374 жыл бұрын
Porsche: "There is absolutely nothing I fear. No company. No car. I am the most supreme car manufacturer." Also Porsche: "But that one Car... the BMW M3 GTR... It scares me." Who remembers the legandary M3 GTR in ALMS 2001?
@erickrayos4 жыл бұрын
you can see the 996 is faster on the straights but when it comes to the corners I am surprised that the e46 actually got thru them quicker... the porsche had more power and is lighter, they used almost identical lines except for 1 turn. Guess that moton suspension is doing some good magic, they should coz those things aint cheap.
@deathisfreedom14424 жыл бұрын
also the E46 had wider tires , more agressive camber and more aero but yeah, moton suspension is insanely good
@2702simmo4 жыл бұрын
As an owner of both I’d have thought the 996 would have been quicker in corners
@JustKingAdrian4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! So Close!
@TinoushGTR4 жыл бұрын
M3 is also better looking car lol
@deathisfreedom14424 жыл бұрын
E46 dude installed his brake rotors the wrong way around lol
@ayowser014 жыл бұрын
I've noticed this too. I've concluded that some rotors have the slots going the opposite direction w/straight vanes.
@deathisfreedom14424 жыл бұрын
@@ayowser01 I've seen quite some people installing their rotors that way and I think it's for looks tbh. Cuz that way round they don't catch the air like they are supposed to. But ey... their car, their brakes^^
@cdoleoj14 жыл бұрын
You realize that is not necessarily true. Air flow on rotors is from the center of the rotor out discharging to the inside of the wheel, not from the outside in. The vanes when curved BACKWARDS in relation to rotation in essence make the rotor an air pump, where it sucks air from the center pushes air to the outside. So if you go by the holes (Which not always match vane direction) his rotors are installed correctly
@deathisfreedom14424 жыл бұрын
@@cdoleoj1 is that so? aight then, was always explained differently to me but that makes sense. thanks for the info!
@NeonNerd872 жыл бұрын
The dog.... 😂😂🤣🤣
@chuckystang4 жыл бұрын
I want a 996 sooooo bad. Am I crazy? Anyone here track one and could comment?
@jabeard94 жыл бұрын
Same here 😅 ... shhhh keep it on the low $$
@perryeanes25914 жыл бұрын
Yeah bro i just got one and its a amazing car tbh it gets a lot of hate though although I personally love it
@2702simmo4 жыл бұрын
I got one a few weeks back to replace an e93 M3 I had a few weeks that struggled to replace an e46 M3 I had. I love the 996 and can’t believe I waited this long to get a 911. The handling is amazing and it feels more sporty than the M3 that I dodo loved
@scottking7884 жыл бұрын
Get a 996, best bang for the buck, more fun than you can imagine.
@coreykononchuk4 жыл бұрын
Well we can tell right away which car sounds better! That 4.0 liter makes some sweet sweet music! The BMW.... well not so much
@dubbleA1004 жыл бұрын
Holy Crap! The E46 started off slower caught and passed him. His must have been A1
@joelsmith93113 жыл бұрын
Woah. A bit embarrassing! I thought that 911 was gonna monster the M3... Both great cars though, as long as you all had fun that’s what matters 👍🏼
@arrivendrive68314 жыл бұрын
Both cars are great but put the same skilled driver to drive both cars and the porsche should win by a very decent margin
@echannel10184 жыл бұрын
But it's called drivers battle and not car battle ;)
@arrivendrive68314 жыл бұрын
Very good point. I guess I missed that detail.
@newbwheeler97774 жыл бұрын
Wow some seriously salty people here. Just enjoy the dang video and stop taking it so personally...lol!
@kize324 жыл бұрын
It's the SMG. Internet doesn't like it but it's faster. Also good job for keeping the engine stock. CSL flash makes it run hot, or so I've heard
@jamesFong4 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of the good old IMSA days
@jellofuel4 жыл бұрын
General track day rule; a fast driver in a slow car will be faster than a slow driver in a fast car.
@SF_Native4 жыл бұрын
Bored out to 4 liter, but it's pretty stock. lol!!
@ethanstorm17352 жыл бұрын
whats the point of the super high wings if only the sides are in clean air. i thought super high wings were meant to get out of turbulent air.
@slatanek4 жыл бұрын
Completely pointless comparison. It compares two semi-fat drivers, not the cars. Would be nice if the same driver drove both cars. As of now - the leaner driver gets to eat
@ashtoncarlisle27504 жыл бұрын
Lmao
@JohnsonMac4 жыл бұрын
What a close battle
@G.J.G.P.3 жыл бұрын
Funny to see, that the "crappy" 240sx was still faster then those track tools
@buccibur2 жыл бұрын
PUT ME ON THE SHOW!
@desarcast4 жыл бұрын
kudo's go to the driver, the porket should have won this one easily
@IdeasDontBounce2 жыл бұрын
Not to point out the obvious, but, around the 1:50 mark during their run, the porsche took that last big s-turn too early. That caused him to go wide and miss the apex. He would've won if his entry was better. His acceleration was slightly better than the M3. However, the M3 did have a better drive line. Good job to the BMW M3 driver.
@mon3pit4 жыл бұрын
Amazing race guy 2 of my favorite cars. W2g.
@viniciusabdoracing4 жыл бұрын
Nice video! An suggest: the video split for both car are useless. You lost the emotion in all aspects for both cars.
@erniearambula35254 жыл бұрын
I agree first thing lost is sound of engine revs.
@yordantomov39744 жыл бұрын
Both guys have great cars.
@ReignofStorms4 жыл бұрын
Takes 30 mins to an hour to change e46 alternator. Will save 200+ in labor. Also was probably the power steering resevoir bubbling over and dripping onto the alternator due to the heat or a bad pulley bearing. Nice vid, but could have done without both exhaust notes at the same time :P.
@fredrikdalianis70834 жыл бұрын
Wow the guy from Tiger King really got his shit together 👍🏼
@alexk_2153 жыл бұрын
great video !
@dboucher263 жыл бұрын
I’m an owner of an E46 M3 and I’m keeping it, but I want a Porsche 911.
@matthewnicholas63654 жыл бұрын
As an M3 Owner, I'm pretty shocked. If that 911 had the original engine it wouldn't have been as close either?
@stevereese19434 жыл бұрын
How in the world do you manage to make an s54 sound bad?
@jonathanmoga51884 жыл бұрын
They've always sounded like shite.
@ravenstylea24 жыл бұрын
Of course the BMW breaks 😂
@danielzychniewicz26334 жыл бұрын
Stfu you moron. You probably can’t afford parts on a BMW. Go play your video games lil 👦.
@anthonychavez45544 жыл бұрын
@@danielzychniewicz2633 lol
@darrend20354 жыл бұрын
It’s actually a well known secret that bmw engineers kinda knew the alternators on m3s did not like the consistency of 8k revolutions But it’s not really a catastrophic issue so fuck it 🤷♂️
@alextasarov13414 жыл бұрын
Porsche: 400hp in a 2500lbs car BMW: 333hp in a 3300lbs car BMW gets a better lap time... somethings not adding up. In reality I think the BMW had a better driver. But I also wonder how the temperature affects the cars differently. Maybe the BMW can handle the high ambient temps better? I find it sad that the Porsche has no headlights, no interior, and an upgraded motor but still matches a stock m3.
@Wantobe1234 жыл бұрын
More horsepower and less weight? Something doesn’t add up. Power to weight ratio should of been huge besides the balance of the car.
@andyfreeman68654 жыл бұрын
E46 has much more downforce causing it to stick better. Everytime he got ahead was at the corners. Everyone thinks power to weight is oh so important. It's nothing next to aero and suspension. The E46 is also more planted with tighter suspension.
@davidpeck5964 жыл бұрын
@@andyfreeman6865 Chuckwalla is mostly highspeed curves. Gret track that favors aero.
@Savorychicken414 жыл бұрын
Easier to drive the m3?
@jcdentonunatco4 жыл бұрын
That porsche may have him in the straights with that horsepower, but he needs to work on his cornering. Entries are too slow. That's a porsche man! Those will handle corners like mad, you gotta throw it hard at those apexs
@nt47554 жыл бұрын
I would appreciation if you don't fling those POV comparison up down left right, keep those POVs on the same side, and switch around with the outside shots on the other side.
@thefullstackninja1212 жыл бұрын
when you put a 4liter engine where a 3.4 used to be, you cant call the car stockish anymore bro!
@kaveric_761410 ай бұрын
It’s a stock 996, besides a complete engine bore and rebuild, gutted interior, racing seats, headlight delete, suspension mods, wing, shifter assembly, and exhaust. Hmm yes, “stock”
@UTKARSHGUPTAWRIMO_CO4 жыл бұрын
996 was slower on the straights but faster through the corners... tweaks to aero incl the wing should close the 0.55 sec gap
@jess_o4 жыл бұрын
German Engineering > German Engineering
@pokegan524 жыл бұрын
I laughed every time these guys said their cars are stock
@Fifteenminuteadventures Жыл бұрын
The driver won the race
@Jepps_CTR4 жыл бұрын
Would love to compete at streets of willow on this 😁
@419564 жыл бұрын
American definition of stock is different to everywhere else in the world. Porsche with a 4 litre, no interior, roll cage, coilovers and wheels is not stock.
@racekar804 жыл бұрын
I am sorry but my 996 GT3 would destroy that M3 just like it does at track days I attend. Put a good driver in the Porsche, and the P car is not 2500 lbs, more like 3100. Cup cars with carbon doors and hood weigh 3000
@monkeycsl4 жыл бұрын
Not my csl it wouldn't. 7.50 btg that's standard mines not.
@monkeycsl4 жыл бұрын
7.54 FOR yours standard and sorry meant full ring lap not btg
@Hole_Motorsports4 жыл бұрын
Track days =/= racing
@monkeycsl4 жыл бұрын
@@foxx1111 Muppet no!! I was stating that his Porsche would not beat my csl. I did not mention his m3 as I don't own it.
@goguhu4 жыл бұрын
The 911 was faster in the stretches but the M3 caught up and passed every turn. Hard to say if it was driver or car ...
@ARPerez3 жыл бұрын
The wing along on both of them net them a -10hp by adding way too much downforce
@m3lowiesvlog7153 жыл бұрын
Damn I thought the 996 is gonna win lol
@scaramangasextranipple4 жыл бұрын
Sponsored by nitto tyres by any chance
@KnightDriveTV4 жыл бұрын
The sticker headlights cost him the race I think...please just make them black or something...lol. BMW got it done...nice car, balanced car, looks good....the end.
@alfie38364 жыл бұрын
Geoff was a better driver, both with his lines as well as braking and exiting.... the Porsche seemed like it had a LOT more to give .....