BMW R1250GSA vs. Honda Africa Twin | In-Depth, Real-World Comparison
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I purchased a 2022 Honda Africa Twin 1100 Adventure Sports and am selling my 2021 BMW R1250GS Adventure. Why? Let's examine 12 areas where these bikes are different, pick a winner for each area, and see how they stack up.
00:00 Intro
01:38 12 Differences
02:48 Comparison Areas
18:53 Scoring
GSA review: • 2021 BMW R1250GS Adven...
ATAS Review: • 2021 Honda Africa Twin...
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@pingmotoride2418 Жыл бұрын
Hi. Nice review. I was hoping you included gasoline consumption and ect. Thanks.
@jeffalley4417 11 ай бұрын
I have an EXTREMELY STUPID request... can you compare the ATAS and the Rally 250/300 for the ride quality? I had the 250 (33k miles), have the 300 (10k), and have been dreaming about the AT. First bike was a cbr1000.
@salomp1452 Жыл бұрын
Comparison Time Stamps 2:48 - Price 3:51 - Weight 4:57 - Power 6:02 - Electronics 8:15 - Lighting 9:13 - Suspension 11:41 - Final Drive 12:55 - Riding Comfort (Ergonomics) 13:49 - On Road Performance 14:51 - Off Road Performance 15:38 - Seat Height 17:15 - Maintenance & Cost of Ownership
@BigRockMoto Жыл бұрын
thanks for that
@tpv59 Жыл бұрын
THANK YOU sir. APPRECIATED.
@Rayk76 Жыл бұрын
Thank you 👍👍👍
@agustinusalvinwicaksono Жыл бұрын
thank you sir
@kennbannister5085 Жыл бұрын
Ian, It is just brilliant that you always include the metric figures as well so the rest of the world can watch your excellent reviews without stopping to convert the figures. Thank you.
@carlosrossi3523 Жыл бұрын
@@AudioTravels sorry, 1Mile = 1,60934Km so 16Kmile = 25.760km aprox.
@albertjurcisin8944 2 жыл бұрын
Good stuff, you are making a progress with the channel. You are becoming a go to guy for the models you are testing/ evaluating. Cold analytical attitude, listening to the viewers, lack of bias or testosteron driven conclusion. Digging it, man.
@jokermtb 2 жыл бұрын
There’s a bit of testosterone present….be fair, ha ha
@BigRockMoto Жыл бұрын
Thanks Albert. That's the idea.
@Ramdas_Devadiga Жыл бұрын
@@BigRockMoto A great review - but I'd love to hear your thoughts and opinion about pillion comfort and the riding dynamic of these bikes with a pillion - I believe this one factor weighs in heavily for making a more informed decision. Thank you!
@0HARE Жыл бұрын
@@Ramdas_Devadiga I agree. The main reason I would buy one of these bikes, is to take the wife along on road trips. She will want her luggage, as well.
@JordanLedbetter Жыл бұрын
The channel really has come a long way. The presentation skills are a big step up over three years ago.
@urosgregorec 2 жыл бұрын
This was a great review. Thank you Ian. You really do a great job. Hope that your channel keeps growing.
@sreach93 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic head to head comparison, no bullshit and straight to the point.
@BigRockMoto Жыл бұрын
thank you
@nomadpi1 3 ай бұрын
If it's "straight to the point," you don't need the two words. "No Bullshit.' Don't curse. It's superfluous and distracts from the intention of communicating.
@gili7333 2 жыл бұрын
You are definitely the best comparison/ road tester on the net with honest none biased opinions, 👍
@SpringfieldFatts 2 жыл бұрын
Hey man I don't do off road riding but love how detailed your reviews are. The love you're showing for the AT is making me reconsider a NT1100 for a tourer.
@hectorvara750 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting comparison and I can appreciate how difficult this video was to make. Thank you for opening my eyes to certain aspects of the A. Twin, such as the instrument panel. The cost differential of the two bikes is substantial. Once again, thanks.
@Elysian_Angel_ 2 жыл бұрын
It’s great that there are so many superb motorcycles out these days. You can really tell that competition drove all manufacturers to improve their bikes in various ways so in the end you can’t go terribly wrong with either of them. It just comes down to personal preference 🙂
@Maggieismydog Жыл бұрын
As long as you pick the GS in the end........Hehe
@bikersoncall Жыл бұрын
So true Jessica, it is really getting difficult to find a bike today that is not made well, there are issues of course with most, but overall, lots of great engineering.
@ekimandersom4478 Жыл бұрын
Well thats how it is always been, would be stranger if they didn't.
@csakzozo 5 ай бұрын
@@bikersoncallThis is nothing new. It's just that the market matured. Electric motorbikes are up next probably.
@juliusjacob1416 2 жыл бұрын
Also, I think there is no shame in dedicating an entire video on your horrible experience with the Norden and KTM’s horrible customer service. Change only happens when it is necessary. You can almost see it as a responsibility to call them out because you have a big audience and are a very good and well spoken representative of adventure/ off-road riding -> KTM’s customers. Of course this is entirely up to you though.
@gautamasakyamuni6688 2 жыл бұрын
Where do you live, in Afghanistan? Because over here KTM/Husqvarna customer service is perfect.
@josiah1583 2 жыл бұрын
@@gautamasakyamuni6688 In the US they have a very small dealer network. Very few people means less time to be helpful to their customers. Overall, they haven't really caught on over here.
@ziondanny7081 2 жыл бұрын
@@gautamasakyamuni6688 Where is that, exactly?
@lukefish7562 2 жыл бұрын
@@gautamasakyamuni6688 👍🏼
@bdraidian6280 2 жыл бұрын
I loved my kTm....the service however is a different story...anyways sold my kTm and bought a used africa twin and couldn't be happier
@jameskiceiii6856 Жыл бұрын
This channel is rapidly becoming my go to for analytical reviews. Excellent work and thanks for the content!
@cutitout01 2 жыл бұрын
I have a GSA and probably won't change it out. It is just too good overall for me to consider losing it. However, I really appreciate having someone like you test out other bikes that I might not ever get to own. I also appreciate that you are giving ownership experience and not just a test ride.
@TheDennzio Ай бұрын
we are so happy for you
@nevillecartwright7292 2 жыл бұрын
Yet another awesome video! You are getting so good at what you do - thank you!! I personally have a GSA and your comments about it are spot on! I haven't had any experience with the Honda AT, but the arguments for it as a next replacement are compelling. The weight and seat height are becoming more of a factor as I get older (and shorter). Thanks again for an quality comparison and greetings from South Africa!
@oliverliu5065 Жыл бұрын
Dry, tons of info, straightforward, probably puts kids to sleep. I love this channel!
@aradomsk Жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed this review as a newbie to adventure biking , seemed totally fair and unbiased with down to earth opinions and perspectives. Im sure for most we'd be happy with either of these bikes in the garage. Thanks for great content !
@sethruter 2 жыл бұрын
Great comparison, up front and honest opinions, appreciate it. I've sat on the AT and the seat feels so hard and uncomfortable, I know the "easy" fix is to just replace it but something I wouldn't want to do right away
@Robert8455 Жыл бұрын
I think you did an excellent comparison. One thing that might be interesting for a future video would be the addition of the crash bars to the ATAS and maybe a center stand and what that does to the weight gap? I think a big chain drive you want a center stand to just help with regular cleaning and lube especially if you hit off road much. I like the car play too for all the reasons mentioned and think Honda made the right choices there and also with the suspension settings and then keeping things less complicated. You packed a lot of info here, it was well organized and presented. Thanks!
@backcountryadvmoto 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Thank you so much for posting. As a very loyal Honda owner ( I have a 2016 Africa Twin) I’ve been looking at a new bike lately. This is truly helpful. I’ve gone back-and-forth between the new 1100 ATS version as well as the GSA and you point out some very good talking points here. As far as the valve adjustment I 100% agree. I recently made a video on this showing how much of a pain it really is, and the GSA takes the maintenance category hands-down even with the air filter changes as you mentioned.
@stevegantner8184 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video from your channel. I appreciate your informative comparison, lack of drama, calling a spade a spade when appropriate, and noting that personal preference plays a significant role in which bike is best for each individual. I've owned a number of bikes over the years and the last two have been GSAs (just traded in the 2012 for a 2022).. Not saying it is the best bike, just the best bike for me. Looking forward to watching your upcoming AT videos to see what you learn and the mods you make. Keep up the great work!
@guymorris2883 Жыл бұрын
This is a bloody great channel, your bike reviews are some of the best I have seen.
@owenlushadv Жыл бұрын
Glad you did this comparison!! I have a 2020 ATAS manual, and absolutely love it. It was my first adventure bike and first motorcycle in general really outside of a dual sport. I’ve always wondered about the GSA and how I would’ve found it compared to the AT. For the types of adventure riding I do either bike would be great I’m sure.. I’m running out of things I can buy to add to my AT so I may need to purchase a GSA to start over 😂 lol
@OnMyWayBack888 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. You developed yourself so much over the last year. I used to almost fall asleep with your older videos. Now you have so much more energy and it is fun watching you. The info is prepared and well edited. Keep on the good work!
@misterchuck6866 Жыл бұрын
Occasional fun memes now as well. Bonus time
@blizzride Жыл бұрын
Are you a judge bro?
@bikersoncall Жыл бұрын
@@misterchuck6866 ''Mic-drop moment'', I'll have to remember that one lol..
@BigRockMoto Жыл бұрын
thanks!
@Aleksandarsd Жыл бұрын
Greetings from Serbia !! every video of yours is great, just keep it up !! and thanks for these reviews because you help with the choice and explain everything nicely !!
@1vmxracer Жыл бұрын
You truly deserve 10 times the subscribers....your channel is one ofn the ONLY "real world" testing channels on YT. Your no bullshit way of reviewing the bikes you do is a refreshing watch. Keep it up.
@clivedarwell5732 2 жыл бұрын
I hope you give a detailed breakdown vid of your Norden experience - put it together with Bret Tkacs' vid with his 790 - it can only improve things if people put it out there. Cheers!
@brianmorse8811 2 жыл бұрын
I'm very happy with my BMW R1250GS and I have always liked the Hondas that I've owned over the years. My riding style leaned more to the BMW highway to adventure. Big thumbs up for a good comparison of the brands.🤠👍
@DavidRodriguesOfficial_ 2 жыл бұрын
One of the best Motorcycle content on KZfaq. Congrats for almost 100K Subs. Cheers from Portugal.
@BalefulBunyip Жыл бұрын
Great review. Now subscribed. Kind of surprised that you went with a manual over a dct Africa twin. I would be really interested to hear your reasons. Thanks again for the side by side, I really enjoy the content, style and production of your vids.
@rogermeyer860 Жыл бұрын
another great review Ian. I rode Red for years before moving to BMW. Both great/reliable bikes. I'll stick w/ my GSA though since most of my riding is done long distance on-road.
@Carlnewman68 2 жыл бұрын
You are really professional at what you do , love your channel and quality, and how your deliver your commentary. Keep up the great work . Carl uk 🇬🇧 GSA , but do love that Honda so can’t wait to see your next Video asp please .
@agp7073 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, I was excited to see you bought the ATA and look forward to all of the upcoming accessory and riding videos. After much comparisons I’m planning to purchase a ATA soon. Love the channel keep it coming
@michaelfurman170 Жыл бұрын
excellent video. I've been working on this very problem for 4 months now. You did a very good job helping me choose while considering a few items I had not considered.
@jokermtb 2 жыл бұрын
Can’t wait for your “you don’t need to lube an o-ring chain” video. I’m with you on that. I confirmed my suspicions conversing with a Tsubaki chains engineer. He said that keeping the o-rings clean is the #1 way to make an o-ring chain last as long as possible. All the lube it ever needs is contained by the o-rings, and the only reason to lube is for corrosion protection (my chain will get surface rust after a few days left out in the rain if not minimally lubed - so technically I do ‘lube’ the chain). Also the rollers that protect the chain pins don’t need lube because they hardly move as the chain moves. I get a lot of grief about this opinion on the Stromtroopers forums, but I’m sticking to my guns
@bukweet 2 жыл бұрын
I use my chain lube as a chain cleaner. Spray it on, spin the wheel a few times, and then wipe off what I can from the chain. Almost all of the dirt and debris come off with the wiping procedure.
@ZuminaZX 2 жыл бұрын
use a hybrid lube/wax like belray super clean
@nickr5051 Жыл бұрын
Can't wait to read the flaming comments on this too. I am in the avoid chain lube camp also. I spend so much time off pavement that lube is just a base for making lapping compound to destroy my chain. A little WD-40 to clean dirt and put a little anti corrosion to it on occasion is it. In fact I know of a very big operation that puts tens of thousands of miles on bikes in Baja annually that cleans with WD-40 in the evenings so the chain is dry in the morning and that is the only thing chains get as lubing them will wear them out fast down there.
@SandlotRider Жыл бұрын
Exactly, corrosion protection is the only point of lubing an O or X-ring chain. That said, I use paste type lube (Motul C5). I found it lasts longer and you don't spread it everywhere like a spray lube. I tried regular WD40 too. 100% ass. It doesn't stick to the chain which got totally rusty in a week. It was during winter, it rained and there might have been road salt too but still. I've never seen a chain corroding that fast (or at all) with any other lubricant. Never again.
@jokermtb Жыл бұрын
@Fred Wills as a 2006 vstrom 650 pilot, I've also been a chain-lube rebel on that forum, and nothing riles up the crankfest of cranky 'I've always believed this so it must be true' types, as the issue of lubing a chain that's already permanently lubed from the factory! I have used the Dupont stuff, and they actually make one labeled for bikes (I bet it's the same stuff). It's cheap, stays dry when dry, and keeps corrosion at bay. Best part is, you can get it at any Home Depot, Lowes, Menards, etc.... I am now using Maxima dry chain lube, because it was what they had at the moto store and I needed it. Works essentially the same for twice the price. Yes, the Dupont teflon spray is the best chain 'lube' deal on the planet.....
@billsbikes 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comparison. Regarding AT did you consider DCT? I know you did a test on one of those in the past. What made you lean to manual over DCT. Thanks
@sambitmoharana2103 Жыл бұрын
Best comparison video between these particular bikes available on youtube. Loved it👍
@BryceAWD 2 жыл бұрын
Yet again, another comprehensive amazing review. Keep em coming.
@markg7834 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video, as usual. I would lean toward the Africa Twin even though I have always loved BMW GS motorcycles. There are no BMW dealership within 200 miles of my city. There are 4 Honda motorcycle dealers within 50 miles of me with two of them within 20 minutes. That's it for me, the ability to access dealers for parts and service. KTM is local but no way would I buy a new KTM. I raced their MX and Enduro bikes for years and had to put up with spotty parts availability and just plain crappy dealers. Maybe it's better now but I won't take a chance. The best dealers for me were always Kawasaki shops but that brand doesn't build the bike I would buy at this stage of my 61 years of riding motorcycles. Anyway, keep up the great work. Your efforts are appreciated.
@gregb.6682 Жыл бұрын
As always.. Excellent review! Wish the manufactures were more aggressive when design weakness were exposed. I've owned multiple new BMW road machines and two GSA but will not own another.. I'll leave it at that. I'm not excited about the competitions complicated valve maintenance either. Thank you for the comparison.
@reinmansmith Жыл бұрын
Another excellent thorough review… like you say I think both bikes are extremely capable and it really comes down to personal preference 👍
@africamike3095 2 жыл бұрын
Great comparison, thanks Ian! I currently own a 2019 ATAS DCT which I replaced after owning the previous generation GSA. ATAS every day of the week - absolutely love it! - although I do miss the fantastic BMW aftersales service here in South Africa. I'm still not convinced that moving from the 1000cc to the 1100cc ATAS is worth the significant extra cost. Thanks for another great video :-)
@sebastianacosta7116 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Ian, great video, Question: did you ever compare these bikes to a Super Ténéré and a V-Strom 1050 XT?
@ferkuzuel 2 жыл бұрын
Great comparasion video, I am curious about wind protection, on the AT I had 3 gs's in the past and a few other adventure bikes, but the GS have been the best on providing wind protection, Its kind a interesting how many other brands don't pay attention to this important detail. Cheers !
@defylifeadventure 2 жыл бұрын
I think they do but struggle. The GS is naturally very wide at the front, which helps lend itself to better wind protection. The AT and T700 for example are narrow. Better for performance but less protection for the rider. KTM with the 890 have no excuse really. The bike is not narrow due the fuel tanks but they put that tiny bug like headlight on and 3 separate windscreen appendages (the screen itself, the side deflectors, the headlight mask) it just doesn't work for buffeting protection.
@frank_jk 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, as always. Both are compelling bikes, and I look forward to seeing how the ATAS does.
@rjeepster8640 Жыл бұрын
Always in depth, informative and entertaining! Can’t wait for more adventures!
@gertverboomen Жыл бұрын
I fitted Continetal Trail Attack 3 tires on my 2021 AT1100, and this transformed the bike completely. Much more agile compared to the original Bridgestone AX41 on paved roads. This indicates the high importance of tires on the riding behavior of bikes. This is often overlooked by reviews like this. Also makes it even more difficult to make a judgment unfortunately.
@cyclemoto8744 Жыл бұрын
In my opinion tyre reviews are subjective. In no way am I attempting to exclude your personal experience but I can say that tyres which worked for other riders on my various bikes did not necessarily agree with me. Cheers
@ivano9170 8 ай бұрын
I believe that in this case the judgment is objective. I also mounted the Conti Tail Attack 3 on my Africa Twin 1100 and it practically became another bike. Seeing is believing!
@vihreelinja4743 8 ай бұрын
Sure. there are personal opinions and all riders don't use same rubber no matter what the sport is. but there are also facts like air pressure and rubber hardness... @@cyclemoto8744
@lf3106 2 жыл бұрын
Great video as always. Agree 100% on all. Just purchased 3 weeks ago my 22 Africa twin 1100es adventure sports dct and love it so far. Did all my homework comparisons between these two and also the Tiger 1200 gt explorer. My personal choice was based on price, maintenance cost, parts and accessories cost, also dealers locations and reliability. I'm coming from Harley davidson sporter, street glide, road glide and Honda VTX 1800 all of them shifted gears, but this dct from Honda ohhh man it's a dream on how smooth and quick it shift, and in heavy city traffic is a home run. I still keep my 07 Honda VTX 1800 and this AT now for my adventures days, I'm very satisfied with my decision and can't wait for my next ride.
@filipledoux3565 2 жыл бұрын
Super video.First time I hear about the AT lighting system. Tx Ian for adding kms / liters etc. Greetings from Belgium
@mikemerrill175 2 жыл бұрын
Your analysis & reporting are getting better and better. Thanks for your honesty.
@olafrotkohl5898 2 жыл бұрын
This is the comparison I’ve been waiting for. I had a GSA for 7 years and loved it up to the day I sadly had to sell it when I moved out of the US. Now I’m on a 2020 Africa Twin here in France and love it as well. I’ve been curious how the AT would stack up against the newest GSA. Thank you for this great review!
@riaandewinnaar5040 2 жыл бұрын
One of the few moto KZfaqrs I actually enjoy and watch for credible info. A bit boring from time to time but always well-conveyed in-depth information.
@Roger_Ramjet Жыл бұрын
A very good channel but he's awfully serious... You can smile and still make good points
@riaandewinnaar5040 Жыл бұрын
@@Roger_Ramjet I watch that Canadian bloke for entertainment. As mentioned here a little boring and long-winded. Here I get the full story though, a fair tradeoff. ;)
@paulhollis7602 2 жыл бұрын
Loved this comparison between these two. I have a 2021 AT, base model, 6 speed, but I have put a lot into it, i.e., full Panniers, engine guards, fairing guards, and even went as far as putting tubeless spoked rims on it which I attached a set of Michelin Anakee adventure tires on it. I put a set of Metzeler Karoo 3s on the original rims, for playing in the dirt. I am leaving southeast Alabama this Saturday and riding to California to do some riding on the PCH 1. If you happen to see me out there, run me down and say hey. Really love your videos, keep up the good work.
@matticusmac6452 2 жыл бұрын
Ian, next level review, a professional in your craft.
@johngittins6244 2 жыл бұрын
A very interesting review ! I’ve got the latest ATAS and absolutely love it. I think it does have a greater off road bias than the GS but is also good at touring. Also it’s nice and slim. I find the GS a bit ‘fat’. Of course for an even greater off road bias there are the KTMs etc. all depends on the degree of road vs off road.
@piotrwydmuch9413 Жыл бұрын
Hello :) Thank you for this awesome comparison video. I am currently deciding between these two bikes. I am leaning towards Africa Twin 1100 AS as well, but i still don't know if i shoul go with DCT or Manual? Can you please tell me why you bought a Manual, i remember your video a while back where you praised the DCT saying that if you'd buy one it would be a DCT for sure. Please help? Thank you so much for all your hard work :)
@johngraham8052 Жыл бұрын
I've now watched a range of your videos all of which are excellent and informative. Subscribed.
@sniglom Жыл бұрын
Hi, new viewer here. I really liked your review. You have a friendly vibe that makes it enjoyable to watch. Seems like you're trying your best to be objective, which actually makes it more interesting since you dive in to different perspectives.
@montgomeryscott Жыл бұрын
Watching your previous videos I was sure you're gonna get an AT but I was also pretty sure it's gonna be a DCT version. I was surprised when you said it was manual.
@Washoejim Жыл бұрын
I really like both but the replacement of parts that might get broken is very expensive, I lean toward the Africa Twin, but doing routine maintenance is a bit of a pain. and the fairings and bodyworks might be a little fragile.
@stevematthis3199 Жыл бұрын
Your videos are very detailed. Excellent job. Thanks for the work you put in to them,
@Omnivic Жыл бұрын
Great review. You hit a lot of the things I was concerned about. Helps making a decision much easier. Also made it a little more complicated. Do I wait for the 1300GS or just go for it now?
@SvetlioOD Жыл бұрын
Some really nice points raised, and of course at the end it is going to come down to personal preferences since both bikes are so different. My question is - why did you get the manual AT? You had such nice things to say about the DCT. I am wondering myself about getting the AT and this is probably my biggest question
@wouterdevos7661 Жыл бұрын
Buy one ...the dct is very good ....i travel alot ...from south africa to namibia....i love it
@meinekleineweltreise 2 жыл бұрын
I’m travelling with a AT 2020 standard for five month now. And I absolutely love this bike, even though it’s a really heavy bike. Just wish Honda would have implemented a small box for my cellphone like Triumph does. Otherwise to be able to use CarPlay/android auto is awesome! Nice video as always!
@zugmeister314 Жыл бұрын
Consider a quad lock charging mount. I don’t know about Android but Apple’s maps won’t turn off if there’s power going to the phone and you can use that big display for bike information. You’ll find you’re more adept at the phone touchscreen than the handlebar buttons and the bike touchscreen won’t accept input if the bike’s moving. If you can hold out Black Friday is your friend for that stuff.
@meinekleineweltreise Жыл бұрын
@@zugmeister314 Thanks for advice! But I prefer to use the AT’s big screen for navigation. Currently I’m using a SW-Motech micro tankbag with my phone on top. But I don’t like to have a tankbag in front of me. Of course I could use any phone mount but then have to deal with the cable flying around. So I would really like to have a clean solution how to find at a Triumph Tiger 900. Probably have to figure out something by myself! 😉
@staudio 2 жыл бұрын
Nice comparison video. Congrats on the new bike. I'm guessing who ever buys your GSA is getting a well cared for used bike. Looking forward to the next video.
@talltree3534 Жыл бұрын
Oh my! I ordered my BMW R1250 GS Adventure 40th year edition about 2 months ago and I'm told it will hit Chicago in another 2 days. I bumped into the Honda Africa Twin a couple of days ago and it started my head spinning. Now that I've seen your video I'm torn! My first big BMW coming so let's see how it goes. But thanks so much for this great review and all the others I've seen that you've done. Very valuable information and much appreciated!
@Lee-sk2ov 2 жыл бұрын
I have a 2022 Africa twin adventure dct. Love it. Gonna be hard to go back to manual transmission. Only real complaint is the seat is not that comfortable but after 3000 miles gotten used to it. Live in Texas not a lot of off road riding mainly county dirt road gravel works great. Pavement riding has been great. Had a 800 gsa few years ago wasn’t a big fan of it. Mainly ridden big Harleys over past 30 years. Don’t think you can go wrong with the Africa twin. Fun bike on and off pavement.
@basilishellas7291 2 жыл бұрын
I got my new Africa Twin on 11th of May with dct and el suspension in black mat. Gorgeous bike.Love it.NEVER AGAIN MANUAL TRANSMISSION Greetings from Greece ride safe and enjoy your bike bro.
@joecamel6835 Жыл бұрын
Poor baby, maybe buy a 2000 dollar cushy seat ?
@TC-iz6xe Жыл бұрын
Dct automatic transmission is a horrible idea on a motorcycle.
@basilishellas7291 Жыл бұрын
@@TC-iz6xe try it first and then you can judge
@TC-iz6xe Жыл бұрын
@@basilishellas7291 I have its garbage. Its designed for amateur riders might as well get a scooter
@MrSTAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve had a BMW GS and a GSA, loved them both but then last November I test rode a a brand new ATAS DCT ES…..I was sold ten minutes into the test ride for the very same reasons you have mentioned. Absolutely love mine 😎👍🏻
@Comrade134 Жыл бұрын
I don't consider DCT to be a real motorcycle. It's your choice though. Just saying.
@AuRowe Жыл бұрын
@@Comrade134 And automatic cars aren't "real cars" said every wannabe tough guy pre 1990s. Like as dumb as saying a phone that doesn't use an old school roll number dial isn't a real phone. Or an airplane with jets vs propeller isn't a real airplane. The problem is with the nostalgia obsessed crowd, not the new tech. And I will ALWAYS have a traditional bike to compliment my increasing DCT arsenal. It's like surfing shortboards and longboards, the shortboard crowd has a fragile ego and if they see you on a log assume you can't rip, then you come out on a shortie and rip and they give you attention. The problem is with their ego, not the easier barrier-of-entry longboard users. Similarly, the problem is you being attached to what you're used to and identify as. You had to LEARN to ride and find it unfair others can be a "biker" without learning manual. I think its an important skill to have, but the problem is absolutely the one who clings to his old school ways as if its the only way to "really do it". Psychologically, its their fragile egos that the thing they're proud of is getting to easy to be a part of. It's your choice to be bitter and attempt to make objective definitions subjective out of an inferiority complex.
@mohamedsiddig2850 Жыл бұрын
@@AuRowe in this case you should probably be riding an electric motorcycle since you like to jump on the bandwagon of science. Some of us like to work the transmission and feel an intimate connection with the machine the same way an old gentlemen enjoys listening to a vinyl record in an analog stereo while indulging in his taste for aged tobacco and leather boots.
@AuRowe Жыл бұрын
@@mohamedsiddig2850 I specifically said I'll always have a tradition clutch bike, but DCT has as much a place as automatic cars. And DCT has as much of a scrutiny as automatic cars did when they first came out. Not a fan of electric motorcycles because they're difficult to maintain without proprietary computer software resets.
@billmcmeekin7909 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to try a GS just to understand how it feels. I have a 2020 ATASes DCT, have had many big trips and still love it. Great review, thanks for some great information on these bikes.
@user-gz8gf6lh9m 8 ай бұрын
You are my resource for all things motorcycle and I value your work. Thank you for great videos and content!
@juliusjacob1416 2 жыл бұрын
Great comparison. Both bikes are great for what they are. Are you also planning on getting a Tuareg 660 for long-term testing? It checks all the right boxes for actual adventure riding I really want to testride one.
@jokermtb 2 жыл бұрын
I’d love a Japanese Tuareg (the T7 is just too high CG)
@mmm357m 2 жыл бұрын
@@jokermtb it's Italian, made by aprillia
@sventhemoose1218 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ian - long awaited review, and you did justice to both bikes. I feel that scoring price the same way as the other parameters is not really fair. The AT is 30% less expensive, which is a big deal, especially when Honda managed to come up with a comparable if not better bike for the money. Also - I would like to hear more about reliability - Honda is famous for reliable bikes, and I heard some horror stories about BMW. How would they score on that parameter?
@Porsche996driver Жыл бұрын
Seems like he mentioned AT poor access for air filter and valve adjustment? But you get to clean the chain, so there’s that. 😉
@beleatudor Жыл бұрын
@@Porsche996driver he mentioned nothing about the bmw problems, even in warranty period. spokes being loose causing crashes? some fatal final drive failures? I think we'd all rather clean a chain rather than get stranded and pay thousands for a repair. Or have a holiday ruined waiting for parts. even bmw has a maintenance free chain now, makes you think about it more ha
@robertmaynard5372 Жыл бұрын
@@beleatudor yes, warranty Issues Need to be mentioned, I personally had a Monoshock issue on my R1200rt, warranty job...never heard much about It Out There???? About 6 yrs ago...Funny how thing's get hushed up...🤭
@johnasbury9915 Жыл бұрын
Had a 2010 GS1200 for a couple of years, never had a problem but it wasn’t laden w layers and layers of electronics. Have a 2001F650GS, 2012 Harley ElectraGlide & a 2011 Kawasaki Concours14. EFI & ABS (& early TC on the Kawi) minimize the electronic gremlin possibilities.. I hope. 😀
@Glaucidius Жыл бұрын
In the end price is always one of the most individual and subjektive criteria: It depends on your personal financial setting. If $ 5000 would make your family starve go for a cheaper bike, if you have to enlarge your 5-car-garage for any of the two bikes anyhow it doesn't matter. Even the "average guy" might invest all of his disposable money in a motorbike or have other expensive hobbies that are to be considered. As Ian said: Don't take the overall score as result, weight the different arguments yourself.
@urbanadventurer5 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t have any experience with either bike and have never ridden a bike that heavy, so this was pretty interesting and informative. Thanks for sharing.
@cowsnorff 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video, as some others have addressed: comfortable to watch... Lots of information, honest opinionsn -without leaving objectivity- and a nice pace (uptempo).
@Hogdriver88 2 жыл бұрын
Great comparison. I looked at the AT briefly but when it came down to it, I went with the GSA for several of the reasons you mentioned - shaft drive, power, wind/weather protection, and yes, appearance LOL. I really wanted more of a road bike that was able to go off road rather than the other way around, and for my intended riding the GSA’s off road ability far exceeds my own. Good video 👍
@TC-iz6xe Жыл бұрын
Get your eyes tested
@dubbeljubobby Жыл бұрын
👍🏼 Yep.
@pnblondon1087 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting comparison! One thing missing though: fuel consumption, mpg; the BMW has a bigger tank but can you actually go further between fills than the AT?
@bikersoncall Жыл бұрын
Great point, I think he said 8 gal on the GS, range is probably comparable. I can see some people loving 8 gal tanks, but for me, I'd have wanted to stop every 3 gals or so to stretch and walk around, coffee etc. lol
@campingalan Жыл бұрын
Awesome video...and congrats on your purchase! I am not into motorbikes, but always enjoy your videos! However, living in Ouray CO now, I really wish I still had my Kawasaki KLR 650! There are so many places to explore here, and there are days I get sick of trying to pass other off road vehicles in my Tacoma (and maybe a 500ft cliff on one side). Have an awesome weekend! We are heading out for 10 days of boondocking at the Dinosaur National Monument.
@stephanthuering8419 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Ian, a perfect comparison Thank You! Well structured and to the point, too many comparison these days are around performance yours is around the use the bikes! I am driving the DCT version and DCT is my number one reason for the AT, but of course - as you say: 'all a matter of personal preferences'
@dbtrackz33 Жыл бұрын
Great review. Extremely thorough. When discussing seat height, sharing your inseam is just as important as your height. You could be 5’11" with a 30" or a 34" inseam.
@bicimoto5 Жыл бұрын
I can’t agree more with you!!! I have both a 1200GSA and a AT1100L and you were spot on with the pros and cons, and because of those differences I am keeping both! 🤣🤣 🤣
@richardsprings1414 Жыл бұрын
once again thank you for another great video it was nice seeing you as Rawhide Adventure days
@dwb3450 2 жыл бұрын
Very well done. And, as you concluded, this begs the comparison between the Norden and Africa Twin. Looking forward to it.
@cesarebarbano175 2 жыл бұрын
As gsa owner I would say that the seat issue is not much a matter of height but a matter of width. I replaced the seat with a low touratech which turns out to have a different shape and to be a lot narrower. This allows to put your feet on the ground closer to the centre of the bike making better use of their lenght. I’m as tall as you and my feet are entirely on the ground.
@burns985 Жыл бұрын
how tall are you Sir ?
@mikemerrill175 2 жыл бұрын
I would only add that if your riding is 70/30 road, off road, the GS is a far better choice for long distance travel. At least, that is what convinced me to go with the standard GS.
@mikemerrill175 Жыл бұрын
@@ShadyGrady3 faster, more passing power, plusher, better cornering, plus, it looks much better at Starbucks😀. I looked at them all before buying the GS and all the other brands kept comparing their offering to the GS. So, I concluded the benchmark was worth the staggering price.
@zzxx33mh Жыл бұрын
honest fantastic Comparison with clear sound and vid,..You make a great one, and make real easy to decide between or to knowledge.. 💯..
@casualrider9435 Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for your content. Your reviews and comparisons are really a cut above. I have a gs and really love it. I hope you’ll let me refer to a few other videos of yours that I recently watched, and that is your reviews of the de-x, klx 300, husky 501 etc. I think the wr450f fairy able to be played in a lot of states. It seems to me that I ticks the box off a lot of things you suggested to Suzuki for upgrades to the dr-z. How about a video on a plated wr450f?
@luctardif8444 2 жыл бұрын
And you can get the automatic dual clutch on the Africain Twin. This is a plus for me.
@andrewhale12345 Жыл бұрын
I had the GSA for 2 years and did 30K on it. It is the best road bike money can buy. Super comfortable and totally agree with all the points made. I loved not having to do chain maintenance but hated smacking my shins on the cylinders and how awkward it felt on softer surfaces. Next bike though will probably be an Africa Twin or maybe even a T700 or 701.
@selcukcilek555 Жыл бұрын
T700 is the best touring/adventure/off-road motorcycle money can buy. I don't need "more".
@peterkrarup9222 9 ай бұрын
@@selcukcilek555, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
@selcukcilek555 9 ай бұрын
@@peterkrarup9222 That's what I said.
@wardroland270 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Ian. Great job. Good info. God bless. Happy trails.
@arthurzielinski8187 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Love your channel - keep up the good work.
@benkelly2190 2 жыл бұрын
I have a gsa 21. My 7th. Tried the AT sport and wasn’t expecting much! I was surprised how good it was! Very quick and handled well, I still prefer the GS much prefer the simplicity of the suspension adjustment and it stays in the same setting! AT suspension was too fiddly and complicated. I mostly use my GSA for touring and it suits this very well. The AT is good but for me the GSA stays.
@mikemerrill175 2 жыл бұрын
I feel the same. The GS excels on the highway where the 19” front is not a disadvantage like it is off road
@andrewkitchenuk Жыл бұрын
How is the ES on the ATAS complicated? There are 5 settings to choose from on a touch screen and that's it. 🤷♂️
@benkelly2190 Жыл бұрын
@@andrewkitchenuk less so on the GS .. simple as that.
@maxiducati1200 2 жыл бұрын
Totally in accordance with all the analysis and the results, I had a bmw gsa 1200 and I sold it with the idea of buying the new gsa 1250, but after trying the Africa twin, apart from the great price difference of €9000 that I think it does not compensate, apart from that for me and for my use Africa is superior in every way to the bmw
@djamesthree Жыл бұрын
Great comparison, thanks for this thorough run through these two bikes. This was an invaluable take that will help inform many people about their choice for a full size adv bike. With that said, I have to take issue with your stance on chain maintenance, especially for off road use. Dry noisy chains really bother me when I hear them ride by. Now I don’t enjoy cleaning and oiling my chains any more than the next guy, but it is worth doing. Otherwise, thanks for your work on reviewing these and other bikes, I appreciate very much your take on them.
@laurentmoreau3115 2 жыл бұрын
Again a great detailed comparison, clear and succinct :) I did notice you went silent on the AT screen time to power and the left controls ergonomics. Still, thank you (also for the metric conversions)
@nowar-noway-norway6193 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Ian, great video👍 can you do a comparison between the AT and the f850gsa ? 😁
@thomasdoe6768 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Ian, thanks for you video. I was wondering, when I recall you DCT AT video right, that you had a blast on the DCT version and I also recall, that you loved the GSA. Why didn´t you buy the DCT version?
@lonelylobster_9829 2 жыл бұрын
My question exactly
@younesel 2 жыл бұрын
Because the DCT takes away 90% of the pleasure of motor riding.
@GCTO239 2 жыл бұрын
@@younesel 😂😂😂 so you got one? Or are you one of the wannabe experts?
@GCTO239 2 жыл бұрын
@@younesel since when have you been riding bikes? DCT is superb and offers tons of fun.
@younesel 2 жыл бұрын
@@GCTO239 well, to be honest, I did compare it with my experience with cars. It is, by definition a fact that driving with a stick is 90% more fun than driving with an automatic.
@zefautino 2 жыл бұрын
Both are extremely comfortable, comparing to the other bikes in the segment, and both are extremely heavy. I would take the AT only because I don't really like the way the boxer engine feels and sounds. Although I find the AT exhaust annoying. That said, and having owned a T7... Heavy bikes is a big no for me. And these two are way heavier than the T7. Having 160HP is amazing, isn't it? And having that off-road and rain mode that tunes it down to 100hp is even better. Anyone claiming 100HP is not enough, has never ridden these bikes, or is a KTM lover.
@posteroonie 2 жыл бұрын
To me, your logic extends even farther down the ladder. The ATV unicorn is, say, a CB500X with 15 more hp, better suspension, and upgraded electronics. KTM's rumored 500 may hit the sweet spot, especially if the wet weight is around 400 lbs.
@zefautino 2 жыл бұрын
@@posteroonie if a unicorn needs more this or less that... Not a unicorn.
@posteroonie 2 жыл бұрын
@@zefautino Yes the CB500X isn't there yet. Point is that the unicorn for me will be still smaller than the T7, closer to dual-sport territory. Interstate travel will never be a trip highlight for me, just a necessary evil, so I'm always interested in smaller bikes for off-road, backroads, and mountain roads.
@aka_pierre 2 жыл бұрын
The R1250 wears its weight better, it's less top heavy.
@zefautino 2 жыл бұрын
@@posteroonie the 500X is far from there. You can't compare it to a T7, 790 or AT. It's a completely different segment. It's a CBR500 with longer suspension. Yes, it is exactly what it is. Riding position is really bad for anything other than the road/city, and it's off-road capabilities are non-existent. It just looks somewhat capable. Yes, I did try it on the dirt. It's fukcing awful.
@thatmotoapp4823 9 ай бұрын
We just love your videos, especially those where you play off road!
@bikersoncall Жыл бұрын
Very informative review. Thanks for no MIDROLL ADS, I let opening and closing ads run, I hope others do as well.
@ianross225 2 жыл бұрын
Great comparison, Ian. I sold my 2014 GSA for 2020 low mile ATAS DCT ES. It’s so true that any comparison is subjective in the sense of what suits. I have a major issue with power and torque quoted figures because they tell nothing of an engine’s real world characteristics. Power curves are the only measure. And power is, after all, a function of torque and engine speed. I have a question: what is the screen on your AT? It looks wider and more contoured than the standard screen which is the only major failing other than, perhaps, tyres.
@RayzGarage 2 жыл бұрын
You're doing well! I already bought my KTM 890 but I am intrigued with your review of the other brands. keep going strong
@babycriminalchan5803 2 жыл бұрын
when ever i see your videos on KZfaq a big smile came to my face like HERE COMES IAN 😀 oh waiting for this for a long time ☺️ wanted to buy bmw r1250 gsa and wanna travel all around north american continent and all around the europe ☺️ than i saw your Africa twin video and am so confused 😂 this video is perfect and by the way love your videos and the contents in it ❤️ love it love it love it 🤗❤️
@johnanderson9735 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video, I have watched a couple of your other reviews on the ATAS, and recently traded my VStrom 650 fr the ATAS (you should get commission) DCT. I can tell just rolling the bike around in my garage is easier than the VStrom was. It will be awhile before I get to all of the features and tech. So far it is going well.
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