Bob Iger is Chatting Sh*t

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Pillar of Garbage

Pillar of Garbage

Күн бұрын

Disney’s had a rough year. Bob Iger has some ideas on why.
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Here's a link to the full video of Iger's time at the DealBook summit, in case you're worried I'm misrepresenting him: • Bob Iger, Disney’s C.E...
And here's a transcript: www.theverge.com/2023/11/29/2...
Sources - here are the articles I directly quote / mention:
gizmodo.com/the-marvels-bob-i...
variety.com/2023/film/feature...
www.worldofreel.com/blog/2023...
www.thegamer.com/disney-bob-i...
deadline.com/2023/12/the-marv...
www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/...
www.hollywoodreporter.com/mov...
puck.news/igers-disney-de-wok...
boundingintocomics.com/2023/1...
And here are the articles or sites I display, but don't quote:
www.worldofreel.com/blog/2023...
www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/...
gizmodo.com/marvel-daredevil-...
www.cbr.com/the-marvels-presa...
gamerant.com/the-marvels-box-...
/ fyi_secret_invasion_ch...
www.reuters.com/business/medi....
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Timestamps
0:00 Introduction
1:00 Part 1, too few cooks
4:23 Part 2, the message
11:52 Part 3, the moral
15:16 End
Robert Allen 'Bob' Iger is an American media business executive who serves as Chief Executive Officer of The Walt Disney Company. He previously served as the President of ABC between 1994 and 1995 and as president and chief operating officer of Capital Cities/ABC, from 1995 until its acquisition by Disney in 1996.

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@PillarofGarbage
@PillarofGarbage 5 ай бұрын
Sadly, this video means I'll probably be fired from my position as Paid Disney Shill, which I've held for some time, according to various commenters. Help me pick up the slack here! www.patreon.com/pillarofgarbage
@arbitarious
@arbitarious 5 ай бұрын
Rip job 😔
@pedroamaral8988
@pedroamaral8988 5 ай бұрын
Lol, I disagree with basically everything you say in your videos, but I can’t deny how I love your sarcasm. 😅 Regardless of my own biases, keep up the good work. 👍
@TheDiamondCore
@TheDiamondCore 5 ай бұрын
Those people will just pretend this video doesn’t exist and keep calling you a shill, don’t worry!
@pedroamaral8988
@pedroamaral8988 5 ай бұрын
@@TheDiamondCore eh… okay. 🤷‍♂️😅
@Joseph_R._Azevedo
@Joseph_R._Azevedo 5 ай бұрын
You know, whenever someone resorts to name calling, like calling people who like certain a shill for Disney or Marvel or something, I’d say that just goes to show how pathetic, immature, and unoriginal they are, and dead give away that they are not worth any time.
@TubezThe1
@TubezThe1 5 ай бұрын
Iger is like an absentee parent. When the kids are doing great, they're getting praise, he'll be like "That's my boy", taking credit for work he didn't do, but the kid did, but the moment things aren't going well, it's " who raised you", acting like a parent who's mad that their kid is growing into a teenager. The fact that he's blaming Marvel's recent failures on "messaging" is such a fucking dog whistle and I don't even think he realizes what he did, which is worse. He ostensibly pushed the blame onto two black women, a 17 year old Muslim girl, and a woman who had an entire hate campaign staged against her for asking for more diversity in film criticism. The fact that he would use the cloud and Goodwill he's gained over the years just to throw them under the bus says a lot about him as a person, even after the strikes.
@faroffgrace5490
@faroffgrace5490 5 ай бұрын
I agree with your comment, but one small note: while Kamala is a teenager in the film, Iman Vellani is 21 in real life, not 17. Regardless, blaming the issues that the corporation has caused on the creatives just doing their jobs is incredibly stupid, and Vellani getting the brunt of this when she's a young up-and-coming actor is pretty horrible.
@abhishekverma4029
@abhishekverma4029 5 ай бұрын
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@universe1879
@universe1879 5 ай бұрын
That’s what Disney’s recent policies all have been about, using minorities as shielding for their poor decisions
@chromesucks5299
@chromesucks5299 5 ай бұрын
Iger at the end of the day is a CEO, meaning he is mostly soul-less and a shill machine, these interviews and statements are designed for shareholders to keep the stock price from going down further, Its not that disney didnt make money this year, its that they didnt make MORE than last year. And you cant have that in capitalism
@Mysterynovus
@Mysterynovus 5 ай бұрын
In true executive manner, Iger is willing to toss other people under his heel when things get slightly bad.
@judeconnor-macintyre9874
@judeconnor-macintyre9874 5 ай бұрын
It takes a real leader to stand up and say, "the buck stops right...over there."
@n0etic_f0x
@n0etic_f0x 5 ай бұрын
The problem will be, who can he blame if he can not relight the fire? I don't think he will be able to do it, you have a more progressive and more active audience. While I doubt the Relm of Rat is dead it will fe fun to see who gets the hot potato next.
@thepubknight6144
@thepubknight6144 5 ай бұрын
This is the only channel that has called him out Every other channel blamed China, Kathleen Kennedy, or Brie Larson which is bullshit He's the one who approves everything at Disney Plus he admitted to telling George Lucas he didn't want his input in the Star Wars sequels
@mhawang8204
@mhawang8204 5 ай бұрын
@@n0etic_f0x I don’t think Iger cares about how to turn the ship at Disney. He said all this to keep the shareholders from blaming HIM. He just needs to keep his job until his exit, and then it’s somebody else’s problem.
@Pencilman246
@Pencilman246 5 ай бұрын
This is basically what every corporation teaches leaders to do. Numbers down? Find someone or something to blame. Numbers up? Take all the credit for stuff you did. Even if the true reason the numbers are down has nothing to do with the movies themselves, find something to blame and a “next steps to turn things around” and you’re golden. I see it happen every day. My company had a terrible strategy for years but we were doing ok in spite of it. Now that our results have gotten worse, now they’re reversing the strategy and blaming/laying off those of us who were just following the strategy (of course they already fired anyone smart enough to stand up and say “hey this strategy makes no sense.”)
@TSDTalks22
@TSDTalks22 5 ай бұрын
Its wild that Iger has the balls to say this when Barbie, one of the most overtly "woke" movies made in recent years (at least by anti-woke people's definition of the word) is not only one of the most successful movies this year, but also of ALL TIME. Meanwhile, The Marvels is kinda apolitical (unless you count Having POC Women In It) and it did terribly. "Go Woke, Go Broke" is utter fantasy nonsense and anyone who doesn't see that isn't paying attention.
@whosaidthat84
@whosaidthat84 5 ай бұрын
I was IG and got in an argument about this. He said Marvel is failing because of "go woke, go broke" but then I brought up Barbie. He said it's not the same because women forced their husbands and boyfriends to come 😂 How the hell did that make a difference?!
@daviduribe5897
@daviduribe5897 5 ай бұрын
You directly contradict your own point that "'Go Woke, Go Broke' is utter fantasy nonsense" by using Barbie's success as an example, I just wanted to lay that out for you. I do agree with your point, I think good movies make good money, but using Barbie as an example is just not ideal. Take care
@whosaidthat84
@whosaidthat84 5 ай бұрын
@@daviduribe5897 please explain
@daviduribe5897
@daviduribe5897 5 ай бұрын
@@whosaidthat84 Sure. Not trying to put you down by the way. I suppose we might likely differ on our understanding of the meaning of "Go Woke Go Broke". Do you see it as an ultimatum of sorts, that the saying means "if your film doesn't have "woke" messaging at its forefront, it'll fail"? That's not how I see it, and if that's a misunderstanding of the predominate public interpretation of the saying, my apologies. When I made my comment I wasn't thinking that, I felt "Go Woke Go Broke" moreso indicated that films with strong "woke" messaging are still extremely profitable these days. So by making your point that the saying was nonsense, I felt Barbie wasn't the best example (edit: by being an "overtly 'woke' movie" as you put it). Please explain if you disagree! I'm always trying to learn and grow.
@evanmann3447
@evanmann3447 5 ай бұрын
@@daviduribe5897 "go woke, go broke" is typically used by people who believe modern day cinema are too political to try and claim that movies which attempt to put portions of "woke" ideology into their films will inevitably fail. it seems like you ended up getting the reverse idea of it somehow.
@Alexander_Stern1
@Alexander_Stern1 5 ай бұрын
The problem is simple: Infinite growth is not a sustainable strategy. The Marvel franchise was always going to result in diminishing returns because everything has a sell-by date. People got tired of the sense of obligation to watch every Marvel movie and show, and those of us who have been here from the start know that if you don’t watch everything, you might miss something important. This is the same level of fatigue that led to my losing interest in the comics when I was in high school. The Big Annual Events were just coming in to their own and were already showing diminishing returns. “Secret Wars” was cool. “Secret Wars II”…not so much. And there was already pressure to read every title (starting stories in an issue of “Avengers”, only to continue it in the pages of “Fantastic Four”, etc.) so you could keep up. It was exhausting and expensive. It’s the same thing on a larger scale, but now everyone is exhausted and bored, not just teenage nerds.
@RorikH
@RorikH 5 ай бұрын
Yeah, as a comics reader I've been getting more into indie stuff just because it's really nice to know that if you start at the beginning you won't be missing any backstory, and when you get to the end it's not going to be undone in two years, which is not something you can expect with Marvel or DC.
@aaronmueller1560
@aaronmueller1560 5 ай бұрын
So have the films’ quality in general changed at all over the past couple of years? Or is it solely the fact there was a lot of them that resulted in The Marvels being a commercial failure? Also, how many is too many? Indiana Jones stopped being profitable after 5 movies, Alien lost money on its 3rd film and struggled to make profit with Covenant. Yet the MCU had over 20 films and was still growing in popularity by the time Infinity War came out. Why were people not fatigued with so many Marvel movies until now, despite checking out of other franchises after 3-5 movies, often separated by much more time?
@anmolt3840051
@anmolt3840051 5 ай бұрын
​@@aaronmueller1560 Endgame was the turning point IMO, when the whole Infinity stones saga is wrapped up, and RDJ and Chris Evans (the MCU's 2 headliners) leave the franchise. It's all downhill from there, and the situation wasn't helped by the unfortunate passing of Chadwick Boseman. Tom Holland's Spiderman is pretty much the sole bright spot for the MCU, Thor could have been another pillar of the MCU, but they brought back an uninterested Taika Watiti for Love and Thunder and he destroyed a lot of the goodwill that Thor had built up over the years. I really don't think Kang will work well as the next big bad primarily because he has been overexposed. Thanos worked so well because we just got brief glimpses and secondhand accounts of him over the years before Infinity War
@racool911
@racool911 5 ай бұрын
@@anmolt3840051I think Kang can absolutely work with what they've built up. The biggest problem is Jonathan Majors.
@pranavyedlapalli2127
@pranavyedlapalli2127 5 ай бұрын
I like the part of the Marvels when Goose's kitten spontaneously started reading the communist manifesto. Best part of the film
@RayTheomo
@RayTheomo 5 ай бұрын
Trying to scapegoat Nia is such a scumbag move and im glad youtubers (even those that hate Disney rn) are calling it out. Maybe the movie quality is, in part, due to her creative choices. But to act like its ALL her fault is straight up bull shit.
@fork3810
@fork3810 5 ай бұрын
I cannot imagine how someone could watch The Marvels and think “This movie’s problem is that it tried too hard to have the message”
@PlatinumAltaria
@PlatinumAltaria 5 ай бұрын
You see, the only problem with Rise of Skywalker was that it had a woman in it. That is the only flaw I, a movie understander, can find!
@Spitfyre1011
@Spitfyre1011 5 ай бұрын
What the right fails to realise is that if Disney really does by some miracle go under, they’ll all have to talk to their own children who they despise.
@pedroamaral8988
@pedroamaral8988 5 ай бұрын
Wtf? 😅
@Spitfyre1011
@Spitfyre1011 5 ай бұрын
@@pedroamaral8988 right wingers don’t know anything and don’t care to learn new things, so the minute their kids start asking them questions they can’t answer, they put them in front of Disney films to shut them up. Then they act scandalised when the corporation is a better parent and teacher than they are.
@roysmith770
@roysmith770 5 ай бұрын
You project so much, do you work in a theater?
@Spitfyre1011
@Spitfyre1011 5 ай бұрын
@@roysmith770 no, I don’t actually, because it’s not the 1980s.
@mizushogun
@mizushogun 5 ай бұрын
@@pedroamaral8988 what this person is trying to say is that these people with platforms who consistently make issues out of every mainstream movie/ show and want to see the studios crumble Will eventually realize that they will have nothing else to talk about. Their entire platforms are based off of them complaining about pop culture. Well, what happens when you get rid of the thing you complain about? The very thing you’re known about? Nothing. Sure they can make other content and try to be more positive. However, that’s not how they got their follower base. The majority of them will leave & their engagement will be poor. Look at all their videos where they’re positive compared to videos where they’re complaining. They’re practically asking for their revenue to be gone. Or they will still try to find stuff to complain about,, but that will just make them look more desperate. Just reaching for random content to make a narrative out of. Look, most of them (not all) don’t care about the art that they engage with. They’re inadequate media Analysis is already evident. For some of them this is a grift.
@PanthroSamah
@PanthroSamah 5 ай бұрын
The greatest problem of Quantumania is that it was about nothing. Say that messaging was to much is delusional. It was a lot of nothing. The Marvels was very fluffy too, but at least was more entertaining. But there is a lack of heart, a lack of messaging in Marvel. The recent films are just like Thor Dark World: A movie about nothing.
@SymbiSpidey
@SymbiSpidey 5 ай бұрын
Exactly. Most Disney movies these days are so politically inoffensive, centrist and tame, but the anti-woke grifters on KZfaq act like Disney just did a live action adaptation of the Communist Manifesto. Unreal.
@racool911
@racool911 5 ай бұрын
I enjoyed Quantumania, but I'll never consider it a good movie cause it completely lacks any basic character development that any story needs. They kind go into the realm, they beat Kang, and then they leave. At least the Marvels tried to do something interesting, albeit very sloppily.
@mohsin90ish
@mohsin90ish 5 ай бұрын
Instead of replacing workers with AI maybe it should replace CEOs, seems like they're jobs easy enough
@brookeelliott7549
@brookeelliott7549 5 ай бұрын
That's actually a thing that AI is going to be very good at--the jobs of executives.
@MazeDaGr8
@MazeDaGr8 5 ай бұрын
It's fair to say that this has been a bad year for Disney, because for their 100th anniversary, This was certainly an underwhelming with is celebrate it but Disney will Get over this like they always do. However, I've seen people who actually try to say "This is disney's "worst" year ever" and that is complete and utter nonsense Because people who think that clearly know nothing about the Black Cauldron era
@marcospisanis739
@marcospisanis739 5 ай бұрын
Or the experimental age where they tried to do Cgi and traditional animation and we got Home on the Range and Chicken Little out of it. And let's not forget how Michael Eisner, in his later years became risk adverse and refused to make big changes to the Disney parks like he did with greenlighting Spalsh Mountain, Toontown, and the Disney World expansion. Even if they didn't always land, you could appreciate Eisner for what he did.
@phillipballesteros4879
@phillipballesteros4879 5 ай бұрын
It’s actually quite exciting because whenever Disney is in a rut it gives them a chance to try to think out of the box and we get a new resurgence the same way we got The Little Mermaid, Pixar, and so forth. Will it take some time? Yes, and it does get annoying to see chuds have their moment of victory, but I guarantee it won’t last forever.
@Urmumlel7025
@Urmumlel7025 5 ай бұрын
If anyone is having an awful year, it's DreamWorks.
@GeneralTaco155555a
@GeneralTaco155555a 5 ай бұрын
​@@phillipballesteros4879 real shit though. Disney has been coasting on nostalgia for their Renaissance for decades now, while barely tapping into the creative genius that fueled those projects. Have executives control every aspect of a film, and try to milk fans dry... That'll work, right?
@marcospisanis739
@marcospisanis739 5 ай бұрын
@GeneralTaco155555a it's gonna get worse once Nelson Petlz gets a chair on the board. He's a hedge fund manager who's been fighting multiple battles with Disney so he can gain more power. He gets a lot of support from Ike Perlmutter a conservative billionaire who used to own Marvel stock and is friends with Donald Trump.
@Marenks
@Marenks 5 ай бұрын
GOTG3 is pretty woke on is themes. The villain try to make the perfect society by making it like the old United States (the good old days) and he's trying to make the perfect race because the other races are inferior. The Guardians on the other hand have a policy of not leaving anyone behind , so they won together and saved every living thing on the ship.
@ldcg106
@ldcg106 5 ай бұрын
Even Plastic Man can't make this kind of non-sensical reach. 😂
@tino9117
@tino9117 5 ай бұрын
Ah but didn't you hear? 45 year old Tyrone Magnus celebrated GOTG3 for being the first marvel movie ever to openly feature non wokeness!!!!!!
@tino9117
@tino9117 5 ай бұрын
​@@ldcg106not clever enough to say Mr Fantastic who actually is Marvel, instead you pull the DC stretch man instead
@ldcg106
@ldcg106 5 ай бұрын
@@tino9117 Plastic Man is better with the stretchy powers, like infinitely better (it's kind of terrifying).
@brookeelliott7549
@brookeelliott7549 5 ай бұрын
@ldcg106 did we watch the same movie? This isn't really a reach its a pretty solid read of the movie. What do you think the high evolutionary was trying to do? And why the guardians saved everyone?
@Icypenguigo
@Icypenguigo 5 ай бұрын
Corporate executives are basically always to blame for almost everything bad in the world. Good things ever happen only in spite of them, NEVER because of them.
@racool911
@racool911 5 ай бұрын
I think this statement is unfair. There's a reason such a position exists, and it's cause nothing can be made without money backing it up. The executives' jobs are to keep making artistic creation possible, even if they aren't doing it themselves
@Icypenguigo
@Icypenguigo 5 ай бұрын
@@racool911 Absolutely disagree. Corporate executives are parasites. They provide no service, they exist only to enrich themselves and have somehow convinced the world their jobs are 'necessary'.
@haydentcem
@haydentcem 5 ай бұрын
Disney picking their CEOs is just like someone giving you the choice between eating wet cardboard or eating wet cardboard soaked in battery acid. Sure one’s better than the other but you’re still eating cardboard
@Nieztro
@Nieztro 5 ай бұрын
Battery acid would at least add flavor
@thefirstone4864
@thefirstone4864 5 ай бұрын
"Go woke go broke" Baldur's Gates 3 is the most popular thing in the planet this year and the wokest one.
@mizushogun
@mizushogun 5 ай бұрын
I’ve always argued that woke, specifically in entertainment is such a lazy and over-simplified form of media analysis that blatantly ignores other factors to the success or failure of a project.
@Yourtypicalwatchersofvideos
@Yourtypicalwatchersofvideos 5 ай бұрын
Yeah, like what the hell does “woke” even mean by this point? It seems more like a cop out to generalized a minor problem in entertainment than to fully explain the issues, like poor treatment of employees in CGI workplace.
@mikaelste-marie1275
@mikaelste-marie1275 5 ай бұрын
A good example is the new Fast and Furious and Mission Impossible who flop. Those movies are sequel of long running series and flop too. And they are none "woke" by anti-fandom.
@PlatinumAltaria
@PlatinumAltaria 5 ай бұрын
That's because "woke" doesn't mean anything, it's just a keyword nazis use to identify each other. These people don't even like movies.
@mizushogun
@mizushogun 5 ай бұрын
@@mikaelste-marie1275 exactly. The fantastic beasts films, the hobbit trilogy, terminator, fast & furious, mission impossible, etc.
@jeremyusreevu237
@jeremyusreevu237 5 ай бұрын
I both agree and disagree. I think the ideas behind woke are pretty accurate in terms of describing Hollywood's virtue signaling and gaslighting problem. However, the word "woke" has gone through so many changes over the years, that it muddied whatever impact it could've had. It really all depends on context.
@SilortheBlade
@SilortheBlade 5 ай бұрын
No one ever looks at the single biggest issue facing the average person in the past 2 years. Inflation. Most people have way less disposable income now. Add in there are a dozen super hero movies coming out in a year, and people are going to be a lot more choosy about what they spend their limited disposable income on. this is petty basic economics that I have yet to see anyone on youtube seriously explore. I'm lucky in that I have a petty good job, I bought my place 12 years ago and I don't have kids. I have more disposable income than most, and even I can't do everything I might want. So my income goes to a few video games and super hero movies because I like them. And i will say I enjoyed all the movies I went to see this year, I can understand why some people wouldn't go, as they want to see an Avengers if they are going to spend $200 to take their family out for a movie and snacks. Antman was I enjoyed. The Marvels was a lot of Fun, but I wouldn't put either in my top 10 Marvel movies. The one thing I will agree with here though is Disney has to get their budgets under control. Not many movies are going to be making a billion dollars in the next few years.
@grapeshot
@grapeshot 5 ай бұрын
Yeah people are just chomping at the bits especially anti-sjws, hoping for the demise of Disney. I remember in the late 1970s and through just about all the 80s, Disney was at a very low point. But they had their Renaissance.
@AJ-xc4qe
@AJ-xc4qe 5 ай бұрын
What sucks the most about The Marvels is that even when the sequel to Captain Marvel was first announced, there are a majority of people who WANTED this movie to suck AND bomb at the box office because they already hate the character and/or the actress. And for stupid shit that wasn't even the actress's fault and shit she said that was taken out of context. Instead of hoping it at least improves on some of the things the first movie did like I do. Go watch the second part of CinemaWins' Captain Marvel video because I don't have the mental capacity to explain the context.
@speedycheese790
@speedycheese790 5 ай бұрын
A huge problem with Disney is their release schedule. If Captain Marvel was put earlier without being sandwiched in between IW and Endgame, it would be way better received. Same thing with Black Widow; it should've been set after Civil War. And the MCU has lost a lot of hype currently, and the writers and actors strike just happened, so barely no advertisement, and Disney gave up and didn't push the release date. Edit: If not immediately aware, I am more focusing on Disney's stupid releases regarding female driven mcu movies, and how it shows they don't even really want them to succeed.
@thewatcher7940
@thewatcher7940 5 ай бұрын
I feel this with so many media in general. Not that these sorts of people are anything but a vocal minority, I was also upset that the Forspoken game failed because so many people were trashing it simply for having a black woman as a main character when the first trailers came out.
@arcturus1231
@arcturus1231 5 ай бұрын
TBF A lot of people hate Carol not because anything MCU or politics related, but because she's simply never been a compelling character in the comics. There's a reason Monica tried to replace her like thirty years ago, even back then she was an eh character
@brookeelliott7549
@brookeelliott7549 5 ай бұрын
@@arcturus1231 Monica never replaced her 30 years ago. Monica became the second Captain Marvel after the first Captain Marvel, a Kree male, passed away from cancer. Carol didn't become Captain Marvel until 2012. This happened in 1982, after Avengers 200, so Carol had not been Ms. Marvel for over two years at that point, and she had already been returned from the hands of Marcus and had her powers removed by Rogue. I believe she was already going by Binary when Monica was Captain Marvel.
@arcturus1231
@arcturus1231 5 ай бұрын
@@brookeelliott7549 shit you're right. Sorry, Carol is just such a forgettable character like that lmao Really I just love Monica in the role and hate Carol in it so I'm being negative u_u
@bleachpasta
@bleachpasta 5 ай бұрын
Bob Iger being a piece of shit isn't anything new, but the timing of this news is extremely funny when you remember that at least 10 minutes of Hbomb's plagiarism video is dedicated to chronicling James Somerton's history of stanning him for no discernible reason.
@Shift_Salt
@Shift_Salt 5 ай бұрын
I feel so bad for Disney... Wait, no I don't. I feel bad for the people working under them!
@sherlocksmuuug6692
@sherlocksmuuug6692 5 ай бұрын
Ah finally, Iger found the solution! More👏brainless👏amorphous👏sludge👏! They didn't dumb down things *enough!* And he's totally right. I'm a producer's idea of the average cinema-goer, my brain is leaking out my ears. I have the intellect of a shoggoth, mindlessly screaming some learned buzzwords I don't understand into the eldritch wastes. I hate it when movies make me think in the slightest, make Grug brain hurt. Almost as much as when they have women in prominent roles, those people scare me. That's why my favourite movies are the Transformers franchise. 🤤 End me.
@PillarofGarbage
@PillarofGarbage 5 ай бұрын
this comment goes super hard
@jeremyusreevu237
@jeremyusreevu237 5 ай бұрын
Ah, you mean buzzwords like "chud" "alt-right" and "anti-fandom"?
@Hawkatana
@Hawkatana 5 ай бұрын
@@jeremyusreevu237 You've been stalking this guy's comment section for months now. I cannot emphasise enough how much you need to touch grass.
@cantthinkofaname5046
@cantthinkofaname5046 5 ай бұрын
@@jeremyusreevu237those words have actual meaning, buzzwords are words that stir emotions and controversies without actually having any meaning, like “woke”
@jeremyusreevu237
@jeremyusreevu237 5 ай бұрын
​@@cantthinkofaname5046 I'll give you "alt-right", but "chud" is basically a catch all insult that means nothing, and "Anti-Fandom" is a nonsense word that means "People who dare critisize their favorite franchises." And even then, a buzzword can still have an actual meaning and be a buzzword.
@tecpaocelotl
@tecpaocelotl 5 ай бұрын
I would have seen guardians, antman, and marvels in theaters, but I needed a babysitter, and people want to charge a lot even though it was during our daughter's napping time. It was a miracle that I got a babysitter for wakanda forever. She understood that our daughter would be knocked out and we would come straight afterward.
@Urmumlel7025
@Urmumlel7025 5 ай бұрын
Studio executives blaming directors, writers, and actors for their own mistakes. Nothing new and something that needs to end.
@marcospisanis739
@marcospisanis739 5 ай бұрын
As a recent stockholder, sadly 10 shares, I also have been following the situation of how a lot of the anti-fandom is trying to support a rando guy named Nelson Peltz, a hedge fund manager who demands that Disney cut its spending, cuts executive pay, and some orher thing I forgot. I think Iger is trying harder to appease him so he'll leave them alone before he continues trying to take over the company. And Peltz anger let Iger to fire over 7000 in their spending cuts. I think that context should also help solidify why Iger is also going at this angle.
@lincolnbeckett8791
@lincolnbeckett8791 5 ай бұрын
One theme I took away from 'The Marvels' is the mistake of idolizing heros/people. Kamala having this blind admiration for Captain Marvel deprived Carol of her humanity in her eyes until Kamala had to see for herself that she's not perfect and can't save everyone all the time. Monica also represents the person who had their hero worship shattered, since at one point, like Kamala, was a little girl who thought the world of Carol, but didn't fully understand that weight of the responsibility she was carrying, which is why she couldn't be superhero and super aunt at the same time. Dar-Benn is the extreme end of this idea, since she's someone who sees one person's hero as the bad guy. The scene where Carol destroys the supreme intelligence property her as a straight up villain. And eyes of the people living on Hala, Dar-Benn is the hero. And the cycle continues with the Skrulls seeing Dar-Benn as the villain. And finally their is Carol's relationship with her identity as Captain Marvel herself. Her still seeing herself as Captain Marvel, the space warrior hero first, made her too comfortable with using her powers unchcked. That her decisions will always be be the best for others. Once she realises that they've made things worse for both the Kree and Skrulls, she's reminded that she's still human at the end of the day, and has to take responsibility for her mistakes. When most heros defeat the bad guy, they don't often address how their past actions in doing so effect others negatively (be it passively or directly). Though it should have come at a genuine sacrifice, Carol took responsibility in the end. The film DEFINITELY needed more time to explore all these ideas in more depth, but it was still something I thought was quite clear given all the different characters relationship with Carol and what she's been portrayed as unstoppable, all powerful warrior both inside and outside the MCU.
@nightshadoew436
@nightshadoew436 5 ай бұрын
I honestly don’t think "the message" played a large part in the comercial failure of Marvels. Wakanda Forever had a similar "message" yet that movie did allright and Captain Marvel broke the 1 billion bar with a slightly different and more prominent "message" not to mention Barbie became the biggest earner of the year despite having the most "message" out of any blockbuster. I think the reason Marvels failed to such degree is just the culmilation of lackluster MCU (and lack of actor lead promotion due to the strike but that's a separate thing compeletely). You can’t convince me that if Marvels came out at phase 4 it would still perform worse than Eternals.
@Nightman221k
@Nightman221k 5 ай бұрын
If I were a director or writer I sure as hell would avoid working with Disney after the BS Bob did. Want to throw time and effort and creative energy into a project only to be micromanaged and then scapegoated by the CEO? Forget that. I’m sure most would rather not tarnish their reputation by risking it.
@dieucondorimperial2509
@dieucondorimperial2509 5 ай бұрын
Yeah, but for a director or writer, working with Disney means reaching a very wide audience and getting to play with some of the biggest movie budgets in history. And especially if you work in animation, you don’t have a lot of choice besides Disney, they represent a huge share of the work offers.
@RorikH
@RorikH 5 ай бұрын
And yet somehow still better than working at HBO and having them delete your entire multi-season show because they wanted a tax write off.
@Nightman221k
@Nightman221k 5 ай бұрын
@@RorikH Good point. Working for Zaslav is worse because he'll never let your work see the light of day. That's a worst case scenario cause it renders it useless.
@mhawang8204
@mhawang8204 5 ай бұрын
⁠​⁠​⁠@@dieucondorimperial2509 It’s a trade off. But I don’t think that’s what all directors or animators want, especially the latter. The Daniels made EEAAO on a small budget and it was often touted as the better multiverse movie. Jordan Peele wants to tell HIS story when his name was brought up in the Blade reboot. Disney Animation is being left behind in animation imo. From Spider-Verse, Arcane, to Blue Eyed Samurai, every project looks way more interesting than Disney’s uniform, factory produced look. Disney was dominating the industry because they were the new shiny toy for a while, but they failed to evolve, and the audience is moving on.
@dillydraws
@dillydraws 5 ай бұрын
@@mhawang8204 Lets not forget what disney did to the owl house.
@pothakamuri2880
@pothakamuri2880 5 ай бұрын
I wonder if the highest grossing movie of this year has any progressive messaging
@christianwise637
@christianwise637 5 ай бұрын
Maybe it did, but for all we know that was just a one-off example. Let's have a look at last year's highest-grossing film and see if _that_ had any progressive messaging
@SymbiSpidey
@SymbiSpidey 5 ай бұрын
​@@christianwise637Last year's highest grossing movie was Avatar 2 so
@christianwise637
@christianwise637 5 ай бұрын
@@SymbiSpidey I know, that's what I was getting at (tbf it's hard to make sarcasm clear in text form)
@SymbiSpidey
@SymbiSpidey 5 ай бұрын
@@christianwise637 Oof my bad lol but yes great point
@lotushua4886
@lotushua4886 5 ай бұрын
@@christianwise637the avatar series is abt colonization how is it not woke. seems like someone lacks media literacy
@Sky-pg8jm
@Sky-pg8jm 5 ай бұрын
A capitalist having no consistent ideology beyond whatever maximizes profit? colour me shocked!
@Sky-pg8jm
@Sky-pg8jm 5 ай бұрын
oh wait you said exactly that in the video rip me lol
@PillarofGarbage
@PillarofGarbage 5 ай бұрын
💀
@reidheidler5138
@reidheidler5138 5 ай бұрын
Ironically, I think the idea of "entertainment, not messages" is exactly what's bogging these films down -- they have nothing to say, no big resonant idea for audiences to connect with. These films merely exist to make money, but how will they do that if the films have no value to the world outside the Disney offices?
@NEEMProdcutions
@NEEMProdcutions 5 ай бұрын
Napoleon and Killers of the flower moon were streaming films that were not planned to be in theaters. They are by no means disappointments. In fact Napoleon opened higher than Disney’s wish
@Bonaboo
@Bonaboo 5 ай бұрын
Have you seen Napoleon’s budget? It needs the theatre money. It hasn’t made it’s money back and probably won’t. “Higher than Wish” isn’t great praise when Wish just yet another movie this November that is also bombing.
@guygadbois3010
@guygadbois3010 5 ай бұрын
Another point about our friend Bob and his spin - he never actually left Disney when Chapek took over, Instead, he kept an office, had meeting with executives there, etc. This was all covered in an article by CNBC, titled 'Disney’s wildest ride: Iger, Chapek and the making of an epic succession mess'. There's even an odd part about 'two shower days'.
@PlatinumAltaria
@PlatinumAltaria 5 ай бұрын
Well let's see, which of the recent Disney projects have worked: - In terms of Marvel: No Way Home had some good performances, Multiverse of Madness was an interesting concept that could have been taken further, Moon Knight was fun, Wakanda Forever was pretty good, Ms. Marvel was the first thing post-Endgame I can say I actually really liked, Guardians of the Galaxy 3 was obviously great, and everything else was a slurry of mediocrity. Having a cinematic universe means tying great projects to bad ones, dragging them to the bottom of the ocean. - On Pixar's side: Luca, Turning Red and Elemental were all good, but not quite at the level of some of Pixar's earlier work. - On the main Disney animation front: Encanto and Strange World were both only ok, and everything else has been pretty bad. - I haven't kept up with the Star Wars extended media, the last thing I saw and liked was The Last Jedi, and apparently that scared Disney so much that they've committed to never making anything interesting again. There doesn't really seem to be a pattern here, except that they're pushing out WAY TOO MANY PROJECTS.
@AceOfSevens
@AceOfSevens 5 ай бұрын
I think what's going on is Disney has been shooting things with effectively half a script and a chaotic schedule to keep up the constant releases & using heavy handed executive interference & post production to cover this. The process has started to break down. COVID is likely a factor. Rather than admitting this is a bad process (probably also drives up costs) Iger just said they aren't interfering enough.
@PlatinumAltaria
@PlatinumAltaria 5 ай бұрын
Too many projects, and too many projects that consist solely of "we want to make a [FRANCHISE] movie, let's see who we can pay to write one" instead of waiting for actual story ideas. If you make more movies, you make more money, right? Wrong. No matter how many movies they make, 12 months of Disney+ costs the same amount. People went from buying 3 cinema tickets to 15 and then to zero, because why on earth would you pay for something twice?
@benwasserman8223
@benwasserman8223 5 ай бұрын
I find everyone salivating over Disney's supposed downfall bizzare for multiple reasons. First, where would these idiots go next for entertainment? And second, without all the Disney-produced IP like Marvel and Star Wars, they have absolutely nothing to talk/rant about. So if anything, these anti-woke jackasses still need Disney more than they realize.
@noctisastrum7495
@noctisastrum7495 5 ай бұрын
Well, there is the video game industry, but yeah, a lot of these made their career bitching about Kathleen Kennedy like she's the anti christ or something. Honestly, I highly doubt disney is going anywhere, but I do think they definitely need to change in the future
@raptorskilltor4554
@raptorskilltor4554 5 ай бұрын
Tbh Disney could still sell their franchises so…..
@winifredeghrudje9427
@winifredeghrudje9427 5 ай бұрын
Wow that’s actually true
@no.reply_
@no.reply_ 5 ай бұрын
I want DIsney to suffer not fail but not for the same reason, I just find that they make money too easily with subpar work, they need to struggle then try their best to put out creative, bold work again, kinda like DC is trying to do now
@benwasserman8223
@benwasserman8223 5 ай бұрын
@@no.reply_ I wouldn’t exactly call DC’s stuff bold work. More like itself the only work they have right now and our movie bar has been set very low over the last decade.
@nik1987o
@nik1987o 5 ай бұрын
it's just so weird. I really liked Iger before he stepped down, he seemed like someone who knows that... letting creatives do their thing, creating "magic" (Disney-speak), do great stuff and he's just there to check the finances so the creatives don't go crazy. but now he's blaming everyone for bad decisions. cost cutting is all over the place, streaming was his worst decision ever, the parks are suffering (they have no political message) ... he's too old... Disney needs fresh blood and a new perspective to going into the next years.
@alexaliennerd3990
@alexaliennerd3990 5 ай бұрын
I did also see an image leak of either The Marvels or Secret Invasion where it's Nick Fury sitting down with a gun. The thing is that everything in that shot save for Samuel L Jackson and the chair is in some way CGI, including the gun he's holding having tracking points so they can change the gun into whatever they want. The Marvels and Phase 4 films having mediocre special effects is something of a meme now but the scene ends up taking place in a very everyday location. Meaning that it's actually more expensive to do what they did, not less. This also flies directly in the face of the idea that the CG is bad because 90% of the CGI you're looking at, you don't notice. They just dump a good 99% (not even an exaggeration) of the shots in one house's lap and have them work potentially round the clock for several months straight. Point is a lot of Hollywood is broken and the messaging isn't what's doing it.
@sacrificiallamb4568
@sacrificiallamb4568 5 ай бұрын
It was Spider Man 2, the third one.
@lydchaa
@lydchaa 5 ай бұрын
I think the thing that irks me so much about the C suite of Disney blaming everyone but themselves, is that isn't the justification for the C suite that they're there to take the blame? That's why they get paid so much (or at least what was explained to me) - because the buck stops with them. If they're not even going to do that, could we maybe finally get rid of executives?
@Theokal3
@Theokal3 5 ай бұрын
I honestly feel sad that The Marvels bombed. After seeing it, I thought it was really not THAT bad. Even had some really good development for the characters. Also the Flerken scene was brillant and nobody's gonna change my mind on this. I am crossing my fingers that in a few years people will look back at it a bit more memorably.
@ldcg106
@ldcg106 5 ай бұрын
Oh, they will; just not the way you want.
@brookeelliott7549
@brookeelliott7549 5 ай бұрын
I've been waiting for the holidays to go see it as my Mom and I watched Ms. Marvel together and so she wanted to see this movie with me as well. Hopefully there are others like me and it'll get a little bump during Christmas.
@racool911
@racool911 5 ай бұрын
⁠@@brookeelliott7549The theatrical run is already pretty much over.
@Bonaboo
@Bonaboo 5 ай бұрын
@@ldcg106whatever you need to tell yourself, darling
@ldcg106
@ldcg106 5 ай бұрын
@@Bonaboo Whatever you need to lie to yourself instead of facing reality, sweety
@Shelbzz
@Shelbzz 5 ай бұрын
As a woman of color, I just want to say I appreciate this video and a lot of the comments here. Someone raised you right. 😊
@PillarofGarbage
@PillarofGarbage 5 ай бұрын
Glad you liked the video - thanks for the kind words!
@jon66097
@jon66097 5 ай бұрын
Apparently, treating your workers like crap to the point where they decided to unionize and strike had nothing to do with any box office failure. Obviously, it the lack of business suits.
@mr.stuffdoer8483
@mr.stuffdoer8483 5 ай бұрын
Probably the closest Marvels came to a message was something along the lines of not shutting people out.
@mathewperring
@mathewperring 5 ай бұрын
If Jamie Vardy is to be believed then the next step for Iger is to get banged.
@Immortal2022
@Immortal2022 5 ай бұрын
I think it's really funny how Critical Drinker's "THE MESSAGE" line is now repeated by big review websites and now Bob Iger.
@rahhar3785
@rahhar3785 5 ай бұрын
Iger means the "woke stuff" he's dog whistling at Marvel fans, "don't worry we'll go less Woke, please come back and watch our shit" This is one of the issues that we facer as a society, society is molded and big influential things like Disney and Marvel are steered by the wrong headed opinions, biases and prejudices of a handful of powerful uber wealthy people. Iger is wrong in his diagnosis of why Marvel stuff is doing badly, but heyho, his opinion however wrong is the thing that will be the final word on it.
@michaelfraser1073
@michaelfraser1073 4 ай бұрын
Ultimately, this is what people warned about: the studios' commitment to diversity was only for show, and the moment that a movie made by diverse filmmakers failed, they'd blame it all on diversity and use it as an excuse to roll everything back.
@irinaiturri
@irinaiturri 26 күн бұрын
I saw much more this warning coming from progressive critics than reactionary/conservative ones
@luvuberrymuch49
@luvuberrymuch49 5 ай бұрын
Iger is going to kill Disney if their messages get any quieter. The REASON new Disney movies are trash is because their stories are underdeveloped, if Disney becomes any more of a vapid spectacle machine, they're gonna have a rough time bringing in and keeping fans 🙄
@antoniosaesthetic9045
@antoniosaesthetic9045 5 ай бұрын
I personally think the biggest disappointment from Disney this year was Wish. The premise had a lot of potential, it’s supposed to be Disney’s 100 year anniversary film, and it’s a stylized animated fantasy film like what the company is known for. Yet it’s not doing too well at the box office and it just kind of existed. It feels like such a missed opportunity especially when you find out about all the interesting ideas they had that didn’t make the Final Cut.
@brookeelliott7549
@brookeelliott7549 5 ай бұрын
I've never even heard of Wish. I think part of their problem is marketing. I only found out Loki was out because of KZfaqrs. And I follow Marvel.
@racool911
@racool911 5 ай бұрын
@@brookeelliott7549Wish was definitely marketed heavily. It goes to show how much word of mouth matters.
@jeremyusreevu237
@jeremyusreevu237 5 ай бұрын
The problem with Wish is that it tried way too hard to capture the hardcore Disney fans.
@mariannedarrow7227
@mariannedarrow7227 5 ай бұрын
Yeah, just another super rich guy looking after himself. But you're definitely right about creatives.Great video PoG.
@pastlesandfish
@pastlesandfish 5 ай бұрын
So having female main characters is woke. Christ alive, how do these people function in everyday life when they encounter women everywhere? Is life woke?
@ldcg106
@ldcg106 5 ай бұрын
You do know that the same people who call Marvel woke also love Terminator, Alien, Xena: Warrior Princess, Wonder Woman, Arcane and the like, right?
@darkwingduck3477
@darkwingduck3477 5 ай бұрын
@@ldcg106 You mean they pretend to like those things. We all know the act. They literally parrot the exact same crap from each other. It's not authentic.
@ldcg106
@ldcg106 5 ай бұрын
@@darkwingduck3477 You mean how like Disney, Sony, Microsoft, Amazon, Apple, and Hollywood in general pretend to give a crap about social issues and people, but when they have to show a modicum of backbone in China, they bend over a table to have the communist hand shoved up their prolapsed @ss? You mean how they race swap historical figures and deflect their blatant racism to anyone who points it out? How they b¡tch about "modernizing" franchises and FUBARing them beyond recognition? How they keep pandering to the "modern audience" that doesn't support them financially? We all know the act. They literally parrot the exact same crap from each other. It's not authentic. Difference is the real fans are not destroying the franchises that we love like filthy parasites.
@jeremyusreevu237
@jeremyusreevu237 5 ай бұрын
​​@@darkwingduck3477 If they're pretending, why don't they just say that they like all female characters? Why do they only pick a select few, and ignore modern characters like Rey and Captain Marvel? After all, it doesn't matter, and they're only pretending. So why don't they just pretend to like the characters that won't make them bigots? And by that logic, how do I know that you're not pretending when you're praising female characters? You could just be doing it to hide your sexism. Gee it's almost like that entire thing you just said is a stupid bit of mental gymnastics, done order to preserve your narrative that people like Drinker or Nerdrotic are bigots in order to avoid the fact that the female Characters they complain about are actually poorly written.
@Bonaboo
@Bonaboo 5 ай бұрын
@@jeremyusreevu237 actually, no, he’s right- it’s pretty obvious that they’re just pretending to like female characters like Jinx and Sarah Connor. They don’t actually enjoy media, at least not like normal people. They want to be angry, constantly. They try to claim movies like Mario and Spider-Verse are going to fail, because of “girlboss” characters… and then when those movies succeed, they backpedal. They don’t outright state their bigotry toward women, because that would make it obvious that they are emotional men, who’s opinions come from hate, not logic. And those grifters you mentioned make it clear they have no real principles, just outrage bait. Otherwise they wouldn’t claim Mario, Spider-Verse, and Barbie are bad and will fail, then jump ship and cling to the next outrage topic, having no interest in defending their prior opinions.
@darkwingduck3477
@darkwingduck3477 5 ай бұрын
One could argue that the Marvels needed to be more "woke." Captain Marvel's feminism is much more pronounced in the comics then in any of the movies. Disney doesn't go into that nearly as much they could (and maybe should.) In the first Captain Marvel movie there was that one scene where she deals with that misogynist who tells her she needs to smile and that's about as "feminist" as the movie gets. In "The Marvels" even that small amount of feminism is nowhere to be seen. I suppose Captain Marvel even existing as a female pilot and super hero could be feminist in and of itself, at least of the first wave kind. But if that's what the anti-wokes mean when crying about "wokeness" then they are basically demanding that women have no representation at all and that we go back to post ww2 gender roles.
@irinaiturri
@irinaiturri 26 күн бұрын
Basically this, the antiwokes are regressive in that way Yeah, some of them still claim that they like some strong female characters, like Ripley, Sarah Connor, Toph or some anime protagonist (like Frieren), but in the case of western female characters I doubt if they would like if that characters would be created and released today
@GhostOnTheHalfShell
@GhostOnTheHalfShell 4 ай бұрын
Now I understand why scholagladitoria stopped dealing with Shad.
@wagenbach
@wagenbach 5 ай бұрын
The political message of the Marvels was "Women are people" duh! **eye roll**
@daviduribe5897
@daviduribe5897 5 ай бұрын
Great video, thank you. This money is for everything you've been creating for the past while, not just this one clip. I wish I could give more. You give hope that the internet doesn't have to be a hateful wasteland of misinformation.
@PillarofGarbage
@PillarofGarbage 5 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for the support! Some more good stuff coming soon 🫡
@daviduribe5897
@daviduribe5897 5 ай бұрын
@@PillarofGarbage cheers, you deserve it. Looking forward to your next projects! Please take care 🙏
@cheriann6461
@cheriann6461 5 ай бұрын
Great analysis.
@princessjello
@princessjello 5 ай бұрын
Theres literally a quote from Iger about how making art is secondary to making money. idk how anyone takes anything the dude says about art seriously.
@alexaliennerd3990
@alexaliennerd3990 5 ай бұрын
I think that was his mentor, Michael Eisner. Either way the head of a film studio saying "We have no obligation to make art, we have no obligation to tell good stories" or whatever he said is pretty chilling. It's like people who own restaurants saying "We have no obligation to have the customers leave without the help of paramedics".
@Monkeyboy1138
@Monkeyboy1138 5 ай бұрын
The director not being invited to the crew screening is actually pretty normal. They’re intended more as a way that those that worked on the movie can enjoy and reflect back on their work without the pressures of the higher ups in their presence.
@PillarofGarbage
@PillarofGarbage 5 ай бұрын
You might be right - the framing of DaCosta’s omission here is largely inherited from the articles I bring up - but it’s still not a normal situation, if only for the leaking of DaCosta’s non-attendance being leaked to the trades as this _big damning thing_
@Monkeyboy1138
@Monkeyboy1138 5 ай бұрын
@@PillarofGarbage leading up to the release of the Marvels the trades - Variety in particular - seemed to be releasing day after day articles about the chaos, the fall, the implosion of Marvel. To a certain extent looking back over the whole year they’ve been ramping up with it. They’ve been taking a lot of industry things that the average Joe doesn’t know about movie making - but are things that happen in most franchises - and making a drama out of it or citing sources of ‘dude trust me’, it was this year the trades decided to try and bring down Marvel. Worth looking in to.
@blackhatmaster88
@blackhatmaster88 5 ай бұрын
House of the Dragon proved it's possible to have diversity and do something good. Disney's problem is quantity and quality and the excuse that the movies are bad due to executive not being there... They hired a director for that and all the shitstorm she's taking is unjustified. That being said she shouldn't have been hired in the first place (like many others) as she only directed a couple of low budget movies. They want women of color directing stuff, I have no issue with that but at least, let them direct a few movies, some marvel episodes... and keep the bests, same for writers or other positions. I loved how with Sam Rami, there was his horror touch (though restricted), with Waititi, you have humor, with Chloe Zhao, it's character driven with good photo. I want good directors with good scripts and every hero having its style. Right now we have a lot of projects with no quality and "the message" which gives people the feeling "the message" replaces the quality.
@Peasham
@Peasham 5 ай бұрын
What is the message
@luggystykz
@luggystykz 5 ай бұрын
When the usual crowd calls something like The Marvels "woke" or "political" they really end up giving the game away. It's so apolitical and safe. But two-thirds of its main cast are POC. That's enough for them. That makes it "political".
@SymbiSpidey
@SymbiSpidey 5 ай бұрын
That's why the word "woke" basically doesn't mean anything (other than being a buzzword for anything alt-right chuds don't like). It's intentionally vaguely-defined so they can apply it to basically anything at all when it's convenient.
@ldcg106
@ldcg106 5 ай бұрын
No, what makes it "political" is that idiots defend the mediocre movie simply because it doesn't have men in the leads; if the movie was the exact same thing but with "hwite" men, everybody would call it what it is: bad. And no one would use the skin color or genitals of the people involved as a convenient but ultimately useless shield against criticism.
@luggystykz
@luggystykz 5 ай бұрын
@@ldcg106 or maybe we just enjoyed the movie and you’ve somehow decided that people liking something you didn’t is a political statement of some kind. It’s weird dude.
@ldcg106
@ldcg106 5 ай бұрын
@@luggystykz Teapot, meet kettle
@SymbiSpidey
@SymbiSpidey 5 ай бұрын
@ldcg106 I've not seen a single person claim that the movie is good just because it stars women. I have, however, seen weirdos obsessively hate on the movie and literally celebrate its failure because "grr feminism" though.
@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917
@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917 5 ай бұрын
The message in The Marvels was the following: "We don't even have to try. It's always a good time."
@SlowSpeedChase13
@SlowSpeedChase13 5 ай бұрын
None of these CEOs have any vision or originals ideas: it’s just min/maxing and risk aversion
@Im_Absolute
@Im_Absolute 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for tha video
@waynetamz3745
@waynetamz3745 5 ай бұрын
Iger brought in Chapek to basically be a fall guy 😂
@waynetamz3745
@waynetamz3745 5 ай бұрын
Disney doesn't even believe in "the message" that they are even trying to push its all just to safe face😂😂😂 Why haven't we had a race swapped Tarzan?😂😂😂
5 ай бұрын
There is no progressive ideas in Quantumania? Are we talking about the same story that starts with a child angry with his dad because he doesnt want to risk his life after loosing so many years with his family? And for some reason the story makes it sound like the child its correct in anyway when she only wants to work in the same shit as her family and go protest?
@HUNT3RdotME
@HUNT3RdotME 5 ай бұрын
God DAMN that concluding sentiment in part two pisses me off, albeit through no fault of your own. Like, everyone really did learn fuck all from The Rise of Skywalker, didn't they?
@PlatinumAltaria
@PlatinumAltaria 5 ай бұрын
Quick, make the literal safest projects of all time that exist solely to fill a slot on a release schedule!
@lithantushelo7932
@lithantushelo7932 5 ай бұрын
I wish I could post a screenshot of a member of a Facebook group I'm in who dick rides Disney and Bob Iger everyday of the week no questions asked desperately pleading with the members of the group that "he's bad but things could be worse" and bruh I'm not having it, these executives aren't even going to stop letting budgets balloon, because most of that money goes to their pockets, they really don't give a damn about the films and shows they make so long as their place corporately is secured
@careymcmanus
@careymcmanus 5 ай бұрын
great video!
@catotheyounger2689
@catotheyounger2689 5 ай бұрын
As they say, pride comes before the fall. The effect corporations have had on the entertainment industry has been detrimental. High time for Iger to leave and Disney to refocus on creating art, not "content." That being said, I just think that the Marvels was simply not a great movie. The story is forgettable and it has one of the worst villains of any MCU movie. I think the movie suffered from too much interference from studio executives. Black Panther is a "messagy" movie, but people loved it. You could see the passion behind it. Save for GotG Vol. 3, Marvel movie have been lacking in that lately.
@basicsimp8798
@basicsimp8798 5 ай бұрын
I still can't forget the "Go Woke go Broke" crowd initially attacked the Mario Movie because Princess Peach wasn't the damsel in distress and became a girl boss, but changed tune when they realised the movie is earning a lot. They even claim the film is Antiwoke now. 😂
@irinaiturri
@irinaiturri 26 күн бұрын
The antiwoke mob is incapable of maintaing an opinion about a film if that film made much more success that they spected
@davidmauriciogutierrezespi5244
@davidmauriciogutierrezespi5244 5 ай бұрын
11:44 Why are you apologising? You're right 😂😂😂😂
@cartilagehead6326
@cartilagehead6326 5 ай бұрын
Really makes James Somerton’s weird love and attempted hagiography of Iger as some (entirely fictional) champion for queer rights seem all the weirder in context
@MrTheQuestioner
@MrTheQuestioner 5 ай бұрын
Excellent episode as always. I can’t help but think that you’re still gonna be called a shill by certain people on this platform ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@PillarofGarbage
@PillarofGarbage 5 ай бұрын
Maybe this is just a 4D chess move to throw them off the scent...
@majinvegeta6364
@majinvegeta6364 5 ай бұрын
There was also an anti-colonialist theme in both The Marvels and Quantimania
@tentonsharpieanimations1351
@tentonsharpieanimations1351 5 ай бұрын
“But I can guarantee you not a single viewer walked out of the theater, reflected on the film, and came away thinking Quantumania’s big point was that we as a society should be more like giant futuristic ants.” **Flashbacks to February, walking out of the theater thinking about how society would be better if we acted more like the socialist ants** 🫣😳😮
@George-real
@George-real 5 ай бұрын
I don’t think it’s political messaging that’s the problem it’s this specific political message that’s the most controversial. I mean with the captain America movies the message is largely about government overreach which is way less controversial and the way the betray it is nuanced enough that it won’t bring down the movie. It’s also important to mention that the culture has become more divided on political lines and the issues they are pushing in these movies is being pushed by lots of media and it’s pretty annoying after a while when you want something fresh. I’d say their main problem is defining lowering quality and how nothing feels connected anymore. I think audiences are also getting sick of big blockbusters since that’s pretty much all that’s released these days.
@Peasham
@Peasham 5 ай бұрын
And what is this specific political message?
@George-real
@George-real 5 ай бұрын
@@Peasham well it’s gender roles and diversity. Beyond that there’s some minor socialist messaging which is popular among portions of gen z. I think it on paper it should make sense to include these messages because a large portion of gen z and millennials like these messages as a reaction to previous Hollywood being largely dominated by white male leads. I think the problem it creates is that when audiences see movies they like to see themselves in the characters and a lot of marvels casual audience is white males. I don’t know a lot of Mexicans that are in love with Mexican heritage who get invested in American action films so when they advertise a movie like the second black panther on the basis that they have a Mexican super hero I don’t think that’s pulling in a new audience or exciting their current audience. The main reason the box office is going down is because they killed and phased out alot of the fan favourite characters and replaced them with no characters who aren’t as well fleshed out and the movies they put out are kind of shit since they are trying to put out too much content. This might change when the xmen are introduced but in general not a lot of people want to see female versions of the characters they liked since it feels like a cash grab or just a worse version of what already came.
@Peasham
@Peasham 5 ай бұрын
@@George-real Gender roles and diversity have been in movies for a good century now, I fail to see how either is a political message.
@George-real
@George-real 5 ай бұрын
@@Peasham your either intentionally ignoring the point or retarded so there’s no point discussing this any further
@jeremyusreevu237
@jeremyusreevu237 5 ай бұрын
@@George-real I've argued with Peasham many times. They have the racial nuance of a Generation Hope video. Arguing with them is pointless.
@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343
@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 5 ай бұрын
It turns out a greedy businessman with no creative talent whatsoever running a company that made its name on innovation, creativity and pushing the bounds of storytelling and filmmaking isn’t a recipe for success. Who knew?
@RobertSpitzer
@RobertSpitzer 5 ай бұрын
To counter wokness, I heard that Disney is remaking Roots as an all white male cast.
@Lunictd
@Lunictd 5 ай бұрын
The whole underperfomance and less critical acclaim of "The Marvels" is: 1) kind of sad for it being an enjoyable and good film with an actress that loves being there and an improvement on the previous film, 2) annoying for the various (mostly far right) jabronis making an unearned victory lap with their "go woke go broke" banners, and 3)infuriating for Iger throwing the director under the bus. Also, why is everyone on the anti-MCU crowd acting like "Guardians Vol. 3" and "Loki Season 2" didn't happen this year? They were both adored and brought people to watch them, but for some reason everyone (of _those_ people) seems to forget them. Edit 1: As for the message/theme of "The Marvels", one could stretch for the Hero's/Heroine's heroics messing things up (the Kree civil war and things getting dangerous for everyone because of Carol), although a better one would be something on Regret and dealing with the concept of Heroism (meeting your idols and dealing with being ones idol), the later one being the plagiarising of MCU as a theme. Edit 2: Pardom my french, but *fuck Bob Iger* and the whole streaming shit. Edit 3 (final one, I promise!): Keep up the great -non plagiarised- work and stay safe out there!
@jeremyusreevu237
@jeremyusreevu237 5 ай бұрын
"annoying for the various (mostly far right) jabronis making and unearned victory lap with their "go woke go broke" banners, and infuriating for Iger throwing the director under the bus." No, the supposed "jabronis" are glad that The Marvels failed, because so many people were shilling for it because "There are 3 women in the lead, so anyone who dislikes the movie is a sexist incel!" And The Marvels flopping is karma doing its job.
@Lunictd
@Lunictd 5 ай бұрын
@@jeremyusreevu237 That's what I said. An unearned victory lap for its failure.
@Bonaboo
@Bonaboo 5 ай бұрын
@@jeremyusreevu237are those people calling you sexist for not liking The Marvels in the room with us right now?
@jeremyusreevu237
@jeremyusreevu237 5 ай бұрын
@Bonaboo Yes. All throughout the comments section, in fact.
@dillydraws
@dillydraws 5 ай бұрын
@@Bonaboo context, been reading the comments and not one person called jeremy "sexist" from what I can see, just calling him but never used the word "sexist" :)
@Joecbg100
@Joecbg100 5 ай бұрын
It's hard to take anything of what this guy says when he has Frozen sequels in his backpocket. What quality control over shilling out more stuff?
@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom
@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom 5 ай бұрын
Iger runs Disney on a quantity over quality model, attach progressive points* (not even messages) as gimmicks... and then blame the messages??? Bruh, your movies storytelling ain't storytelling because you're not letting them cook. You blame the chefs and the ingredients, even though you run the whole fcking restaurant.
@Fantallana
@Fantallana 4 ай бұрын
good video that deserves more views
@jeshirekitenkatt1212
@jeshirekitenkatt1212 5 ай бұрын
i mean i think if you asked a lot of queer people, Disney's "wokeness" absolutely is part of the issue - because it's fake, it's literally just marketing stunts. how many times does a character with no real heavy lifting in the plot or screentime to speak of get to be "the first gay character"? and then actually good queer rep and opportunities that could have been get snubbed or erased entirely (Strange World comes to mind, and Luca was read as a gay allegory by many a queer viewer only for it be *vehemently* publicly denied as a valid reading of the text by it's maker). more of us are safely out right now than ever, and so more and more of your audience is, yes, going to be very annoyed at being repeatedly used as a prop to market on rather than actually included than, say, 10 years ago. not to play "who's got it worse", i don't mean it like that, but i would argue they do this worse with queer rep than they do most other minority groups at this point, but that's probably because you can't typically make someone "visually gay" without offending someone. so you can't even really use us to present some immediately apparent aesthetic idea of progressivism. on that note, i doubt POC like being used as a marketing gimmick either - is it better to have shitty rep or like, basically none is what it comes down to i guess. disney would have to actually mean it for any of this literal actual virtue signaling to mean f*cking anything beyond something to goad people into paying them by making us think it won't be insulting to our intelligence this time (they prommy, this time For Realsies Guys no really) and they just don't. there's only so many times you can burn a significant chunk of your audience and expect us to still care. so i mean, sure, just very much not in the way it's being presented by people who just actually hate all progressivism real or imagined. also i don't rly like super hero movies and junk... i think that stuff's boring personally. they even made star wars boring. i wish they'd just make actual cartoons again.
@doublinx2
@doublinx2 5 ай бұрын
The fixation on DeCosta... it's giving racially motivated Never mind giving, it's all but yelling to distract from him sliding out the backdoor
@jmace2424
@jmace2424 5 ай бұрын
Elon didn’t have a meltdown. He was firmly in control and delivered his message.
@waynetamz3745
@waynetamz3745 5 ай бұрын
Bro was just standing up for himself and his business
@Peasham
@Peasham 5 ай бұрын
There are only two things in this world that are infinite, the universe and Elon Musk knob polishing, and I'm not sure about the universe.
@itcouldbelupus2842
@itcouldbelupus2842 5 ай бұрын
Lol
@takkima
@takkima 5 ай бұрын
there are a few points that aren't mutually exclusive: - the director is being setup by PR hitpieces to cover the Disney execs' collective asses, or maybe just the singular ass of the great Bobby Iger - the director isn't really capable to handle this film, she is cast for ESG checkboxes - she is not really that committed into the project, either due to constant executive sidelining, or maybe she really isn't that into superhero stuff in the first place, only for the money and fame like Waititi - the left thought Iger will save Disney, the right thinks he is course correcting, maybe he is just throwing everyone under the bus to keep his own good name (Iger for president 2028 anyone?)
@Peasham
@Peasham 5 ай бұрын
I like how you're saying the director was hired to save Disney from criticism, implying it'd be unfair to criticize her as the movie's problems were Disney's fault, only for you to then instantly start criticizing her and saying she's completely incompetent at anything and everything. It's almost like you have a certain kind of prejudice towards her.
@takkima
@takkima 5 ай бұрын
@@Peasham look at the facts, she only has 2 small films prior to this, what is the basis of hiring her for a blockbuster superhero gig? she is hired to deflect blows and look good on the DEI score. Not saying the director sucks overall, but clearly not cut out for this film judging from resume alone
@Peasham
@Peasham 5 ай бұрын
@@takkima Are the movie's shortcomings her fault, or Disney's?
@takkima
@takkima 5 ай бұрын
@@Peasham that is the point I said, no hard cut blame on this, 1 she is likely "mis-cast" for the job 2. whatever vision she had in store eroded quickly to executive oversights and reshoots 3. maybe the film is beyond saving from get-go and Disney knows it, so they hired a diverse fresh stand-in to take heat and get tax breaks
@Peasham
@Peasham 5 ай бұрын
@@takkima You are literally currently asserting that she is incompetent at her job. You just stated that. Again.
@I.Simmonds
@I.Simmonds 5 ай бұрын
Huh.....Isnt Spiderman marvel biggest super hero coded Jewish? Has not Storm of the X-men been marvels biggest name female super hero? Is not Doctor Doom half Roma? The Maximoff Twins? Magento also Jewish. Shadowcat seemingly ever Generation X (The Generation not the comic book series) writers biggest crush? Earnie from Blerd without fear has put together multiple all black superhero teams using X-book characters, do these reactionary talking heads read comics, or just the 1970's nostalgia stuff of the Bendis/Brevoort era?
@thepubknight6144
@thepubknight6144 5 ай бұрын
I'm glad you pointed out Peter Parker is Jewish he's just an atheist Marvel comics is pretty well known for all the main minority and LGBT characters and mostly created by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby It's shows shills like the critical drinker aren't marvel comic fans they're grifters
@NoNotThatPaul
@NoNotThatPaul 5 ай бұрын
Your work is great, thank you
@havocgr1976
@havocgr1976 4 ай бұрын
None of these flops are really the failure of directors,considering how inexperienced some of em are,its a miracle they did their work fine.They are the failure of writers and corporate meddling,and cutting crucial jobs while still having huge budgets somehow!And some of these should have been shut down as ideas the second someone pitched em.In simple words, message or no message, make a damn good movie and people WILL watch it.Can I remind everyone of Modok in Antman?!
@uriponte2625
@uriponte2625 5 ай бұрын
Yeah, he went to my school and I went to a talk with him a few days ago at my school and it just felt like he was talking shit
@Arahnk
@Arahnk 5 ай бұрын
I love your channel and your positive messaging bro
@galvatrontimewars
@galvatrontimewars 5 ай бұрын
Great video Pillar. Can you tell me what the music you’ve used at 7:35? I’ve been searching for that song for over a year. Thanks for all of your hard work and brilliant analysis.
@PillarofGarbage
@PillarofGarbage 5 ай бұрын
It’s Memory Rain by Yung Logos!
@b1g_m00n
@b1g_m00n 5 ай бұрын
neat vid as per
@technocore1591
@technocore1591 5 ай бұрын
What Marvel doesn't want to admit is the existence of people like me who didn't see The Marvels because after Black Widow, The Eternal, Dr. Strange 2 and Thor 4, I'm OUT! As far as I know The Marvels is great, but it's part of a cinematic universe I don't care about any more. MCU: Live by the cinematic universe, die by the cinematic universe.
@RRai2000
@RRai2000 5 ай бұрын
More Disney drama. Good thing I am not concerned
@jessrl8025
@jessrl8025 5 ай бұрын
I've always disliked Iger. He was always a knockoff Eisner to me. This bullshit adds to that feeling. BTW, Eisner wrote a letter ages back to Paramount stating (and I'm paraphrasing) that Movie Producers have an obligation to make movies that entertain, art and messaging are ancillary (sounds familiar, huh).
@allandm
@allandm 5 ай бұрын
People need to understand that a film can't be bad BECAUSE it has woman of colour or gay people in it. It has nothing to do with that, there are plenty of bad films staring white straight man.. good writing isn't linked to how diverse the casting is xOx
@jeremyusreevu237
@jeremyusreevu237 5 ай бұрын
People also need to understand that that just because a film has women of colour or gay people in it, that doesn't make the film void from criticism. Maybe...and just hear me out....the film is just bad. And criticizing a film that has women or black people or gay people doesn't make you a bigot. Because guess what? No film is void from criticism, regardless of its skin color, gender, or sexuality.
@allandm
@allandm 5 ай бұрын
@@jeremyusreevu237 well, yes I agree. But the issue is, most of the time people point to a diverse casting and say 'woke bad' as if it's an argument.
@itcouldbelupus2842
@itcouldbelupus2842 5 ай бұрын
​@@jeremyusreevu237you're arguing against a strawman, no one does that
@jeremyusreevu237
@jeremyusreevu237 5 ай бұрын
​​​@itcouldbelupus2842 Tell that to all the people who whine whenever people like Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic make a video that critisizes a movie with a minority in the cast.
@itcouldbelupus2842
@itcouldbelupus2842 5 ай бұрын
@@jeremyusreevu237 Oh you mean the reactionary critics who criticize movies for including minorities in the cast? Yeah got it bro, that's exactly the same as the thing you said. We all know the critical drinker just cares about good storytelling, he doesn't have an agenda or any reactionary views or anything. Brilliant argument mate.
@curiousworld7912
@curiousworld7912 5 ай бұрын
Well-done. Thank you.
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