"Bocksten Man" Style Cloak and Pattern

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Knyght Errant

Knyght Errant

8 жыл бұрын

Note about squirrel species! I put an annotation on the video but I know a lot of devices don't display them. I misstated the squirrel species as the 'gray squirrel,' which of course wasn't introduced into Europe until well after the Middle Ages. What I should have said was the winter coat of the European Red Squirrel. The winter coat of the red squirrel is actually gray (upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi.... The Medieval 'menuvair' or miniver pattern is achieved by taking the white belly fur of the squirrels, surrounded by the gray fur of the winter coat (or other colors if not the winter coat) and stitching several together in square plates that yield the pattern. Other ways to cut the furs yielded different patterns (like the 'vair' pattern adopted for heraldic use), but squirrels were one of the most commonly used furs for lining garments in the Middle Ages. They eventually fell out of favor with the upper classes into the 15th century.
A deeper look at the Bocksten Man style cloak, and how it's put together. Subtle, but often missed or omitted tailoring makes all the difference in the fit of this design over the shoulders and around the neck.
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@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
Note about squirrel species! I put an annotation on the video but I know a lot of devices don't display them. I misstated the squirrel species as the 'gray squirrel,' which of course wasn't introduced into Europe until well after the Middle Ages. What I should have said was the winter coat of the European Red Squirrel. The winter coat of the red squirrel is actually gray (upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dd/MattiParkkonen_Orava.jpg). The Medieval 'menuvair' or miniver pattern is achieved by taking the white belly fur of the squirrels, surrounded by the gray fur of the winter coat (or other colors if not the winter coat) and stitching several together in square plates that yield the pattern. Other ways to cut the furs yielded different patterns (like the 'vair' pattern adopted for heraldic use), but squirrels were one of the most commonly used furs for lining garments in the Middle Ages. They eventually fell out of favor with the upper classes into the 15th century.
@SudsyMedusa53
@SudsyMedusa53 7 жыл бұрын
Thank god his hair survived. Nothing that fabulous should be allowed to perish.
@Aron-ru5zk
@Aron-ru5zk 4 жыл бұрын
SudsyMedusa53 must be one of dave mustaine’s ancestors
@IkarusZmedieval
@IkarusZmedieval 4 жыл бұрын
There is a reconstruction of his look.
@elisabethbjuhr3775
@elisabethbjuhr3775 3 жыл бұрын
That was my first reaction to seeing bockstensmannen IRL. The hair is beautiful. One museum employee informed me that the colour was due to chemical processes in the peat bog.
@akumabito2008
@akumabito2008 8 жыл бұрын
Cloaks really do need to get back in fashion.. :)
@klyanadkmorr
@klyanadkmorr 8 жыл бұрын
+akumabito2008 Well women wear shawls which kinda are similar. Modern male fashions consider it not manly enough.
@JamesPawson
@JamesPawson 8 жыл бұрын
+akumabito2008 Yeah, but I'd prefer codpieces first.
@ptonpc
@ptonpc 8 жыл бұрын
+klyana130 If we were allowed to carry swords in public and duel again then i'm sure they would be considered manly enough :)
@fnorgen
@fnorgen 8 жыл бұрын
It would be pretty funny to bring a great sword to an open carry protest.
@JamesPawson
@JamesPawson 8 жыл бұрын
fnorgen I would get behind that! Except I am Canadian, and having my 1 inch keychain knife hanging out is already pushing it.
@shadiversity
@shadiversity 8 жыл бұрын
Wow, I learned SO much from this vid. Awesome stuff Ian. I've often wondered why the cloak when out of fashion and thought it might have been due to the introduction of the coat, that back in the middle ages it was too hard and not cost effective to sow in sleeves and arms into this heavier piece of material. But then again, cloaks were still worn during the time of larger coats too. In any regard, the coat pretty much fulfils the role and function of the cloak in the modern day, except for fashion ^_^
@PJDAltamirus0425
@PJDAltamirus0425 8 жыл бұрын
+I am Shad I images cloaks are pretty impractical when try to ride bicycle or motorbike.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
+Philip Dyer But you'd look pretty awesome riding down the highway on a motorcycle with a cloak flying in the breeze :) At least until it gets caught on the rear tire...
@PJDAltamirus0425
@PJDAltamirus0425 8 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of the Incredibles and the lady's no capes comment.
@yorkshire_tea_innit8097
@yorkshire_tea_innit8097 6 жыл бұрын
I wonder if it actually does have something to do with the rise in high energy industrial mechanisms, and the cloak getting caught in them.
@Tina06019
@Tina06019 6 жыл бұрын
Ryukey I think it could be; high speed industrial machinery and wheels plus loose long garments is a dangerous combination.
@deadknight1402
@deadknight1402 8 жыл бұрын
Bocksten Man: The Most Fabulous Skeleton in the World!
@TheOhgodineedaname
@TheOhgodineedaname 8 жыл бұрын
Trajans column (or the one of Marcus Aurelius) already shows germans wearing side closing cloaks, I don't think it would be a stretch to say they go back all the way to the stone age.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
+DushinSC Wouldn't surprise me one bit!
@fakiirification
@fakiirification 5 жыл бұрын
Would not be surprising at all. Seems like a pretty simple garment with many uses that could be made from animal hides or primitive textiles with equal ease.
@MrNpc81
@MrNpc81 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Ian, i hope you're well. just a short message to thank you for putting this video up - i'm getting married in March and with the help of my mother (a gifted seamstress) we've had a shot at re-creating this cloak as part of my outfit. We've made a version in grey wool with a black satin interior (i'm wearing a kilt and grey waistcoat/jacket combo underneath. Over the last few weeks we've found that having a template garment made an enourmous difference in getting the cloak to hang correctly, and a number of times we've referred to your video to keep us on the right track. Anyway, a huge thank you for bringing this to my attention, all the best.
@nikemozack7269
@nikemozack7269 7 жыл бұрын
And wool even wet will take upon your body temperature rather cooling you down.
@0hn0haha
@0hn0haha 8 жыл бұрын
>Says knowledge on regular clothes is limited >Gives lovely and well informed/evidence supported info PIck one!!! I jk of course.
@robertayoumans9685
@robertayoumans9685 5 жыл бұрын
Loved the video! My son in law wanted a "cape" to went in the cold. I was Really nervous as to how to make it. I looked up How to make a Cape of u tune and came across this. I know He will love this. The one you showed is really beautiful AND very informative. I had no idea it could be buttoned on the side and that the neck had to be cut different, which should be common sense to me but it's been long time since I have custom made items. I subscribed and do thank you for this video!!
@gayjeris
@gayjeris 4 жыл бұрын
This is a lifesaver, I've been trying to find a stylish but simple, and UNIQUE cloak pattern for LARP. This is so cool
@ImEvan
@ImEvan 8 жыл бұрын
How many people can take a seemingly simple piece of fabric and make a genuinely interesting video out of it? Seriously Ian, every video you make impresses me!
@marcusmoonstein242
@marcusmoonstein242 2 жыл бұрын
As an ex-soldier who has spent way too much time outdoors in the winter, I can say that Bocksten man's clothes would have been extremely practical outdoor clothing for cold weather. The hood in particular deserves it's own episode. Note how it's closely tailored around the neck and head to contain body heat. When combined with a scarf to cover the lower half of the face it would have been very warm. Also note how the hood slopes over the shoulders to shed snow and water. Excellent design.
@MartinTraXAA
@MartinTraXAA Жыл бұрын
Can also not the rim of the hood around the face protruding a bit is a clever feature. Worn straight like shown in the video it protects the face from wind and rain quite well, but lets you see and breathe fine at the cost of a bit of peripheral. If needed you could roll the rims up towards your face to make a more snug fit in the cold, as well as giving more peripheral. The same type of hood can be rolled up almost completely using the face-opening as a head-opening instead and wearing it as a hat, leaving the neck-shoulder parts sticking out the top as a floppy decorative part and the long liripipe used as a scarf to create what eventually developed to become the chaperon.
@CarnelianUK
@CarnelianUK 8 жыл бұрын
I'm liking these clothing videos a lot. A follow up video on variations in cloaks (and other over-garments such as mantles and hoods etc) i.e. how they fasten styles of colour, materials etc would be interesting.
@Tymdek
@Tymdek 7 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@dextrodemon
@dextrodemon 8 жыл бұрын
in australia a 'dag' is the um, pooey bit around a sheep's butt which you need to clip off (or 'dag' but as a verb) to keep the sheep healthy, and it's a common sort of affectionate insult similar to dork or nerd. so this video was unintentionally quite funny for me.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
+Torc Handsomeson Haha, with medieval humor and language, it wouldn't even surprise me if it meant the same thing to them.
@jamesbruce1975
@jamesbruce1975 8 жыл бұрын
I think I might have to get one of these made for the cold British winter days :)
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
+James Bruce Start hunting squirrels :)
@jamesbruce1975
@jamesbruce1975 8 жыл бұрын
I think I'll have more success being sweet to my girlfriend followed casually with... "sooooo cloak?"
@jamesbruce1975
@jamesbruce1975 8 жыл бұрын
Followed with a bombardment of patterns
@wantsewmuch
@wantsewmuch 3 ай бұрын
thank you for such a historic explanation! i appreciate it as a seamstress to understand how to replicate the construction and have it fit properly
@KosherCookery
@KosherCookery 3 жыл бұрын
Reminds me an awful lot of a gunslinger’s poncho for some reason. Very Clint Eastwood.
@beachmaster3486
@beachmaster3486 8 жыл бұрын
Looks surprisingly stylish.
@GigaBoost
@GigaBoost 8 жыл бұрын
Hi guys, thanks for tuning in to another video here at KnyghtErrant dot com. I'm Ian LaSpina. Today we're taking a look at some of the items for sale here at the Bocksten Auction House, May of 2016 premiere auction.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
+GigaBoost Forgotten Armors?
@GigaBoost
@GigaBoost 8 жыл бұрын
I'd watch the fuck out of that. Collab, when?
@demonstructie
@demonstructie 7 жыл бұрын
yes, gathering of the Ians. Get idubbbz in there as well.
@asherroodcreel640
@asherroodcreel640 Жыл бұрын
@@demonstructie my ex friend dad is named Ian he drank all of my father old booze
@PotooBurd
@PotooBurd 17 күн бұрын
I enjoy this so much! Amazing content, best wishes to you and your future projects! 🌻
@esburnside
@esburnside 7 жыл бұрын
Could you do a piece on the medieval fascination with long pointy shoes? Both regular wear (peasants on up to Lords loved them) as well as in sabatons? I don't get it..
@knightforlorn6731
@knightforlorn6731 3 жыл бұрын
before boxing was common, we just kicked each other a LOT more. its that simple.
@splicerparade8795
@splicerparade8795 6 жыл бұрын
I looked around for a while at various tutorials and info about Anglo Saxon cloaks, and this video was by far the #1 most helpful resource for making one, I didn't have enough wool for a full half circle but it still hangs beautifully thanks to the attention paid to the neck opening and the shoulders. Thanks for this super interesting and useful video!
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 6 жыл бұрын
You're welcome, glad it was helpful!
@hedgetwentyfour2708
@hedgetwentyfour2708 8 жыл бұрын
Hi Ian, great video with excellent attention to detail -as always. Personally I'd really like to see the doublet, turn shoes and a clasped cloak (unless that is another hollywood myth) in future videos.
@zxyatiywariii8
@zxyatiywariii8 5 жыл бұрын
That turned out great! I like the color combinations you chose too. Everything I have/make is mid to late 14th Century, so I appreciate seeing how you made this.
@mittsten
@mittsten Жыл бұрын
I was SUPER EXCITED for seeing this video! Not only because its very eductional, but for the simple fact that I was born and raised in ROLFSTORP!! I couldnt believe it really being young what an enormous find that would be. Being raised in such a close proximity to where "Bockstensmannen" was found has probably meant a hell of alot more to my interest in the middle ages than ive ever thought of until maybe now! So many times i went to the place of bockstensmannen with my class and also visited the museum at "Varbergs fästning" (The Fortress of Varberg) a bit later in my adolesence. (I moved from Rolfstorp to Varberg) This video was like a mindblowing connection for me on so many levels. My birthplace might even be the sole reason why i know so many years after found this video. For which im so thankful of. Thank you Knyght Errant.
@robertwinters7487
@robertwinters7487 Жыл бұрын
So bummed that I just found your channel, I have watched several of your videos now and really love your content! I was too late to the party!
@watchdog3688
@watchdog3688 4 жыл бұрын
When you’re ready to upgrade or make another, I will absolutely purchase this garment from you. Price is not an issue! Beautiful work, Sir.
@scanch
@scanch 8 жыл бұрын
Great video! I'm very much enjoying the soft kit videos. I am a fashion designer and I have a huge passion for historical clothing, though I'll admit my expertise lies in later centuries. Your reconstructions look fantastic, and it makes me want to learn more specifics about medieval fashion. I came to your channel for the armour, but it's also nice to see someone interested in historical clothing who really knows what he's doing!
@lukasmakarios4998
@lukasmakarios4998 5 жыл бұрын
Hello people! He meant GREY coloured Squirrel, not Gray Squirrel, which would not be available in the 14th century. Common sense. The european Red Squirrel is grey in the winter.
@alienushka283
@alienushka283 2 жыл бұрын
Hi from Siberia!!! This information is very simple bt this is 1st video where I found it. Especially about neckline))) hope I can sew comfortable cloak for me now))) *sorry for my English)))*
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Best of luck with your cloak!
@sergiodemartinez1415
@sergiodemartinez1415 6 жыл бұрын
Fantastic presentation Ian! I never knew about the "Bocksten Man" Thank you. also the great job on the reconstruction of the cloak. I wish i had such discpline! lol
@sigutjo
@sigutjo 8 жыл бұрын
That was great! Very informative. Hope you do the rest of your soft kit too.
@nathanhunt9105
@nathanhunt9105 4 жыл бұрын
I'd love a video about a proper pair of hose if you ever intend to post more.
@ashleysmith3106
@ashleysmith3106 3 жыл бұрын
Having trouble with references to "dags". Having worked in outback shearing sheds in my youth in Australia, I'm used to "dags" referring to the dried shit in the wool round a sheep's arse on one that hasn't been mulsed to prevent it getting flyblown! Now I know where the term comes from.
@seanbrindley7334
@seanbrindley7334 8 жыл бұрын
Great vid excellent research as always. This is what I really wanted to see step by step. This is now on my to do list nice looking piece.
@BurningMonkey
@BurningMonkey 8 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video. I am very interested in the soft kit stuff. I totally love the videos you do and appreciate the effort.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
+Sean Smith Thank you! I'm happy that people are finding them useful!
@meghinson1186
@meghinson1186 5 жыл бұрын
I'm left handed so I'm just trying to flip everthing in my head while he's talking, super helpful information!
@ronmizerak9516
@ronmizerak9516 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. Love history and this will be helpful for designing a poncho in the future.
@KayshasCreations
@KayshasCreations 7 жыл бұрын
Hi long time history fan, so much that I ended up studying to teach it. Just wanted to saw how much I enjoy your videos so much that I wanted to try and make a cape that copied the design you showed. I am happy to announce it worked. Thanks for the great videos.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for the kind words and you're very welcome for the videos! I'm glad your cloak turned out well!
@azgoalie90
@azgoalie90 4 жыл бұрын
Great information. I wear a similar style just is a full circle and linen, but have considered making my next (wool) version half circle like this. Thanks to your video, I feel i understand enough to try it
@TheAbominableSnowflakes
@TheAbominableSnowflakes 8 жыл бұрын
Very excited for this line of videos.
@thedood7930
@thedood7930 7 жыл бұрын
oh this was a great video, very informative. Never heard of the Bocksten man till now. I'll definitely sub.
@Henrique975
@Henrique975 7 жыл бұрын
that looks beautiful. I seriously wish for one!
@meda1917
@meda1917 7 жыл бұрын
You should do a lot more videos on this, really enjoyed it. Would especially be interested in how you made it exactly.
@zoetsiagkouris4031
@zoetsiagkouris4031 6 жыл бұрын
This is a wonderful informative video and I learned a great deal thank you!!! I would love to here you talk more about woolen hosen and braies and how and what the woolen hose were held up by/pointed to?
@filip4767
@filip4767 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly that cloak is very beautiful, I personally would rather wear the red on top but otherwise it looks amazing, smooth and very well tailored especially the squares.
@rhystakel796
@rhystakel796 6 жыл бұрын
This was a great video. Id quite like to see something about what level of quality/detail was acceptable in various social classes of the time
@Erikaaaaaaaaaaaaa
@Erikaaaaaaaaaaaaa 6 жыл бұрын
I learnt about the Bocksten Man a lot when I was growing up, I had no idea he was well known in other countries!
@BigBootyBadger
@BigBootyBadger 7 жыл бұрын
Where did you purchase the wool for this cloak? I'm currently looking for a good source of wool fabric in general. I would appreciate your recommendations.
@Diniecita
@Diniecita 2 жыл бұрын
Love the cloak. The colors are great too. Could you wear the burgundy side out as well? I would love to see you recreate the whole ensemble.
@lefleurondargent
@lefleurondargent 2 жыл бұрын
Pure genius. Now, I must try to make one.
@Tina06019
@Tina06019 5 жыл бұрын
I like to do piecing even on the modern clothing I make. Might as well save a yard or so of fabric!
@brianfuller7691
@brianfuller7691 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. I learned a lot.
@Hiker_who_Sews
@Hiker_who_Sews 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@jameswoodard4304
@jameswoodard4304 2 жыл бұрын
This seems like a more tailored version of the brooch half-circle cloaks that were floating about Europe going way back. The smooth, tailored closure of the buttons filling in for the more gathered look of brooch closure which itself was considered desirable for a long time. I wonder what the cultural elements were that caused the shift from what started out in the classical period as an extreme and intentional emphasis on loosely hanging garments (Greek peplos, chiton, and himation; Roman toga and tunic. Loose folds of material indicated civilized culture) to more fitted and body-shaped styles. Perhaps it was the slow-but-steady shift in the geographical locus of "proper" fashion from the Mediterranean to more northern climes, or perhaps it was the changing value placed on cloth, or the prestige associated with hiring a professional tailor which was a later development. Perhaps it was growing economic participation by a wider percentage of the population. "Proper attire" was only a concern for those who could or were expected to be able to afford it. This could explain why in the period you are discussing, we have both a high availability of cloth compared to previous centuries, yet also a well-established economy in its usage, because a larger and larger percentage of the populace was playing the fashion game than had been the case previously. Either way, from Early Medieval to High Medieval periods we see a conscious continuation of the Roman preference for drapery, besides of course the acceptance of leg coverings which even swept the Roman fashion toward the end of that civilization. There is an increasing acceptance of "fitting" clothes over this period, but suddenly in the Late Medieval and especially Renaissance periods, men's fashions especially came to the point of fully embracing highly tailored clothing designed to match and flatter the individual wearer's physical form. This trend seems to have culminated in the coat, waistecoat, and leggings civilian fashion as well as the related highly tailored military clothing of the 18th-Century which developed into the modern suit. Thankfully for variety and comfort, elements of hanging cloth came in and out of fashion at certain points such as hanging Victorian coats and some modern styles such as the squared Italian double-breasted suit and the boxy American suit of previous decades, which have now been taken over by highly slimmed down and fitted forms being the high fashion in those countries today. Now, as things can literally only get so tight, the trend has exploded into a great deal of variety with skinny jeans, tight fitting jackets, and highly fitted dress-shirts sharing space with flannel jackets, hoodies, and other loose fitting forms to the person's individual preference with much less emphasis than perhaps any time in Western Civilization placed on "correct" forms of proper dress allowing variety to only continue expanding. Still, highly-fitted tends to emply "higher" fashion while loser clothing seems an attempt to convey an intentional reference (even if sometimes ironic) to more comfort-based, utilitarian, or working-class looks. The trend seems to still be well-entrenched then, at least in an aspect of the fashion sense. You don't find many examples of loose-hanging garments being seen as highly fashion conscious choices. In general, if two versions of a given article of clothing are found, the more expensive or "fancy" verion will probably be the one that's harder to actually put on.
@faenrir11
@faenrir11 8 жыл бұрын
I have two questions, one related to the video.. the other, a more of a topic idea. 1) you said it keeps you dry for a good while. How long would you need to dry it afterwards, though? 2) do you know anything about equipment carry in the medieval times? Today one gets a backpack and it's a convenient way of carrying things when not using a vehicle of some sort/a horse. How would one carry their stuff on foot back then?
@swansman2007
@swansman2007 8 жыл бұрын
+Irisviel Einzbern I can try to answer your 2nd question. Either Errant (on his civilian clothing video) or another medieval youtuber I watched kinda answered this question. They would have on a pouch (example would be a kidney pouch) to carry some of their smaller stuff in. A thing to remember is that the average person back then didn't travel all that much. When they did, their would be an inn of some sorts that would more than likely be within a day of travel within each other.
@Ruarscampbell
@Ruarscampbell 8 жыл бұрын
+swansman2007 One time when people would be travelling long distance is in either military campaigns or on pilgrimage. One popular pilgrimage route in Spain has hundreds of inns the entire breadth of it. Much less than a day's travel between them in some cases! So the need to carry food and sleeping is removed. (other than a day's lunch perhaps and a costrel) In either instance people would normally be travelling in a group, such as in the Canterbury tales. And even relatively poor people might then be able to afford a pack-horse or mule for the group. Where I have seen people on pilgrimage alone it seems they just have larger belt bags and a staff with other equipment slung over it. The military was different but had a supply-train to help carry equipment.
@faenrir11
@faenrir11 8 жыл бұрын
thank you for replies!
@WickedNPC
@WickedNPC 6 жыл бұрын
People used backpacks then as well. encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ-4TNOP3vI3L4HwZSY_6TeBBHG95uRsjUCY7FV5tU6rhvyTRgVTg Wearing a backpack with a cloak is difficult but instead you could wear something like this. www.medieval-market.com/img/ladys_travel_surcoat_t2_0n.jpg
@JamesPawson
@JamesPawson 8 жыл бұрын
I think points and dags help to wick/channel off water, same as fringe on western buckskins.
@KnifeCrazzzzy
@KnifeCrazzzzy 4 жыл бұрын
Man that was awesome!!! Thank you
@fakiirification
@fakiirification 5 жыл бұрын
i want to make cloaks a thing again. stylish yet practical! move over leather jacket, you have competition!
@Darkercube
@Darkercube 8 жыл бұрын
Again a nice video. Was already thinking about making a cloak like that for a while, and this really pushed me to do it! How long was the fabric you used for your cloack?
@sagelawler3323
@sagelawler3323 3 жыл бұрын
Are you going to do anymore videos on soft kit? as these are awesome and I really enjoy the ways you explain everything :) cheers from New Zealand
@Halrin
@Halrin 8 жыл бұрын
Malina has all the pins one could ever need haha, good reference.
@paulhill7726
@paulhill7726 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this. Experimental archeology for the win!
@cuicksand
@cuicksand 7 жыл бұрын
Please continue the soft kit videos, Specifically construction :) Great Video
@Timbyte
@Timbyte 8 жыл бұрын
You are the best!
@Tina06019
@Tina06019 6 жыл бұрын
You did a wonderful job. What a good sempster you have become in a few years! (It might have something to do with engineering, you know.)
@jelsner5077
@jelsner5077 3 жыл бұрын
Beautiful cloak! How many yards of fabric does that take to make that length?
@banthablasterprime1111
@banthablasterprime1111 4 жыл бұрын
Can you imagine if you went out one day and then you just disappeared in the woods on accident and died and your family didn’t know where you were? Someone missed that man very dearly and worried about him night and day for a long time and heartbreak, and what if they thought that he had run away from them or run out on them when he was really just dead. That’s really traumatic and then nobody knows what happened to you.
@mikha007
@mikha007 Жыл бұрын
he could have also been a murderer on the run
@3027085
@3027085 8 жыл бұрын
Hey there Ian, could you maybe make a video about Jack Chains at some point? They seem to be a very interesting piece of armor but it's hard to find a lot of information about them on the web. Keep up the good work!
@AA-rv1iz
@AA-rv1iz 6 жыл бұрын
Great video. I learned a lot from this. So many tutorials leave these details out. Would you be willing to help design a cloak one on one?
@theratking2261
@theratking2261 2 жыл бұрын
older ian to younger ian ''the beard will grow still''
@thealex24071
@thealex24071 7 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised people aren't asking for like special orders on these cause i would definitely wear one of these around if it was good quality and yours seems like very high quality so would you consider making and selling some?
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you, but no, I have no intention of taking commissions for stuff like this.
@steevemartial4084
@steevemartial4084 4 жыл бұрын
Some people do. Look up Sartoria Monro for instance
@CoffeeSnep
@CoffeeSnep 5 жыл бұрын
What about cloaks worn with armor? I know about the surcoat and the tabard and all that stuff, but I often see cloaks, hoods, or furs draped over armors in fantasy settings and it looks so good! Is there any historical precedent for this?
@tykehotep2865
@tykehotep2865 3 жыл бұрын
Tweed oh wonderful tweed
@jennhill8708
@jennhill8708 3 жыл бұрын
I’m looking for a good cloak design to wear during the Winter with all sorts of clothing. What weight is your wool? Would it be difficult to make it reversible? I’m thinking of a dark wine color, if I go with a single layer. It’s a favorite as it goes well with my pale complexion & dark hair. I also love greys & black. However, I’m trying to reduce weight as I’m not feeling well & packing around a heavy cloak is impossible. (That’s one thing that immediately caught my eye on yours.) I’m tired of packing a coat, taking it off in any buildings, then starting over, again. I’m looking at layers, instead. The heaviest piece would be a suit jacket. You’ve given me good things to think about & I’m glad to have come upon this video, tonight. Thank you.
@jonathanjarvis1878
@jonathanjarvis1878 5 жыл бұрын
Such a great insight, couldn't find content like this anywhere else. Do you have a link to the materials (wool) you used? All the wool I find doesn't seem thick enough to give it a good weight
@GodWarrior7771
@GodWarrior7771 8 жыл бұрын
Even thought the cloak doesn't slide off your shoulder when you toss it over, was it in practice for some to use a brooch to fasten it to the shoulder? If so what brooches would have been common for that purpose?
@joker56281
@joker56281 4 жыл бұрын
More tailoring style content please!
@ennisanderson2719
@ennisanderson2719 8 жыл бұрын
Great video ! I'm making one for myself. I am curious about how do you get the length of the dart and is it the same as the length of the dart on the opening on the right side ? Love your videos ! Keep up your fantastic shows.
@NancyReiderLittleGranny
@NancyReiderLittleGranny 4 жыл бұрын
I am 3 years late to this... did you ever figure out how to determine length of dart and also the neck?
@yvans.73
@yvans.73 6 жыл бұрын
+Knyght Errant Hello, I'm interested in making a similar cloak and I had a few questions if you're okay with answering. How did you hem your cloak? My initial thought was that it was sewn with the inside facing out then flipped outward and finished in a nondescript area. Also if you used this method, did the dags give you trouble when making it? What percentage wool did you use for the outer and inner layers? I am looking at some 80% wool but I wasn't sure if I should go for 100% or if that even matters much. Finally, how do you care for your cloak? Usually wool can be handwashed cold and air-dried, but if there's two layers (possibly of different blends) I'm worried it would warp or shed (which may affect whether I use one or two colors). Anyway I've only recently discovered this channel but your videos have already been very informative! Thanks for your time
@passingthetorch5831
@passingthetorch5831 3 жыл бұрын
This is really old, but I'm still interested in your soft kit. Especially the bag/purse. I wonder if cutting apart a well-fitting t-shirt would give a decent basis for the neck and shoulder construction that you're talking about here.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 3 жыл бұрын
"I wonder if cutting apart a well-fitting t-shirt would give a decent basis for the neck and shoulder construction that you're talking about here." Absolutely, it would be a great starting point to understand how the neck hole is cut. You'll notice right away how shallow the rear neck is compared to the front neck and where the shoulder seam intersects the neck hole.
@ray-al15
@ray-al15 6 жыл бұрын
It would be cool if you do an art and crafts for the soft kit
@KorKhan89
@KorKhan89 8 жыл бұрын
What was the social status of the Bocksten man? In your first softkit video, you combined his cloak with some quite upper-class clothing. Does this mean the Bocksten man would have had a similar status, or was there less class variation when it came to cloaks?
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
+KorKhan89 I made it more upscale by including features seen on fancier cloaks from artwork. You'll notice mine is not made from pieced fabric, but all one, suggesting access to finer and larger materials. The added dags, and fine contrasting wool are also features of 'nicer' garments. Those three things remove it a little bit from the original in 'status.' The actual social standing of Bocksten Man is a subject of debate, but most people seem to settle on 'not too poor,' especially because his hood included a longer liripipe.
@KorKhan89
@KorKhan89 8 жыл бұрын
+Knyght Errant Really interesting, thanks. It's fascinating how apparently small elements in presentation and behaviour could be used to signify important social distinctions.
@klyanadkmorr
@klyanadkmorr 8 жыл бұрын
+KorKhan89 Humans are humans no matter the era.
@KorKhan89
@KorKhan89 8 жыл бұрын
Of course, that goes without saying, but these are important considerations if we want to better understand societies like those of the European middle ages. What clothes people wore sent out important messages about who they were, how others saw them, how they saw themselves and how they hoped to be seen. As such, it helps us understand how the society worked as a whole. While our modern liberal-democratic values tell us that people are people and deserve to be treated as individuals (a sentiment with which I am in full agreement), realities, both historical and present, are often quite different. When seeking knowledge, we should not confuse what is with what should be.
@klyanadkmorr
@klyanadkmorr 8 жыл бұрын
KorKhan89 I just meant using decorations clothing and such to define ones social status and that humans socially stratify ergo not really surprising but assumed automatically by me as interpreting historically found stuff. But then what is surprising is that we are so used to mass produced CHEAP things that well made handcrafted items were the norm for even the lower classes we sometimes don't consider. Or how in our times lower classed groups save $$ to buy 'Bling' to falsely present as wealthy when they have lower status and incomes. Just saying human egos and impulses haven't changed much since ancient times.
@Tullio238
@Tullio238 8 жыл бұрын
Great video, Ian, thanks! I'd love to have a go at making a cloak - could you recommend any other resources, sewing, tailoring, cloak, etc?
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
+Tullio238 Here's a list of my recommendations for clothing and textiles. The first on that list is probably the best to get started. knyghterrant.com/index.php/recommendations/books/clothing-and-textile-books/
@Tullio238
@Tullio238 8 жыл бұрын
That's brilliant, thanks a lot
@modernclips3868
@modernclips3868 7 жыл бұрын
lol 700 likes, 0 dislikes....they like you man, so do I. Very good squire.
@crackedConstant
@crackedConstant 8 жыл бұрын
"Bockstensmannen" - the bocksten man.
@Stormcloakvictory
@Stormcloakvictory 3 жыл бұрын
That's why I like the plash palatka, a WW2 russian cloak/tarp. Cloak that was used in a modern context.
@exploatores
@exploatores 8 жыл бұрын
bockstens manen was found about 55 miles from where i live. So for me it was, a oh that one looks like somthing i recognise. will you do the rest of what he hade on him ?
@mr.nimbus4902
@mr.nimbus4902 4 жыл бұрын
Would you consider making a video about hoods from the middle ages?
@MalletMann
@MalletMann 8 жыл бұрын
I think I've asked this before, but could you discuss Armor decoration? Things like surcoats, and how they applied to later styles of armor.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
+MalletMann I do have plans to cover different types of armor decoration, like brass edging, engraving, etching, painting, gilding etc...
@edi9892
@edi9892 7 жыл бұрын
How much does it weight? Most old fabric was much heavier, but also way more durable.
@MAJIK0909
@MAJIK0909 5 жыл бұрын
You can learn more at the Varberg Museum if you're ever in Sweden. www.museumhalland.se/english/ It's pretty cool. Plus, they have the pattern for sale. I used to have a copy, but have lost it in several moves through the years.
@MAJIK0909
@MAJIK0909 5 жыл бұрын
www.museumhalland.se/bockstensmannen/mannen-i-mossen/
@MAJIK0909
@MAJIK0909 5 жыл бұрын
www.museumhalland.se/bockstensmannen/kladerna/
@JustGrowingUp84
@JustGrowingUp84 8 жыл бұрын
Hey Mr. LaSpina, earlier today Skallagrim posted a video review about some stock, one size gauntlets. He did similar videos in the past (he has two other pairs). It's quite obvious that they aren't very protective. Would you consider hitting your gauntlets (while wearing them) with a blunt sword or similar implement, in order to test how protective they are? I'm thinking that since they are custom made for you, and quite faithful reproductions, they might give a more accurate idea of how protective a plate gauntlet *should* be...
@MisdirectedSasha
@MisdirectedSasha 8 жыл бұрын
+TheFilthyCasual Ian's gauntlets look like they have finger plates rather than finger scales, which tend to be much more forgiving than scaled fingers (though both were used historically) and require much less padding. Even really cheap hourglass gauntlets with plated fingers (like you see on Kult of Athena, etc.) offer reasonably good protection. Ian's gauntlets of course look quite a bit better, with the articulation between the knuckles and fingers and (very significantly) the way the plate on the thumb covers three sides of the digit and, I assume, grounds out on the handle of his weapon.
@JustGrowingUp84
@JustGrowingUp84 8 жыл бұрын
MisdirectedSasha Yeah, after watching Skall's vid I re-watched Ian's video about gauntlets, and they're very different beasts...
@MisdirectedSasha
@MisdirectedSasha 8 жыл бұрын
They are yes. I think Darksword really needs to rethink the way they make their fingers if they're going to charge $500 for them. That's a ridiculous amount of money when you can get off-the-shelf Indian/Pakistani gauntlets for $100 or so, or custom made Ukrainian ones for around $250 that work better.
@JustGrowingUp84
@JustGrowingUp84 8 жыл бұрын
MisdirectedSasha This reminds me of that 850$ poleaxe from Arms & Armor.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
+TheFilthyCasual What +MisdirectedSasha said :) DSA is kind of hit or miss, and off-the-shelf gauntlets are iffy to begin with. I posted a comment over on Skallagrim's video but I'm fairly certain this channel is well off his radar (if you wanted to put in a good word I certainly wouldn't mind, lol). DSA missed the historical lines and function of a gothic gauntlet pretty badly on that example, and its very overpriced for what you get in my opinion. They're very bulky and clunky looking compared to real ones and the list goes on...
@agoodun
@agoodun 3 жыл бұрын
Wow imagine that. A piece of wool wrapped around ur body that keeps u warm and dry.
@MrNpc81
@MrNpc81 6 жыл бұрын
Could we see another video on this? This appears to be the only video of this cloak style
@WColdblooded357W
@WColdblooded357W 6 жыл бұрын
Great video, I would be very interested in seeing a video describing the use of the other garments including the hosen. Did the man wear no pants?
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 6 жыл бұрын
Joined hose, where the whole thing was worn as one piece instead of individual legs, come about possibly in the very late 14th century but definitely by a few decades into the 15th. Exactly when they came into fashion in Western Europe is not really known.
@WColdblooded357W
@WColdblooded357W 6 жыл бұрын
Knyght Errant interesting. I was looking up more about his clothing but wasn't having a lot of luck. It's so unfortunate that we have this "amnesia" of so much of our past
@whatever41421
@whatever41421 8 жыл бұрын
Do you know any guides or links that show how to make those self-fabric buttons? Thanks :)
@kshni_ammat
@kshni_ammat 2 жыл бұрын
How much rain does the opening at the shoulder allow in, seeing as the buttons and buttonholes seem to be the wrong way around? Other than that, your re-creation looks nifty.
@cjlind6436
@cjlind6436 3 жыл бұрын
Love your work, Ian! You might have mentioned this in other videos, but what weight of wool do you usually use for your clothes? Where do you source it from?
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I used to purchase most of my wool from Woolrich Woolen Mill, which manufactured wool in the US since the 1830s. Unfortunately they got bought out in 2016 and closed all their wool plants here and now only sell clothes :( Not that I'm mad about it... A couple other reputable wool sellers in the US are Burnley and Trowbridge, and William Booth Draper, both of which cater to the reenactment market. Weights vary depending on garment or component of garment.
@cjlind6436
@cjlind6436 3 жыл бұрын
@@KnyghtErrant Thanks for the reply! I've had a couple Woolrich jackets in my life, I had no idea they'd been sold or closed the PA mill. Very sad news. I'll definitely be checking out both your recommended sellers. I'd actually had the former recommended by someone on Reddit, but hadn't heard of the latter, so thanks a ton! In terms of garments, in this case I'm thinking Bocksten cloak specifically, but since my primary interest is about the same time period as your own, I'm also planning a doublet, joint hosen, and chaperon/hood. Apologies for being so vague. I'm just getting started in sewing my own kit (it's almost embarrassing how long a first draft of the cloak too me), so I'm not really sure where to find info on the best materials, etc. Thanks very much for the reply, again!
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