The stage of emptiness and continual emptying out is awful. It's agony. It's abandonment, betrayal and forsakenness. The aloneness is unbearable, seemingly, for a while. It's simply horrible. It seems to be a necessary stage in the process of 'dying before you die'. And yet, when it's over and done, if that zero-ness (!) appears to happen, then childlike wonder, innocence and unknowingness prevail. Everywhere appears as indivisible oneness, in the kingdom of heaven, or absolute freedom. Then the peace that passes all understanding/knowledge is obviously, immediately, irrefutably, palpably the case. Is that something like the no-self/nothing's happening/it's unknowable/zero position Suzanne that you are sharing here? I love your channel. Thank you.❤☺

Love you Suzanne hearing you is making this “apparent” transition easier

You guys are beautiful. Bless.

You're so right, everything needs to get to zero. A tiny piece of the illusion remaining is enough for the mind to grasp onto and perpetuate the dream of separation. Also can relate to the deepening sense of emptiness, loss of interest and relationships. To the ego it really does feel like being forsaken but it's only the little 'me' that feels as if the rug has been pulled out from underneath it. Thanks for another wonderful clip Suzanne ❤

Funny to listen to this beautiful conversation with two such lovely beings, to be so grateful for exactly this, and to know full well that I couldn’t recommend this to anyone else I know. Not because it isn’t perfect, but because virtually everyone I know would be baffled about what you’re discussing. 😎😂🦉 Thank you both. Very grounding and comforting conversation somehow…

I had the exact same experience with crying tears. In the 1990's My life story took a left turn on Me. I ended up separated from My wife, I took a release from the Canadian military, and I had a mental breakdown which landed Me in the psychiatric ward a few times. Near the end of the '90's I had been out of the ward a few years and, one day, I felt like I needed to cry so I went to My room and lay down and WEPT hard into My pillow for what seemed like half an hour. I had these cathartic crying episodes a number of times for the next couple of weeks. No specific triggers, just felt it coming on and would sequester My Self into My room until the purge was done and then jump into the shower. Always felt so much better afterwards and, now, just let tears flow whenever they need to. ... Kerry (Love Your videos Suzanne!)

I honestly relate to the guest. People always tell me that I have a deep spiritual connection. As of late I don't even want to watch shows like this. It's like I don't want to be spiritual. If this is an awakening then it is not something that I asked for. I don't enjoy the sun or ocean waves like I used to. The only time I can even get remnant of what I used to feel is in the silence or when my mind is off. The ocean and sun used ro quiet me. Long walks used to quiet. All of life was a meditation experience for me. Not anymore and I don't like it.

Beautiful conversation of it. Thank you Suzanne and Seher.

Thank you for having this conversation. It kind of helps me see that what I've been experiencing for a long time could be this emptying. I thought there was something horribly wrong with me, no interest in anything, at times no life force or interest in living. I thought it was very deep depression and maybe it was.... still not sure. But this helps me go through it. I thought I was the only one in the world going through this. But the gurus and awakened teachers say that there is bliss and joy....but this doesn't seem to be the case in this experience . ... until maybe the end. I don't know. Seems I've been going through this the majority of my life and I'm in my 50s now. Only now I seem to get glimpses of freedom and love, but only probably because of following the yogic teachings, meditation and other life saving videos I've come across. Otherwise I would probably have thought I was irreparably damaged goods. So thank you... Why is it so painful?

For those in early awakening I highly recommend listening to Angelo at Simply Always Awake. He has had years to deepen and stabalize and can articulate the varying stages really well. He also interviews many other awakened Beings who you might learn from or relate to.

Great discussions, Suzanne. Not just interests vanish, but also people (crazily!). I often think of Christ on the cross, feeling abandoned by everyone and everything. But I’m getting used to it… and getting used to the overwhelming peace. 🙏

this is soo helpful. you are very adept in this suzanne. hugs

this will be on repeat;)

Sometimes, line by line, you comediate/sing, facial expressions included. So lovely! First two minutes, hilarious (sensu merriment)

Suzanne, your words are; wonderfully clear, loving, and uplifting.

Thank you so much for posting this clip!

Intense Weltschmerz preceded my death of self experience.

Watching my ego grasping at straws as to why I should stop. Ha ha. Not stopping, not sorry either. I cried when you detailed exactly how that anger was released with ease and grace and simply happened. I'm awestruck with how I can relate to that. I'm willing to work on whatever comes up. Ouch. So many questions I need to ask. Looking for a place to "rest" just for a minute like in a panic attack. Over that, move on, next.next.next.next Its just a thought. Ok I'm laughing. I'm so drawn to understanding you and comprehending fast. I'm also wary of pink clouds, or fake agendas, fears, doubt, all the goodies that come with hating myself by age 7. suffering. Normal human suffering. ha ha ha!

Amazing conversation and I am experiencing the loss of relationships to everything…the juice of experiencing is no longer here but this sense of freedom is unexplainable it’s beautiful . So thanks for sharing 😊

Thanks for sharing Suzanne, it is marvelous clear, love you, take care.

Beautiful conversation, thanks for sharing it!

Authentic Being ❤️

Thank you for this one. Exactly pointing to we’re I am now in the process 22:54

Yes angelo has a comprehensive collection of specific topics

Hi Suzanne, Always appreciate your videos. I cannot say that this body here is empty of the person, but 1. It was known/seen by no one, that there was never a separate person ever, it was always just This and 2. In the story, this body was born with ADHD, Autism and PTSD, which always keeps the fight/flight system overstimulated. So my theory is that a brain with these conditions may always create a sense of a hyper-vigilant person inside. But it's just known that no matter how volatile the person gets, there's always only been one thing living, and that is Life itself, there were never any separate individuals. So it never really mattered if the "person" dissolved or not, even with these mental health diagnoses. 🙂 'Love to hear your thoughts on this. Thanks!

Perfect. Thank you

As long as you live in this material world the Ego will be there, the Ego won't die, that is an illusion. Just be alert and surrender to the Soul, your "safe haven" and best protection against the Ego.

Why have you forsaken us

Why have I forsaken me?

🙏🦋🌷🦋🙏

Has anyone ever considered that this is just a person with time that was just paying attention to their thoughts, feelings, and sensations/senses, and randomly theorizing about what they are experiencing ? I wouldn't start to give concrete names, stories, claims of truth or credence to the experiences that I myself was perceiving. I woukd hopefully realize thatbbe wrong or just trying to put abstract meaning to perceptions and experiences that may ne even beyond abstract. For example, I believe Christ saw ultimate reality which is you and me and what we have right in front of us. To claim that nothing exists or that you are not your body is another theory/story/religion/.

These videos always bring me peace. One question, does one lose the ability to feel joy. ? Pleasure has gone down but joy is still there in the background with the peace. An answer would be much appreciated. Thanks.

@15 - 16:00 This reminds me of Eckhart's "Park Bench" stage. I call it "The Cacoon stage" ; Truth Realization happens..., and then (for this body-mind) there was a process...continuous shifts...for upwards of three years before getting to what I now call, "Only THIS". Eternal..., well...THIS. lol. 😄 I wonder what it's like for a caterpillar to go from caterpillerness to, what? darkness? Bizarre changes of reality! Before it emerges into a butterfly, or whatever, and then begins to adjust to a new reality. 🤔😐😉

I just realized... Oh shit... If reality is neutral, then I'M the one holding on to a perspective.... Yikes! Fyi, I've been intensely on the spiritual path for over 35 years so I'm definitely not a newbie!

Re resentment over past traumas-seeing and accepting it fully released a huge amount of energy here. W it, a huge package of judgment of self and other. Very much worth the freedom and lightness on the other side of what we imagine is the “you-may-not-acknowledge-this” inner monster. Great discussion. Thank you for going there!!!🙏

Does everything need to go to 0% at the same time, like a complete transition. Or can it be in stages, like something goes away and then is reborn before other things go away. For instance, my love for art and creation got extinguished 3 years ago but last year it got rekindled and it's slowly becoming stronger. Or will that need to go away again?

I've been through much trauma in my life. Suzanne my question is: is coming back to awareness all the time, or self remembering, as a way to come back to quiet, nothing or "Not Knowing", seeing, hearing, feeling, a conscious practice until there is a deeper knowing? Does that make sense?

I prefer the term ‘spacious’ to ‘empty.’ I’ve found that I’m seeing the world with new eyes. I’ve never really looked at the beauty surrounding me every day. I see all of it now and I have to be careful while driving because I want to see everything. Also, I can’t tolerate the things that I once enjoyed. I used to really enjoy marijuana. It makes me feel awful now! I never thought it possible!

so, are we liberated from the necessity for conceptualization, the need to know?

Why not go to a Zen or Vedanta center? If you’re struggling - they’ll help you. This path is systematized for a reason… it’s very hard to do it on your own.

If I'm not me, who's racking up charges on my credit card?

3:29- do you have a belief the "body" "thinks"? are you implying the "body" has motive??

Videos are pretty funny, tbh.