Great method people always say this $1000 dollar one will put last this $150 dollar one buy decades. That might be true but I have a lot of cheap tools that perform too notch for years and never get replaced because they work

That seems like a good method. Thanks for the idea.

That seems like a good method. Thanks for the idea.

That seems like a good method. Thanks for the idea.

@@MegaQuadguy True that, but a mechanic with worn out tools can cause more than $1000 of damage in a single job. Wouldn't trust a shop with cheep tools. No one likes having their nuts stripped figuratively and literally.

AvE hahahaha!

Thanks, now I won't be able to ever watch those again without hearing AvE's voice in my head. Today we've got an 18 year old from Georgia...I'm super excited to take her apart and see how she chooches!

i found out my wife had one of those exact mats, she was going to get rid of it but i snagged it cause of AvE!

Nicholas Of Alexandria can't tell if you're talking about ashens or casting couch

jappelable Does she still have the black couch???? 😂😂😂😂😂

Ya know how hard those are to get!!?? IDK if they even have a paper catalog anymore, glad I have one...

🤔😂😂😂😂😂

So true!

Somebody's upset that the own the Earthquake lol

@@CanadianCarguy247 it's better though lol

@@krazykracken1159 Doubt it, they're comparable brand new, but that Snap on will still be working 30 or 40 years from now (with a few rebuilds of course if being used professionally), the Earthquake will run out of steem long before that and the likelyhood of someone rebuilding a harbour freight tool, even if you could get the parts is higly unlikely

What does JFM stand for? I've heard it mentioned in a couple AVE vids.

Ben Shamblin just f****g magic. You're welcome

How do u snap one. I’m new to tools but howww😂

But not with airtools. In baltimore they cover no airtools... anything else they replace on spot

Harbour freight does the same thing

@@kingha1813 its a tool brand

never broke but a couple of ratchets over 40 years of working .Craftsman gave me anew one ,snapoff put some gears in my super fine ratchet that never worked the same afterward. I spent about 75K over the years and less than 1k was on snap on. no one makes up lost sockets 10mm or 1/4 ratchets and I have lost a couple over the years .

Really, where? My country is full or hardware stores...

That B anudder ooneely murkin dilemna. I have four in my town.I'm unnamurkin. Not a despot/bloze/Wallbergmart in 2000 miles. Mainors-electrician owned, Julios--steel-fastener-wood,, Marcela(gurl hardware and arts/crafts-fabric) and Milton---glass specialist. Lotsa SS and aluminum goodies

Should have been more clear... one that is worth a crap. I went in the deathspot a few weeks ago and ask the bearded woman behind the counter where I could find a *compass* she/he ask me "what's a compass". (I was was thinking circles not north).

Daniel Graff where you you live buddy? there easy to find anywhere.

Spaniard here. Left my screwdriver at home for a house call (Doh!), so I went to a nearby hardware store to purchase one. Just a regular philips + style screwdriver. None to be had. Went to the chinese run convenience store nearby, a variety of them, complete with fake Chromium-Vanadium marking.

Continue doing shop and minor job work and most importantly of all use stuff you design and want to design (But if you can't get info from people that use the stuff). Those two things will completely change how you can design something. Because knowing how something is made and used from personal experience and work stories, allows you to truly know what can be done to make a good product. Because a lot of engineers now are just lab engineers who know the science of the stuff, but don't ahev the in field experience from using the items and making them.

One thing you will learn later in you education is head loss with a pipe. This is something for you AvE as well. There are some simple equations for loss in a pipe. using basically a K factor for the tees and elbow joints as well as different shapes of openings. The loss equation for a length of hose/tubing (Colebrook equation) based on interior roughness, size, and Reynolds number (Pressure, viscosity , etc.). Its an iterative equation that would be easier to build a program or run through matlab.

It also helped when i was in school to watch other videos on how things were made. Best advice though is to keep getting internships and don't do the same one twice. You learn just as much if not more about what you want to do when you graduate in a position where you dislike the work.

Ryan Cooper good for you man. I went for precision manufacturing in tech school, mainly machining. Also worked in a steel stamping shop with press brakes. And you know what? I am 22 now and I work in a granite and stone countertop fabrication shop as a fabricator and foreman. You will find what you love as long as you move around.

Ehay I'm 19 too and going to school for mechanical engineering, small world. I also love these videos, the more I watch the more I speak like them. I've learned a ton here that theoretical classes and lectures can't do justice. Even if I don't remember everything from these in the back of my mind I'll that there's always another way doing something. I'm currently at an internship doing medical plastic thermoforming, where I'm mostly doing QC which I know if regret but totally worth it to learn that's not what I want to do with my life. Thanks, this is a great community.

LOL

Hehehe

Strap-on or snap-on??

Yeah strap on, that's what that they come at you with when they send you the invoice.

its snap on

I'm not reading all of those words, but you have 16 likes so you're probably right

shit I read all the words......he might be right

Just read last paragraph. I added the rest so people could check my research and let me know if I am wrong.

mmonkeyking11 what size/ capacity compressor did the other fella use?

No idea. I don't think it matters unless it was delivering less than the 6.0 cfm required by the HF tool. The Snap tool lists 5.2 cfm as the required flow rate. Creating a test for impact tools is very difficult because unlike a hand torque wrench where the force increases proportional to the force applied at the end of the tool in a roughly linear way an impact tool delivers force through a succession of hammer blows with pauses in between there the material being driven is no longer under strain. Then when the force is applied it is applied to multiple forces of the tread. I really don't understand all of the physics well enough to explain it but it is much different than the forces traditionally encountered in tools. All of the patents I read regarding testing impact tools all discussed the extreme difficulty in accurately testing the various forces involved. The testing method being used was not patented until 1983, which to me shows the complexity of the problem. The test he was using is designed to measure how the force from the impact is delivered and maximum force applied. i.e. is it delivered with more forceful impacts over a shorter time or lighter impacts over more time. The inventors of the test tool state that the maximum force measurement is not a useful when comparing two tools. The reason for that is maximum force, assuming a properly functioning tool, will be the same at any set pressure. The only real purpose of the maximum force test is to see if the tool is functioning up to it's specifications or if it is malfunctioning. When the tool stalls out when maximum force has been being applied. Depending on the application, such as what material the tool is being used on the way the force is applied does matter. Some materials may distort or break if force is delivered too quickly. Other applications may benefit from the having being applied over a short time. The maximum force applied will be determined by the air pressure, because once the tool stalls out no more force is being delivered. If neither tool is leaking air pressure past it's seals they will both reach the same maximum force. Of course if one is poorly constructed and begins to leak air past it's seals it will no longer be able to reach that same maximum force because it cannot hold the pressure in the motor and will stall out without having delivered as much force. Since they were both new tools the seals were intact and therefore reached the same maximum force at 90 psi. He intentionally ran the test past the 5 second recommended by the testing tool manufacturer presumably to allow the HF to catch up with the Snap tool. So the Snap tool may have reached the maximum force (at 90 psi) in 3.5 seconds and the HF may have taken 10-12 seconds, we don't know because he sped the film ups so we can't see.

the right way hahaha

haha well played.

NimsChannel poop goes up when they flush it in Australia.

yeah, but you learn to stand to the side after the first couple of times. 'straya.

Nah, upside down threads still turn the same way, it's only those weird left-handed threads that turn different.

Me too

ingersoll rand is almost/ if not the industrial duty

Have 2 IRs and love em!

I've only bought 1 thing from Ingersoll Rand (the Irish snap-on) from what I hear. But high quality from the looks of it... Everything is finished nicely, feels good in your hands, has plenty of power and really wasn't too expensive If I remember right.

I was just getting ready to say that. Ingersoll wins hands down

120 tires a day.. yeah ok

@@youtubeaccount550 that's only 20-30 cars worth, at a scrap yard thats not too difficult to come across I would imagine

@@caleblyman9528 30 cars is alot of cars coming in! 😜

KZfaq account that isnt a lot of cars. It takes 5 min to take all the tires off at the most with a breaker bar. There are quite a few 5 min times in a day.

30 cars a day aren't coming into your scrap yard. No fucking way.

MojoTheKillerMonkey Thank you a lot

you're the best kind of person

MojoTheKillerMonkey thanks you

MojoTheKillerMonkey ty

MojoTheKillerMonkey the tests were flawed and proved nothing. 26 years ase master tech still rocking ingersoll rand titanium series composite impact wich bears uncanny, and rather suspicious resemblance to the gimped out earthquake. my gun is twelve years into daily torture and still regularly shames the 800 dollar im5100. only i got it off a tool truck mind you for 450. the harbor freght unit looks like it, sound nothing like it and barely serves the tire techs with embarassing results. my old beat up beast is not picky it will take it off or break it off and operates at pressure more than 40 psi above the rated 120 psi rated max. and has been doin so all these years. it has survived, blizzards buried in snow that collapsed the roof, flooding been under water for hours in a flooded shop. ingersol rand is the name on the gun wich has proven its worth time and time again even today

Sorry I thought of the Makita Mechanism. Even worse, I thought the snap-on has the hilti mechanism. Both, Earthquake and Snap-On, use the same mechanism combining the disadvantages of both other systems (two strikes, and low energy storage). So the difference can come from three sources: - Higher base torque leads to a win during the phases between the strikes (grease instead of oil) - The spring (gas in the pneumatic motor) is harder due to the smaller volume, and lower speed of rotation. - The flow may be better

Yup nail right on the head, if I was a weekend warrior who worked on my car ever few months then yeh I’ll use harbor freight, but needing my tools to earn me a living for 60 hours a week I’m gonna buy top notch tools with top notch warranty’s. Years ago when I first started out as a oil and tire tech I bought the harbor freight earthquake and I believe it lasted a little under 6 months of daily usage

2491kridge until the snap on guy doesn’t show up and your wrench is broken for a week meanwhile you could’ve gone to town and swapped out a harbor freight piece

@@NigelHeads Snap On will help you directly, they always have for me. Send me what I need, and give my warranty to the rep whenever. I very rarely have issues with my Snap On products, and I mean damn rare. Maintain, and use them correctly, and they last decades. HF tools will not hold up to long term, professional use! The boxes are not bad for the price, but the tools? Nope

I’ve seen earthquake used in shops they’re great tools

Certain things are ok to cheap out on, other things not so much. Not everything in your box has to be Snap On or Matco nor should everything be Harbor Freight.

thank u you just saved me 29 minutes of bullshit

Eric Blox Np

Ahh thank you!!!!

Clorox Bleach you're still everywhere bro

DaDonBossMan No problem, just one favor. Buy me at your local store! ... thanks

Pyrichia I think he should remake the tee in the air line, so the supply comes up the middle of the tee and makes a turn to either impact. One hose swap was disappointing, but understandable. This comparison could take quite a bit more work to be conclusive.

Pyrichia AVE explained why the Snap On should be more powerful. This test just demonstrates that "tests" can be misleading.

Even better is the other reviewer i believe used the same supply on a proper rig to test torque. All this proves is that air tools need the proper food to work as intended. Tearing down and scientific reasoning is all well and good but it is no replacement for methodical testing in the real world. There may be unknown factors at play.

khurramsultan2012 iit

it just means theyre close enough in output that a simple air flow difference can pull it one way or the other. maybe he should try 2 seperate compressors? so one cant choke the other

Hellova gun. Might even come close to it's rating.

+AvE hey, I know what it is... I bet the earthquake is measured in Chinese Torqes....

NG Hermit more like taiwanese torque. Im no taiwanese but as a fellow asian, I prefer being precise.

Funny, all the guys with IR borrow my snap on when they can't break loose bolts.

KMike68Camaro city or plumbing contractor

texasdee slinglead city obviously because he fixes water mains

texasdee slinglead....city Boston Massachusetts USA

Josh Hand wow wow wow.... How dare you add math and engineering to this. He said the options were magic or bullshit

What if it was magical bullshit?

+john handcock That is referred to in technical jargon as " Unicorn Plop "

Was just about to say this. Torque's only equation is force x Distance. I can increase torque with same power by simply increasing the length. As well it matters how much of the mass is also on the outside. I can have a heavy motor and the mass be more centered vs the other with less mass but it is more outward creating higher torque.

I'm going to say the difference at the shaft is none near existent. The lever is only gained near the shaft....The air pushes on the rotor....a smaller diameter shaft and larger vanes would equate to more air pushing NEAR the shaft and a VERY small torque advantage. More airflow would take away from the pressure at the tip right???? Think about that The old Snapon has a 12% longer vane...that means 12% longer vanes to include the vane TIP...where most of the torque is generated...leverage=torque. A smaller shaft would equate to more airflow, but at maximum 1/4 inch (I seriously doubt that) there is no serious torque to be had at 120PSI....Certainly NOT 12%. If the torque is the same it will be because of the screen or some other airflow restriction unknown

Very pointed. "Design for benchmark" I'm gonna use that one. Thanks!

This is an excellent point, thanks!

Video cards are a perfect example of that. 3DMark is routinely exploited by manufacturers that know what OpenGL or DirectX calls are being made an optimize the cards to get the great numbers.

It's not specific to IT either. The Volkswagen scandal a few years back was just that: the on-board computer had routines to detect the test procedures, and tweaked the engine parameters to maximize the thing being benchmarked. For instance, to reduce emissions, they nuked the torque... but just on the test bench.

Excellent observation. I'm a retired commercial aircraft engineer and your comment seems like it was written by a fellow engineer.

So in other words... It chooches like Chachy! Lol

Rick Bricker amen brother

Rick Bricker I’ve never heard it referred to as a “stink pickle” 😂

:Stink pickle" is a new one to me, also. We used to refer to it as "dropping the kids off at the pool" when I was a youngster, though. :-D

Dropping the Obama's off at the White House is my favorite XD

We ran with taking the browns to the superbowl, but stink pickle is great.

and yet he picked the best one as the looser.

Ingersoll has proven themselves through extensive use in heavy industry. They make good solid tools.

Isn’t underground mining the black belt Jedi ninja death match of tools? The sure way to destroy everything?

True. I am not really familiar with how the motor in those pneumatic wrenches operates, but since I saw what looked like inlet and outlet ports I would assume that the lighter rotor, by accelerating faster would allow more airflow to pass through the motor and more potential energy of compressed air (P*V) would be transformed into kinetic energy in short period of time.

I think you're on the right track. I would also question air flow efficiency. The fap-off brand might have more theoretical torque if it is running right.... but if it has more blow-by than it should and the new hazard-frought version is running tighter, there is another thing to look at. Not sure if the blowby can be measured, but if nothing else could explain why an old worn tool doesn't perform the same as a newer one. Then again I could be pissing up the wrong tree. Glad I brought an umbrella. Thanks for loaning me your umbrella. It was originally yellow, right?

these imperial units sound for me like witchcraft

My Rockwell cordless impact with higher/quicker hammer frequency has done better than any air impact we have used, including Snapon.

@@underourrock I wonder if these higher priced tools are designed with more of an AK-47 mindset. Little bit looser tolerances meaning a bit less performance, but it will last longer and deal with dirt and debris better.

rorybz ii

I couldn't relate more to this comment. 😩

Just send it!

I would watch that video.

i have the HF Earthquake and used it 20 years. never broke.

Consumer Reports always purchases the things they test. I think most review products are legitimate but you can't really be sure if the product sent for review is identical to the product everyone else receives. There's also the problem with having a bias towards (or even against) someone for sending you free stuff. I have a tiny channel where I just post my projects but I even get free stuff sent to me. I find I have a really hard time expressing my negative opinions about the free things I've received. I, of course, always tell people if I received a product for free and I try to warn people of my bias. I think your approach is a better system for producing unbiased reviews.

I would take them if it was a "tell us what you think" arrangement looking just for feedback. For a legit public review they should just offer a rebate and have you get it from the same channels as everyone else.

German Tool Reviews I don't think he takes anything. Patriot pays for the tools. He orders/buys like we would

German Tool Reviews gotta love conspiracy theorys

This guy sounds like a Snap on nut hugger.

snocrushr The Canadian version is doing far better than the US one.

5Rounds Rapid ? they are under bankruptcy protection and are closing 59 stores

There's like 4 within 20 mins of me, plus like 3 Kmarts. Only one of the sears looks like it's falling apart.

I'm trying, I wanna buy all their clearance craftsman tools. They're circling the drain.

we have one but they are almost exclusively home/consumer tier craftsman dealers. its why the place is always empty of customers

Sounds like someone couldn't find a good screwdriver at the hardware store.

i use the bottom of my makita battery as a hammer. its held up well

wbbh Bullshit doesn't smell like a duck...

Does it float though, cuz it could be a witch

Ḳαяl ḱαґʟeκ True, but they are both foul odors.

Well actually the best way would be to put the two tools on absolutely identical air paths to a single compressor that can supply both completely. That way there's no chance of either tool having any different a supply at all.

I have an earthquake that is probably that old too that i bought used and it still works great. Its ridiculously heavy.

Bullshit

dam1en667 that was my thoughts exactly

So you killed Sears

Nah, harbor freight more than likely did. I still shopped there (sears) until the end. If I ever needed to exchange a socket or anything it was fairly easy to do but can't just drive 2 miles down the road anymore to that location.

Lowes is getting the craftsman line

Craftsman is made in China now....

I sold tools for sears 2015 when production was switching from us to china and Taiwan. All my tools of craftsman are us made. Im gonna hate when I have to replace something. The chinese ratchets id exchange daily. Plastic lever instead of metal. Average life span was 3 months. I bought snap on dual 80 ratchets. Iv used them for 5 years and some of them are 17 years old its a 36tooth

therealshafto what b series are you running man?

dannyb20 vtec JDM B18C-R

therealshafto nice my buddies is running a fully built ITR setup on e85 in a ek ..setups pulls nice

People said the same thing about plastic guns and now they sell like hot cakes. I call bullshit.

Jacob Francis nobody buys plastic guns

gregistopal So no one buys Glocks these days. News to me!

Remember, its all in the polymer of the plastic. Different polymers give different results. Plastics can last, but it'd have to be high quality plastics of course! 😂😉

@@jacobfrancis6792 I've had a i.r titanium gun for about 11 YEARS now used it every day at a tire shop best gun I've ever seen on the market .

Yeah I have a pile of impacts made up of Snap-On, MAC, MATCO, and Florida Pneumatic. Use my cordless tools for most things. They are just so much quieter.

Keep in mind that the Mass (not area) Moment of inertia is directly proportional to the mass.

The angle of the dangle is inversely proportional to the mass of the ass and the heat of the meat

@@crazycriminals2012 proportional to mass and the distance the mass is from the center, bigger tool with larger area will deliver more rotational inertia.

We call that a float test!

Did you ever think of not dropping tools in the lake? Are you on drugs or what? Freakin guys.

Marshall I don't care who you are ,dropping things is inevitable and part of life

Ours has been working great for years.... From the jump you can tell he just loves his snap on...plus the earthquake he's using is compared to the newer snap on gun... Everyone knows the older tools from most companies were alot better than these new ones, hell I loved our IR, the earthquake replaced it when it came up missing

you oil an air tool pretty much constantly. morning and night

Trust me engineers are not always correct. Real world experience teaches things that number’s just don’t show.

kenny getting killed on the bridgeport would be funny

Kenny getting decapitated while climb milling on the bridgeport

Somebody ship AvE some SouthPark figures! (but will he mill them to Classical???)

It is stupid humor. That's spot on to the truth. Many ways to communicate.

I don't think it's time to make assumptions, but I'm excited for the outcome, regardless of it.

i had a problem taking a fastener off for my impact at 50' of hose and I ended up raising the pressure on my compressor to 125-130psi. worked like a champ and took off the lug nut with ease. made a huge difference.

I dunno man, those things are big bucks. If a cheapo used one ever comes up, they tend to hold value even broken.

AvE funny how cheap garbage does. I see harbor freight all the time at pawn shops used for more $ then harbor freight sells for new lol and it sells

chris jones that's nuts.....

gmcnewlook agreed. same one also had a complete snap on 3/8 shallow and deep set for 30$ for both. deals around just got to know what to look for

Better than them not calling you I guess?

thedoctor907 Shit breaks, we fix it. That's what we do.

yea but when there is an AvE video it just hurts to leave.

fwi, the oil it the nose cone is made for Snap-on by Redline.

a thing to note on some of the older impact guns is that they were designed for larger diameter air hoses and fittings for maximum power because they were intended for professionals, but in doing so alienated the mom and pop garages that couldn't push enough cfm to really run them as intended, they eventually realized this after people complaining they didn't have any power and went back to designing them to work with standard airlines.