REVIEW - VRS Direct Force Pro Sim Racing Wheel
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Күн бұрынVRS has a solid position in the Sim Racing hardware market with the excellent value Direct Force Pro Wheelbase and DFP Pedal Set. They have now completed the ecosystem with the Direct Force Pro Formula Steering Wheel. But there’s a catch! Their only native steering wheel option comes in at twice the price of their 2 Pedal Set, and is more expensive than their 20 Nm Direct Drive Wheelbase.
When compared to third-party high-end Sim Racing Wheels, the price tag puts it in the same league as wheels such as the Ascher Racing F64 V3, and Cube Controls F-Pro. But it only has a feature list comparable to the much less expensive Cube Controls F-Core.
So we set out to see where the value is in the VRS Direct Force Pro Formula Steering Wheel, and whether or not it is worth the money, and a spot on your Sim Rig!
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TIME STAMPS:
0:00 - Introduction
0:41 - Important Information
1:31 - Pricing & Customer Expectations
4:18 - Hardware Overview & Comparisons
27:10 - Internals
30:18 - Mounting & VRS Quick Release
34:40 - Software Overview
44:39 - Driving Experience & Conclusions
#vrs #simracing #wheel
@danut05 Жыл бұрын
Overpriced is an understatement
@kevinstevens3429 Жыл бұрын
I totally agree, they swung at the pitch and missed IMO. Flex, plastic ,creaking and less functional don’t belong at that price point. There are wheels out there built with better materials and more functionality for less money.
@brulaapgaapmeester8052 Жыл бұрын
Maybe quality switches (those small click things on the PCB) are more expensive than you think, otherwise I don't get these prices either.
@anjo2 Жыл бұрын
@@brulaapgaapmeester8052 They aren't very good, i think the electronics are: Alps buttons (1.50€/each) = ~21€ Alps funky switches (8€/each) = ~16€ Grayhill switches (15€/each) = 30€ Bournes encoders (2.50€/each) = ~8€ They didn't even went with black pc, it's hard to justify the price
@Paulo-py4mm 11 ай бұрын
@anjo2 Yeah with the tear down, there is NOTHING to justify this frankly ludicrous...
@axzhor Жыл бұрын
This wheel has strong $550 vibes, nothing more than that.
@psyskip6709 Жыл бұрын
How this wheel fits into the VRS lineup is as important as the wheel specific competition. I and many others go for the VRS stuff because it's quality at a reasonable price with small concesions in functionality/aesthetics (wheelbase is an undressed MIG motor). People were waiting for a wheel to make the VRS a complete, competitive package, which it isn't. I think they lost sight of the market and got a bit carried away.
@SingleRacerSVR Жыл бұрын
Not having a go at you AT ALL, Will. In fact you do some of the best Sim-Racing Hardware-Reviews on KZfaq...... But man, what is with all the F1 style wheels. Street Car & Drifter Sim Racers are really being left out of all these new modern wheels lately?
@lukebraddford3287 Жыл бұрын
I own the pedals and absolutely love them, but I couldn’t spend that money on this wheel. Great breakdown!
@Shake_nBake805 Жыл бұрын
It's a bare bones design that fits with the M.O. of VRS but watching this review just affirms my initial thought of this wheel being way overpriced. I feel like they could get away with $500 maybe $600 for what they're offering and that's mainly due to the higher build/design quality.
@alex.germany Жыл бұрын
Good review. But the wheel is an absolute no-go. Too less functionality and features for the price. No thumb rotaries (they are for most essential), no illumination (is nice to have) etc. If you compare to other wheels it should not cost more than 300 to 400 €/$. And this is already the upper end...
@kurok1tenshi Жыл бұрын
Amen, MOZA wheels are killing all these overpriced wheels. 900+ is crazy...
@langsor Жыл бұрын
Another great detailed review and comparison. Maybe someday I can afford kit like this :-D
@keepcalm1182 Жыл бұрын
"Hey Guys, Wheel Here" ;)
@johnathanmoyer2375 Жыл бұрын
The VRS wheel might have been a good price 4 years ago when it's closest competition would have been the F64 from Ascher, but the market has been completely upended to the point where even wheels with 7+ encoders AND a screen are a touch sell for a grand.
@ChrisPBacon9 Жыл бұрын
Yep. They can tout higher build quality all they want but if a competitor's wheel has more functionality, is sturdy enough, feels good in the hands, and is made of high quality materials, then is the "higher" build quality actually worth it? Wouldnt be to me
@michaelpickford7298 Жыл бұрын
Here in Australia the value doesn't stack up against The new Moza wheel with the usb hub or even the Simagic GT4 usb version which is under $500 of the cost of the VRS.
@user-qb5bd3kc6v Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review Will! I'm only driving in VR so would like to know which of all these wheels are good to use in VR, can the buttons easily be found if you can't see them, enough functionality available on the wheel for VR because you can't use a button box with loads of buttons, or maybe a wheel with less buttons is better if you have a small stream deck or button box on the left and/ or right side of your wheel attached to the rig, et cetera. Looking forward to the GRID steering wheel review!
@derekkosnoski7052 Жыл бұрын
On a Krontec QR you do not need to pull the collar back to attach the wheel, this QR should be the same as I can see the beveled leading edge on the base side. Can you confirm?? Excellent review as always!!
@joseluiscuesta176 Жыл бұрын
nice, thanks!
@TimAyro Жыл бұрын
VRS shot their brand in the foot.
@sirka6233 Жыл бұрын
Great review, thanks! Do you already have any thoughts on the upcoming GSI X29 as competition? To me it looks a lot like the X29 will be what the VRS wheel should have been (mostly pricing by maybe even quality)
@ondrejtoman Жыл бұрын
Hey, great review as always. I've been wanting to buy the vrs wheelbase to upgrade from my csl dd. Now, i have a cube f-pro and a grid ddu5 dash, which i would like to use with it. My question is, do you have any measurement of the length of the whole VRS qr, from the front face of the wheelbase, back to the point where the qr mounts to the wheel (while attached)? From my rough estimation, the shaft is 80mm and the qr is 40mm, so does that mean that the whole assembly is 120mm? Also, does the vrs qr have more play than the xero play?
@adarne64 Жыл бұрын
I got the wheelbase and pedals mainly due to your 2nd look. Ive been running a converted fanatec mclaren gt wheel. Now the all the funcionality works with the srm conversion i dont think ill be changing
@JDempsterRacing Жыл бұрын
ive thought about doing the same thing with my McLaren GT wheel if i got a VRS WB
@adarne64 Жыл бұрын
@JDempsterRacing is definitely worth it. Previously, systems like the dual clutch didn't work, but now they do 👍
@JDempsterRacing Жыл бұрын
@@adarne64 who did you use for the conversion?
@adarne64 Жыл бұрын
@@JDempsterRacing sim racing machines
@taylorwilliamm Жыл бұрын
@@adarne64Woah, how did you get dual clutch to work? Was there a firmware update?
@FrijoleBlanco Жыл бұрын
Pineapplegrips shoutout ❤ Absolutely love their products!
@boosivemotorsportofficial Жыл бұрын
When you mentioned the similarities between it and ascher. When I initially saw the teaser images of the VRS wheel. I thought it looked like it was designed/made by ascher.
@wwjnz9263 Жыл бұрын
The price is a non-starter. I wanted to click on a different video when the price came up. Interested in the quick releases though. The internals are well thought out too.
@boostedmedia Жыл бұрын
QR is also covered in this video ;)
@lilpup316 Жыл бұрын
Watched this whole review.... struggling to find value for this price point. Compare this to moza wheels....seems like a fail imo!!
@Tigerratcat 7 ай бұрын
I wish VRS made a formula wheel with the shifting leds, led button lights and screen
@paulmaher1705 Жыл бұрын
Formula wheels should have rev lights on !!
@dipe999 Жыл бұрын
Any idea when the pedals will be back in stock? AU
@jeffrdrama7984 Жыл бұрын
There seems to be nothing between the "entry level" fanatec direct drive stuff (like that R2R bundle) and this type of really expensive stuff. It's frustrating as someone who'd like to get back into SIM racing but ideally not have to spend £4k to get a good setup.
@boostedmedia Жыл бұрын
The stuff on this price level is much higher quality than Fanatec’s stuff (other than the M4 wheel) in terms of the materials used, etc. whether you need that quality or not is entirely subjective.
@kel-2399 Жыл бұрын
I think that's where asetek is trying to get in - it's a bit more than the fanatec, but is a decent step up. Then you can upgrade everything as needed. Their la prima bundle starts at €1134 with pedals or €882 without them. Moza have some options in that 4-800 price range aswell, as do fanatec, but you can't upgrade them (fanatec you can go from 5-8nm), you'll have to buy a whole new base/pedals if you want to upgrade. It is worth noting with asetek, they have said they will provide an upgrade path in the future, but as yet they haven't shown anything off, so no one knows hot expensive or how easy it will be, or when it will be available and if so how long they will support that upgrade path for
@CertifiedSlamboy Жыл бұрын
@@boostedmedia I think he literally means there's nothing in between the 2. It's cheap or expensive. Not that there's no difference.
@jeffrdrama7984 Жыл бұрын
Yep that's what I meant. I understand why some products are more expensive - better quality etc, but there is no actual "mid range". You either go cheaper and end up with a Fanatec bundle or have to go all in. The higher end wheelbases alone can cost more than some of the lower end wheels+base+pedal setups. It's hard to justify right now as I'm not sure I'll be able to find time to SIM race, but annoying as I know one day I'll be wanting to upgrade.
@dbzcollector9963 Жыл бұрын
@@jeffrdrama7984your kinda just contradicting yourself there bud… you say you won’t even be able to find the time to play but you’ll wanna upgrade one day? That seems like a huge waist if you don’t have the time. It’s not like a super expensive setup is gonna make you any better or faster, and it definitely won’t help you find time to play lol. For your use case fanatec would be more than enough for the casual sim racer, Moza offers some decent low,mid, and high range setups but the problem is it’s pc only. If your on console tho your most likely playing GT7 or some forza game in which case fanatec is more than enough for those arcade racers. It’s only when you start getting into competitive stuff like iracing and ACC leagues that a more expensive setup would make more sense.
@platano4924 Жыл бұрын
This is what I have in mind so far but would like opinions. VRS pedals regardless of the wheel base... VRS base or SIMAGIC MINI so this is my first option... Second option, asetek la prima (or save one more month and buy asetek forte) and have the whole system from the same brand Thanks Note, all I have ever tried is g25 and 27... I'm totally rookie here, but when I start reading system of 5nm and getting more knowledge I end up looking at 2000 USD systems😅... The rabbit hole is dangerous
@KcazP1 Жыл бұрын
When I heard the price I had to double check to make sure this wasn't a wheel+ base review😂
@jet_mouse9507 Жыл бұрын
I just realized, instead of measuring the weight of the wheels, maybe you should be measuring the moment of inertia of them! If you can find a way to measure that. Then, you could match that with the torque of the wheelbase to find the rotational acceleration of the whole setup. I don't know how you would measure the moment of inertia though.
@chrisracing81 Жыл бұрын
Overpriced and doesn’t fit in the great price range of Base and Pedals. Also it doesn’t look nice at all - very disappointed! But great to have better options these days 👍 Still in love with my VRS Base 💪
@_B_RIDE Жыл бұрын
Can you use other wheels on the VRS wheel base ?
@EdelOss1 Жыл бұрын
in germany we got a quote for that price: der preis ist jenseits von gut und böse, the price is beyond good and evil...
@dbzcollector9963 Жыл бұрын
Not the best time to release something so simple looking and overpriced when Moza just released a killer wheel for almost a quarter of the price. My main issue with something being this expensive is it doesn’t come with a QR, that’s an extra 100$ lol and the fact that it has no rpm lights or back lit buttons is a huge let down.
@redeyebanditandtherckid8807 Жыл бұрын
I’m stuck at work so I couldn’t watch whole vid yet so excuse me if I missed it but can this be adapted to fit moza wheel bases
@boostedmedia Жыл бұрын
It’ll fit anything that has a 70mm bolt pattern so yes with a Moza hub adaptor.
@redeyebanditandtherckid8807 Жыл бұрын
@@boostedmedia thanks!
@philippegohier6992 Жыл бұрын
i ask moza on their r12 promotional vid if they gonna redo the r16 and r23 with their new design. like the r12 r9 r5. they answered yesterday that they gonna announced new products soon... you got some info ?
@danielcataldi1630 Жыл бұрын
Is theQR currently available? I can’t find it anywhere.
@wwjnz9263 Жыл бұрын
Not saying/or reading too much into this but... At 32:37, Will begins talking about the Krontec styled QR. He goes on to say it's similar to leaked photos of the Fanatec QR2 that he's seen years ago. He then says "We'll be recieving one of those soon". Did that just slip, or is Will simply wishfully thinking Fanatec will release it sometime this year? Hopefully it's the soon as in, sometime this week... Any who... That is enough conspiracy for this video. 😅
@notsmith6158 Жыл бұрын
This is the year! ...probably not. Crazy to think I've replaced everything I used to have with other brands since being all in on Fanatec and waiting for this thing.
@busby10 Жыл бұрын
Is the new "revised design" hub (not the QR) keyed now? or does it still just get held on around the outside.
@boostedmedia Жыл бұрын
No there’s an insert included that goes in the keyway on the shaft of the motor to lock it from rotating.
@busby10 Жыл бұрын
@@boostedmedia Ah cool so it works the same as you showed on the QR? Thats great news
@danielmalka8884 Жыл бұрын
I would buy it if it was around 600. In my opinion it is one of the best looking wheel. Another problem for me is that I live in Israel so everything is x1.5 the price of the wheel. Just bought moza r9 base only for 600 dollars
@glitchinthematrix9306 Жыл бұрын
You live on stolen land. Don't complain.
@RTBHvideo Жыл бұрын
$1000?! 🤣
@KuSQ3N Жыл бұрын
Vrs have never made a "good looking" product and its the same with this wheel :/ I dont say simracing is for the looks. But if you spend 2k+ looks helps a little bit when you are spending that much😅
@willsutton54 Жыл бұрын
over A$1000 customs will hit you with a "handling" fee ...on my HE pedals came to around $90 plus had to pay another 10% GST, as for buttons from Fanny to Cube controls I have not noticed buttons and they would be at the bottom of my list
@Pfacey Жыл бұрын
People in the UK should avoid the QR for a while. I have had to return mine due to the metal bars releasing during use and making a rattle sound. I was told "VRS have determined that all the UK "Base Side" QR's have been machined fractionally too small causing this play in the system".
@JimboJet737 Жыл бұрын
You don’t necessarily need to get a QR if you only use one wheel so you can get the fixed adaptor which I don’t think will have this issue.
@Pfacey Жыл бұрын
@@JimboJet737 That's right. I only got the QR as I was changing from a SRM converted Mclaren wheel. I'm using a SRC QR now and it works great.
@SegginsProductions Жыл бұрын
@@Pfaceylove the src qr, they’re the best bang for buck solution out there!
@sheep7255 Жыл бұрын
We really need someone to make a high quality QR that allows for full data and power transmission, and if it's wireless, make a standardized bluetooth protocol. This is the biggest problem I see with a lot of simracing gear, everything is either wired or only for a specific wheelbase. And not to forget, an open software system. So no Moza PitHouse for your base, VRS Software for the pedals, Fanatec software for the H shifter, and etc etc. Just annoying stuff that can be fixed if everyone liked each other a bit
@quinnseitz1377 Жыл бұрын
As far as I can tell, the Asetek Simsports QR is designed to be compatible with any USB wheel, idk about Bluetooth. They also have support for most 3rd party wheel manufacturers. They just went into full production for it, so it should be available soon. I'm waiting on that before I make the jump the DD.
@sheep7255 Жыл бұрын
@@quinnseitz1377 Most ecosystems are closed if you don't want to use wired. That's what the comment is about, being able to use any wheel with any wheelbase, and not having to worry about a cable. All wheelbases are compatible with usb wheels as long as you have a way to attach it to the wheelbase. My problem is that it's always a different QR, that can't provide power and transfer data wirelessly or not when going from a wheel from another manufacturer, to the one made by the same manufacturer's wheelbase. Take Asetek, they make probably the best wheelbase, and they make wheels, but you can't easily transition into another wheel from say moza. If you wanna use your moza wheel, you first gotta get the Asetek QR, and then you need to connect the wheel by USB, and only the butterfly style wheels have that.
@KurthardtJr Жыл бұрын
I feel like you have to be a fanboy to buy this
@Lamos01 2 ай бұрын
For this price no thumb endoders... thats a DQ from me!
@AedynWolf Жыл бұрын
Nothing about this wheel says it should cost what they're asking lol Wouldn't be surprised to see them put it on "sale" here shortly because they overestimated the market. If they give the excuse it's because they put a custom shaped pcb in the wheel (which is the only excuse/justification I can think of for them, weak as it is) then ditch it and use wiring. Not worth it
@grayzedynamics Жыл бұрын
Definitely overpriced. But I think I prefer the grips more myself. Had the F-Pro and without gloves it’s a nightmare. Hard and slippery.
@Sean-ps3ec Жыл бұрын
Absolutely NOT worth the money asked for it! There are MUCH better and MUCH cheaper wheels that will do
@Justdigit2 Жыл бұрын
The price is amazing!!! For that little you get....🤣
@matta2738 Жыл бұрын
First. Not even Max can beat me
@kcs4212 Жыл бұрын
Last, i am doing a checo. Congrats on your win
@danielmalka8884 Жыл бұрын
I’m hamilton and you are out of track limits
@boostedmedia Жыл бұрын
Best fans
@CertifiedSlamboy Жыл бұрын
@@danielmalka8884 Thanks for commenting for all the boys and girls out there that think they can't achieve their dreams
@whiteandnerdytuba Жыл бұрын
Using gloves is not a price point consideration. I’d like a formula wheel with soft thick leather, I don’t even use socks. Underwear if you’re lucky
@RacingWithChuck27 Жыл бұрын
A lum a num for the non queen English language pronunciation j/k 😊
@kev.kaviation1751 Жыл бұрын
YES, overpriced! Competition does it with way more features at same or better quality for the same price (Look at the upcoming GSI X-29). This should be 300-400 bucks cheaper. Looks are personal ofc, but this looks cheap to me, especially the buttons
@alfaracer9876 Жыл бұрын
With the lack of functionality it would have to be 100% perfect to even begin to justify the price. It seems like this wheel isn't perfect.
@kesh_r 6 ай бұрын
As an owner of the VRS DFP wheel base and pedals, this wheel is absurdly over priced. I don’t expect them to see many whatsoever.
@Paulo-py4mm 11 ай бұрын
This is insanity. How can VRS justify charging $1349 for this (and that is on bloody sale its normally $1557)?!?! Their 20nm wheelbase is the same price as this wheel when the wheel is on sale. This wheel: 1. Looks terrible (subjective of course) 2. Lacks the most import functional element of a formula style wheel (thumb encoders) 3. Lacks any screen/dash equivalent 4. Made of LESS premium materials than much cheaper wheels There are more elements, but In my mind, this fits in the same price bracket as the Fanatec Formula V2.5. Pretty much nothing above $600 aud The price here is almost hilariously bad. From a company that held the price to performance crown for pedals and DD wheelbase, it's a crying shame.
@mementomori4972 8 ай бұрын
As much as I respect and like VRS (I even own the wheel base and I'm very happy with it),...at this price point, I would never buy the VRS wheel over the Asher Racing. Asher Racing quality is implacable,...it's almost like sim racing jewelry. It's beyond me how they could price this bare bones wheel that high.
@carsstuff9914 11 ай бұрын
They drop the price to $798😂
@mementomori4972 8 ай бұрын
It's around $870 now.
@acemczero88 Жыл бұрын
Look, I love my DFP wheel base, but VRS really showed their arrogance with this wheel. A Polsimer has equal functionality and aesthetics for half the price. I bought the Grid MPX on pre-order for the same price. This wheel is an insult to the sim racing community and only a complete schlub would buy one given what else is available at and below this price point.
@SerialDriver Жыл бұрын
I normally like long video reviews... but almost one hour for a wheel might be too much this time
@SegginsProductions Жыл бұрын
I’ve built 2 (well technically 3) diy wheels that have more functionality, look better and cost less than the vrs wheel and that’s for the both of them. Very underwhelming.
@fedebe8977 Жыл бұрын
It's a great product at the right price!
@eclark9965 Жыл бұрын
900? Hahahahaha
@RoLexX57 Жыл бұрын
Absolutly overpriced no doubt
@iRacerJared Жыл бұрын
Just get the Turn standard wheel and call it a day
Laurence Dusoswa
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😍 Таких шикарных и гибких телевизоров, тем более за такую копеечную цену вы больше нигде не найдете.
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