Pop boy groups in the west can’t win Grammys because the public doesn’t take boygroups seriously 😢

west boy bands come & go & forgotten,they lack the whole package,charisma,hardwork,discipline & talents,BTS will be a legend forever & songs & conerts will always be remembered,Army's will loved & support each member or as a group no matter what 😍 BTS 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜

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@@lourdesdeguzman6646 true,and I think ever since Bts became a group it’s been more difficult to find the next biggest American group because kpop groups have cool choreographies and meaningful lyrics and BTS taught people to love themselves

Spill it

I don‘t think any band will ever be like bts, they‘re just diff. They care so much about their fans. I remember when my friend told me that her sister met Jimin and he took the time to talk her even tho he was going to a meeting, and he hugged her aswell. He could‘ve just walked away but that‘s what makes them so special, they geniunenly love their fans and you can tell. Only childish and insecure people hate on bts, because happiness and positivity is something alot of people don‘t have so they can‘t accept bts.

I was just about to comment on them being on billboard since 2015. Theirs is the most organic growth in the history of music industry. To add on to what you have mentioned: Tthey have also had solo concerts in usa since 2014. small scale beginnings for sure, but their growth is the most organic. During their initial concerts is the US ARMY's used to draw BTS & ARMY logo and write/draw BTS stuff on their T-Shirt and come to the concert because then they didnot have official merch. And BTS did not only target US market but global market from the very beginning, they used to do concert in russia, latin america, europe, china and many other south-eastern countries. they travelled a lot for numerous small scale concerts. they have burned their bones to create that fan base from scratch globally. I don't know any other musical act who had worked so hard for the level of success they think they deserve because they are white and they sing love songs?? for whom? It's 2022 no one needs no more love songs and then breakup songs ... I don't care what these song writers go through in their personal lives. BTS songs have strong social message which is so much more relevant. their music is bop. The music is upbeat. The dance like crazy. They are all talented performers. and the cherry on top.. they are all handsome as fuck. **Bang PD knows his shit, I think they are doing something similar with TXT. Let's see about that.

I agree! Been a fan of them since 2015, they didn’t come out of no where they be in the music industry for a while

Yeah BTS truly became famous with I Need U that was their breakout hit way earlier than their BBMA appearance in 2017

Slope. Not a spike.

CNCO? whose that group?...they didnt even close with BTS success.. their music is trash not even step on billboard hot 1.,and their performance, come on!., they even dont have the charisma compared to BTS..

Thank God they just disband.

They can't speak about "racism and violence" anywhere in the world let alone Whitehouse. That would be way too much irony. The world won't be able to handle that

I've never heard of them and I live in Miami too 😂 ApoBangpo 💜

oh my gosh, I got so fueled up! As a Hispanic, and a native Spanish-speaker, I was beyond embarrassed...I really liked their music 💔 But after they completely mocked and belitted BTS, their culture AND language....I've completely lost all respect for them. The ignorance. You'd think as a foreign group just like BTS, they'd understand the hardships and struggles it is to make it big in a english-bias setting such as the American music industry....but no. Mock them, make fun of them. How embarrassing, how ignorant! Excuse me while I delete all of their songs from my playlist. No longer supporting.

It is generally true though. Most native English speaking fans wouldn’t understand the lyrics unless they searched for translations. And most successful singles that BTS have made. (Like record breaking anthems) Butter and Dynamite are English songs. But to be fair, they have released Korean songs that have charted very well

@@CraigBukenya See, it feels like you're making the same short sighted assumption as whatshisface made. -'Most native english speaking fans wouldn't understand the lyrics unless they searched for translations'..... yep. That is true. So, guess what these fans did? They searched for translations. In fact, there's a ton of online resources dedicated to translating the songs, AND explaining the meaning, the idioms and the cultural significance in the lyrics. I don't recall anyone saying anything to 15 year old boys singing along to Du Hast 20 years ago. Meanwhile BTS fans are learning hangul and Korean so they don't need to wait for translations and yet there's this short sighted assumption that we couldn't possible understand what they're saying but we're just singing along anyway. -'Most successful singles have been English' Maybe I'm reading into this, but in context to your argument, it sounds like you're assuming the English songs are popular primarily because they're in English and not because these songs are just the most recent releases by a group with an ever growing fan base. Bts hit certified platinum record in the US in 2018, two years BEFORE their first fully English song. Those fans didn't disappear for two years. The fans that got them platinum in America got more people into BTS in those two years and so their English songs are poplar in large part because they had a huge fan base already willing to support their music. It's not BECASE it was in English. At best, the English songs simply hooked in more English speaking fans that found an easier entry point into their music and then said "yeah, this is worth my time to learn what their korean songs mean." It's an incredibly short sighted and patronizing view of their fans to think they can't understand or find the motivation/resources to translate their songs. When a member of another boy band holds that view of the very fans they want to be their own fans, of course it's not going to land well. BTS fans aren't all (or even mostly) '15 year old girls'. Even if we were, being 15 and a girl doesn't somehow prevent them from learning a foreign language. we still know how to go onto the internet and find translations. Why is it so hard to think that these fans couldn't possible figure out what a song in another language means?

@@faecreature21 First of all, I haven’t said fans don’t go out of their way to understand the lyrics. But there’s lots of fans who don’t understand the Korean very fluently and don’t actively decipher the meaning, but can appreciate it sounds very good. You’re making a wild assumption if you seriously think that BTS fans are fluent Korean speakers/listeners. Music transcends all barriers and melodically BTS music is incredible. I think it’s fair to argue that dynamite was more conducive for a universal mass appeal/radio appeal and drawing more fans, because it was primarily in English and was more aligned to western pop. It’s a shame this Eurocentric cannon exists, but it’s oddly ironic. BTS hadn’t released a song which was comparatively as successful. Perhaps Fake Love? Or maybe Boy with Luv

Lets follow the flow of conversation here: -Whats his name says fans don't know what they're singing because its in Korean. -I say that's a poor opinion for him to have of people he wants to be his fans. -You said its true... unless fans look up the translation. -I say fans look up the translations -You said you didn't say fans DIDN'T look up the lyrics. Ok... then following your logic... Fans don't know what they're singing UNLESS they look up translations. Fans, in fact, look up translations (as resources are plentiful!). Erego: Fans know what they're singing. I'm glad we agree and we can stop thinking that English is the magic to their success, especially since, again, they went platinum in the US in 2018 without a single English song (and without charting since plenty of euro-centric charts like to suppress non-english songs) Their english songs are successful due to the upward trajection of their populartiy and growth of their already substantial fanbase, not because it's in English. Yet to Come will probably be more popular than dynamite or butter. For Youth or Run BTS, if released as a single, will likely continue to break records since fans avidly enjoy those (mostly korean) songs. You don't have to be fluent in a language to understand the lyrics to the song. I'm not fluent in Korean but I know 'Bogo Shipda' means 'I miss you' just as intuitively as I know 'Du hast mich' means 'You hate/have me.' I don't need to speak german or korean fluently to understand the start of those two songs.

@@faecreature21 Yeah I agree that melodically a good song, doesn’t hinge on being in English. I love lots of their songs and vaguely understand their abstract messages but it sounds good so I’ll listen. I’m not too sure by your claim that fans definitely decipher the meaning of the songs. Because I’m sure there’s fans who just listen to the songs and find them addictive and catchy and might know the odd few Korean words here and there In regards to Yet to come, the fan reception seems fairly divided. Lots of fans are disappointed in the song and have proactively uploaded videos about that. But equally, there’s loads of fans who like it. I don’t think it’ll do very well, but I’m sure it’ll chart well for a short while. But Dynamite seriously? Or Butter? Now that’s an exaggeration. I’d be very surprised, because whilst it’s kinda soothing and nice, it’s not good enough (imo) to emulate the success of the singles above. It’s weirdly exclusive too. Because there’s references to other singles, which wouldn’t resonate with the everyday listener. I’d argue that Dynamite being in English added to the universal mass appeal. You’d be surprised by just how many people became fans of BTS because of that record. Or Butter or Boy with Luv. I’m really obsessed with Boy with luv. In truth, I don’t know what they’re saying but it sounds really good.

Same! I discovered BTS in 2015, and I have never been a bigger fan of any band

Tbh I didn't even listen to bands until BTS

@@helloo7038 Yea same

same never been a fan of any artis but listen to their song. Bts is the first artist I stan seriously.

Same man I discovered them in 2017 while I was scrolling down in KZfaq and found fake love and when I tapped on the video I was blew away and recommended my friends to listen to this banger. But man being guy and having racist friends is difficult since they don't even want to listen to it just because it's in Korean but they can listen to despacito which is Spanish like they know every word.

Absolutely! Totally with you. I'm 44 and love their music and message. Why does something need to be in English to be "good, "successful". I can't believe that was said 🤦🏻‍♀️. Truly embarrassed for their ignorance.

Proud 26 year old fanboy here

63 years old, 40 years as a Duranie, and a huge fan of BTS. Quality, talent and effort trascends languages or cultures. These racist comments only shows ignorance and intolerance.

Exactly!!! I am same age and got hooked in 2016 after hearing "Lie" from Park Jimin. We all need to be better, do better! Bts is a Class Act...✌💜

@@marygalligan6455 I actually got hooked on Kdramas 1st and was scrolling on KZfaq and saw the car karaoke w James corden, thought they were so funny n cute then started searching them on KZfaq. My bias at 1st was RM, then Jin, now Suga but I don’t want to play favorites… I love them all for different reasons, but Suga has alittle lead on the others 😁

Being a 70 year old grandmother I never was interested in rap or hip hop so of course I never knew about them. One day I was on you tube looking around trying to find a drama and just clicked on Stay Alive by accident so I thought well why not see what it was all about. One beautiful song and I was in. Never went back. Bought a brand new car last year and couldn't wait to get the Bluetooth hooked up just so I could jam along with 7 people I never knew. Still going strong. Thank you Jungkook and Yoongi for one beautiful piece of music. 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜

This is my favorite phrase because I only got into them this year and I feel like I've missed so much 😅

@@emilyhemm7181 It’s never too late to catch up! I became an ARMY late 2018 and I was only in grade 5 at the time. I had missed over 5 years of content and I was like “oh shit, how do I catch up with everything?” Now at this point I’ve listened to all their albums, seen a lot of funny clips, reality shows; I basically have the knowledge of a longtime ARMY! As long as you love BTS, you’ll keep seeing more things about them and learning more stuff all the time. And if there’s things you don’t know or understand, fellow ARMYs are always there to help you! In a couple of years as they release more music, there will be more and more new fans. At that time, you’ll feel like more of a senior ARMY. It’s just a matter of growing with BTS as time goes on. The first year is the crazy fan phase lol because you’re discovering so much new info, it will seem like you’re utterly obsessed with them. Once you know a lot, then all you have to do is keep up with new releases, so then you’ll seem more like a chill ARMY. Anyways sorry for the ramble but welcome to the ARMY fandom and I hope you have lots of fun on your journey!

@@delnadavid2589 I just discovered them now. I literally have been listening to them for less than a month, but I'm already so in love. ☺ Their music is amazing, so is their dancing and performance all around, and from what I've seen their personalities as well. I really wish I would've gotten into them (and kpop in general) sooner, but at the same time I feel like I should be grateful I got into it at all, seeing as none of my friends are into kpop so I had to find it on my own, and it doesn't exactly align with what I've been listening to until now (mostly metal and rock 😅). Now I'm just really hyped to see what comes next and glad that I'll be there to enjoy the ride.

yes. those boybands are successful, but they lack professionalism and modesty. Too cocky. I think that's the reason why their success only lasts for a short period of time. I wish I can write more beautifully to describe how big the differrence is between these groups and BTS. BTS have depth and value and they have such huge admiration and respect to their fans. They treat BTS Armys really well. I, too, cannot understand their Korean songs. But when I take the time to read the English translations, their lyrics described my feelings really well, better than I can sort it out. It's comforting to listen and feel that I am understood, that their lyrics can be so real for me (even though I'm living a different life compared with bangtan). For example is their songs Tomorrow and Butterfly. Those songs are the representation of a person who can hold your hand in the dark, in your room, during your difficult times. There may be a lot of new boybands who will emerge in the coming years, but BTS is just it for me.

I am a 70 years old Canadian and fully agree with you. Once you let BTS in you can't get BTS out...it's just like Jimin...They have rewritten kpop and the rest is history! BTS is now our daily bread. We wake up with Them and go to bed with Them! Love our "All 7" they deserve all the love in the world, they give us so Much love, it is only fair we give Them back lots of Love!💜💜💜💜💜💜💜🥰💯

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@@yes5402 I will go a bit further and say that even if new boybands have the same professionalism and modesty, it wouldn't work. BTS are seen as genuine and by trying to recreate something using their tactics will always seem fake. Also, most people with so different personalities can't have the same synergy naturally. Even BTS naturally didn't have that synergy. They worked hard to understand and appreciate each other and part of it was because they were being together 24/7 and going through hardships together while fighting to get their deserved debut. Some might say that you can unite similar people so they would easily get along, but there will be a downside too - they won't have as wide view on subjects and its inevitable that songs will become repetitive. Another thing that is very visible with West boy groups - topics they talk about are too shallow, without much to discuss. Most BTS music is very intentional - the instrumental parts, lyrics, videos - they all play huge part in telling a story and most importantly - it promotes to have deep conversations. It's not rare to hear their song, read lyrics and then have a long conversation with other Army's about the message their music holds.

@@boopyournose5698 well that is what is happening in kpop right now, kpop companies especially Big 3 are trying to copy BTS phenomenon time and again and are resorting to nasty, immoral media play but are still failing each time because unlike them BTS are honest, genuine and hardworking people who achieved everything organically without any influence, Bangtan are legends and always will be💜💜

They are just lazy to try to understand another's language and live in a bubble thinking English is the best. This reminds me of the frog and the well in Ddaeng. We Army appreciate art and it's beauty they're just blind. Let them die in the well.

BAM! Love this reply!! 💜

Those ppl are just narrow minded n whatever came out fm their mouth are exactly slapping their own face for being ignorant !

Você disse tudo! Eu inclusive, estou lendo os comentários, usando o tradutor do próprio KZfaq. Quem quer saber procura. Sempre que gosto de uma música, seja em qual idioma for, busco a tradução primeiro. O BTS conheci ano passado, fiquei encantada pelo senso de humor, humildade e por suas músicas cativantes. Há espaço para todos, desde que haja respeito. Os 7 são homens adultos e conscientes de seu papel na sociedade. Seria tão bom se houvesse mais tolerância entre os povos. Teríamos menos guerras e sofrimentos...

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DUDE!!!!!!! They became more famous than they ever could be without sleeping with fans, showing alcohol or women shaking their asses in their videos. They did it by just showing themselves and themselves alone. WHICH IS WHY WE ALL LOVE THEM!!!!!

@@itsjustaname3386 exactly 💜

@@gia42472 you read the lyrics? First read the lyrics understand the meaning . And if you see only lyrics or mv you don't understand the main point . If you want to understand the lyrics/main point of BTS song then you have to do researche for that then you understand . BTS lyrics meaning and song don't understand any casual listrener.

@@gia42472 yes they have some controversy about that song especially war of hormone and they apologized. After that they rarely do song about girl, even if they do RM tell us that he make sure to give the lyrics to women's studies professor to analyse it. It's up to you to forgive them or not but they do apologize and take an effort to do better. About rm character in the storyline. No he's not drug addict, his character is he living in poverty and struggle in live. All the characters do have bad and dark story but then they find themselves and in the end love yourself🤷.

This was extremely well said. Ever since day 1 of becoming a BTS fan, even without knowing korean you could feel the passion just from watching their videos. The passion is what seperates them from other bands and its why they have so many fans.

@@amme6805 jin is not passionate and most 1 d members make music because they are passionate

@@abimaellopezmaylord27lopez7 im sure jin is passionate about music. Also, im not saying music just in general or calling ID out, jin is passionate about acting, being apart of bts and being an entertainer.

Finally a directioner !!!!! same sister Army and directioner here 😭😭

I mostly agree with what you said, but I disagree that BTS don't/didn't care about the fame and the money. They sing about it all the time. From No More Dream, literally their first single, to j-hope's most recent Arson, they've been quite honest about wanting fame, money, and success. There's nothing wrong with that either. The difference is how they approached the road to success - by staying true to themselves and their message through their songwriting and their constant drive to deliver strong performances.

Love it!!!! Thank you!

Spill bestie 💅🏻

FACTS

Then at the end of the day money, fame & achievements will gone when you die. Sad but that's how life works.

Totally correct 💯 💜💜💜

So well said, FYI I’m 59 years old having same feeling & tought as yours…

@@ruthfischer7615 yes, I have heard the lyrics are very meaningful to them, and I haven’t delved deep enough yet. However, for me and many international fans, the music is what hits me the hardest. Coming from the US, I find many English songs sung by many artists in which I haven’t a clue what all the lyrics are, even though I speak English, but I still like the music. I just don’t catch all the lyrics, even in English, so often that I will not try to listen to the lyrics but to the music and musicality of the vocals. This is the way I listen to BTS-more with feeling and appreciating the entire track’s cohesiveness. I do often recognize that earnestness of youth in their songs and hope they can never lose their values and shine their light on the world. I remember that feeling from my youth in the 70’s, but it has been oppressed by the ugliness of the world and it’s hard to feel hopeful. But that feeling comes through in their music, even if I don’t understand the lyrics. Perhaps I will study their lyrics in the future.

@@ruthfischer7615 yes, I have watched the series but will watch again in the near future. It’s a good documentary made by fans, I understand.

Yes I agree I’m 65 years old but I love there dancing techniques and singing at the same time no one can do that except BTS boy band LOVE THEME SO MUCH

I swear my day was literally destroyed bumping onto this. Iv only heard of asian hate ...and wooowww!thats why these bands havent made it through ,art is art no matter the language and the fact bts delivers through in korean and made millions love what they do is pure art! Im good chillin with my korean bts..lol!

Exactly! This was sad to hear 😔 But I'm glad they're still here after 10 years 😁💜

Y lo mismo esta pasando con Hybe que esta sacando grupos a cada rato ahora que BTS se va al ejercito, pero aun asi necesitan de la popularidad de BTS y el apoyo de ARMY para que sus ingresos no caigan

Lo encuentro muy chistoso como los gringos o los k hablan inglés se enorgullecen de que sus artistas sean una sensación global, pero no los ves cuestionándose si los países que no hablan inglés les moleste el tener que escuchar a sus cantantes y no entenderles 🥴

Well said.

about the female dancers part lol I realized with BTS even when they do have female dancers on stage there’s usually no difference between them and the male ones, they execute the same hardcore choreo and usually have the same wardrobe too and I like that BTS really portrays their female dancers as more than just ass shakers on stage and that they’re talented enough to match the hardcore choreo

@@Prettyhilli absolutely 💯. Very strong female dancers

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I'm about the same age and the first time I heard BTS it was 'Mic Drop' followed by 'Run BTS' then Black Swan and I was completely hooked. What you've said about BTS I feel the same way and I have to agree with you about the arrogance, self entitlement and downright lack of manners from a lot of 'other' groups.

same here. Guess we're in the same era

Me too❤️

Count me in too! I still like to listen to 90s boybands for a change of mood BUT BTS still on top of my playlist wherever i may be.

Same 🥰🥰💜💜💜💜💜💜💜🇧🇷

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Ysabelle is amazing and has such a beautiful voice. Approved by BTS themselves in the "you sang our song" series!!

CNCO? They’re not from Spain tho

@@eriao05 Não tenho certeza, mas acho que são da República Dominicana, posso estar enganada 🤷🏽‍♀️

they are latinos not spanish. Spanish:White european people that conquered latin america . So there a huge difference

@@alexiacaceda1421 hi. Sorry for the misunderstanding. That explains why they are so arrogant

Oh, none of the Western boy-band groups can compete with ANY K-pop group's hard work.

*none of the western boy bands can compete with the hardwork of k-pop groups.

@@ystrw honestly

@@ystrw nah the OG Boyband like New Edition and New Kids on the Block, NSYNC can, those ones worked hard for their fame. The new generation western boybands definitely cannot compete.

@@chocbbe7762 Sorry but none of those would have been able to compete with BTS. There's work ethic alone wasn't good enough, their songs were bland and boring. Their skill sets and artistery pale into insignificance when set alongside BTS.

They even compose their stage performances!

This though 👏🏻 I was definitely one of those apprehensive people who thought the language would be a barrier but I think it was ‘Lie’ that Jimin sings where I was like 😳😳🤯🤯🤯🤯 And I’ve literally been obsessed ever since. Western groups don’t release songs like “The Truth Untold” or “Film out”. The music like you Said is what draws the Fans in. It doesn’t matter if they’re singing it in…. “aMeRIcaN” or not.

@@kristen_vogel many western groups do release meaningful songs but they aren’t popular so that’s why western groups talk about dating

@@kristen_vogel Gangnam style is Korean but North Americans like it

omg same!!! apart from bts my favorite band is linkin park. i never thought i would love a non rock/metal artist like bts, but they really go beyond all genres and stereotypes. like you said, they set the bar very high.

Linkin park and coldplay...oh I am gonna cry😭😭I love them too..you have great taste!

I love Linkin Park too! Both LP and BTS are in my favorite artists of all time list!

@@boracitymagazine omg this is so interesting, as a teen I also loved Linkin Park and listened to their albums on repeat (still on a discman at that time ahhaa). I saw your other video about how bts are rockstars and it explained a lot about why i love them and also can't get enough of them. thanks for making all these great videos, im bingewatching your channel atm

🤗 Oooh! Ms.C.. 🙏 So Few Words That Said So Much! 💜 Merci Beacoup *Watching from New⚘Jersey, USA 😎

omg thank you!!😭

I praise bighit

confidently saying that they're down to take bts to the next level like excuse me? show me how u perform again? seeing their clips on this video, they're a walking trees on stage 😂

@@ashton1356 walking trees eye-

Yes. Well said👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

And they have a unique concept and choreographies that the west best never really used before

That and the fact they are all extremely talented and well educated young men.

and their lyrics

Unfortunately they did, but it was all aimed at Zayn as the one brown Muslim boy :(((( sooooo much racism and Islamophobia, he deserved better :(

@@rhythmelia that's true and sucks so much. But I meant them as a group didn't struggle because of it like for example bts' music doesn't get played on radio because its in Korean, 1D sang in English so no problem there

@@zoezoe4041 Yeah, fair enough! The group as a whole still got a lot of radio play and promotion opportunities

@@zoezoe4041 at sometimes , Zayn had felt more racism ad depression cause he was the only member facing it as non white. Someone wrote a song in his name that Zayn did 9/11.

the other group members didn't face racism as a whole but zayn definitely did. he was hated on severely especially after he left the band. but yes the point till stands, one direction were also ostracised in many ways when people didn't take them or their music seriously

omg thank you so much!! i work really hard on the research, writing and editing for all these videos and i'm so happy to see that people like the results💜 i'm also really excited for chapter 2. i know they'll keep breaking boundaries and changing the music industry

Same. I just discovered this channel few days ago and loving all these videos. & Just the way you said ; she is incredibly good at contextualising things. BTS are great artists and I always loved art & when I discovered BTS I was amazed by their artistry, the way they use symbolisms and references from different books ,artworks & cultures & other artists too. It's just great.

Same. If someone would ask me why I LOVE BTS I WILL JUST SHOW THEM THESE VIDEOS 😅💜 I just discovered this channel, ofc ✨ SUBSCRIBED ✨ and now I am on this channel’s 5th video bingewatching while reading comments 🍿💜

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Same. I remember watching the Big Time Rush tv show when I was younger and being a fan of the group. Smh at the fact that that one member said those things about BTS. Agree with everything else you've said.

@@twilightdream i think one big time rush member is half asian

@@twilightdream which BTR member was it? Kinda disappointed when I've been watching BTR since I was a kid and was waiting for there comeback for a long time and saw the video and this comment

bro he's a grown ass man with three kids, do you think he listens to the radio? of course not, I mean obviously I felt offended as well but I kinda understand why he doesn't know them and shit, besides that he's such a sweetheart soo I hope he gets to know better bts to understand the power of their music. Just like that army and army rushers can live peacefully without throwing hate at anyone💗

@@abimaellopezmaylord27lopez7 one of the members, Carlos, is fully Latin American (Venezuelan/Dominican) he's the one who said "I thought dynamite was sung by a girl" - I just find it so weird how he'd be ignorant about it as someone with his background. But in all fairness I think he just didn't know. I think he'd like BTS if he got into them.

thank you so much for your support!💜 i just posted a new one!