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BOSS' New RE-202 Space Echo vs. a Vintage RE-201 | Analog vs. Digital

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2 жыл бұрын

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@badmen1550
@badmen1550 2 жыл бұрын
Boss/Roland if you’re listening, you should make a mini-Jazz Chorus-in-a-box using this 202 format. Complete with cab sim, authentic EQ section, headphone jack, true stereo chorus/vibrato and distortion. Iridium killer. That would be sick
@dsmalf
@dsmalf 2 жыл бұрын
The Jazz chorus was just the Boss CE-1 or CE-2 if I remember correctly, so the waza craft ce-2 should do it
@peachtinted
@peachtinted 2 жыл бұрын
@Badmen been thinking absolutely the same! The Boss IR-200 is doing that yet without the legendary chorus effect (gotta put a separate chorus pedal in your fx loop), plus it's amp modelling and not hardware. Worth a try tho!
@badmen1550
@badmen1550 2 жыл бұрын
@@dsmalf I mean the Roland Jazz Chorus amp, JC-120 etc.
@jorgepeterbarton
@jorgepeterbarton 2 жыл бұрын
@@dsmalf yes one of those, but the amp sound could be cool i guess (minus its distortion!). Actually, i just wish someone would do it as a plugin more- I've only ever found one plugin of a JC-160 by kuassa
@foobarbizbaz
@foobarbizbaz 2 жыл бұрын
Roland made a space echo with a chorus
@NewHopeAudio
@NewHopeAudio 2 жыл бұрын
that 202 enclosure is the best thing Boss has done in years. sleek, retro, cool. hope they release new pedals in this format.
@telecasper
@telecasper 2 жыл бұрын
I can already imagine a certain Chorus being reissued… I hope in it’s analog form
@thebunchofvolume
@thebunchofvolume 2 жыл бұрын
worst designed pedal ever. such a dissapointment
@guitarball
@guitarball 2 жыл бұрын
Yes! i love it.
@softlightsymphonyband
@softlightsymphonyband 2 жыл бұрын
We’ve found the Strymon burner account.
@NewHopeAudio
@NewHopeAudio 2 жыл бұрын
@@thebunchofvolume lol what
@phobophobian7765
@phobophobian7765 2 жыл бұрын
is Andy the only pedal reviewer that understands IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT for some of us to hear how delay pedals self-oscillate? I just knew he was gonna demo that by the end of the video. No disappointments there.
@mercedesescobarmusic
@mercedesescobarmusic Жыл бұрын
Can you explain why that's important to you? Just curious...
@phobophobian7765
@phobophobian7765 Жыл бұрын
@@mercedesescobarmusic Some of us believe that it's a sound by itself, and not all delay pedals do it the same regardless of all other settings. Some sound glitchy (like the pedal demoed here) and some sound chewy (like the actual Roland unit). The real tape/mag machines have an interesting chewy, dare I say desirable, sound that is usually not simulated well in delay pedals.
@lance134679
@lance134679 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comparison with a real 201 - they're big, noisy, expensive and need a lot of maintenance (but awesome), so an updated digital pedal makes way more sense for most. It's seems the Boss engineers looked at all the great existing tape emulation pedals (like the Volanti) and incorporated some of the best features along with a fairly hefty price. Also, the aesthetic design of the 202 is spot on, with a Space Echo theme on a CE-1 shape - '70s vibes all 'round.
@lance134679
@lance134679 2 жыл бұрын
@@user-zq9su8jv2k Ironically, I have a tape delay - the Replicator D'luxe and I really like it and use it all the time, despite all its drawbacks.
@pstrokeslibsarctic
@pstrokeslibsarctic Жыл бұрын
You know that Boss actually did make a Delay unit with this enclosure back in the days too? Not just the CE-1, just search DM-1.
@lance134679
@lance134679 Жыл бұрын
@@pstrokeslibsarctic I didn't know that. Thanks. It looks exactly like one would expect. I'm sure they're rarer than hen's teeth at this point.
@AdamsOlympia
@AdamsOlympia 2 ай бұрын
Are there any plugins that come closer to the real deal? After hearing them back to back, it's no contest -- the 201 has so much sparkle and depth, while the pedal is flat and one-dimensional.
@lance134679
@lance134679 2 ай бұрын
@@AdamsOlympia There's something special about tape delay that's really hard to capture digitally. I've done tests with my own real tape echo by T-Rex, comparing with a digital emulation, and the real tape echo would always win out - it has a sort of 3D sound to it that I've never heard in a plugin or digital pedal.
@lorenmax9460
@lorenmax9460 2 жыл бұрын
I love how he actually plays music, and doesn't just shred and try to show "chops" like most demos.
@johnjohnfox
@johnjohnfox 2 жыл бұрын
Andy you are the GOAT. I've been watching you for many years during the ProGuitarShop days, and the Tone Report, free pedal Fridays etc. People like you have helped shape the music scene and keep guitar, and guitar pedals alive. A new generation has embraced you, and you've influenced so many young players, old players. Because of you, music is going to sound better in the coming years. You've rejuvenated the scene. Thank you sir. You are one of my idols. Thank you.
@AndyDemos
@AndyDemos 2 жыл бұрын
I sincerely appreciate the kind words, thanks for watching over the years! ✌️
@johnjohnfox
@johnjohnfox 2 жыл бұрын
@@AndyDemos Thanks Andy, it's an honor
@derekarmstrong1408
@derekarmstrong1408 2 жыл бұрын
well looks like I will finally grab a fake Space Echo. That RE-202 is perfect for what I do. Great coverage as always. I haven't bought a single pedal in years without watching your reviews first.
@slushedpuppy8044
@slushedpuppy8044 2 жыл бұрын
Kudos to Boss for finally updating the incredibly antiquated RE-20 but, man, the original RE-201 smokes the piss out of the this new RE-202 like nobody's business.
@JasonHaxton
@JasonHaxton 2 жыл бұрын
Yep
@ishancooper
@ishancooper 2 жыл бұрын
💯💯💯
@solarflaresmusic9267
@solarflaresmusic9267 2 жыл бұрын
i disagree, some settings sounded pretty identical. It's all subjective anyway.
@Endless__Scroll
@Endless__Scroll 2 жыл бұрын
Amen! If you can't hear the difference in that immortal chime and twang you're kidding yourself
@Soundgas
@Soundgas 2 жыл бұрын
It's great. Delay pedals are great. Plugins are great. But yes, the piss is indeed smoked out of this by the real thing :)
@DanKlotz_danferth
@DanKlotz_danferth 2 жыл бұрын
This thing is sick, and I am so glad I didn't pull the trigger on a RE-20 a few months ago.
@jasonshermandds6034
@jasonshermandds6034 2 жыл бұрын
That was a great demo, Andy! Really enjoyed it. The new pedals are cool for sure. The RE-201 still sounded like magic from here - even over the computer through cheap speakers!
@qiuz51
@qiuz51 2 жыл бұрын
I had a real RE-201 in my studio for the better part of two years. It came from a wealthy collector’s personal gear stash and it was one of their prized units. I found the best tech in my area to restore it and paid several hundred dollars to rebuild it to the best possible standard. The tech and I spent two hours hand-tuning the modulation for the most musical wow and flutter possible. The Strymon El Capistan walked all over it on every single session and it wasn’t even close. Clients who had booked the studio with specific intent to use the Space Echo always preferred the pedal and there were very few scenarios where the original truly excelled. Save the money people, just buy the pedal-they’re doing a really good job of capturing what it does here.
@Soundgas
@Soundgas 2 жыл бұрын
There are not many techs who really know what they're doing with a tape echo (which is definitely another strong argument in favour of a pedal being right for a lot of people, along with saving money!). But, for the record, if you are having to "tune the modulation" and it can't even get close to the Strymon then those are two clear indications that it wasn't working to anything like its full potential.
@torryc
@torryc 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting. I had a RE-201 in my studio and an El Cap. The Roland made the Strymon sound like El Crap, and I love Strymon. I’ve since sold both and bought an Echo Fix.
@qiuz51
@qiuz51 2 жыл бұрын
@@cloudconnect Adressing some comments about tuning the modulation here. Wow and flutter was undesirable to the original designers of tape echo effects. If the unit is in factory condition the repeats are fairly static and percussive and don’t have the beautiful natural movement we’re all searching for with this effect. As many modern approaches indicate, some amount of the ‘unmaintained’ tape sound is actually what you want. This occurs naturally as the many moving parts in the mechanism drift over time. The trick to making it sound good is to preserve a bit of that. It’s a delicate balance that takes familiarity with the mechanics of the tape path to get right. Adjusting that is what I mean by ‘dialing it in.’
@nocuh
@nocuh 2 жыл бұрын
The re-20 is a good, fun pedal in its own right. These new units are another great evolutionary branch, with even more options for practical use. Yet for all that utility, my luddite preference is unable to give up on the percussive first repeat of tape. Unmatched impact for slapback 💪🥊
@SonicRave1
@SonicRave1 2 жыл бұрын
As much as I like boss pedals I think I will keep my NuX Tape Core echo pedal. It is another great low budget recreation of the Space Echo.
@jorgepeterbarton
@jorgepeterbarton 2 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see them compared actually. I nearly got a Nux as some said it was better than re-20, plus theyve released a big version at the same time as this
@seyringheat
@seyringheat 2 жыл бұрын
NUX is releasing the 505 Tape Echo in a few months. I watched the demo today. Best tape echo simulation I've heard to date. I was going to grab a tape core, but I may wait for the new one. FYI: Sounds like it's going to be pretty salty though $175 ish.
@csakennyitakartam
@csakennyitakartam 2 жыл бұрын
wow. I'm seriously considering it. I have the real thing but I'd also need something that I don't mind taking with me to the rehearsal room and potentially for gigs, too. I wonder about the 202's preamp, though, cause that's a big part of what makes the original so incredible.
@SupraphonicsSurfCombo
@SupraphonicsSurfCombo 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah... so the new ones to me are very "hi fi." Not a criticism. Treble sticks out. Overall sound is layered. Old box is less in yer face with the effect, fewer highs, and more "integrated" sounding. The new boxes seem to capture the specific "fizzy grit" of the Space Echo better... which I don't find in other vintage analog units (which is why I usually like the SE best of them). The older Boss SE pedal captured that less I think. Nice upgrades on these pedals!
@bengerrard1791
@bengerrard1791 2 жыл бұрын
Well Put. It sounds exactly like, well, what it is. An emulator. Much prefer the 201. So much warmer and fuller.
@JusAequum
@JusAequum 2 жыл бұрын
Seeing RE-202 in CE-1 shape makes me wish Boss makes a reissue of CE-1 as well!!
@peterlukach310
@peterlukach310 2 жыл бұрын
Some day 😞
@feelmytool
@feelmytool 2 жыл бұрын
I could see Warm Audio doing a clone, their jet phaser is pretty awesome and just like the original
@shellbournian
@shellbournian 2 жыл бұрын
CE-2W has a CE-1 mode
@mark7166
@mark7166 2 жыл бұрын
If you want a pretty good clone of the CE-1, check out the Retro-Sonic Chorus. It's the best chorus I've ever played.
@chrismijares488
@chrismijares488 2 жыл бұрын
Give the Analog Chorus by Mr. Black a spin. Analog circuit with digital control, 4 modes… I got one and it sounds fatter than John Goodman.
@gilla409
@gilla409 Жыл бұрын
The first minute sold me. I have another digital tape modeling delay, and the only thing it gets wrong is when adjusting the speed on the fly. On the 202 it sounds like they nailed the smooth pitch shift. This one is definitely on my wish list.
@timoluetk
@timoluetk 2 жыл бұрын
Well the original still has quite a bit more clarity and twang. The Pedal sounds great still! Think I'll stick to tape echo emulation in my DAW and a great bucket brigade delay for my board though. Great demo!
@alexandermacnab6668
@alexandermacnab6668 2 жыл бұрын
PSP stomp delay is awesome for DAW
@timoluetk
@timoluetk 2 жыл бұрын
@@alexandermacnab6668 yeah PSP make some great stuff. My favourite is the Soundtoys Echoboy though :)
@buddhamus
@buddhamus 2 жыл бұрын
Another great review by Andy. I not only love his playing, but I really appreciate the way he explains what he (and the pedal) does, and why he's doing it. He always gives us a clear explanation that is not only educational but entertaining as well.
@jessejarrar
@jessejarrar 2 жыл бұрын
Really happy to see this pedal come out as it attempts to simulate the original for people who don’t have that kind of bread to drop or need the extra studio space. That being said, I’d give up some studio space for a 201 any day. I think I’ll stick with volante for now. Really similar and I think the layout is a little better and more fully featured
@firatyildirim2288
@firatyildirim2288 2 жыл бұрын
This morning i was very excited about this reissue and here comes the Andy. Thanks for review and thanks Boss.
@GuitarSwan
@GuitarSwan 2 жыл бұрын
I had the RE20 on my main board for years. Finally took it off because of the form factor and a bit of tone suck in the bypassed signal. Replaced with just a standard Carbon Copy. These 2 look very, very cool though, and of course no one better than Andy to demonstrate what they can do.
@PEMAMETAL
@PEMAMETAL 2 жыл бұрын
The original seems to be more clear and at the same time smoother. I think may be the RE202 was set with more gain/saturation, because it seems to be clipping and distorting more
@tomt55
@tomt55 2 жыл бұрын
The 202 sounds great to me. I would have asked for the tape age to be on a pot with a wide range from pristine to barely working. A bit pricey, but if you like this sort of delay - taking a tape machine out to gigs is pretty dicey/risky at best, this certainly would solve that issue.
@sonofdirt
@sonofdirt 2 жыл бұрын
I wish the twist mode was more like a momentary preset that could be customized, instead of the goofy time bend.. I want to swell into more feedback, saturation, wow & flutter while leaving the delay time alone
@AndyDemos
@AndyDemos 2 жыл бұрын
This would be a good application for the exp pedal!
@Louis_Velliotes
@Louis_Velliotes 2 жыл бұрын
I dig all of these, for sure the tape 201 sounds best to my ear. Hey Andy, missed your "here is my clean tone."!
@jmsamborski
@jmsamborski 2 жыл бұрын
I'm legitimately shocked that the vintage unit sounded superior by a mile on every setting demonstrated. As always, Andy was great, but this might be the only time he deterred me from buying a new pedal.
@m-catparanormalresearch5569
@m-catparanormalresearch5569 2 жыл бұрын
I though about buying an re20 pedal. But hearing a vintage unit play, it's no contest
@the-np4mr
@the-np4mr 2 жыл бұрын
A mile is overly generous, but yeah
@whynottalklikeapirat
@whynottalklikeapirat 2 жыл бұрын
@@the-np4mr Ah but it’s a cosmic Lovecraftian mile - it cannot be fathomed or quantified by the senses or intellect of mere 4-dimensionals such as ourselves …
@flattruthhoax9911
@flattruthhoax9911 2 жыл бұрын
The only reason why the vintage unit sound better is because of the treble setting on the r202 in this video... Way to much treble. Tape also compress naturally. So to be honnest what you call better is just more mid and compression period. I have a vibtage unit and its a pain to service. Im really happy with the new one. Also... a age unit with bad cap etc lose the high end. Hence why the new one sound thinner.
@mooseyard
@mooseyard 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but what are your options? I had enough frustrations with ordinary cassette decks back in the 80s that no way am I going to buy an expensive and aged tape-based device that’s even more finicky. So it’s really these pedals vs. other emulations like El Capistan. I agree it sounded off here, but maybe it’s just the settings? Disappointed Andy didn’t try to get a closer match.
@rydeentokio
@rydeentokio 2 жыл бұрын
The emulation is really impressive. Hurrah for Boss! I hope they release the Chorus Echo digital version.
@Bobby_Digital37
@Bobby_Digital37 2 жыл бұрын
Boss has done it again! Another pedal I didn’t know I needed 🤷🏽‍♂️
@joshofsorts
@joshofsorts 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds pretty close to me, but the 202 sounds like the mix is just a little too high & there is a little more modulation even with the Wow & Flutter turned all the way down in comparison. Not too surprising, as my experience with my Fulltone Tube Tape Echo is that the actual modulation is more subtle than digital recreations... Giving people what they want to hear, I guess?
@BradPham
@BradPham 2 жыл бұрын
I heard this too. The OG has the more subtle intricacies. The new one is more in ya face. Wouldn’t say no to it, though.
@softlightsymphonyband
@softlightsymphonyband 2 жыл бұрын
I think that’s intentional for demo purposes as you want people to hear what it’s doing and what it’s potential is in terms of being mixed heavy. Many pedal demos I see have the effect mixed way higher or way more extreme than I’d likely actually use them, but I know I can and will likely dial them back for my own personal tastes.
@BradPham
@BradPham 2 жыл бұрын
@@softlightsymphonyband Your point makes complete sense but I still sense measures of subtlety in the OG that the new kid on the block can't match.
@jaylloyd7246
@jaylloyd7246 Жыл бұрын
Wow they sound great ! Have the 201 love 202 but hands down the old analog come on it’s like has it on suppressed quality clear and nice ! But the others have more sounds but ! May I say more sonic distance ! Not so close? But have 1 would prefer original! That’s just my sonic ear! Well done!thanks
@Slurkz
@Slurkz 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing comparison. Thanks! Great gitarist 💜 Imagine these devices tested in a reggae dub setup… 🇯🇲.
@godfreydaniel6278
@godfreydaniel6278 2 жыл бұрын
The thing about old-school tape delays is that they had AWESOME pre-amps that sweetened your sound wonderfully even if you didn't employ the delay...
@peoplevrobot
@peoplevrobot 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this; its very interesting. The new unit captures the repeats and patterns but IMO doesn’t come anywhere close in terms of what the old unit does in terms of harmonics, high end sheen and the way it compresses perfectly. The new unit compresses the signal and the tone just loses the magic and life. So much of the tone of old delay units is the preamp and tone circuitry.
@Soundgas
@Soundgas 2 жыл бұрын
This, all day, every day. It's a great delay pedal, but it's definitely a delay pedal.
@teriakamoto
@teriakamoto 2 жыл бұрын
I slept on the Korg SDD-3000 pedal you demoed a few years back and they discontinued it for whatever reason and now of course they fetch around up to 800.00 USD. I won't be sleeping on this one.Delay is my favorite and main Time Based FX. I use sparingly just enough to thicken up things. Now I can play old DK songs and drive the Neighbors to the Brink. Sounds good to me.I'll supply the Grit Ha Ha.
@mattrwilkins
@mattrwilkins 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds great. The first real competitor for the Volante (but hard to imagine it’s significantly better).
@Settii
@Settii 2 жыл бұрын
I'm over here telling myself the exact same thing, with my shiny new Volante sitting on top of my reel to reel tape machine...and the tiny version of me with red horns is sitting on my left shoulder with a giant grimace, knowing damn well my trigger finger is itching with a severe bout of Gear Acquisition Syndrome right about now...
@Soundgas
@Soundgas 2 жыл бұрын
@@Settii and on the other side, the one with wings is asking: ‘do you really need another echo pedal?’ …as if that was ever a reason not to buy one😂
@jremi
@jremi 2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree with others on the quality of this review! The best I have seen so far. I purchased a Roland RE-201 in the late 70s. The sound of the Boss RE-202 brought back so many memories. Very unique character. Thanks for this great review!
@DAZ0204
@DAZ0204 2 жыл бұрын
Andy, doing the pedal god’s work! Thanks for doing a comparison with a real 201, not even 24 hours after the 202’s official announcement, no less. You’re amazing!
@kristopherdetar4346
@kristopherdetar4346 2 жыл бұрын
So glad to see you again our amazingly talented pickless guitarist !!
@alancrapo2881
@alancrapo2881 2 жыл бұрын
Andy, I'd love to hear you run that RE202 into a Blues Driver and play some shoegaze!
@JayBeBerg
@JayBeBerg 2 жыл бұрын
The Boss sounds good but the original sounds amazing!
@telecasper
@telecasper 2 жыл бұрын
Roland = Boss 😬🤓
@nkmcfrln
@nkmcfrln 2 жыл бұрын
@@telecasper So the Roland Space Echo was a Boss pedal?
@telecasper
@telecasper 2 жыл бұрын
@@nkmcfrln correct! Roland founded their pedal business and called it Boss. The Space echo was a Roland tape delay unit, not exactly a pedal but similar to other tape delays like the Binson Echorec etc. cool story!
@telecasper
@telecasper 2 жыл бұрын
@@nkmcfrln then Boss did a Space echo-inspired twin pedal as Boss, called the RE-20, used by Radiohead and others in the 90s
@nkmcfrln
@nkmcfrln 2 жыл бұрын
@@telecasper The Roland Space Echo was not a Boss pedal.
@davidkieltyka9
@davidkieltyka9 2 жыл бұрын
Dunno if the RE-202’s preamp modeling is switched on here, but if it’s not that might explain why it sounds a bit crispier overall than the 201. Anyway the 202 sounds pretty darn good to me. Might have to get one!
@mattflickinger8151
@mattflickinger8151 2 жыл бұрын
Wow! I feel like I am hearing more “mid range” in the digital?
@LeF11
@LeF11 2 жыл бұрын
Think the echo mix was just higher than it should have been to match the 201. 201 was definitely the most musical.
@lostreb
@lostreb 2 ай бұрын
Let's get one thing out there up front...I'm Friggin' OLD...Over 3/4 of a Century Old. I started Gigging in the early 60's through the late 70's (when I made the mistake of getting married and because of pressure from the EX In-Laws to get a "Real Job and a Real Profession"...I guess EX In-Laws pretty well covers the rest). I play as often as I can...Make that as often as my arthritis permits. I really wish I could have a RE-201, but I'm retired on a fixed income and that is nothing but "I really wish" thing. I just got my RE-202 and I'm going crazy with all the possibilities. When I say this, please keep in mind the "I'm Friggin' OLD" before you tear into me when I say...I just wish it was a little bigger. And there's zero way I would ever be able to use a RE-201...Too Friggin' Small!!! Now, all you Young-uns with great eyes and no arthritis, I'm sure the smaller the better. I haven't had my RE-202 long enough to even grasp all the possibilities, but I'm very impressed so far. Since I live in the world of the past (Ventures, Beach Boys, and quit gigging the same year as the Doobie Brothers Farewell Tour) with Delay, Reverb, and Tape Echo...The RE-202???? Just simply as close to the RE-201 as I'll ever get now!! About as close as I'll get to my wheelhouse today. (In case anyone wonders? The closest I own to distortion or overdrive pedals is an "old" Fuzzface.) I probably should have led with this...I really appreciate the effort made to give the Side-by-Side RE201 - RE202 comparison. Great Job and Great Work!!
@nathanmielke1977
@nathanmielke1977 2 жыл бұрын
When we visit Mars, I want to bring Andy along with me. I want to have a 9 month long jam session with digital and analog machines flying in a spacecraft. Put some loop on infinite decay and see how far we get. Rock Solid demo!
@stratjed
@stratjed 2 жыл бұрын
BOSS has aways been the coolest kids on the block ! Dominated the stomp box world since the Beginning. And still the #1 selling Pedals world wide . No BS creative engaged Company.
@iwiggs6870
@iwiggs6870 2 жыл бұрын
Sat here, shut my eyes whenever the A\B test was done and could instantly pick the real tape from the 202. The 202 sounds great and I'll probably end up getting one, but real tape delay makes the echoes sound like they are part of the instrument, digital always makes the delay sound like it was added on top.
@TheCandidat
@TheCandidat 2 жыл бұрын
Yes you can easily tell the difference
@peterstone4277
@peterstone4277 2 жыл бұрын
My feelings exactly. It was like the dry signal and delays of the 201 combined into a new thing, whereas for the 202 there was a clear distinction between wet and dry sounds. It was especially noticeable on any of the settings with reverb.
@jimtroeltsch5998
@jimtroeltsch5998 2 жыл бұрын
the new pedals seem to have much louder repeats compared to the analog version. all sound pretty dope.
@MrPonkine
@MrPonkine 2 жыл бұрын
What I'm missing is Andy singing 'For a minute there I lost myself' through the Space echo units 😉
@doughankins3996
@doughankins3996 2 жыл бұрын
Incredible work as always Andy!
@DanAdlingtonOnline
@DanAdlingtonOnline 2 жыл бұрын
When Boss get it right they really knock it out of the park. I'm impressed.
@jt3483
@jt3483 2 жыл бұрын
Gotta be honest... I think I actually preferred the tone of the 202, at least in this video compared to this 201. I'm pretty surprised, it just sounds so good.
@gordonhuskin7337
@gordonhuskin7337 2 жыл бұрын
lay off the copium
@MrBallynally2
@MrBallynally2 2 жыл бұрын
You do because you like the spiky mids the 202 has. It is exactly why i dont like it. It misses the 201 air..!
@bengerrard1791
@bengerrard1791 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrBallynally2 true
@middle_pickup
@middle_pickup 2 жыл бұрын
That RE-2 is wild. Idk how I'll not buy that.
@gregrandallbtsr03
@gregrandallbtsr03 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much!! Just purchased the Strymon El Capistan and I really like it, but I think I'm going to add this one.
@douglasdog1
@douglasdog1 2 жыл бұрын
I’m really exited about this, but maybe what I’m hearing is a clearer more hi-fi sound from the original.
@deanbradley5499
@deanbradley5499 2 жыл бұрын
Great pedals, if only there was a way to reproduce machine warmth.
@amylou7991
@amylou7991 2 жыл бұрын
Great demo! 👍 For me, I think the 202 is incredibly close with the re 2 not far behind.
@ClayAllred
@ClayAllred 2 жыл бұрын
That is really fun. WELL DONE Boss!! Thanks Andy!
@Guitarman1959
@Guitarman1959 2 жыл бұрын
Johnny Marr would appreciate that opening tune...Great demo, Andy!
@depotgear
@depotgear 2 жыл бұрын
The Spring reverb on the two new space echo sounds as bad as on the RE-20. Instead the sound generated by the Twist seems to be even more ugly
@hollowify_tensa_zangetsu
@hollowify_tensa_zangetsu 2 жыл бұрын
I've wanted the Boss RE 20. it was decent prices. then saw a video from pedal partners on the Boss RE 2. I was so excited that night I checked out the RE 2 good prices,then i looked for RE 20 and saw some used for $300. i seen it before at $260. but when I compared them the RE 20 to the RE 2 and it was cheaper. so mine is own it's way!!!!!!!
@davidhrivnak
@davidhrivnak 2 жыл бұрын
Dang I was ready to be really impressed by these pedals, and they're definitely cool, but I'm kind of surprised how much better the real one sounds. I actually have an original RE-201, but I still keep going through pedals like the Strymon El Capistan and the UAFX Starlight hoping that something will sound close enough to the real deal (for playing live and for the convenience of not having to worry about maintenance), but nothing's quite there yet. I still love and use those pedals since they sound great in their own way, but it would be so cool if there was a pedal that sounded just like a real tape delay.
@ramses8847
@ramses8847 2 жыл бұрын
I've bought and sold a lot of gear over the years but my biggest regret was my RE-201. And that's really because it sounds SO much better than any recreation, this included. Listening to both back to back you can just hear the analogue sound of the original and it is so much better sounding. Maybe one day they can emulate this digitally but not sure I'll be alive lol
@davidhrivnak
@davidhrivnak 2 жыл бұрын
​@@ramses8847 Ah man, I know that regret all too well. I really wish I hadn't sold my Fulltone Tube Tape Echo, and I still think about it all the time. Regarding digital emulations like these new Boss pedals, I think the harmonic richness of electric guitars reveals their shortcomings far more than things like analog synths or drum machines, and there are a lot of people out there who don't plan on using these with a guitar. That being said, these still sound really cool with guitar, and you can definitely use them to create heady journeys for the headphone explorers. I don't know if we'll ever be able to emulate the analog richness of real tape delay, but I suspect it will eventually be possible (hopefully in our lifetimes!). In the meantime, I'm really glad we have both options.
@ConnahJay
@ConnahJay 2 жыл бұрын
@@davidhrivnak I think that is a good point, the guitar just brings out more tonal imperfections than a synth or drum machine would. I used a Boss RE-20 for years with my turntable/turntablist setup and it sounds pretty good on produced songs, as well as live. Check out Medium Troy "Space Tree", I used the RE-20 on all the scratching effects.
@donruzek6193
@donruzek6193 2 жыл бұрын
Listening on headphones, the 201 is more transparent in general. The high feedback sounds quite different between the 2. The new features of the 202 are great, and the tone is fuller for better or worse. I’m gettin one!
@ccfmafia3301
@ccfmafia3301 2 жыл бұрын
I still love the RE20! Now's a great time to get a deal on these bad boys used. The guitar pedal equivalent to when Roland dropped the SP 404 Mk ii last year
@alexsplode7419
@alexsplode7419 2 жыл бұрын
Definite CE-101 incoming vibes from that enclosure ...
@wakjob961
@wakjob961 2 жыл бұрын
4th demo I've watched today. It sounds amazing in all of them so far. Boss ftw.
@arnaldocap0
@arnaldocap0 Жыл бұрын
That Space Echo's texture! ufff. Pedal is super cool though! I wonder if you can warm it up with something after it.
@fiumax494
@fiumax494 2 жыл бұрын
I think I should not be so obsessed with it being an exactly crafted replica of the original monster. I am interested in it and I see it as a musical tool with unique sonic potential. Owned an RE 20 years ago and sold it in order to afford a big box Stereo Memory Man reissue. I still think it was a very musical delay pedal and I sometimes miss it.
@nonyaanon6801
@nonyaanon6801 Жыл бұрын
that analog outperformed every one of them pedals by far, the sound was pure and natural versus the too much presence type sound. mellow, natural is what i look for and it produces great tone or compliments it, whatever u prefer. ya just didnt include the single boss pedal enough in between all those takes. i believe you could of did better with the video. although, good idea, nobody else did this. thank you. good efforts.
@johnnycool9990
@johnnycool9990 2 жыл бұрын
I've owned the re-20 for 10 years. I might need to grab this too, just for the wow and flutter
@marcraygun6290
@marcraygun6290 2 жыл бұрын
I don't have one of these but always use Watkins copicat and love the sound and functions as kind of preamp for extra grit
@evankolpack
@evankolpack 3 ай бұрын
The pedal sounded better overall. I've restored and owned many tape machines and tape echoes. I love the sound of real tape...and yet, the pedal sounded better. I think that Space Echo really did need an overall, or at least new electrolytic caps to bring back the low end.
@alphanuevo
@alphanuevo 2 жыл бұрын
Great demo! What guitar and amp was he using? Hard to beat the original but comes at a high cost for purchase and maintenance. The new pedal sounds great. One thing you can do is use an old cassette recorder as an echo also if you want to combine digital with analog.
@alexolague5965
@alexolague5965 2 жыл бұрын
I love it! But that price... Nux's version will be around $170 bucks. It would be nice to see a comparison beetween nux and BOSS's new versions of the space echo
@rakusin
@rakusin 2 жыл бұрын
You can try the Echo Core to have an approach
@SonicRave1
@SonicRave1 2 жыл бұрын
NuX Tape Core pedal can be found on reverb for about $99. It’s an amazing pedal for the price.
@-thirteen
@-thirteen 2 жыл бұрын
I think that real one is miles ahead in feel and lushness over the pedal. I know, it's real but damn it's night and day
@justinguitarcia
@justinguitarcia 2 жыл бұрын
Dang… this or the new DL4?!?!? Quite the delay dilemma
@matttorres8921
@matttorres8921 2 жыл бұрын
DL4 MKII has the looper feature I would like and now has some neat reverbs now, I wish this had a loop feature. It would be a no-brainer for me.
@followthebeat66
@followthebeat66 Жыл бұрын
You can hear the saturation of the tape in the intro! Biggest difference comopared to the Digital one.
@greenvelvet
@greenvelvet 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a pretty BASIC delay pedal to me. You can get the same sounds/functions out of a pedal, a fraction of the price. you don't need to spend $400 on a cheap imitation. The same sounds and functions that I get for my line 6 delay pedal that I bought 20 years ago
@johnh.kingstonlll5727
@johnh.kingstonlll5727 2 жыл бұрын
The RE-201 analog Tape opens up and has warmer low end and overall sound of the original signal. The RE-2 and RE-202 sounded like it changed the sound (tinty) and clamped (Choked) the signal. Yea can't totally digitize all analog devices. Analog sounds the way it dose for a reason.
@drewdemaio4162
@drewdemaio4162 2 жыл бұрын
Finally got my RE-202 and thought I'd just share this here. I really wanted to be able to use the reverb by itself, which you can do, but only if you turn the echo volume down MANUALLY. My hope was that when I switch off the delay, the reverb could still be on regardless of echo volume or any other settings. I'm sure there is some sort of hack by using the presets or something but this is disappointing as I always leave reverb on. If anyone has a solid workaround, let me know!
@stuartcrane6298
@stuartcrane6298 Жыл бұрын
I would set up a preset as "reverb only" and then have the RE-202 as an always on pedal. Then when I want to use the RE-202 for echo/reverb, I'd simply switch to another preset. Then I'd switch back to reverb only when I want just that to run through my amp.
@tompoynton
@tompoynton 2 жыл бұрын
I think I’d have preferred it in the 200 format but it was probably too tempting not to do it like this
@itchyvinyl
@itchyvinyl 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t think they sound very alike. But they both sound cool, usable, and worthy of owning.
@chrisv4193
@chrisv4193 2 жыл бұрын
Man the original sounds incredible. The new ones are ok, but after comparing with the 201, it’s not even close.
@Grunfeld
@Grunfeld 2 жыл бұрын
What a great review. Wasn't going to get any more gear but always had a soft spot for tape echo. Could get the 202 and make room for it by selling on DM-2w and the M300.
@seyringheat
@seyringheat 2 жыл бұрын
Sucked my tone as well. I really stripped down my board. Seemed like half the pedals were there to retain signal integrity.
@AlainHubert
@AlainHubert 11 ай бұрын
Great demo. But I think that since this RE-201 "probably needs an overhaul" as Andy put it, it might have been wiser to use the "aged" selector on the RE-202 to better match it? Nonetheless, I think that the RE-202 is great in many ways. I returned my Volante and got a full refund and bought the Boss instead. It's been a couple of weeks now and no regrets so far.
@CosmoStraaf
@CosmoStraaf 2 жыл бұрын
GREAT demo!!congrats!!!
@stilllifewithguitar184
@stilllifewithguitar184 2 жыл бұрын
Love the layout and it sounds great, but the original just sounds more like part of the tone, like it's integrated better or built in somehow. Maybe rolling off the highs and backing the echo level down could get it closer. But it is a very, very cool pedal. Not sure it would replace my El Capistan, but it does more usable with the control layout.
@druwk
@druwk 2 жыл бұрын
There’s something special about multi head delay sound? Owning an actual RE-201 would be a lot of commitment and expense. Even in this demo there’s a “clarity” of sound with the real deal, but playing with other musicians I don’t think you would be able to really hear the difference? This is a great time to be alive for guitar Tones!
@oneox958
@oneox958 2 жыл бұрын
Wonderful playing, and its great to see the 201 finally getting some love from Boss, but I'm really disappointed they went full digital to replicate such a legend of their lineup. They did the same with the RE20 - all digital. I understand they want to sell pedals; pedals sell more volume than rack units. But the timing is unfortunate because J Rocket just released the full analog Clockwork with tap tempo for the same price. And the world of digital tape emulation is already so oversaturated; I feel like Boss is really missing an opportunity to reissue or redesign an analog 201 or 501 for the modern world. Instead we get yet more digital simulations. Hooray....
@mvsr990
@mvsr990 2 жыл бұрын
A BBD delay like the Clockwork would be a terrible way to 'replicate' the Space Echo.
@CorbCorbin
@CorbCorbin 2 жыл бұрын
It would cost a lot. Check out the Echo Fox EF-2 Tape Echo Unit. It’s a modern Tape unit, with 7 modes. $2,200 new. Fulltone has a Tube Tape and a Solid State Tape units, not even a decade old, and sell for around $1700. You want analog Tape Delay, with all the options of the Space Echo, in a modern setup, it’s gonna be a $2,000 unit. Remember, that’s Reverb, a preamp, and at least 6 or 7 modes for tape head and reverb combos, along with the actual tape delay. You aren’t getting those features in a small unit that is analog.
@opensourceq
@opensourceq 2 жыл бұрын
i mean, boss makes BBD pedals if thats what you want. if you want your signal actually be put on tape, the only pedal i could find (t rex replicator) seems to cost way more than these, so,
@badmen1550
@badmen1550 2 жыл бұрын
In the highly unlikely event that Boss/Roland were to ever reissue an actual tape version of the 201, it would surely be in a very limited run and would probably cost more than an actual vintage unit in good condition.
@DeadWhiteButterflies
@DeadWhiteButterflies 2 жыл бұрын
I really like the enclosure shape of the 202. Looks much easier to wield than the clunky bike looking pedals those RE20's had. I still have an RC (sadly doesn't work, but dunno about if it can be repaired) and it was very easy to get your foot stuck on the wrong switch when you're trying to loop something.
@PedalsFusion
@PedalsFusion 2 жыл бұрын
202 sounds too perfect than 201 and the magic lays in unperfection in my opinion. When Andy compared reverbs -- 202 sounded more like hall reverb rather then spring reverb.....but that's just my erars and laptop speakers and of course this video. Waiting for mine to arrive and then I could tell more from my exerience. Thanks Andy !
@seyringheat
@seyringheat 2 жыл бұрын
To my ears the RE-202, and RE-2 sound absolutely nothing like a RE-201 analog tape echo. They severely lack the warmth, and subtle nuances of the original. They sound sharp, brittle, and frankly... digital. I bought the RE-20 when it came out hoping it would capture the sound of an RE series Roland tape echo unit, but it fell extremely short, and I took it back after a few days. They just need to keep on trying.
@SupraphonicsSurfCombo
@SupraphonicsSurfCombo 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if Andy had turned the treble WAY DOWN it might have been closer?
@MrMissingReel
@MrMissingReel Жыл бұрын
@@SupraphonicsSurfCombo Andy should have used the "aged tape" setting....that setting is way warmer and closer to the original than the "new tape" setting everybody's using for their comparsion videos. I don't get it.....why?
@geoffcurran6202
@geoffcurran6202 Жыл бұрын
@@MrMissingReel Agreed
@alessandrodecarli2462
@alessandrodecarli2462 2 жыл бұрын
Very very close to the original...since I read the news about this new pedal, I started wondering of where I could use it...❤...I'm talkin' bout RE 202, of course...
@benjaminfowler4513
@benjaminfowler4513 2 жыл бұрын
All 201s are going to sound slightly different I'd imagine so I'm sure this thing is closer to some than others
@depotgear
@depotgear 2 жыл бұрын
The RE-20s that are digital already sound slightly different from each other, even more so the real tape RE-201!!
@mikedr1549
@mikedr1549 2 жыл бұрын
Already have one pre-orderd!
@otaviosmartins1
@otaviosmartins1 2 жыл бұрын
I was in love with the RE-2 but the RE-202 is OMG so much sexier
@damnthatsweak
@damnthatsweak 2 жыл бұрын
This is great and all... but why don't they just make new RE-201's?
@Samana009
@Samana009 2 жыл бұрын
Because of price, sound limitations of the original, necessary maintenance and frequent issues inherent to a mechanical device. It brakes all the time. It is noisy and you have to change the tape once in a while.
@Jakeman90210
@Jakeman90210 2 жыл бұрын
The 202 doesn’t keep the effect out of the way of the guitar signal like the 201 does. Is this analog summing at work? I do not know but to me it sounds much better in that sense
@badmen1550
@badmen1550 2 жыл бұрын
That’s the sound of tape. I dunno if he had too much treble dialed in on the 202 or what, but it sounds tinny compared to the old 201.
@byrdmanalb88
@byrdmanalb88 2 жыл бұрын
I’m just here for Andy and the echoes 😍😍😍
@slayerus23
@slayerus23 2 жыл бұрын
The real 201 is still a clear winner here, so much more organic. The 202 is a good effort but it doesn’t make justice to the original.
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