I appreciate the time you took in order to teach us how to score our buck racks, good luck this season, plan to make my first sit this cold front pushibg thru this weekend oct 6th thru 8th AR....
@lukebouwman6843 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the help! Just gross scored my Michigan buck at 143 7/8.
@bowhuntordie Жыл бұрын
Nice, that's a great Michigan buck!
@LeeL-bt7mx Жыл бұрын
Gross score is all that should matter
@mikeyd59699 ай бұрын
I totally agree,Nets are for fishermen .
@tfrost33elkhunter9 ай бұрын
100%
@xtreme85419 ай бұрын
I clicked on the comments solely to post something like, "Gross score for the win," but saw you had already set the record straight.
@derrickrr55169 ай бұрын
Well… Yes I agree so much that it is the only score I care about and the only one I mention when I tell someone the size of my buck or the buck I’m after. However, I disagree in the sense that Net score absolutely has its place and makes total sense in my opinion. B&C was wise enough to create a Typical category and a Non Typical category. Just because the majority of us hunters only care about gross score (gross gross if you’re talking about non-typicals) doesn’t mean Net score doesn’t have its place.
@daveyboy890723 күн бұрын
Exactly
@greycritter3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for taking the time to show this! I appreciate it.
@bowhuntordie3 жыл бұрын
We're just here to help!
@Sodbuster3462 жыл бұрын
That’s was a perfect clear tutorial on measuring a deer
@hashtagjustadad5110 Жыл бұрын
Very informative. Thank you for taking the time to explain it.
@robertflint411510 ай бұрын
Good video. Easy to understand and informative. Thank you.
@sj1roese Жыл бұрын
I have measured every 8 pointer wrong, I thought H4 was only for 10pts.+ I stopped at H3 on every single one. Sad part is that it explains it right on the online B&C scoring calculator, I had to check it when I heard you say it.
@jamesspallinger938 Жыл бұрын
I was the same, I didn't think you could take the last circumference on an 8 pt. Gives me another 4-5 inches.
@RatRatRattyRatRat3 ай бұрын
Flexible tapes are also typically available at sewing stores, since tailors use 'em to measure people.
@cameronbrennemanoutdoors Жыл бұрын
Well my biggest buck I shot was a 7 pointer that was missing the middle beam on one side and it scored 96 3/8 I’m now gonna check it years later lol
@cameronbrennemanoutdoors Жыл бұрын
It was accurate
@jacktastick Жыл бұрын
This is the most convoluted thing ever.
@raspybob99052 жыл бұрын
Someone will watch this 20 years from now and say what is writing on paper? Lmao
@underdogoutdoors3 жыл бұрын
Excellent overview my friend!
@pewpow1837 Жыл бұрын
thanks for the learn... love from south FL swamp deer !
@paulcrave31122 жыл бұрын
Looking good JZ!
@SuperheroDon Жыл бұрын
I haven't experienced it (yet!) but where are your 4 H measurements if you have a symmetric 10-pointer? (or anything more than the sample 8-pointer you presented) Thank you for the explanation and education!
@indianapublicland7429 Жыл бұрын
Same as the video but the last mass measurement would be the thinnest spot between the G3 and G4 on a ten point.
@truspirit1925 Жыл бұрын
I didn't know stickers had to be an inch....I was always told a quarter inch or hang a ring on it....man...mine just got smaller lol.
@MrRyanmcmahon Жыл бұрын
Excellent tutorial
@Bobb1julie Жыл бұрын
Nicely presented 🎉
@brucevonah511 Жыл бұрын
I don't hunt but love putting myself in the right spots , right time of year and right time of day just driving around cause they are so cool to see. I live in NE Iowa so plenty of nice deer to see! I can honestly say I've prolly never seen (if this is a 130) anything over a 150 in my life. I always felt like I see monsters every year but maybe even a none hunter like myself gets buck fever lol
@sumtingwong4997 Жыл бұрын
I used to be just like you brother. I bought some property and decided to give hunting a try. After many attempts and figuring out what to do and what not to do I finally got one. I am hooked. Mine is only 111-4/8" but it's my first and a trophy for me.
@chasingthefish9042 Жыл бұрын
You might have seen a good 150 wet, but they shrink as they dry out.
@tommurphy6013 Жыл бұрын
Great tutorial
@gs6373 жыл бұрын
Good stuff, thanks!
@outdoorsmeplease2 жыл бұрын
@10:07 so that's what she meant lol, great video I learned alot about scoring on this video 👍
@RandomPerson-kz8yu9 ай бұрын
Thank you, I just got my Maine buck scored and its net was 201.50
@jaygr3065 ай бұрын
Pretty rare in the state of Maine
@jaygr3065 ай бұрын
Big bodied deer but just don't have the Agriculture and abundant minerals to find a ton of deer in the 200 range here
@THESPORTINGCAMP Жыл бұрын
Excellent video. 👏👏👏👏👏
@lwsrider3 жыл бұрын
A good tutorial. Thanks! One question. What's the difference between Boone & Crockett, and Pope & Young? Why are there 2 different scoring systems?
@justinzarr78773 жыл бұрын
The primary difference is that P&Y is for bow-harvested animals only, while B&C allows for animals harvested with a bow or gun. B&C also has higher minimum requirements to get into their record book. The scoring of the antlers is essentially the same though.
@jax9224 Жыл бұрын
Pope and young is a private deal and can kinda make up their own rules of what can be in their books so the exclude cross bows and some other kinda strange rules on what equipment you use and things like that. This is stuff I have heard over the years but have never looked into it real deeply. Does this sound right Justin.
@yabba5696 Жыл бұрын
Pope and young's minimum entry is a 125" overall score boone and Crockett is a 160" over all score
@Treestandtroubadour Жыл бұрын
@@yabba5696 lol I’m glad you’re the one that knows what their talking about !!
@yabba5696 Жыл бұрын
If you want to get real specific boon Crockett is any weapon, Pope and young is bow And it was created I wanna say in the sixties in the sixties maybe the seventies, The 2 people that's their last names Pope and young they had a huge early bow hunting in the United States Like in the same class as Fred bear type of influence. But they wanted a scoring system that was unique to bow honey so a 140" buck that was killed with a gun at 100yd would not super seed a 139" deer killed at 10 yd with a bow. And that is like a crappy overview of it all, if you really read into it it's pretty neat and you can learn a lot about the history of how bow hunting come about and how we got to where we are today in some ways I wish it was like it was an old days
@clarissacarlton89748 ай бұрын
My son got a 151 & 6/8 inches
@bruceboysoutdoors6007 Жыл бұрын
Great video
@coledrevenj Жыл бұрын
We call that a 3 pointer out here in the PNW.
@markj3639 ай бұрын
Awesome vid. Thanks for this
@Yettiattack7 ай бұрын
How would you score a 2x blacktail?
@staysafe10962 жыл бұрын
Beautiful trophy
@nataliethomas28778 ай бұрын
How would you get your fourth measurement on a 7 point when one side has an eye guard, a G2 and then his main beam.
@nat0rade8 ай бұрын
Lul. Deductions. I’m sure the deer was thinking of that 😂
@staceysmith2848 Жыл бұрын
THANKYOU
@carypeaden41473 жыл бұрын
Good video. Thanks!
@bowhuntordie3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@BossPrepping Жыл бұрын
how to score a deer? how many pounds of meat does it put in your freezer only score that should count
@virtuaguyverify Жыл бұрын
That's my only score also
@Mijaybird46 Жыл бұрын
I agree
@jameslinzmeier3689 ай бұрын
Dumbest thing I ever did was to NOT get my trophy measured. This rack is small compared to my one big one. It had G1 times that were 12 inches (and they were the shortest), it was almost symmetrical. The inside spread was 25-1/2. Shot in mid Wisconsin. I do not even have it anymore as I got tired of moving it when I moved for work.
@chadsherer90849 ай бұрын
Maybe the dumbest thing you ever did was gave it away
@TwisTingThroTTles2 жыл бұрын
Let’s say you shot a monster 3x3 whitetail. How would you get your 4th circumference then ?
@bowhuntordie2 жыл бұрын
You would just count the last measurement twice. So 1st would be between brow tine and base. 2nd is between brow tine and G2. 3rd & 4th are between G2 and the end of the main beam.
@jackandtheoutdoors97562 жыл бұрын
Do you add the greatest spread and the tip to tip spread to the score
@bowhuntordie2 жыл бұрын
The only "spread" measurement you add to the score is the greatest INSIDE spread. You can always measure the outside spread and tip-to-tip length, but those 2 don't count toward the buck's score.
@jackandtheoutdoors97562 жыл бұрын
@@bowhuntordie thanks for the feedback
@bowhuntordie2 жыл бұрын
@@jackandtheoutdoors9756 no problem!
@felixmikkialmosttoasted39118 ай бұрын
My guess on this guy was 132 when the video started. I was close when he revealed the score
@westonwirsig3407 Жыл бұрын
So if you are measuring the inside spread and the beams angle out at the top do you measuring the top or bottom of the beams?
@bowhuntordie Жыл бұрын
You measure the greatest distance between the two beams, regardless of where it happens to be. If the beams extend out, then you could be measuring at the tips rather than in the middle. It all depends on how the antlers grew.
@aaronrowell3566 Жыл бұрын
@@bowhuntordie I thought the inside spread, while measured at the widest point, still had to be 90 degrees to the skulls center line (wording on the score sheet.) Meaning you cannot arc your tape around to different points of the opposite beam. It must stay, in essence, parallel to the frontal/coronal plane (medical term) of the skull. Am I wrong on this?
@unluckyhunter4321 Жыл бұрын
I have a question. I got my first whitetail a couple of weeks ago and would like to score it for myself. The problem I have is it was a 10 point, but he broke one G1 and both G3 off somehow. How do I score broken tines? Do I at all? One G3 is broke off right at the main and the other G3 is about 2 or 3 inches long. And the one G1 is broke off right at the main. Help please
@bowhuntordie Жыл бұрын
Since you're just looking for a rough score and not doing this officially, leave the G1 as zero, and measure whatever is left of the G3. It doesn't have to be exact if you just want a rough idea of how big the deer's rack is.
@matthewchase674410 ай бұрын
Hows the brow tin the g1 its the brow tin then g1 g2 and main beam and if your logic is true then the main beam is then a g4
@dzgroup18683 жыл бұрын
Nice
@justsomecoolprayingmantisd6422 Жыл бұрын
Can’t wait to get my buck back from taxidermy so I can score it. The Guy said it’d probably be mid 140s .
@williammcguire1823 Жыл бұрын
How would you measure for example, a split g2. The tine is Y shaped?
@bowhuntordie Жыл бұрын
You measure the main tine as usual, then measure the secondary (abnormal) tine from the base of the tine that it splits from to the end.
@KeepinYouUp07 Жыл бұрын
What if the rack only has 1 g1? I'd assume there's no inside spread measurement there?
@bowhuntordie Жыл бұрын
As long as there are 2 beams, you will have an inside spread measurement.
@nastynateanddaboys10 ай бұрын
Are all deer species scored the same?
@dimebag69829 ай бұрын
Just remember, NETS are for fishing
@albiedam3312 Жыл бұрын
One question. Why is this deer considered a 6 point, and not an 8? Why isn't the end of the beam also considered?
@bowhuntordie Жыл бұрын
The beam is considered a point, so this is an 8 point rack.
@tyler3533 Жыл бұрын
So how many h measurements would a 9 point have, If it’s only 4 how would I take that measurement
@storiesinstone9628 Жыл бұрын
Measure just like he did on the 4 point side and measure between the G3 and G4 on the five point side.
@tonysorcinelli8 ай бұрын
At the end there you said you add in abnormal points to get gross score. Thats not correct. Abnormal points do not get added to the gross score and for the net score they are deducted
@nathanschool43553 жыл бұрын
What do they do with the outside spread, and tip to tip measurements?
@justinzarr78773 жыл бұрын
Nothing really - they are just for statistical purposes.
@reddawng43x912 жыл бұрын
No such measures as outside spread
@jax9224 Жыл бұрын
@@reddawng43x91 yes actually they do record that number. It don’t go towards the score of the buck but it does get recorded just as Justin said for statistics and for biology and the study of deer.
@nickmillican43413 жыл бұрын
How do you guys measure a split G2 or split brows?
@bowhuntordie3 жыл бұрын
You basically do it the same as a regular tine coming off of the main beam. So for a split G2, you measure whichever tine is the "main" one from the base of the tine. And measure the split tine from where it comes off the "main" tine, if that makes sense.
@OBSZIDIAN54810 ай бұрын
The books are full to the max...people grow deer now, foos luck competing with them
@carykight7053 Жыл бұрын
Why do you get a 4th mass measurement on an 8 point?
@bowhuntordie Жыл бұрын
Every buck, no matter how many points, always has 4 mass measurements on each side.
@carykight7053 Жыл бұрын
Even a spike?
@davidhill3884 Жыл бұрын
Im an old school carpenter and when I hear the new boys calling out measurements as 4-eighths, I call em Re-tahded.
@bowhuntordie Жыл бұрын
That's how you measure a buck's antlers. You don't simplify the fractions, always leave it in eighths.
@route-2492 жыл бұрын
So what does it measure?
@jax9224 Жыл бұрын
He said around 130 ish if he remembered correctly. It has been a few years since he killed it
@cosmicbear88-23 Жыл бұрын
How i score a dear: Is he a handsome boi or is he a pretty boi
@BragginrightsFishin9 ай бұрын
......6 and 4/8ths.......
@charlesezelljr1420 Жыл бұрын
I have watched other guys measure and add from tip to tip, is this for net only. And your camera did not show and you did not explain we’re to hold your tape from your G3 to the tip then go half way and then measure your circumference.
@bowhuntordie Жыл бұрын
The tip-to-tip measurement does not account into scoring, but you can certainly measure just to know. As for the 2nd question, I'm not exactly sure what you're asking...circumference measurements are only taken from the main beams of the rack, between each tine. You do not measure the circumference of any tines.
@livingadreamlife14283 жыл бұрын
Informative presentation. However, I take exception to the suggestions to not worry about exact measurements and to simply get it close. I realize we aren’t talking about a world record here and that this was a demo on “how to score a deer”. However, a measurement for a P&Y scoresheet is a measurement, not a rough estimate. Thats why you’ve got a tape measure with precise marks in your hands. The beauty of the P&Y and B&C systems, along with the sheer enjoyment of learning to score your deer and compare notes with your hunting buddies comes from being as accurate as possible, not inaccurate. My .2 cents. Regardless, I appreciated your efforts in the presentation.
@jtmagx Жыл бұрын
6 and 4/8s aka 6 and a half
@bowhuntordie Жыл бұрын
When talking about measuring antlers, you actually don't change the fraction. If it was 6 and 6/8ths, you would say that instead of 6.75 or 6 and three quarters.
@hdl285723 күн бұрын
Two things…I won’t pass a deer that I would shoot on the last day of a hunt. Secondly, I only measure so I can talk about the deer better(brag) I don’t brag but if someone told me they bought a car and I ask them what color and they say idk I don’t really get into the politics of that….I’d uhhh
@kylebailey8498 Жыл бұрын
I’m guessing before watching the eight on the table is 125
@bowhuntordie Жыл бұрын
Close! This buck was about 130-132"
@kylebailey8498 Жыл бұрын
I don’t know about an h4 measurement without a g4 point
@carykight7053 Жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing. When you are scoring a buck, when you get to the mass measurements, it says if present. There shouldn’t be a 4th mass measurement on an 8 point. And surely not a 3x3.
@bowhuntordie Жыл бұрын
Like he says in the video, you ALWAYS take 4 mass measurements despite the amount of tines.
@daletill5544 Жыл бұрын
You don’t count the 8 points to the score
@bowhuntordie Жыл бұрын
Correct. It's an 8-pointer, but that has nothing to do with how many inches the antlers are.
@johnelsberry4169 ай бұрын
Flexible tape,. Cloth
@jimboslice9472 Жыл бұрын
..Or... U can harvest a doe & avoid the hassle. U Still Can't eat horns , mmm k 😉
@bowhuntordie Жыл бұрын
Or...you can harvest a buck that has a bigger body and more meat. AND also score the antlers! 😂
@JohannenJohnson-li3qz Жыл бұрын
lol
@truthserum969 Жыл бұрын
4/8 is 1/2 bro
@bowhuntordie Жыл бұрын
Yes, I know. But deer antlers are scored in eighths. You don’t simplify the fraction.
@ScottWConvid19 Жыл бұрын
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