Bowl Demonstration #1 -- using two pounds of clay

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Marc Mancuso

Marc Mancuso

9 жыл бұрын

Bowl Demonstration #1
Introduction and comments
0:01 Introduction
0:35 speed recommendations
1:03 water comments
Start piece with hole in middle
1:12 start the first hole
1:46 anatomy and technique thumbs vs fingers
2:40 start hole with thumbs
3:39 finish hole with fingers
4:02 decision for bowl form starts at floor
4:16 “Frisbee” tip/technique of counteracting wheel spin
Establish deepest part of curve of bowl
5:12 pull out curved bottom with curved fingers
6:00 compression of bottom for looks, strength
Early height efforts start with broad touching
6:54 first raising of wall, broad hand shove
8:14 second raising of wall, also broad hand shove
8:36 shift from broad hand shove to smaller fingerprint pinch
Remaining height with fingerprint pinching
8:55 first fingerprint raising
9:52 rim correction technique with sponge
10:34 second fingerprint raising
11:40 water using comments
12:00 third fingerprint raising
At full height, but generic form, hand and tool shaping starts
12:48 first hand shaping of rim
13:08 hanging string curve structure guideline
13:36 sponge shaping, several gentle changes
14:11 precleaning the bottom (pot not finished yet!)
Final shape refinement with tools
14:39 rib shaping from inside
15:16 rib shaping from outside
15:40 correcting the unnecessary bump (“shelf”)
Summary
15:46 summary of steps

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@clayplaystudio5310
@clayplaystudio5310 6 жыл бұрын
Your instruction is one of the best out there! Thank you for sharing your knowledge!
@lizzeldizzel
@lizzeldizzel 5 жыл бұрын
You explain things so clearly!
@triciac1019
@triciac1019 2 жыл бұрын
Something also to remember is keep your arms anchored either on your thighs and as you are pulling up, snug against your body and always lean over. He anchors his hands together also to keep stability. Such a good video.
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso 2 жыл бұрын
I liked making the video! Anchoring the hands is so important... thank you for commenting.
@jademckay-robinson8447
@jademckay-robinson8447 5 жыл бұрын
You explain everything very well 👌🏽 thank you for sharing your knowledge 🙏🏽✨
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for saying so! I hope it helped!
@thismountain928
@thismountain928 9 жыл бұрын
Awesome video--love the detail in your explanations. Thanks!
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso 9 жыл бұрын
thismountain928 Thanks! I'm glad you liked it.
@HelenLongoable
@HelenLongoable Жыл бұрын
Perfect speed and commentary. Thank you.
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso Жыл бұрын
You're quite welcome. Ask me anything, anytime. Good luck!
@chelindarivas174
@chelindarivas174 4 жыл бұрын
That was amazingly satisfying to watch! It looked so easy and your clay was like the most perfect centered clay I've ever seen. . . anyhow, back to my novice struggles! Sigh. .. Practice makes proficient, but I just want a beautiful bow NOW!!!!
@sabineseifert7130
@sabineseifert7130 6 жыл бұрын
Really a very good and informative video! Thanks for your great explanations of every little step. So helpful!
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for writing! I'm so glad you learned from it.
5 жыл бұрын
Really helpful video! I will try this technique today 😊
@eschang6678
@eschang6678 4 жыл бұрын
Very thorough and detail explanations! Excellent tutorial. Thank you for making the video.
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso 4 жыл бұрын
You're very welcome! I love doing it....
@cocoblanco5824
@cocoblanco5824 6 жыл бұрын
thank you so much. a lot more clearer than my teacher..
@bonitatong1238
@bonitatong1238 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the details share, thank you.
@rosekourie1532
@rosekourie1532 2 жыл бұрын
Most useful, best method and explanation I've seen so far. I can't wait to try it out. Thank you.
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso 2 жыл бұрын
You are very, very welcome! I'm grateful you wrote. Good luck. Send questions if you'd like.
@da_designabode4175
@da_designabode4175 2 жыл бұрын
I made my first one bowl..using the steel rib at the end and cut a little two times..so two marks are there in the bowl. I almost did it 1 month back. This video is so nice..perfect for learning again for me. Thankyou for the detailed explanation.
@jtcpottery
@jtcpottery 6 жыл бұрын
You are the "Mr. Rogers" of Pottery! Great lesson!
@AlpacaRenee
@AlpacaRenee 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent instructor. Thanks for sharing your knowledge so clearly. Your descriptions of what your hands are doing are very understandable. Very useful for this very novice potter. Thank you so much.
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso 2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you got useful information out of it! Keep that wheel spinning and good luck! Let me know if you have any new questions.
@alinacampos-vega2368
@alinacampos-vega2368 3 жыл бұрын
VERY VERY VERY helpful....Thank you so much!!!!
@JulieHiltbrunner
@JulieHiltbrunner 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this helpful tutorial!
@kathyvangogh4034
@kathyvangogh4034 4 жыл бұрын
Good teacher!
@lizziecutts4042
@lizziecutts4042 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the fantastic video! 😊
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso 3 жыл бұрын
So glad you liked it, AND commented! Thanks, and good luck making bowls.
@MayaTheDragonBorn
@MayaTheDragonBorn 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!! My professor taught it to be so much more difficult than how you teach it. You helped me so much to throw better bowls and I appreciate you!! Thanks!!
@erinwithryder
@erinwithryder 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video, Marc. Your instruction is so clear compared to other potters'!
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for saying so! I work at it very hard. :)
@greeneyzblu
@greeneyzblu 6 жыл бұрын
I've been taking a throwing class for a few months and have watched tons of videos. This is by far the best! The audio and video are great and the explanation very articulate and useful.
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you very, very much. I like making them and have many more on my list! Hope it helps!
@GeorgiaBrowne4
@GeorgiaBrowne4 4 жыл бұрын
This is such a great video from someone who has a calm manner and makes it look easy. I have used his suggestions in making a bowl and the instructions are 'right-on'.
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso 4 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad you like it! Thanks!
@TristanJPDX
@TristanJPDX 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Marc. Can't wait to make a bowl.
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso 4 жыл бұрын
Great! You'll do FINE.
@PiedPiperfly
@PiedPiperfly 6 жыл бұрын
One of the best throwing videos out there (and I've watched a lot!). I'm self taught and it took me a long time to pick up the techniques you manage to mention in one video. Wish I'd seen this earlier! Thanks
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for writing this! It feels I could make one every day, except I have the attention span of a goldfish! Glad it helped!
@fainitesbarley2245
@fainitesbarley2245 4 жыл бұрын
Being able to teach is a gift.
@andiarrohnds5163
@andiarrohnds5163 3 жыл бұрын
this dude sounds hella annoying though... like some kind of ultra liberal who is very much politically active
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso 2 жыл бұрын
@@andiarrohnds5163 You might be wrong about me, my friend! Let me know if you have any questions about ceramics.
@andiarrohnds5163
@andiarrohnds5163 2 жыл бұрын
@@marcmancuso perhaps.... perhaps
@MeTheUglyDuck
@MeTheUglyDuck 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing this video! This was very helpful! :)
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso 4 жыл бұрын
Very glad you liked it! Happy clayworking!!
@joycee5493
@joycee5493 3 жыл бұрын
Great tutorial!
@sarahbeal4099
@sarahbeal4099 5 жыл бұрын
You remind me of Bob Ross ☺️ thanks for the tips! Super helpful
@markcumbriauk
@markcumbriauk Жыл бұрын
Brilliant.
@bschuber
@bschuber 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, thank you!🙏🏻
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso Жыл бұрын
My pleasure!
@wgw6602
@wgw6602 3 жыл бұрын
Doing the first wall heightenings with the palm of the hand solves so many problems for me - I was constantly making the wall uneven with my 1st couple of pulls using fingertips. Thanks for the video!
@adeolaobagun1602
@adeolaobagun1602 Ай бұрын
Thank you so much for this beautiful explanation. You are really good. God bless you
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso Ай бұрын
You are very welcome!
@sammyspaniel6054
@sammyspaniel6054 4 жыл бұрын
Great tutorial.
@TristanJPDX
@TristanJPDX 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Marc! You're awesome. My friends are going to get so many bowls.
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome news! Thanks for writing. Keep going keep going. Your friends will be lucky with your bowls. Remember that everyone will want to stack things into one another. And also, remember how deep cabinets tend to be.
@agnetajirevall3942
@agnetajirevall3942 3 жыл бұрын
OH! You make it look so easy.Practise,practise,practise.I have my own pottery wheel now,it is so much fun.Thanky for a very good lesson
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso 3 жыл бұрын
thank you! practice is important, you're right! All your teachers will use different words to describe what they feel, and what you are looking to feel yourself. Last year I tried this overall advice: The only thing that can give you enough stability to throw is the GROUND. Make sure there's some way you're relying on the ground. Feet, legs, torso, arms, hands, clay. After that stability, comes the balance that comes from practice, not to overreact. A few clay problems might appear, which your teachers will make sure get fixed. Chair is important, but not more than you are. Good luck!!
@ibarretaibarreta
@ibarretaibarreta 5 жыл бұрын
claro y preciso, muchas gracias
@mreinstein48
@mreinstein48 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you!! Can't wait to begin my first one! But first I have to get... a potter wheel!
@natlanier8376
@natlanier8376 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Really great instruction.
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso 3 жыл бұрын
You're very welcome! Hope it helps!
@tmiller7011
@tmiller7011 6 жыл бұрын
Marc I used one of the tips in the video yesterday. The thumb in the hole and not resting my hands on the side. So helpful. I'm still practicing on getting the walls higher...so I'll keep watching your videos! Thank you
@vulcanswork
@vulcanswork 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@bandwilkalviwilk8437
@bandwilkalviwilk8437 Жыл бұрын
Great explanation
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso Жыл бұрын
I'm so glad you like it! Thanks, and good luck!
@carahoglund5266
@carahoglund5266 2 жыл бұрын
So clear and concise! Will be very help once i get back to throwing. I wish my original Ceramics teacher had been this clear.
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful! If you have questions about things, please just drop me a line. Good luck!
@simonparker4992
@simonparker4992 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Great video.
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso 6 жыл бұрын
Glad you like it!
@katnip6289
@katnip6289 4 жыл бұрын
Great instructions!
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!!
@alkismplatsoukas6006
@alkismplatsoukas6006 2 жыл бұрын
Outstanding!
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much!!
@fab423
@fab423 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent!
@barbaraconway305
@barbaraconway305 4 ай бұрын
Excellent
@debraheimbuch7943
@debraheimbuch7943 4 жыл бұрын
Very good video!! Helps Mee!!❤️❤️
@cindybracey4826
@cindybracey4826 2 жыл бұрын
Best Video I have seen, I made the bowl 1st time!
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso 2 жыл бұрын
I'm sure it is an excellent bowl! now go and make many more!
@alicexhinatarme
@alicexhinatarme 5 жыл бұрын
This is really helpful to me because my ceramics teacher just kept telling me that I move my hands too much. So thank you for explaining things so well
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso 5 жыл бұрын
I glad you like it! I do think people's hands move too much, though, but I add some tips, too!
@neha7690
@neha7690 4 жыл бұрын
I love ceramics and pottery. I want to take a class someday
@raquelasandino5825
@raquelasandino5825 4 жыл бұрын
Just do it. You won’t regret it!
@izabelamezcua3347
@izabelamezcua3347 Жыл бұрын
That is a beautiful bowl my guy
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso Жыл бұрын
thanks! I'm not sure where it is now, but I do remember eating some lovely curry from it. Probably.
@narunaceramic6396
@narunaceramic6396 3 жыл бұрын
very satisfying to watch this video 😳😳😳
@lynelabrecque100
@lynelabrecque100 6 жыл бұрын
Really useful !
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! I like making them, and am glad it helped!
@lacydrane2633
@lacydrane2633 5 жыл бұрын
peanut butter
@potterylady44
@potterylady44 5 жыл бұрын
lacy looks like it lololol
@hemorrhoidsasuke2030
@hemorrhoidsasuke2030 5 жыл бұрын
Thx for the idea.
@mitchelwilson4757
@mitchelwilson4757 3 жыл бұрын
forbidden peanut butter
@akashabeeler4244
@akashabeeler4244 3 жыл бұрын
extra creamy
@janouwerling3225
@janouwerling3225 Жыл бұрын
You have to start someware.
@WayneStcroix
@WayneStcroix 4 жыл бұрын
Nicely done 👍 I did pottery in high School in art class and l love working wit clay
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Clay is a great material!
@annemareegrace7808
@annemareegrace7808 5 жыл бұрын
GreAt explaining
@anjlala
@anjlala 9 жыл бұрын
awesome!!!
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso 9 жыл бұрын
anjlala Thank you!
@_-_chris-_-
@_-_chris-_- 5 жыл бұрын
Thank's a million for this extraordinary video. Perfectly explained in a clear accent, especially for non native speaker like me. Now I know, that one of my problems as a beginner is caused by the lack of enough water.
@arock7462
@arock7462 2 жыл бұрын
Too much water can cause problems toooooo
@robinw1312
@robinw1312 6 жыл бұрын
this is dope
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso 6 жыл бұрын
Thank You! i'm lazy about making more of them....
@heatherswing
@heatherswing 6 жыл бұрын
thank you so much for this video it's best one ever
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso 6 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad you like it! And thanks for writing it down, too! Good luck throwing bowls.....
@bittenandreasen5426
@bittenandreasen5426 4 жыл бұрын
Throwing is the perfect marriage of two hands ;)
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, it is!
@AffordBindEquipment
@AffordBindEquipment 5 жыл бұрын
I am in the process of building a potter's wheel and I need to know the height of the turning surface to the floor. I don't know if there is a standard or it's specific to the potter. From what I have seen, it's about sitting mid crotch height, lower than the knees. Thanks for any help you can provide.
@maragf5849
@maragf5849 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, very well explained. It is a pity that It was not in Spanish, because I have not found one in my language that is so complete, thank you for sharing such good advices. It would be nice if you add the possibility to select different languages ​​in the options menu of the video. Thanks again
@ireneafalla5740
@ireneafalla5740 4 жыл бұрын
Thank u sir..for teaching your knowledge...anyway what kind of clay did you used?
@shabnamkhaja5639
@shabnamkhaja5639 9 жыл бұрын
I learned a lot from your technique, would you please post the dimensions of this bowl when just thrown? Thank you
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso 9 жыл бұрын
Shabnam Khaja Thanks for the comment. The finished bowl is about 4-5 inches high by 6-7 inches across. I might be wrong, since I didn't measure it.
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso 6 жыл бұрын
Sorry, I don't remember the dimensions. It might be 8-9 inches across the rim.
@Alexander-rq9he
@Alexander-rq9he 11 ай бұрын
I wish I could take his classes..
@NiraRuth37
@NiraRuth37 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video . Could you please show how you move the bowl to a wooden surface ? I wracked my bowl when trying to take it of the wheel.
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso 3 жыл бұрын
I know the feeling! I'll try to make a video of that. But until then, try reading this for tips: First option: Do you have some metal tools called "pot lifters"? They're good for most pieces where the base still on the wheel is less than 8 inches. You always pass the wire, then slightly insert the metal tools under the piece where the wire passed. Hold both while turning and lifting up. Usually works! Second option: If you don't have the tools, many people use a thin pool of water to slide the piece sideways off the wheel onto a board held level with the wheelhead. But, I find that beginners have difficulty with this. Good luck! Does that help? www.amazon.com/Kemper-Tools-Lifter-inch-wide/dp/B00A6W457Q/ref=asc_df_B00A6W457Q/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=242033841575&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=15992262726091013936&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1018405&hvtargid=pla-458773080953&psc=1
@screamingeorge1
@screamingeorge1 6 жыл бұрын
Looks like caramel...... spinning round nom nom nom yummy
@lindaleary9913
@lindaleary9913 4 ай бұрын
The walls of my bowl are always too thick. I don't know how much pressure to apply when pulling up the walls
@chrismccuan5027
@chrismccuan5027 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! What clay are you using?
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso 3 жыл бұрын
This clay is a general stoneware clay. I think it has a little grog in it (the sandy particle). These tips would work for any claybody.
@deemdoubleu
@deemdoubleu 5 жыл бұрын
Hi, great tutorial - does the type of clay help or hinder throwing like this? My wife uses grey school buff clay (not sure if you call it this where you are).
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso 5 жыл бұрын
Many clays are subtly different, but the major differences are usually dependent on whether there's grog in the clay (a sand-like particle, varying sizes), and whether there is a great fraction of very fine particles (like in a porcelain or similar). The buff where I am contains grog, and is good for students who move very abruptly because it put up more resistance. The techniques I"m showing here will probably help anyone (hahahaha) regardless of claybody. At least I hope!
@deemdoubleu
@deemdoubleu 5 жыл бұрын
Marc Mancuso Thanks that's helpful.
@lindaleary9913
@lindaleary9913 4 ай бұрын
My walls always turn out lopsided. What to do?
@kaliashamir
@kaliashamir 2 жыл бұрын
🏵️
@eggfarts69
@eggfarts69 2 жыл бұрын
how long does it usually take for someone to learn this? I bought a wheel on the cheap and have been practising but i just can't seem to get the hang of it and worry i'm bad at it
@triciac1019
@triciac1019 7 ай бұрын
Have you thought of going to a studio and taking classes? They can tell you what you are doing or what you need to do.
@-succulentplant-joan
@-succulentplant-joan 2 жыл бұрын
👐👍😁
@shoukathaliali5305
@shoukathaliali5305 5 жыл бұрын
Sir i want to know its mixing pls help me
@samanthasobolewski9964
@samanthasobolewski9964 Жыл бұрын
Hi Marc, I find I’m struggling most with evening out the “shelf” in my bowls, and often when I try to, I end up ruining it. Do you have any pointers for that?
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso Жыл бұрын
yes and thank you! This answer has tips on how to fix a particular bowl that has a shelf. (A longer answer discusses how it happens and how to get out of that habit.) Think of the entire pot as a stack of five or more hula hoops on top of a hocky puck. The shelf is a really fat hula hoop. Just above it, is a thinner hula hoop almost slipping off the outside. Here's how we fix that particular bowl.
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso Жыл бұрын
The idea is to support the outside to keep it from even further collapse, while we work from the inside to continue thinning only the thick part. My hula hoop idea is to get you to work only at the level of the ledge and not move up "to the next hula hoop." Support the clay on the outside and lay fingers on the lowest part of the offending hula hoop. Try to make it just a little thinner, but not as much as half. Holding onto the outside of the pot makes the clay shift upwards and thinner, not outwards and thinner. At any time, use a rib to tuck the s-shaped wall into something straighter. Try that and see how it goes.
@samanthasobolewski9964
@samanthasobolewski9964 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this tip. I have continued to experience problems here and there, but after reading this, I’m excited to get back into the studio to give this approach a go. Appreciate the feedback!
@olgabeatrizbustamante7443
@olgabeatrizbustamante7443 11 ай бұрын
CASTILLA!!!!
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso 11 ай бұрын
¡Gracias! Disculpe, pero mi español es demasiado básico para entenderlo completamente.😁
@Annabella7Hu
@Annabella7Hu 4 жыл бұрын
How much pressure are you applying?
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso 4 жыл бұрын
Hello! The centering pressures are the strongest, since your hands have to work on a solid amount of clay. If you can imagine using your palms to pick up a gallon jug of milk or water from low grip on the sides, this is similar to the centering pressures. The wall raising and shaping pressures use much less pressure than that. if you've closed a ziploc or resealable bag with two fingers, you've used about as much pressure as you need for the early wall raising moves on the clay. The last shaping pressures on the thin walls are the lightest pressures. This might be like pressing a self-adhesive sticker or mailing label a bit harder onto its edges, when you have to make sure it's stuck. Hope these real-world examples help!
@aliswadi4066
@aliswadi4066 4 жыл бұрын
Hello this is only Clay or Clay with a few sand
@relmilioortiz5646
@relmilioortiz5646 Жыл бұрын
Looked like peanut butter for a second 🤣
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso Жыл бұрын
I know, I know! But that's one material I've never tried to use on the wheel. Maybe I should!
@lilianasaldana4963
@lilianasaldana4963 5 жыл бұрын
Hola Liliana
@callumsinclair5940
@callumsinclair5940 3 жыл бұрын
Bowl made of clay
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, yes it is! I think I made it blue in color.
@kittykitkat4968
@kittykitkat4968 2 жыл бұрын
We'll explained
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!!
@harukoharuhara8466
@harukoharuhara8466 5 жыл бұрын
Why do you keep adding water? It’s too wet.
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching the video! I do like to be careful with water. Can you suggest which stage in the video I can improve? The filming and talking was much longer than making a real pot would be, so maybe that's why? I'd love to watch a video you've made so I can learn.
@user-qw7xy3pj3p
@user-qw7xy3pj3p 5 жыл бұрын
6:30 Your bottom shows a certain kind of crack.
@madelinetoro5090
@madelinetoro5090 6 жыл бұрын
Any idea how to change rotation on a wheel? Im left handed.
@marcmancuso
@marcmancuso 6 жыл бұрын
Usually the wheels have two switches, one for power (on/off) and one for direction. Hopefully you have one that changes to the direction you'd prefer. But if your wheel doesn't reverse, don't be too bothered: I have hundreds of students who fine with counterclockwise, regardless of handedness. If your left hand is stronger, and the wheel is moving counterclockwise, it's very likely to end up on the inside of the growing form. Maybe you'll get bowls more easily than cylinders!
@harukosmith5518
@harukosmith5518 2 жыл бұрын
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@olgabeatrizbustamante7443
@olgabeatrizbustamante7443 11 ай бұрын
Oo O CALLADO
@matthewfarmer6830
@matthewfarmer6830 2 жыл бұрын
All man you should of finished the video, in the end the video just stop, you could of see how it comes out and you remove it off the wheel.
@That1Guy741
@That1Guy741 5 жыл бұрын
How can you have two pounds of me?
@structlightning
@structlightning 5 жыл бұрын
99% talk 1% throwing
@structlightning
@structlightning 5 жыл бұрын
Penny Ritzman when was i complaining?
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