Retro vs Modern - 1991 Africa Twin vs 2019 Africa Twin

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The world remembers old bikes fondly, sometimes so fondly it's questionable. Browse a comments section on any social platform and you'll find a handful of comments about 990 KTM's and Africa Twins being better. So we started a series called Retro vs Modern, to explore that exact idea.
Are the old bikes better? Are the new bikes too big and heavy or is the whole world wrong?
For our first episode we started with the most iconic of Japanese adventure machines, the Africa Twin. The first generation was so loved it sparked a huge run of sales of the new generation upon launch. The new CRF1000L sold like hot cakes however, a fair few people grumbled that it was the off-road conquering bike they wanted, "it wasn't true to the old bike".
The only way to see if that's true is to ride them, back to back and see how they fair. So we did and this is the end product.
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@Sixz89 4 жыл бұрын

The old bike still looks amazing :)

@Waranus36 Жыл бұрын

Because it is.

@davidandrew3481 Жыл бұрын

And it has less complications

@nazmiaizat9640 Жыл бұрын

aggre bro...but the new one comes with new technology...but the old is still owesome

@ausforce1 4 жыл бұрын

OMFG! Retro vs modern !! finally someone is making a real comparison of real bikes not just the latest products pumped out. So much potential for this series.

@Smart.Potato 4 жыл бұрын

Throttlesnap agreed!

@michaelwright4525 4 жыл бұрын

OMFG! How can you even make a comparison between the two? There's 30 years technology difference! I really hope the modern bikes outdo the original copy. In addition the 1991 is a 750. Listening to the guy, I felt a few times like saying "No shit sherlock!"

@goranmilutinovic2960 4 жыл бұрын

My old AT (1995) has crossed 340,000 km (210,000 ml) without any major breakdown and is still going and for the new AT we can just see ... great video

@ilikelampshades6 2 жыл бұрын

Impressive milage!

@Kaysersoza 2 жыл бұрын

Goran dont be ENVY. Probably you can't buy the new. That's all. If you could buy the new one, you throw your old in a garbage area.

@unsearch Жыл бұрын

god dayum you really are flying across the world with that beautiful bike

@fabricewattez Жыл бұрын

Impressive.

@jakaberdajs4378 Жыл бұрын

Whys everyone impressed by 300.000km?? I constantly see bikes for sale with anyhwere from 200.000-450.000km, a lot of them bikes like 1200GS's and Super Tenere1200's and those are like 5-10years old... Whats so impressive about 300.000km in 28 years??

@povlhalberg5361 4 жыл бұрын

I agree, the "older" bikes with less bells and whistles. I would like to see a Honda CRF650L based on the XR650R chassis, electric starter and EURO5 standards. As light as possible with room for light luggage.

@thealvaco 4 жыл бұрын

I'd buy one

@Andrew-sv3ck Жыл бұрын

Hell no, we need a revamped aluminum frame XR650L. Would make it a super competitive dual sport.

@valaudae1809 4 жыл бұрын

The 27 year old AT is still going strong, looks great with more ‘presence” and gets my vote. How will the new one perform in 27 years time?

@BrakeMagazine 4 жыл бұрын

What a question!

@JRXDRIVEscoaladesoferibn 4 жыл бұрын

Better then The New 1250 gs! :))

@hrbestalkinme3690 4 жыл бұрын

Brake Magazine Most of these newer ADV bikes will be in the trash with a litany of impossible electrical problems that require proprietary tools.

@pedroat750 4 жыл бұрын

That is also my question.

@rickc2222 4 жыл бұрын

Agreed, I remember drooling at that 1991 AT on the showroom floor back when i was in High school. Its still a sexy beast today. I test rode the new AT last year and was thoroughly disappointed. Felt disconnected from the road like the reviewer said. DCT is nice on long rides but also feels like something is lost. I think I'd consider buying the 90's version for some adventuring if the price was right....that or an XR650L with a rally fairing on it.....

@LARGO125 4 жыл бұрын

Host: Adv bikes are companies' flagship models Honda Goldwing: We need to talk...

@zepedrofd 2 жыл бұрын

First ever time I stepped into a motorcycle shop, I was 14 and it was to see a 1992 Africa Twin. I didn’t really know what adventure was and I knew nothing about motorcycles…but that bike was so appealing, it reeked something I was craving for without knowing it! Took me another 12 years to decide to get my licence and again 6 years to buy the Twin! People were telling me « it’s sluggish » « it doesn’t handle » « it’s slow ». It was putting me down from trying the legend I imagined. They were all wrong! I had so much fun with it! I’ve had more than 25 bikes, from supermoto to superbikes, even Varadero and a Harley. The old Africa Twin have been my most fun years of riding! I was the guy that they couldn’t shake off on a mountain road even with twice the power, the guy that couldn’t behave in line, jumping every obstacle. The guy that cut everyone off (of the group) at the petrol station by jumping through the bushes. Lend the bike to a friend so he could take a girlfriend for a ride…he scrapped the footpegs…the passenger footpegs!!!! The new bike is amazing! But it just doesn’t have that feel! Too much…

@grantholmes5661 4 жыл бұрын

I love how you mention the rawness of the old bikes. I have a new Africa Twin, and I love it, but i do think that the computer and the bike take over some of the riding, and it limits how much I feel, and how in control I feel. I also ride dirtbikes and other streetbikes. I will say there is something I love about the absolute control I feel when I ride more simple manual designs. As you stated, it makes you feel like you earned every corner, and the entire trail. The more the bike does for me, the less sure of myself I am when I push my limits. Just a note. Love the new bike though. Very fun.

@OgreMoto 4 жыл бұрын

Moto.Knight one of the things I love about my AT (I chose a manual version), is that you can turn ABS and TCS off so you have that feeling of raw control.

@990jimmer 4 жыл бұрын

XT600 tenere (1VJ or 3AJ) vs. Tenere 700.

@thealvaco 4 жыл бұрын

Good choice

@DoubleYouPee1 4 жыл бұрын

This! The old tenere is so much lighter than the old Africa twin. Really interested how it compares.

@PipeOPhile 4 жыл бұрын

Also 660 Tenere in there, maybe a group Tenere generations test? I want to see how much the 700 improves on 660 and no one has done it yet

@MotoSwagger 4 жыл бұрын

Agreed... 3 generations of Tenere would be a great video!

@firewolter 4 жыл бұрын

Those are not the same class of bikes imo. You should compare the new Tenere 700 with the old Xtz Super Tenere 750.

@alextrofimoff3399 4 жыл бұрын

Kudos for doing the comparisons that us old guys think of. But, is it really going to be a surprise that modern bikes are always going to be “better” - better, smoother engines; more power; better suspension; better adjustability; better brakes, better ….well pretty much everything. I think that what this test, and every single other comparo between an old bike and a new bike will reveal is: There’s something lost in the ‘better’. Call it ‘soul’; call it ‘cool’; call it ‘feel’; call it. . . whatever. When you insert a computer to take over a rider’s function, something is lost! There’s something about old tech that puts a smile on the rider’s face that new tech just can’t match, even if the old bike is slower, poorly suspended, etc. Old school has its benefits! I’ve got a lot more bikes than a person should be allowed to own. Old and new. For the life of me, I have no logical reason why I should own a ’80 XT500, when I have a GS850, KLR650 or DL1000, because those bikes are demonstrably ‘better’ in every measurable way. And yet, when I kick that XT into life, it puts a huge smile on my face - it’s a friggen hoot. Every one of your comparos is going to show the same thing. I’m subscribed with a big thumbs up!

@adrianalexandrov7730 4 жыл бұрын

New is not always better: 2005 D-tracker 250 vs d-tracker x. Sometimes attempts to comply new ecology standards just kills more or less fun machine.

@billallen4793 3 жыл бұрын

Those xt's were tractors!! That's a compliment...from Wyoming USA 🔫🤠🇺🇸p.s stay safe

@Ray-lf1eo 4 ай бұрын

I ride bikes to ride bikes not to ride computers. I can so that at home

@jorritheijn7681 4 жыл бұрын

Honda Transalp 600 vs 700 would be cool

@mohba01 4 жыл бұрын

seen some old transalp with well over 5,00,000 kms. no engine work done whatsoever. must be incredible bikes made to last i guess.

@SeanHollingsworth 4 жыл бұрын

The Transalp engine would be perfect if mated to a modern chassis and suspension.

@masquemta 4 жыл бұрын

@@SeanHollingsworth yep. All transalps lacked on that department. I think they could have made it so much more capable for OffRoad use, such a shame it never happened

@bananafarmer7224 4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely love my 650. It's so much fun off road. Way more capable than it should be. Only thing lacking is a bit of grunt, oh and a bit more ground clearance would be nice lol

@BeSatori 4 жыл бұрын

@@SeanHollingsworth And a lower center of gravity. My number one complaint of my '89, BUT I STILL LOVED IT!

@PetreRodan 4 жыл бұрын

in order for suspension comparisons to be drawn you must have fresh oil in the old bike's forks. that in itself is a huge factor in how the bike behaves in bumpy conditions. I love the idea behind this series, and can't wait for a 990 vs 1090 comparison.

@BrakeMagazine 4 жыл бұрын

We could go to that level, without doubt, but even on gloopy old suspension, you still have an idea over the bikes suspension :) A brand new bike is always going to behave better than a 30 year old one, even if it's been refreshed. :)

@LucasSousaS205 4 жыл бұрын

I’m a Brazilian guy who loves motorcycles. Thank you for the video.

@oskararenas9889 4 жыл бұрын

One of the most interesting reviews out there... Thank you, mates

@tjomasleal554 3 жыл бұрын

This was a great video! I really enjoyed this series and comparison. Thank you guys so much for making a quality series like this. I'm like addicted to KZfaq and adventure bike stuff now that I bought my first adventure bike.

@andybiker8647 4 жыл бұрын

Having owned both old and new models of the Africa twin what you don’t mention and is a big deal is ; the brakes on the old one are rubbish and the tank once full is really top heavy and noticeable, the new one doesn’t have these issues , and before anyone mentions it both bike I bought from new a 2000 model and a 2017 model. Just my honest opinion

@user-sw2lv3zp6o 4 жыл бұрын

I agree about the old one, as I had one for four years.

@BeSatori 4 жыл бұрын

I had a TransAlp, my biggest complaint was how top-heavy it was.

@willtaylor5739 4 жыл бұрын

1996 Suzuki DR650 vs 2019 Suzuki DR650, oh wait...

@codenamenoob4973 4 жыл бұрын

Very good 😂 FFS Suzuki need to update their bikes

@robertgOU812 4 жыл бұрын

My 2018 Dr has some upgrades that aren't there on the 2017 version...fuel filter near the helmet latch and tool kit.

@willtaylor5739 4 жыл бұрын

@@robertgOU812 we could definitely make a 12 minute video about that.

@aero5937 4 жыл бұрын

Suzuki cant update the DR because of modern day emissions. If she changes anything, the need to do a new emission test and it will fail. Same story with the KLR and XR

@wickedleeloopy2115 4 жыл бұрын

Worlds apart. Different headlight. LOL

@nedkelly4999 4 жыл бұрын

I miss my old Africa twin but I'm getting another one very soon😁

@gokulkrishm51 3 жыл бұрын

Did you get it? 😄

@Highairboarder Ай бұрын

Which one you get

@whatsstefon 4 жыл бұрын

So, basically the old bike is better apart from suspension. Which is really easy to fix.

@BrakeMagazine 4 жыл бұрын

I don't think so. If you make the suspension better you'll meet the limit of the chassis.

@whatsstefon 4 жыл бұрын

@@BrakeMagazine perhaps. But in saying that, once you begin modifying a bike, there's always something else that becomes the weakest link in the chain.

@enricopucci7413 4 жыл бұрын

@@BrakeMagazine *MODERN AFRICA TWIN (CRF1000 L2) ISN'T EVEN CAPABLE OF DOING OFF ROAD PROPERLY I SEE A LOT OF THIS NEW FANCY TOYS FAIL WHEN FALL OFF THE CARTER (FROM THE STATOR SIDE) ALWAYS BROKE IS A COMMON PROBLEM THANKS FOR NOTHING SKIDPLATE IF THAT'S THE BEST HONDA CAN GIVE TO THE PUBLIC IN THE DEALERSHIPS I WILL RECOMEND THE SUZUKI V-STROM 1000 OR THE CLASSIC FOR EXCELENCE THE BMW GS 850 ADVENTURE THAT BIKES REALLY WORTH IT AND IN SUZUKI CASE THE MAINTENANCE AND FIX COST ARE CHEAP VERY REALIBLE MACHINES*

@lorenzorusso5375 4 жыл бұрын

@@enricopucci7413 calm down bro

@xxtoxii9615 4 жыл бұрын

check out the dude that made africa into supermoto

@AleksiJoensuu 4 жыл бұрын

I dunno what the heck it is about old bikes but man I just smile so much more when I ride my old things.

@AleksiJoensuu 4 жыл бұрын

I think... It's that they are unique and personal. They are faulty and imperfect - and so are we. We can relate to them. We understand what it is to be imperfect, limited, but what it is to TRY. And they're old and people have forgotten them - but they aren't ready to be forgotten. They still want to GO. I think we can sympathise with that more than we can with perfection.

@davealston6816 4 жыл бұрын

Brutally honest .... no egos , both of you !! Brilliant report. So accurate. I had one and sold it quickly as i did not connect with it.

@BrakeMagazine 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback :) Glad you liked it!

@NoelWeldon1980 4 жыл бұрын

Ye I heard it's very bland for that money you'd want some excitement

@svendura1 4 жыл бұрын

Simply brillant! Thanks for the good work. I love this video.

@stephenswift4453 Жыл бұрын

The old bike is like an old friend! A few faults but "what the hell!"😁

@gapadry Жыл бұрын

I love my RD07! So many memories and feelings, so much freedom. It is really a war maschine. It had problems with reglor and fuel pump, but I can drive without a fuel pump, and regler... I cut the conectors and welded the wires together... works perfect. Only 60 HP but they all work and will not let me down. It hapened many times people wanted photos of the bike because she looks beautiful. The new AT still has to prove deserve the name. Thank you for this video

@pieterbritz4341 4 жыл бұрын

Enjoyed the comparison. I have the XRV750 RDO7. Great companion.

@lkrogsgaard 4 жыл бұрын

This is a good idea. I would really like to see the XTZ750 vs. Tenere 700. I have an old '91 Super Tenere, and i feels really old in some point. Just as you said here the suspension has gone a lot of way in 30 years, but i surprised me that you thought the older bike was lighter. The 1000 CRF has grown in size but still. The one main issue with my old Super Tenere, is that i really feel it to very heavy, with much of the weight in top. I recently drove a BMW F850GS, and it felt like 50 kgs lighter in the track, but they do weigh approx the same. I think the difference between the old S10 and the new T700, will be big.

@tomast9034 4 жыл бұрын

all old was generally lighter....golf class cars were 500kg lighter in general :D...well except bicycles :D

@adeyeminniss 4 жыл бұрын

love the content!! keep it coming head to head with modern adv bikes from multiple manufactures.

@caldeirone 4 жыл бұрын

THANK YOU SO MUCH GUYS!!! Amazing episode!! ❤️

@nickc-s3675 4 жыл бұрын

Great vid love the concept old vs new can’t wait for the next one.👍🏍👏

@BrakeMagazine 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@stanmetcalfe3817 4 жыл бұрын

Another really useful real world review, lots of points to ponder over from 1st class skilled riders , very interesting

@bogdanbaubau 4 жыл бұрын

Great video. Really like the concept.

@johannes9509 4 жыл бұрын

I have been watching Videos (Tests, Techtalks etc) on the new Honda for quite some time now. This is by far the best picture of it without actually sitting down on one of these and giving it a go! There are still a lot of classic Africa Twins on the market in Germany so there really is a decision to be made here. Thank you so much for making this Video. I will be thinking about you when I'm getting and riding mine.

@StocksFarm 4 жыл бұрын

Nice work guys, and a pair of nice bikes. I'd like to see a video comparing the old XR400R to the new CRF450L.

@North_Explorer 4 жыл бұрын

BMW R1150 GS Adventure vs R1250 GS Adventure ! From the Long way Round to The Long way for Coffee!! You guys make very good Videos ! Keep that coming ! Thank you!

@Blecek6443 4 жыл бұрын

Finally a great comparison. Good job guys!

@Arymjs 4 жыл бұрын

Fantastic comparison test ! Very professional honest and 100 % correct. Looking forward to more vids from you guys

@mainstreammoto4856 4 жыл бұрын

Nicely done! I personally find some tech annoying. When you mentioned how some of it made a disconnect from the bike so that you can't feel what its doing, I couldn't agree more! I don't ride a motorcycle because it's easy so I'm certainly not looking for a bike that makes riding effortless! Very good video! Great camera work too! Thank you!

@BrakeMagazine 4 жыл бұрын

Most of the disconnect with the AT is due to the chassis being disconnected from the ground but you're right. And thanks for the positive words.

@tiberiunovac7126 4 жыл бұрын

How about BMW750GS vs the famous 650GS Single, people are saying that things evolve but BMW was totally unable to fill the gap over the 650. People tend to forget that it was produced for almost 15 years in several variations and it is still one of the most maneuverable bikes that ever existed with fantastic geometry, great fuel autonomy and just sheer control and trust. The race for more powerful engines seems so useless when I get back to ride on my 2006 650GS single, just makes you think of travelling around the world...

@SeanHollingsworth 4 жыл бұрын

That Rotax engine built specifically for BMW is the best motorcycle engine that Rotax ever made, in my opinion. The ones that were mated up to the American ATK motorcycles were not as good, although they appeared identical.

@OmmerSyssel 4 жыл бұрын

Interesting. I tried the 650 first time presented. Unbelievable lame with no Torque, like driving a moped.. Preferred my long outdated Honda 750 from ~1973...

@THE_SNAPP 4 жыл бұрын

Greetings from Utah, USA. GREAT content. I have unsubscribed from several channels...have not added a new one until now. I like that it was shorter, and two the point. Great footage and production. And you didn't just ramble on like so many do, just to hear yourself speak. Beautiful country, too. Great job, gentlemen...I'm subscribed.

@BrakeMagazine 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the positive feedback, we really appreciate it! :)

@TheRamsberg 4 жыл бұрын

This is going to be a phenomenal series!

@thewoodster8607 4 жыл бұрын

Love this format guys. Can't wait for the next one. Where are you filming?

@BrakeMagazine 4 жыл бұрын

We live in South Wales, UK, so we film most of our stuff in that area. :)

@thewoodster8607 4 жыл бұрын

@@BrakeMagazine cheers! Thought so.

@MichaelFitzpatrick17 4 жыл бұрын

So what you're saying is, get a Tenere 700 for the simplicity and light weight of the old bike, but the sophisticated suspension of the new bike. Got it 😁👍

@BrakeMagazine 4 жыл бұрын

😂😂yes...

@v4forlife 4 жыл бұрын

Good thing I got one. 😂😂😂

@gasdive 4 жыл бұрын

I heard get a KTM 790 for the rawness, feedback and true off road ability of the old Honda, but with suspension that shames the new Honda.

@jezwc 4 жыл бұрын

Or CRF1000L non dct

@iToddi 4 жыл бұрын

I am really glad you made this vid!

@tarandusmt8089 4 жыл бұрын

Great idea for a series! I'm interested in BMW comparisons for the GS style bikes

@juliendidisheim5630 4 жыл бұрын

Superb images and editing

@BrakeMagazine 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@thorstenwanoth6774 4 жыл бұрын

So while 30 years apart - they both stand together and shine in different ways. That's cool with me. Currently stuck on a 1994 RD07. XR400R ride through Inanda Valley today was great.

@buzz10014 4 жыл бұрын

i think you chose the best possible comparison right out of the gate. would love to see more

@1LTNOE 4 жыл бұрын

Triumph Tiger 955i vs Tiger 1200 BMW R1150 GS vs R1250GS Cagiva Elephant 900 vs Ducati Multistrada Suzuki DL650 2005 vs DL650XT 2019

@gretchensghost 4 жыл бұрын

1100GS surely? Not that I had a couple and loved them. They were heavier than the 1150, It might be more of a step to the new bike than than the 1150.

@kravchan 4 жыл бұрын

@@gretchensghost, 1100 is more robust, reliable ABS and gearbox.

@CindyBallreich 4 жыл бұрын

Gen 1 v-strom 650 vs the current version

@BrakeMagazine 4 жыл бұрын

It's the nearly the same bike :P

@cadaunoensumoto 4 жыл бұрын

Excelent video, we have been a lot for a review like this. Thanks

@roofaloof 4 жыл бұрын

Really interesting video! I started riding about 5 years ago. In that time most of my miles have been on a 1985 Honda CB450SC I rebuilt. As I shop for a new bike, I often wonder about the virtues of old vs. new bikes. Can't wait to see the next one!

@FanOWater 4 жыл бұрын

Really enjoyed it! How about the KTM 790R versus the 950. Cheers

@Cafeducati 4 жыл бұрын

FanOWater AGREED

@sickunit2096 4 жыл бұрын

FanOWater yes! I own a 950 and would love to see that comparison!

@Braapncamp 4 жыл бұрын

Really liked this! So let's do it with KTM's as well. Throw in the 990 with the two, i think.

@D001lz 4 жыл бұрын

Great idea!

@n.v.b.3616 4 жыл бұрын

I think the 950 is better 😁 (I own one) but still curious about the comparison!

@MaraDaCoriovallum 4 жыл бұрын

I drive the 1999 model and I'm still happy with it....yes of course, the new model is amazing but I don't really need it....

@MaraDaCoriovallum 4 жыл бұрын

@000000 the RD07 is a perfect bike....I think the new one too....but for me it's not nessassary to get the new one.... All Africa Twins are great....it doesn't matter with one U get....

@MaraDaCoriovallum 4 жыл бұрын

@000000 Yeah you're maybe right but I get this bike to don't use the highway.... highways are so boring....

@MaraDaCoriovallum 4 жыл бұрын

@000000 okay.... but 60 horses are enough for that to me.... with the RD07 u can hold very easy a average speed of 130 km/h with luggage and all.... ..... the new model is maybe quite better in every way but I'm now 50 years old and I better spend my money for my Volvo Laplander C303.... 😎

@shammons556 4 жыл бұрын

I really enjoyed this video. I have been drooling over the Africa Twin AS DCT and it’s neat to see the heritage of the bike.

@BrakeMagazine 4 жыл бұрын

Glad you like it!

@thanoskills7178 4 жыл бұрын

Great bikes .. Very good review .. you guys got great potential .. subbed .. keep'em videos coming ..

@bartderijck172 4 жыл бұрын

I have both the old and new and this is a spot on review 👌

@BrakeMagazine 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Bart!

@NzJohny 4 жыл бұрын

1996 dr650 vs 2019 dr650. Just joking 😂

@beborodner930 11 ай бұрын

Great Vid!! Love these two beauty's

@ThaKenMan 4 жыл бұрын

Loved this, keep them coming

@jackdaniels4888 4 жыл бұрын

Great review and idea . Love to see KTM 790R against KTM 950SE as same HP and weight and 12 years apart

@BrakeMagazine 4 жыл бұрын

Not the same weight, but that's what we're working on. The KTM 950 is about 20kg's heavier :)

@jackdaniels4888 4 жыл бұрын

@@BrakeMagazine 950se is 190 kg in my owners manual. I'm not talking about 950 adventure

@jackdaniels4888 4 жыл бұрын

950se has more suspension travel and ground clearance than the 790r and a much higher seat. hight. A smaller fuel tank. Of 14lts. The 790r seems to be the modern version of it!

@2WheelsSometimes1 4 жыл бұрын

71-75 H2 Vs. new H2 98 R1 vs 2019 R1 75 Goldwing vs. 2019 Goldwing If you folks can manage it... 99 MV Agusta F4 vs. 2018 MV Agusta F4 Looking forward to this series! Thanks for the great content.

@IdealBike 4 жыл бұрын

Very nice ideea you had by making this comparison! It was a very usefull video to make a better picture about how time and technology evolved. You should definitely continue with this sort of comparisons.

@5ebra1 3 жыл бұрын

Fantastic idea. So many new vs old that would be really interesting. Loved this video.

@flacoadventures1147 4 жыл бұрын

R80 G/S - R100GS and new R1200GS

@1996Takis1996 4 жыл бұрын

Oh I have a treat for you. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bbecac6b15e0l6c.html

@timselbie3419 4 жыл бұрын

Great to see the old africa twin. I used to do a lot of trails on my xt350 yamaha which I thought perfect for the job.Not quite sure what you would compare it with today.

@thealvaco 4 жыл бұрын

Wr250r

@kirilcavdarov965 4 жыл бұрын

Had one too. Would buy again if they still made it.

@56cote 4 жыл бұрын

I still ride one,underrated bike for what it is.

@billallen4793 3 жыл бұрын

My buddy had a xr350 that I thought was the perfect bike for town and trail...I was riding my cr125 and an old Mt250 at the time...from Wyoming USA 🔫🤠🇺🇸p.s stay safe

@billallen4793 3 жыл бұрын

I've only seen 1 xt350 locally and never had the opportunity to ride one.. had a xt200 with a bb once...from Wyoming USA 🔫🤠🇺🇸p.s stay safe

@donnyo65 2 жыл бұрын

I had an old Africa Twin years ago and loved it. Great to see your comparison with the new one and good to see it didn't disgrace itself. I have a GSA and would love to see a comparison with the older models.

@hanszimmer4679 4 жыл бұрын

Oh good lord - so great to see my old bike again. I´ve had the one that followed the modell you show here and i LOVED it (the seat really was crap for longer tours, though). I now ride the Kawasaki Versys 1000 and i LOVE it, too but i often think back to the days i had my XRV 750. Thank you so much for this trip down memory lane :o) / subscribed!

@8fot 4 жыл бұрын

An old bike is not retro, it's vintage. Just saying.

@trombonemert 4 жыл бұрын

@000000 same here bro, cheers.

@gregpearce 4 жыл бұрын

1st Gen Suzuki Vstrom 1000 vs. 2019 Vstrom 1000

@JohannesFleck 4 жыл бұрын

Totally yes please

@JohnFrahm0676 4 жыл бұрын

Upvote

@gasdive 4 жыл бұрын

Is there any difference?

@andrewshore262 4 жыл бұрын

gasdive A vast difference

@bladerunner7551 4 жыл бұрын

please do it

@johanpretorius5614 4 жыл бұрын

Nice review... great job!

@tiagomendes8376 4 жыл бұрын

Great review... keep the good work!

@josee8224 4 жыл бұрын

I prefer the old one...

@jdmcarandmotorcycle4241 Ай бұрын

Me too

@jdmcarandmotorcycle4241 Ай бұрын

😊😊😊me too

@DCCLourens 4 жыл бұрын

Super Tenere 750 vs Super Tenere 1200.

@Kyryt2002 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for video, had fun

@belanagy5595 3 жыл бұрын

WOW - just found this video, but what a high qualitiy it has! Good comments about the bikes, amazing photography, good editing - I really enjoyed watching this, also was interesting to see the comparison on the two bikes.

@BrakeMagazine 3 жыл бұрын

Much appreciated!

@Lexie_nl 4 жыл бұрын

Why not the manual twin against the old one? This is not a good comparison. Anyway, that's how I think.

@jacobcurtis6849 4 жыл бұрын

Same thoughts, the DCT gets unfair advantages in some places and disadvantages in others.

@philippday9195 4 жыл бұрын

I was just thinking this... STOP testing the DCT !!! please!!! it's the only thing every tester complains about. It's a fine option but takes time to learn/master... so don't test or compare with it. seems obvious

@BrakeMagazine 4 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure we didn't complain about the DCT, actually the opposite 😏 However, that's probably because that's the version Honda want to push. All our test bikes and manufacturer press fleet machines and that's the one Honda let us use. :) We'd have preffered not have DCT but in reality that's what Honda think is their best bike and for the end result of this test it didn't make a huge difference.

@Lexie_nl 4 жыл бұрын

@@BrakeMagazine , It's just a big difference between DCT and manual. You can't ignore that, in my eyes it's not a good comparison. Can't make anything else out of it. Success with testing in the future remains fun to watch👍

@steeltube195 4 жыл бұрын

I think if you´re going to do a "old vs new" you should get the most primitive and mechanical bike and put it against the more modern bike, that is the DCT. In all reviews, all testers like the DCT. I don´t know how that is possible, and probably, since I have a manual AT, I never will... but I don´t loose sleep over that anyway...

@RawTopShot 4 жыл бұрын

Hoping to see Honda CB500f(94-02) versus the newer less powerful CB500f.( -CB500x's- ) Same bike name but totally different motor etc.

@neilwiddison6529 4 жыл бұрын

I have a cb500s 2000 model great bike 480000 miles and runs great.

@marthinusvorster 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent idea, well done! Really excited about this series. Just go down the list I'll watch them all. I always compared my 500 XL to a Motorola flip-open cell phone and my latest CB 500 X to a smartphone. I prefer to stay more connected, however, distance and fatigue is top of mind for this el fella.

@girlinagale 2 жыл бұрын

Always remember a frenchman gunning along the beach in Dakar, Senegal. 2004. Saw the new one at the Honda dealer this year, the cockpit is huge, like a space shuttle. Happy to have bought a little crf300L.

@BrakeMagazine 2 жыл бұрын

Love the 300L. The XR of our generation

@Vracktal 4 жыл бұрын

Classic Vespa PX two stroke vs the modern twist and go four-stroke Vespa 125. CITY BATTLE

@qhalifqhalifah6182 4 жыл бұрын

Suzuki Katana GSX1100S vs Suzuki Katana 2019/2020

@radu10101992 4 жыл бұрын

One of the best bike related videos that I have seen. Cheers guys!

@BrakeMagazine 4 жыл бұрын

You're welcome!

@MrKronen75 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent as always

@RawTopShot 4 жыл бұрын

Thinking about it... Would it be possible to compare old and new RALLYRAID kitted offerings of the CB500? (seeing as you're more off-road dualsport orientated) Just trying to think of an accessible all-round midweight and mid cc'd bike that can cope well with everyday 50 mile commuting but also be fun and capable on the days you want some green lane and offroad exploring. 😁

@BrakeMagazine 4 жыл бұрын

Probably not but we'll ask the question of Rally Raid.

@Cafeducati 4 жыл бұрын

KTM 990 vs 1090/1190/790 PLEASE

@dankfrenkvisser5977 4 жыл бұрын

Would make more sense to take the original 640adventure than. And compare that to the newest 790

@Cafeducati 4 жыл бұрын

Dank Frenk Visser I can see that solid logic. KTM 640 vs 790. KTM 990/950 vs 1x90. I personally drink that sweet, nutritious orange 990 koolaid as she was, like the 640, based on a racing legend for dominating the Dakar Rally. 990 comparison first,... then 640. LOL 😉

@timplympton4653 4 жыл бұрын

Great video. From a 2017 AT owner I can tell you the new bike is brilliant and highly capable off road, I've taken on some gnarly single track and it's fantastic also when you get to the pavement it's an absolute dream! Love the comparison and love the Africa Twin...... Maybe someday I'll get my hands on an old one

@OllieMoto 4 жыл бұрын

Great video. I get all nostalgic when I see the old Africa Twins because that was the first bike that I ever sat pillion on as a child, and instantly fell in love with it when I got airborne off it over a humpback bridge. Really loving the look and reviews of the new bike, and especially keen to try a DCT. Perhaps for your next video get that new T7 against one of the old 80’s Ténérés?

@bolotiger 4 жыл бұрын

i like to see the Yamaha xtz 660 tenere 1992-1998 Vs the 2019 T7

@caramelzappa 4 жыл бұрын

Not exaclty retro but check out the difference between a zero xu or another early model and the current fx

@BrakeMagazine 4 жыл бұрын

That's a whole different idea, especially with the Long Way Up Announcement!

@jmc6659 4 жыл бұрын

Outstanding video I’m hitting the subscribe button 👍

@Bunnunoox 4 жыл бұрын

Loved this one. I want to see the BMW ver. the most, but all sound really interesting. Keep making them and I'll keep watching.

@BrakeMagazine 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! :D

@JohannesFleck 4 жыл бұрын

D Suzuki vstrom old vs new please

@mctourer5549 4 жыл бұрын

I have a 2004 DL1000 and love it. My friend just bought a 2018 1000 and he love that one too. The new one is a bit lighter but they replaced some of the metal with plastic. The new one does not have the room for tool kit and such under the seat like the Gen1 does. Then it comes down to how much you want the antilock breaks and the electronics. But I agree I would like to see these guys do a comparison vid as well.

@JohannesFleck 4 жыл бұрын

@@mctourer5549 Nice summary thanks. I've got the 2007 DL 650 and love it! only thing that annoys me is the parking lights that come on a tiny click more to the left of the steering lock. Happened to me TWICE that when locking key slipped tiny bit to the left (lights on) and left me with an empty (=broken) battery.:-o

@paultheboxer 4 жыл бұрын

Bmw r1100gs vs 1250,1200

@WeeFreeMan78 4 жыл бұрын

That was a wonderful video guyss, thank you! And oh I got I s...load of suggestions for you... Would be great to see you do the same with the Tenere, Transalp, VFR, CBR, BMW GS and on and on and on

@jonathandavies6862 4 жыл бұрын

If money was no object id have an old Africa twin. I love it. Maybe one day. Great review and discussion guys. Keep these comparisons up!!

@ronanrogers4127 4 жыл бұрын

BTW a better comparison would have been between the non-DCT and the old Africa Twin, that way you could have focused on the key areas of difference that apply not only to these two bikes, but to pretty much all of today’s bikes, and to 30 yr old bikes. The DCT only appears on one model and is outsold by regular transmission anyway.

@elvisknievil4883 4 жыл бұрын

Try the tdm 850 against anything. I have . you will be surprised.

@aeror115 4 жыл бұрын

Cool Video Thanks for uploading 🤙

@BrakeMagazine 4 жыл бұрын

You're welcome!

@apexadventures7609 4 жыл бұрын

I'm just in the process of getting a new bike and I'm BMW through and through, but the old Africa Twin is looking really appealing at the moment so thanks for a really well made and interesting video, cheers boys, you have anew subscriber.