Bramblestar is Worse

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Moonkitti

Moonkitti

Күн бұрын

Is this video an hour long? Yes. I'm sorry.
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@koolkeldeo1056
@koolkeldeo1056 3 жыл бұрын
Timestamps: Section One | Introduction 0:01 Section Two | In "The New Prophecy" 4:50 Section Three | In "Leafpool's Wish" 14:31 Section Four | In "Power of Three" 16:38 Section Five | In "Omen of the Stars" 18:14 Section Six | In "Bramblestar's Storm" 24:18 Section Seven | In "A Vision of Shadows" 31:49 Section Eight | In "Squirrelflight's Hope" 32:34 Section Nine | Conclusion 1:00:38
@xxratsrcutexx3494
@xxratsrcutexx3494 3 жыл бұрын
Thank
@rp-ov6br
@rp-ov6br 3 жыл бұрын
Thank
@yourpersonaljuicebox977
@yourpersonaljuicebox977 3 жыл бұрын
Thank
@SunFeathers
@SunFeathers 3 жыл бұрын
Thx so much you deserve the pin
@tamsinwalsh8796
@tamsinwalsh8796 3 жыл бұрын
Ocelot 26:13 and 1:04:17
@rowanfeather2804
@rowanfeather2804 3 жыл бұрын
I’m pretty sure the erins just wanted Tigerstars son and firestars daughter to get together, honestly.
@Cloud_peepon
@Cloud_peepon 3 жыл бұрын
They wanted a different type of forbidden love, between good and evil this time. 😂
@rickmanalwayss
@rickmanalwayss 3 жыл бұрын
Like Kovu and Kiara, except that relationship was more healthy
@GarbageCannot
@GarbageCannot 3 жыл бұрын
@@Mreowr1234 Mothpool would’ve been so much better if they wanted to do Firestar’s kid x Tigerstar’s kid! They actually have a healthy relationship with realistically developed chemistry.
@cursedalien
@cursedalien 3 жыл бұрын
So..... indirect FireTiger.
@catboy_exorcist1906
@catboy_exorcist1906 3 жыл бұрын
i know, like tawnypelt is RIGHT there
@virginasol3031
@virginasol3031 3 жыл бұрын
*I’s so weird seeing Ashfur without blond hair*
@sillygoose7076
@sillygoose7076 3 жыл бұрын
WHERE ARE HIS LUCIOUS LOCKS-
@eater_of_grass_beater_of_ass
@eater_of_grass_beater_of_ass 3 жыл бұрын
It's a stunt double
@dawnflame9642
@dawnflame9642 3 жыл бұрын
He’s a bald boi
@kaleaandsunny7819
@kaleaandsunny7819 3 жыл бұрын
We now see blonde haired Ashfur as canon XD
@-zawolf-8325
@-zawolf-8325 3 жыл бұрын
@@kaleaandsunny7819 yeah XD
@natalieeuley1734
@natalieeuley1734 3 жыл бұрын
Squirrelflight is the poster child for domestic abuse. As a kit and apprentice, she was energetic, adventurous, bold, enthusiastic, and independent. By the end of Squirrelflight's Hope, she is none of those things. It's like Bramblestar sucked the life out of her
@amberhawksong
@amberhawksong 2 жыл бұрын
Well said
@eve7638
@eve7638 2 жыл бұрын
Sad...
@turtlespeedrunner
@turtlespeedrunner 2 жыл бұрын
Poor Squirrelflight :(
@Lilybelle-vr3ho
@Lilybelle-vr3ho 2 жыл бұрын
Why did Erin Hunter Team have to ruin all potential Bramblestar had? They made it sound like he would be a good cat and then he wasn't! I don't like it! >n
@leona067
@leona067 2 жыл бұрын
@@Lilybelle-vr3ho One of the authors even mentioned how Bramblestar was one of their favorite characters
@amyd4227
@amyd4227 3 жыл бұрын
Why did they make ashfur kittypet xenophobic,,,, when cloudtail,,,, a literal kittypet,,,,,, was raised along side him as his littermate????? That makes literally no sense wtf
@seineevee
@seineevee 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly the Erins just wanted to make their golden child Bramblebitch look like a savior in comparison to Ashfur
@bbp975
@bbp975 2 жыл бұрын
@@seineevee BRAMBLEBITCH LMAO, YES
@Weirdanimalboy
@Weirdanimalboy 2 жыл бұрын
@@seineevee The Erins: **write Ashfur to not like kittypets to show he is not a good guy** **write Brambleclaw as the hero even though he went to karate class in hell with Cat Hitler as his Sensei**
@nyxianee
@nyxianee 2 жыл бұрын
@@Weirdanimalboy OH MY GOD CAT HITLER AHAHAHA
@dopeanddiamondsqueen
@dopeanddiamondsqueen 2 жыл бұрын
@@seineevee FACTS!!!!!!
@ReficulQwertz
@ReficulQwertz 3 жыл бұрын
Bramblestar is the worse: the documentary
@professionalocchiolist4104
@professionalocchiolist4104 3 жыл бұрын
Squirrelflight: don't murder pregnant women Bramblestar: no Fandom: squilf is so manipulative and bad!!!! :(
@professionalocchiolist4104
@professionalocchiolist4104 3 жыл бұрын
@@solsticesailor uhh i think you misread my comment
@hikari3553
@hikari3553 3 жыл бұрын
@@solsticesailor Whoosh
@adamyusuf1805
@adamyusuf1805 3 жыл бұрын
@@solsticesailor since when was Squilf a guy?! Let alone abusive!
@solsticesailor
@solsticesailor 3 жыл бұрын
@@adamyusuf1805 I misread the comment,
@adamyusuf1805
@adamyusuf1805 3 жыл бұрын
@@solsticesailor oh
@LunamFlore
@LunamFlore 3 жыл бұрын
"I skipped the bit where she went on trial for her crimes in life. You're welcome." I got curious and looked it up and okay, no, nope, we gotta talk about that bullsh*t "The two wake up in StarClan's territory and are greeted by Larksong, who tells them that they aren't quite dead yet, but their lives are hanging in the balance. Firestar comes along and warns them that they may not be allowed to stay in StarClan due to their deception about Leafpool's kits all those years ago. A trial is held, with Bluestar, Yellowfang, Tallstar, Crookedstar, Moth Flight, and Littlecloud as the judges: Squirrelflight and Leafpool have to explain their reasoning behind breaking the warrior code. Ultimately they decide that Squirrelflight and Leafpool have done more good than harm, and that if they die now, they'll be welcome in StarClan." StarClan actually puts Squirrelflight and Leafpool on trial for something THEY played a part in? For real?!! StarClan was the one who told Leafpool to follow her heart when she asked for guidance on whether she should run away with Crowfeather. They were the ones who gently informed her that she was pregnant, only to LIE to Squirrelflight and tell her that she was barren so that she'd be more inclined to claim Leafpool's kits and they're feckin' PUT ON TRIAL FOR ALL THIS?? F*ck off, for real, I'm so pissed about this. ASHFUR GETS TO GO TO HEAVEN AFTER NEARLY MURDERING AN ENTIRE FAMILY BUT SQUIRRELFLIGHT AND LEAFPOOL'S TICKETS TO HEAVEN HAVE TO BE DEBATED. OKAY THEN. OKAY.
@almaszericebean1401
@almaszericebean1401 3 жыл бұрын
Leafpool deserved better
@RocketTheRat
@RocketTheRat 3 жыл бұрын
Starclan is full of hypocrites smh
@Felisidae
@Felisidae 2 жыл бұрын
StarClan doesn't deserve the amount of power they hold. They cause WAY more harm than good.
@LunamFlore
@LunamFlore 2 жыл бұрын
@@Felisidae My heart wants an uprising against StarClan but my mind suspects that HarperCollins will never have the guts v_v
@Felisidae
@Felisidae 2 жыл бұрын
@@LunamFlore I want there to be a HUGE plot twist where starclan is actually being controlled by one cat to do all these horrible things. Cause some of the things they do make no sense, unless there was actually an evil cat behind it all.
@acinomthecat
@acinomthecat 3 жыл бұрын
When Bramblestar compares Squirrelflight to a kit or apprentice, this reminded me of an abuse tactic where the abuser treats their victim as a child so they can only depend on them and their judgement.
@alexanderthorne5366
@alexanderthorne5366 2 жыл бұрын
Infantilizing
@Wren_BurnsHam
@Wren_BurnsHam 7 ай бұрын
@@nicki8813*wat*
@StarrChild.
@StarrChild. 3 жыл бұрын
Never noticed this before but Squirrelflight being so desperate for kits could possibly be linked to how she was told she would be barren? She worries about getting older and not being able to have kits, which was a lie she had been forced to accept as truth for years. She fears going back to that, or that lie becoming true with age.
@susiepilled
@susiepilled 3 жыл бұрын
woah "woah" got me 66 likes what
@C_at_J
@C_at_J 3 жыл бұрын
I also found it to be her trying to fix their relationship. When couples are fighting and they don't know how or can't talk it out, they can try to get pregnant to try and fix the problem, even though it often ends in a larger divide than the original one.
@xRaiofSunshine
@xRaiofSunshine 3 жыл бұрын
@@susiepilled YES! Their own cat gods LIED TO HER just so they could get what they want! But somehow she’s just as bad as Bramblebutt or Finleap? 😒
@susiepilled
@susiepilled 3 жыл бұрын
@@xRaiofSunshine >:(
@Cephaloporridge
@Cephaloporridge 3 жыл бұрын
another thing: in leafpool's wish, yellowfang tells her shes never going to be able to have kits (which was a lie but she didn't know that at the time making her lean more towards actually adopting the three) so that's a pretty big factor
@thesnailphilosopher
@thesnailphilosopher 3 жыл бұрын
Bramblestar to Jessy: I’ll never forget you Jessy: *is never mentioned again*
@Clooover
@Clooover 3 жыл бұрын
Also Squilf and Shrewpaw were best friends but like- she never even thought of him after he died-?
@Weirdanimalboy
@Weirdanimalboy 3 жыл бұрын
I had no idea that Jessy was supposed to be a romantic interest for Bramblestar so at the end of the book I was like "Where is this coming from...?"
@ghost-hn2lh
@ghost-hn2lh 3 жыл бұрын
one of the worst parts of bramblestar being abusive, in my opinion, is that they could have DONE something with him. they could have made him be a great character. and it would mean something because he was tigerstar’s son. i would have loved a book about bramblestar proving his worth, proving that he could be more than just the son of an evil cat, but he never really did
@JlMMOTHY
@JlMMOTHY 3 жыл бұрын
Bramblestar is horrible, but it's either that or bad writing. He has so much wasted potential
@ghost-hn2lh
@ghost-hn2lh 3 жыл бұрын
@@JlMMOTHY i do agree that branblestar is horrible and i really wish they did something good with him
@Bilbz1
@Bilbz1 2 жыл бұрын
I mean................. Didn't the new prophecy do that?
@TheRibottoStudios
@TheRibottoStudios 2 жыл бұрын
@@Bilbz1 tried and failed cause bramblepaw did stand up to his father in tpb
@Lilybelle-vr3ho
@Lilybelle-vr3ho 2 жыл бұрын
I agree! TnT I loved the idea of his potential soo much but then they just made him so BAD! I cry
@styx7503
@styx7503 2 жыл бұрын
The way people place blame on Squirrelflight because she stands her ground and doesn't back down when she knows what she's doing is right reminds me of the concept of the "perfect victim". The idea that, to be a "real" victim of abuse, you have to be completely perfect and innocent and never fight back. Otherwise, any bad behavior you show (no matter how justified) will be treated as justification for your abuse. This is how the fandom treats Squirrelflight. She's clearly in an abusive relationship, and both the cycle of abuse and her thought processes clearly show that. But because she argues with Bramblestar when he's being unfair instead of silently submitting, she's not the "perfect victim". Because she doesn't fit into the innocent and submissive box people have for abuse victims, they decide she doesn't count for being "bossy" (i.e. standing up to abuse), or "entitled" (i.e. having wants), or any other argument meant to paint her as "just as bad". Which is exactly what Bramblestar does! Even when she ALMOST DIED, he shifts the blame and says that they're BOTH at fault. What the "perfect victim" concept does, at the end of the day, is reinforce the manipulation abuse victims have to go through at the hands of their abuser. I like how you phrased it at the end: Even if Squirrelflight was bossy, or entitled, or whatever, that doesn't suddenly strip her of her experiences as an abuse victim. And for anyone reading this who can relate to this video, the same is true for you. You and your experiences are still just as legitimate and deserving of support, even if you weren't the "perfect victim".
@HarvestPeiskos2209
@HarvestPeiskos2209 3 жыл бұрын
Moonkitti: ranting Ocelot: *Chirp*
@Darkmoon67
@Darkmoon67 3 жыл бұрын
c h i r p
@lesliewolfe7643
@lesliewolfe7643 3 жыл бұрын
c h i r p
@batkittii
@batkittii 3 жыл бұрын
c h i r p
@thebunnygamer9838
@thebunnygamer9838 3 жыл бұрын
c h i r p
@theotherghostgirl337
@theotherghostgirl337 3 жыл бұрын
Ocelot: I too must rant
@ThatOneKaiPerson
@ThatOneKaiPerson 3 жыл бұрын
Someone: Wait bramblestar was manipulative? Moonkitti: "gun loading sounds" Always has been.
@Owenbot3000
@Owenbot3000 3 жыл бұрын
Signs of a moonkitti attack Sign 1 Moonkitti posts video about how bad you are Sign 2 The video is a hour long Sign 3 Moonkittis making valid points Sign 4 Hearing a gun load
@spacedoge4363
@spacedoge4363 3 жыл бұрын
@@Owenbot3000 LOL
@frzen-rain6433
@frzen-rain6433 3 жыл бұрын
lol
@ChonkyCats
@ChonkyCats 2 жыл бұрын
She even had her actual cat in the background meowing his agreement of what she said
@CupRamenZ
@CupRamenZ 2 ай бұрын
@@ChonkyCats The fact that your name is ChonkyCats makes this comment even funnier 😂
@SheetGhostWithBones
@SheetGhostWithBones 2 жыл бұрын
Something that bothers me is that Squirrelflight kinda CAN'T leave Bramblestar. They're in the same Clan, they're always going to be around each other. She literally can't escape and I can't even begin to imagine how damn awful that must feel. And Squirrelflight isn't the type of cat to just runaway to a different Clan or vecome a kittypet, there is no escape for her.
@jittercritter
@jittercritter 2 жыл бұрын
Finally someone else says this! Even if she broke up or rejected him, she’s have to deal with his anger over that every single day, not to mention when they started being romantic he was her deputy, and now he’s her leader and she’s his deputy. He’s ALWAYS in a position of power above her. He also threatens to remove her from her position as deputy when she disagrees with him. Imagine what he’d do if she left him. Yikes
@SheetGhostWithBones
@SheetGhostWithBones 2 жыл бұрын
@@jittercritter Honestly, that stuff makes my insides churn with anxiety for her.
@cheramiawish9980
@cheramiawish9980 Жыл бұрын
She wanted to be with him. There is some points in the book that they show true mateship and happiness to each other. Like when they escaped the dark forest after being taken over by ashfur, everyone focuses on the bad points when they don’t know there is other stuff off book, if she hated or was scared of him she wouldn’t try to get back with him and miss him when they were broken up.
@vamppooni
@vamppooni Жыл бұрын
@@cheramiawish9980 do you know how abusive relationships work?
@efrenamy
@efrenamy Жыл бұрын
I agree.
@tinyalie1
@tinyalie1 3 жыл бұрын
Im really alarmed at the relationships in the warrior cats series, either the authors purposely wrote abusive relationships OR they genuinely think those relationships are normal
@violetskiy854
@violetskiy854 3 жыл бұрын
BramblexSquirrilflight is one of the erin's favorite ship
@Romanticoutlaw
@Romanticoutlaw 2 жыл бұрын
stares at spottedleaf..........................................
@tinyalie1
@tinyalie1 2 жыл бұрын
@@Romanticoutlaw firepaw was too young for spottedleaf
@Romanticoutlaw
@Romanticoutlaw 2 жыл бұрын
@@tinyalie1 oh yes absolutely, I didn't mean that to hold her up as an example of a good relationship but I can see how it read like that. What I meant was me awkwardly looking at how horrible an example of a relationship she had in her solo arc. That whole situation was... yikes
@tinyalie1
@tinyalie1 2 жыл бұрын
@@Romanticoutlaw no im agreeing i cant believe they had that string of relationships, thistleclaw pedophile then spottedleaf does the same to firepaw but oh its ok because shes sweet, never mind that shes a dead medicine cat, THEN her ghost gets between firestar and sandstorm just YIIIIKKKESS THEY PORTRAYED IT AS ROMANTIC
@Helicidae
@Helicidae 3 жыл бұрын
Bramblestar would probably find "I hate my wife" boomer comics funny
@stellabonet-downie1002
@stellabonet-downie1002 3 жыл бұрын
This is a warning sign that Squirrelflight is in a bad relationship
@piffny6666
@piffny6666 3 жыл бұрын
Were have I heard that before🤔🤔
@TipOfTheSauce
@TipOfTheSauce 3 жыл бұрын
was waiting for that one
@Eyrinthefae04
@Eyrinthefae04 3 жыл бұрын
I was looking for this comment
@axelf9947
@axelf9947 3 жыл бұрын
_Like father like son_
@ohoh8454
@ohoh8454 3 жыл бұрын
@@axelf9947 Damn I was about to say that
@manssman1
@manssman1 3 жыл бұрын
Remember when the whole point of brambles character was to prove to firestar that he shouldn’t judge others on their bloodline/looks? As in, firestar got over being scared of him just because he was related to and looked like Tigerstar. Well the hunters threw away his “good character type” for this.
@startheangel9760
@startheangel9760 3 жыл бұрын
For some reason the Erins started treating she-cats like trash
@manssman1
@manssman1 3 жыл бұрын
@@startheangel9760 eeyup. They are borderline becoming J.K Rowling at this point
@gouldiloof
@gouldiloof 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah.. Firestar(heart) was right being sus of him..
@almaszericebean1401
@almaszericebean1401 3 жыл бұрын
@@honeybumblebee9274 especially since he ended abusing firestars own daughter
@moosefromsky4662
@moosefromsky4662 2 жыл бұрын
@@gouldiloof Not really, since Bramble was still a baby to child when he was suspicious of him. No child should be judged for the sins of the father.
@RLane-xz5cj
@RLane-xz5cj 2 жыл бұрын
"Blood runs deeper than anything" is a weird connection to make right after deciding you want to be a good dad to your adopted kits 🤔
@phantomstarsx9343
@phantomstarsx9343 2 жыл бұрын
at this point it wouldnt surprise me if the Erin's forgot they werent his (or her) biological kits.
@brigade7678
@brigade7678 Жыл бұрын
Right!? so nonsensical 😑
@axe5745
@axe5745 3 жыл бұрын
I genuinely felt sick when she said "Why did I ever want kits?" after she came back.
@skyshale
@skyshale 3 жыл бұрын
same, same
@phantomcat7990
@phantomcat7990 3 жыл бұрын
How the actual hell did the Erins accidentally write about domestic abuse so realistically?
@goldieofthegold9169
@goldieofthegold9169 3 жыл бұрын
No clue
@ohno5866
@ohno5866 3 жыл бұрын
have been in one and thought it was normal?
@Fuwaketsuu
@Fuwaketsuu 3 жыл бұрын
+oh no Well in that case, that's pretty concerning.
@phantomcat7990
@phantomcat7990 3 жыл бұрын
@@ohno5866 that’s... worrying
@delubayca1290
@delubayca1290 3 жыл бұрын
@@ohno5866 oh no.
@gouldiloof
@gouldiloof 3 жыл бұрын
I’m really sick of seeing people call Bramblestar a good mate and a good cat and then call Squirrelflight a bitch, when they completely ignore how Bramblestar has always treated her.
@devi---
@devi--- 3 жыл бұрын
ikr?
@layladeclaire4737
@layladeclaire4737 Жыл бұрын
Literally everyone hates on bramble, no one sympathizes with him.
@stric9l0l
@stric9l0l Жыл бұрын
@@layladeclaire4737 idk mabey watch the video your replieing to
@layladeclaire4737
@layladeclaire4737 Жыл бұрын
@@stric9l0l not what I meant, genius. Nobody in the fandom calls him a good mate and no one trashes on Squirrel. There’s a huge bias for her. This comment is completely wrong and out of touch. And frankly, it’s quite stupid how people get all of their opinions from two biased youtubers instead of thinking for themselves.
@stric9l0l
@stric9l0l Жыл бұрын
@@layladeclaire4737 yes because the fandom got over it this video is 2 years old anyway go back to when this was made (or even befor then) and you'll find a-lot more bramble fans but most ether changed or left
@honeybumblebee9274
@honeybumblebee9274 2 жыл бұрын
Bramblestar seems like the kind of guy who calls himself an "Alpha Male"
@_idk_tbh_
@_idk_tbh_ Жыл бұрын
Legit
@ssupermarlo
@ssupermarlo Жыл бұрын
Bramble Tate
@FlowerGriffon
@FlowerGriffon Жыл бұрын
True
@tsaralexis9459
@tsaralexis9459 Жыл бұрын
@@ssupermarlo what color is your pelt
@Snow_Sailor
@Snow_Sailor Жыл бұрын
He runs an alpha male meeting after gatherings, doesn't he
@AUGGHAHAHA
@AUGGHAHAHA 3 жыл бұрын
“YA JUST LIKE YA FATHER” -leafpools angry ghost
@Zero_Is_Stopping_Time
@Zero_Is_Stopping_Time 3 жыл бұрын
“YOU’LL NEVER BE SHIT” -Leafpool’s ghost
@zoe.b.8548
@zoe.b.8548 3 жыл бұрын
I can only hear this in a Scottish accent
@zoe.b.8548
@zoe.b.8548 3 жыл бұрын
YA EVEN MO ANNOYIN THAN HAWKFROST - Darkstripes ghost
@daobabyish
@daobabyish 3 жыл бұрын
“YA WORSE THAN ME” -BrokenStars Ghost
@Oakhaze
@Oakhaze 3 жыл бұрын
“YA SUCK AT YA JOB MATE” -Firestar’s ghost
@thefiretailedweasel6206
@thefiretailedweasel6206 3 жыл бұрын
Plot twist: Bramblestar hasn't even been possessed or anything, everyone's just starting to see how much of a toxic and abusive person he is Guys please I am joking
@killersparky4044
@killersparky4044 3 жыл бұрын
i get this is a joke but root boi sees his ghost
@insertishereyeah
@insertishereyeah 3 жыл бұрын
@@killersparky4044 It ends up just being the ghost of BrambleStar's personality before he became an abusive mess (not saying he had much).
@starvoltnexus3139
@starvoltnexus3139 3 жыл бұрын
No
@Octoweaponry
@Octoweaponry 3 жыл бұрын
@@starvoltnexus3139 yes.
@starvoltnexus3139
@starvoltnexus3139 3 жыл бұрын
@@Octoweaponry I really don’t like the supervision and I’d rather Retcon it to say that bramble star was possessed of the time and say this was all Ashfur actions If you’re going to make Ashfur a villain go all the way
@VampuuriYT
@VampuuriYT Жыл бұрын
I'm seriously worried for whoever is writing WC, especially people who wrote Squilf's hope. Like, you don't accidentally write a perfect example of an abusive relationship. Either you did it intentionally or you yourself have experienced an abusive relationship and tought it was normal, "this is what relationships are supposed to be like". If somebody's relationship is similar to Squilf and Bramblestar, they need to break up immediately.
@user-gk6sg1jw3m
@user-gk6sg1jw3m 2 жыл бұрын
Tbh the only reason the Erin's made them get together is purely based off that bramblestar is tigerstar's son and squirrelflight is firestar's daughter
@yawninglion1677
@yawninglion1677 2 жыл бұрын
Sad, because they had a perfectly good Mothpool...
@amberlarch7922
@amberlarch7922 3 жыл бұрын
The fact that he’s “punishing” her makes me beyond angry. She’s just his little object who stepped out of line and needs to be taught to never NEVER do it again.
@NutpuffTheWolf
@NutpuffTheWolf 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I hate him
@ohoh8454
@ohoh8454 3 жыл бұрын
Hes treating her like a child and it pisses me off
@elm-ishh5718
@elm-ishh5718 3 жыл бұрын
petition to kick his ghost
@moni8908
@moni8908 3 жыл бұрын
@@elm-ishh5718 yessss eject himmmmmm
@frog8366
@frog8366 3 жыл бұрын
@@elm-ishh5718 i’ll sign.
@muffinland8660
@muffinland8660 3 жыл бұрын
Jesus tapdancing Christ, did Starclan really put her on *trial* for doing the thing that they lied and manipulated and forced her into doing?
@leomajor4145
@leomajor4145 3 жыл бұрын
Wow I just realized that 😒
@alovelydeadfish
@alovelydeadfish 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah :/
@sillygoosegio
@sillygoosegio 3 жыл бұрын
honestly im pretty sure that, on the darker side of things, starclan might actually be really corrupt? i play with the idea that it's actually some kind of cult that all the clans are tied into
@alixmalone19
@alixmalone19 3 жыл бұрын
I haaaaaaaate it. How are they going to lie and manipulate her into doing something and then try to punish her? I wish Squirrelflight had called them out on it.
@Theartisticyoshi
@Theartisticyoshi 3 жыл бұрын
@@sillygoosegio Honestly, I don’t even think Starclan being corrupt is an idea as much as it is fully canon. We have enough moments throughout the book series showing Starclan doing some very morally questionable things, especially the fact that cats only get sent to the Dark Forest if they defy Starclan or support the Dark Forest in life, not if you do anything actually atrocious (looking at you, Ashfur). What really concerns me is the fact that these clans have been following the same societal structure for so many generations with no addressing the flawed parts of their culture nor their code because “dead ancestors’ word is law, and if you disagree, prepare to be chastised”. The clans truly are a cult.
@furbyjpeg4616
@furbyjpeg4616 3 жыл бұрын
It's extremely fucked up to me after realizing that growing up, not only was SquirrelBramble my ideal relationship but that they perfectly mirrored my abusive relationship with my last ex. I wish the Erins had handled this better and actually done something about it. It took me six years and a shitty relationship to realize how truly toxic their relationship is and I can't help but wonder if stuff like this played a part in normalizing abuse for me.
@kingsleysocean45
@kingsleysocean45 2 жыл бұрын
I'm so sorry to hear that you used to be in a abusive relationship! :( Also, I agree with you. When I was younger,BC of Squirrels and Brambles relationship, I thought it was okay to be treated badly because 'we are still together after all'. What The Erin's wrote, was a extremely dangerous thing to teach younger readers
@fallenfrostspirit
@fallenfrostspirit Жыл бұрын
Same... When I was younger I loved their relationship, then I was unlucky enough to experienced a five year relationship similar to it. It was not good. Anyway, I wish the Erins would maybe use the SquirrelBramble relationship to teach about abuse instead of accidentally normalizing it. It would be a very important lesson if they did, one I wish I knew before.
@GeniusHamsterhe
@GeniusHamsterhe 9 ай бұрын
I'm so sorry wishing you all the best and to find your true love soon!!
@BOLONEIS
@BOLONEIS 8 күн бұрын
Their relationship is NOT toxic
@annawesometheflameingpikac3688
@annawesometheflameingpikac3688 2 жыл бұрын
Sparkpelt clearly knowing her Mom is in an abusive relationship is what hits close to home for me
@ix3755
@ix3755 2 жыл бұрын
Same here. Only thing is that my mom and I know that my father is a really, really toxic person towards everyone, not just her. She's planning on divorcing him btw
@annawesometheflameingpikac3688
@annawesometheflameingpikac3688 2 жыл бұрын
@@ix3755 I'm glad to hear you'll hopefully have a way out, and I wish you all the best in the future
@ix3755
@ix3755 2 жыл бұрын
@@annawesometheflameingpikac3688 This is so late, but thank you so much! My mom is saving up money to move out of state, and so am I.
@annawesometheflameingpikac3688
@annawesometheflameingpikac3688 2 жыл бұрын
@@ix3755 I know it's not much, but I believe in you! You deserve to get out of this situation, and I trust you'll be able to find happiness where you and your mom end up
@ix3755
@ix3755 2 жыл бұрын
@@annawesometheflameingpikac3688 Thank you! I appreciate it!
@jasonlpap
@jasonlpap 3 жыл бұрын
“Being annoying doesn’t mean you need to treat someone badly” me: shows my younger brother him: I’ll just pretend I didn’t see that
@snybies
@snybies 3 жыл бұрын
How nice it would've been only having one brother
@bgmarshall
@bgmarshall 3 жыл бұрын
Shows my OLDER sister Her: imma pretend I didn't see that (2 years older)
@creepycrawwly
@creepycrawwly 3 жыл бұрын
Huh I feel you
@koifish4276
@koifish4276 3 жыл бұрын
My friend : I'll still smack you
@Feezee223
@Feezee223 3 жыл бұрын
Looks at my older brother.
@glossymoss5577
@glossymoss5577 3 жыл бұрын
“Being annoying is never an excuse to treat someone badly” EXACTLY. THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING FACTS. I’m so glad I’m not the only one that thinks Bramblestar is worse Edit: thank you guys for the likes and sharing your experiences, im so sorry that you guys have had tough times too ;; you guys deserve to be happy
@dr.fattyzaddy5590
@dr.fattyzaddy5590 3 жыл бұрын
yesh u r not the only one for I hate the way Bramble acts
@malaynacase
@malaynacase 3 жыл бұрын
@@dr.fattyzaddy5590 Same
@ohfluffyuwu835
@ohfluffyuwu835 3 жыл бұрын
Always have ((After he becomes a warrior))
@elliotsweet2046
@elliotsweet2046 3 жыл бұрын
I agree!! It’s so annoying as I’m seen as annoying to most neurotypicals but it’s just because I’m autistic and they don’t understand it, and then I’m treated badly or bullied because they perceive me in an annoying or strange light It’s unbelievably frustrating to know people use annoyness as an excuse for abusive behaviour
@dr.fattyzaddy5590
@dr.fattyzaddy5590 3 жыл бұрын
@@elliotsweet2046 yesh i FULLY agree
@MaddHadder
@MaddHadder Жыл бұрын
ashfur is obsessed, bramblestar is abusive, cant poor squirrelflight get a normal mate for once
@JustDuckiest
@JustDuckiest Жыл бұрын
If only Shrewpaw had lived
@Wren_BurnsHam
@Wren_BurnsHam 7 ай бұрын
@@JustDuckiestwhy did we have to live in the universe where ShrewPaw died?
@MaddHadder
@MaddHadder 7 ай бұрын
@@kira-channn yes abusive.
@ShortyJordyB
@ShortyJordyB 7 ай бұрын
ShrewPaw is her cousin too 😭😭
@cornucatia12yago
@cornucatia12yago 6 ай бұрын
Ashfur is also abusive
@justyourlocalcommenter7492
@justyourlocalcommenter7492 2 жыл бұрын
Firestar: “I should’ve left you in that fire.” Bramblestar: “but cha didn’t!”
@ssupermarlo
@ssupermarlo Жыл бұрын
i am now imagining firestar saying that watching bramblestar from starclan around bramblestar's storm and squirrelflight's hope
@Cndery
@Cndery Жыл бұрын
he could have let brambleshit die, and saved Yellowfang. I would be happier.
@WeirdCatLover
@WeirdCatLover Жыл бұрын
@@ssupermarlo Bluestar: “Firestar? Where are you going?” Firestar: “I’m going to go tell cat hitler’s son that there is a prophecy where he must eat a pile of dirt and choke to death. HE DISRESPECTED MAH BABYY THAT MEANS DEATH”
@Kensuke22
@Kensuke22 Жыл бұрын
@@WeirdCatLover me: "lemme join u fire star"
@molester628
@molester628 7 ай бұрын
it would have been better for bramblestar too, he probs faced a lot of bullying due to who his father is.
@nicknackpaddywacks
@nicknackpaddywacks 3 жыл бұрын
Moonkitti exposed Bramblestar so hard she singlehandedly caused warrior cats to trend on tumblr, and I'm enjoying every second of it
@thistle_flowers5018
@thistle_flowers5018 3 жыл бұрын
whaaaat the warriors fandom is on tumblr??? do you know of any good tags I can look through? Cant believe I never knew
@nellbell2568
@nellbell2568 3 жыл бұрын
Bramblestar's Storm: We need more kittens Squirrelflight's Hope: Will you ever shut up about kittens?
@somangiscute6370
@somangiscute6370 3 жыл бұрын
xD I just realised that...
@TheDarthEme
@TheDarthEme 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder if his mindset changes after what happens Dandelionkit and Juniperkit, as he doesn’t want to have to experience the tragedy of losing any more kits?
@nellbell2568
@nellbell2568 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheDarthEme Oh, that hurt me. I eish it would have gone into more detail on the loss of their kits. It could have been some great character development for Bramblestar if he was afraid to have kits, not seemingly just being controlling.
@TheDarthEme
@TheDarthEme 3 жыл бұрын
@@nellbell2568 agreed. I really like Bramblestar and wish his character was written better, it’s sucks that they kind of made him a bit controlling and rude
@patchzefox
@patchzefox 3 жыл бұрын
Well to be fair, thunderclan is big enough
@aischengoldworm1182
@aischengoldworm1182 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly looking back at the beginning of their relationship, I gotta say the age gap is honestly really weird. I mean Brambleclaw is a warrior before Firestar's even leaves for his quest, and he even though he has kits soon after that still makes Brambleclaw quite a bit older than her. I did some rough timeline calculations for a fandom project and if we kepts all the events canon that would make Brambleclaw almost 2 years old at the beginning of Midnight. Even though they don't get together until after Squirrelflight becomes a warrior, I feel like they're relationship is comparable to a 25 year old dating an 18 year old who just graduated high school. As Moonkitti pointed out, there was always and inherit power imbalance and looking back it's kind of disturbing to see. ESPECIALLY when Bramble trivializes Squirrelflight's feelings or treats her like a child.
@loganthebookdragon
@loganthebookdragon Жыл бұрын
@RobotBlue 😰
@dahannes6739
@dahannes6739 Жыл бұрын
@RobotBlue 25 and 18 is not a disgusting age gap Whats wrong with you
@dahannes6739
@dahannes6739 Жыл бұрын
@RobotBlue no whats wrong with you, do you really think theres a great difference if youre 18 or 20 years old?
@dahannes6739
@dahannes6739 Жыл бұрын
@RobotBlue check my Profile and tell me im 12 again
@East9211
@East9211 Жыл бұрын
They’re animals. It’s really not that deep 🤦‍♀️
@pinky0558
@pinky0558 9 ай бұрын
The “StarClan gave us claws for a reason” scene is actually horrifying. Brambleclaw’s words Squirrelflight and Lionblaze’s reactions to it It really sounds like Brambleclaw was threatening to hit her
@MartiniiYeah
@MartiniiYeah 9 ай бұрын
Jesus Christ... that sent chills down my fucking back.
@Ladywondeer
@Ladywondeer 8 ай бұрын
Which book?
@FizzyFizzie
@FizzyFizzie 8 ай бұрын
I don’t think that was his intention, in the book, they’re yapping about battling shadowclan. NOT trying to defend anything but i dont think that was the intention whatsoever
@loppie_445
@loppie_445 8 ай бұрын
⁠​⁠@@FizzyFizzie True, but i wouldn’t put it past him, especially seeing how he behaves in Squrrielflights hope
@mxxem_AL
@mxxem_AL 6 ай бұрын
@@raccoonsrule3090 💀
@TheRibottoStudios
@TheRibottoStudios 3 жыл бұрын
I full on believe that they're ONLY together because StarClan needed them to raise Leafpool's kits. And you can't change my mind.
@dropletdraws8907
@dropletdraws8907 3 жыл бұрын
True, and they also were the main male and female protagonists so they Haddddd to be together (I hate this but I’m pretty sure it’s one of the reasons)
@julesyano4337
@julesyano4337 3 жыл бұрын
@@dropletdraws8907 male and female protagonists that aren’t siblings? Ship ship ship!!!
@dropletdraws8907
@dropletdraws8907 3 жыл бұрын
@@julesyano4337 this is definitely one of the truest comments(and responses) on this whole post
@deltastar4147
@deltastar4147 3 жыл бұрын
I felt like they were going for the whole hero's daughter falls in love with villains sons thing
@dropletdraws8907
@dropletdraws8907 3 жыл бұрын
@@deltastar4147 true
@Anne-wf1vo
@Anne-wf1vo 3 жыл бұрын
How ironic. He didn't want to be as bad as his dad, but here we are
@nectar2636
@nectar2636 3 жыл бұрын
At least HE somewhat treated his mates nicely... okay maybe not, but better than Bramblebutt here.
@nectar2636
@nectar2636 3 жыл бұрын
@Skywalker Kitty Haha, I think he has a lot of nicknames. I personally call him Bramblebutt. But some say Brashblestar/Brashstar, and some with swear words in it that I prefer not to use. :D! Kinda funny how we have nicknames for certain characters.
@Weirdanimalboy
@Weirdanimalboy 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah this is like the weird Tigerstar x Sasha relationship, where he claims to love her but chastises her for her decisions and who she is 😕
@andrewatkinson4168
@andrewatkinson4168 3 жыл бұрын
Bramble is WORSE then Tiger
@mysryuza
@mysryuza 3 жыл бұрын
Runs in the family I guess
@SillyNep
@SillyNep Жыл бұрын
It's actually heartbreaking what he's done to Squirreflights confidence... She's such an amazing character and her energy has been fantastic since the start tbh, and honestly it felt like he never saw her as a full cat, ever since he PINED AFTER HER WHEN SHE WAS AN APPRENTICE, he was still looking down at her as if she was a stupid child, because apparently that's attractive to him. If he thinks she's so immature then maybe he should stop dating her, he'd be doing her a big favour, even if it hurt her to lose him at the start she'd be better off in the long run.
@efrenamy
@efrenamy Жыл бұрын
It is really sad how he drains all the confidence out of her. I agree.
@yolochip4889
@yolochip4889 6 ай бұрын
Have you ever watched the video or what? You make me laugh more.@@DaisyBelll
@hadleyreynolds8870
@hadleyreynolds8870 5 ай бұрын
@@DaisyBelll no one said she was perfect or never made mistakes, but the abuse is clear. Watch the video.
@Marilynn_1275
@Marilynn_1275 3 ай бұрын
Oh hell nah! I do NOT like that implication... But you're definitely correct on all of these points.
@candiiihearts
@candiiihearts Жыл бұрын
Something that should be notes is that Bramblestar, in multiple instances, uses a very common manipulation/abuse tactic: Love bombing. Love bombing is when a manipulator/abuser realizes that they have upset or are at risk of losing their victim, so, they shower the victim with love, attention, and promises(that usually aren’t fulfilled) in order to make them stay, in order to make them believe that they are loved, even if this affection isnt the norm for their relationship. Another tactic that could be interpreted from his actions is where the abuser gives promises, ideas, etc. to the victim, but either these promises dont have a set date or are far in the future. Whenever they reach the “calm” period in a relationship, at least one promise gets fulfilled. This leads the victim to associate the abuse they receive as just the build up to something good.
@god_2.0_the_better_version
@god_2.0_the_better_version Жыл бұрын
I've known about this for a long time but reading that in description made me realize my only friend is doing that to me, I didn't want to believe it since she is a victim of an ex gf doing that to her, and, well, my only friend, but it makes sense now. I'm sorry, that was kind've unrelated, I just felt like this huge gut punch just now and it hurts so now I'm rambling in the replies. Sorry again, probably just ignore this.
@deranged_dragon9471
@deranged_dragon9471 Жыл бұрын
@@god_2.0_the_better_version Hey...just want to check up on you. I've had this same friendship and it's hard to go through. But I do believe you should distance yourself. Do you have a discord? Maybe you'd Iike to talk? I recently lost the same friend and damn it's hard. I wouldn't want really any one to go through it alone like I'm having too.
@GeniusHamsterhe
@GeniusHamsterhe 9 ай бұрын
@@god_2.0_the_better_version I'm so sorry, wishing you all the best how are you right now 💗💗💗 I'm sending you the hug!!!
@GeniusHamsterhe
@GeniusHamsterhe 9 ай бұрын
@@god_2.0_the_better_version don't stay in toxic relationships please it's awful
@god_2.0_the_better_version
@god_2.0_the_better_version 9 ай бұрын
@@GeniusHamsterhe Thank you. I've since let go of the friendship. I did it all alone when I had nobody left and it was really hard, but she was 17 and I was much younger, and she uh... well, let's just say, got very weird. Not technically grooming since she's also a minor but the age gap was way too big for that stuff to be normal. I'm not doing much better now, but hey, one more toxic person gone
@TQuinn-yy9wy
@TQuinn-yy9wy 3 жыл бұрын
"Why would you help your twin sister who is the only medicine cat of this Clan and has been nothing but helpful and kind to everyone" Says the cat who almost murdered his father figure and abandoned his morals for his half brother he knew for a month
@nyowo
@nyowo 3 жыл бұрын
lOgIc
@jamarihernandez7117
@jamarihernandez7117 3 жыл бұрын
*MORALS 100*
@-zawolf-8325
@-zawolf-8325 3 жыл бұрын
Bramble claws reason makes sENcE
@axelf9947
@axelf9947 3 жыл бұрын
I honestly loved Firestar and Bramblestar’s dynamic. But to be honest, that‘s... pretty much the only redeeming part of Bramble’s character. Ugh.
@BlueMaskGuy
@BlueMaskGuy 3 жыл бұрын
Isn’t that kinda weird since Firestar was a father figure to Bramblestar and now Bramblestar is dating Firestar’s daughter? 0~0
@dotdedo
@dotdedo 3 жыл бұрын
As someone who was in a real toxic relationship, Squirrelflight is 100% justified in fighting back even if it sounds harsh. A big a indicator someone you love is in a toxic relationship is they have sudden 'anger issues' for lack of better term. We get so frustrated of having to just deal with it and our concerns not being taken seriously by our abuser that we lash out at either them or other people, something I did a lot back then and most abusers take this as an oppertunity to gaslight the victim in front of complete strangers. ie - the abuser might say something, or even film it saying "Look how she's yelling at me guys? She's totally crazy!" while they act calm and collected. This is also why a lot of victims struggle with denial and think they are the real toxic person instead.
@pupville1055
@pupville1055 3 жыл бұрын
+Zack Victor - Brilliant point, dude. I'm in the same boat (except with my sole parental figure rather than a romantic one), and often said parent will use similar tactics presented in this video. My sister (unlike me, who 90% just sits there and takes it) would lash out. Of course, our parent used this as a means of justifying (well, *another* justification) for her treatment of us. People get sick of being treated cruelly and they hit a breaking point. Reacting angrily to mistreatment is an understandable thing. Also worth noting, once my sister moved out, her seemingly 'irrational' anger fell away almost immediately.
@justaperson8381
@justaperson8381 3 жыл бұрын
As someone who has been in a very manipulative and toxic relationship, the tactic that most abusers use is to make you feel weak and stupid.
@mmmm-lg2mj
@mmmm-lg2mj 3 жыл бұрын
@Grace Selvanayagam you should tell someone you can trust about that
@BrightJuni
@BrightJuni 3 жыл бұрын
@Grace Selvanayagam my dad did that to my mum, and when he divorced her he started doing it to me. Tell the school therapist before it hits you or hurts your mom too much
@sparkledust3578
@sparkledust3578 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I hate when the victim's anger at their abuser is taken out of context and people paint THEM as the abusive one because their "yelling looks scary" or something
@yanmeggo
@yanmeggo 3 жыл бұрын
I love this. I used to not like Squilf, I was indifferent about Bramblestar, but this really opened my eyes. And after watching this, with the realization that Squilf is literally killing herself in this new arc to fight for her abuser's life is so depressing
@honeybumblebee9274
@honeybumblebee9274 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it just makes me so sad to think about how the abuse has been going on for so long that Squilf has literally developed Stockholm syndrome.
@Trans_Reed_13
@Trans_Reed_13 2 жыл бұрын
@@honeybumblebee9274 and the fact that she was terrified of Ashfur while he was possessing Bramblestar and flinched a lot during that time yet still thought it was her own mate...
@Wormmings
@Wormmings Жыл бұрын
I’ve /always/ found it incredibly off putting how bramble was a *warrior* when squilf was born. Just another way he has power over her.
@Littlefox1213
@Littlefox1213 Жыл бұрын
I wonder, when did he become a warrior? Skipped ARC 1(oopsie!) and in Midnight he’s apparently a young warrior while SF is an apprentice?
@imaginarylivingbody7154
@imaginarylivingbody7154 Жыл бұрын
@@Littlefox1213 He became a warrior in Firestar’s Quest and about four months later Squirrelflight was born.
@TorbieGinger
@TorbieGinger Жыл бұрын
They have a age gap of like a few months-a year max.
@imaginarylivingbody7154
@imaginarylivingbody7154 Жыл бұрын
@@TorbieGinger More like close to 2 years, depending on how long Firestar’s journey to Skyclan took and when Squirrelflight was born.
@jellybeanmutt3228
@jellybeanmutt3228 Жыл бұрын
@@TorbieGinger in human years new warriors are 18-20 Meaning when she was a BABY he was an adult She was a teenager when they got “close” on the Journey they got together as adults but the gap is still weird.
@vynniev9611
@vynniev9611 3 жыл бұрын
oh this is... this is spooky. wow. imagine writing such a realistic abusive relationship.... *accidentally.*
@blackcatmoon8118
@blackcatmoon8118 3 жыл бұрын
me: oh maybe its another one of her shorts Moonkitti: ArE YoU SuRe AbOuT tHaT
@ryeish
@ryeish 3 жыл бұрын
YEAH ITS ONE HOUR
@SquidsINCIsABadYouTuber
@SquidsINCIsABadYouTuber 3 жыл бұрын
Ocelot filler arc
@mossinvasion
@mossinvasion 3 жыл бұрын
YES
@mcforgaming
@mcforgaming 3 жыл бұрын
I didn't know this was a hour when I saw the vid
@roundestrow1et
@roundestrow1et 3 жыл бұрын
it's not a short, it's a long
@algiz_3696
@algiz_3696 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah this is why I stopped reading warriors. Once Brambleclaw/star became the protagonist I felt the story went from a classic hero tale to a horrible inconsistent mess with now ableism, forced religions, normalized abusive relationships, sexism and no choice in a persons destiny. what ever happened to simple character archs and plots that still teach a lesson without forcing it down your throat
@jittercritter
@jittercritter 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly yeah. It would be awesome to have a protagonist that rejects all of these issues, bc they have been a problem in like every single arc
@devi---
@devi--- 3 жыл бұрын
i stopped reading the series after squilf's hope.. it really messed me up inside after i just had a bad abuse situation with a family member
@random3545
@random3545 Жыл бұрын
that’s so true. after brambleclaw became protagonist it became messy, drama-filled and annoying.
@goldenretrieversarethebest8119
@goldenretrieversarethebest8119 Жыл бұрын
i agree with some of the things you said but not all of them. Personally I think the formula just got old.
@KiwiDrawz
@KiwiDrawz Жыл бұрын
This is why when I revisit Warriors I don't go any further past A Vision Of Shadows. The series has gotten way to complicated going further than just Clan cats living under the guidance of their ancestors it's now going in all different directions like POSESSION?! Have they really run out of ideas that they now dig in to all this supernatural stuff why can't it just be simple anymore with a character vs a villain with no big plot holes left
@fairycat23
@fairycat23 3 жыл бұрын
"I just want justice for my little red cat." I haven't been active in this fandom for about a decade, and I skim TVTropes and the Warriors wiki to know what the heck has happened in the books I haven't read, but I just might write an AU in which Squirrelflight gets justice.
@user-tk4mr8nk6l
@user-tk4mr8nk6l 2 жыл бұрын
write it and link it i will read it
@AnOmoriFanatic
@AnOmoriFanatic Ай бұрын
Oh boy do i have a warrior cats map for you
@kassi-opeia
@kassi-opeia 3 жыл бұрын
Anyone else remember when Stormfur had a mini crush on her? ;-; I think she would have been better off with him, Ashfur AND Bramblestar are bad for her. Ashfur is too psychotic, but also wanted to hold her down back. Before the fire scene. He wanted to calm her, to tame her. Bramblestar is abusive and a massive d*ck to her. Stormfur and Brook is cute but like, I'd rather her and Stormfur be together or her be with no one at all. (Edit: Yes, there could be many other, better options for her but just saying out of all the cats that have shown romantic affection to her, Stormfur is the best.)
@snybies
@snybies 3 жыл бұрын
Finally.
@sandstormofthunderclan8321
@sandstormofthunderclan8321 3 жыл бұрын
Stormfur is the best choice for her
@iheartviviradio
@iheartviviradio 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah Stormfur is definitely the better choice
@Oakhaze
@Oakhaze 3 жыл бұрын
Even tho I don’t ship them yeah I agree But the problem is that they are both from different clans
@iheartviviradio
@iheartviviradio 3 жыл бұрын
@@Oakhaze that is true. My only problem with Bramblestar and Squrrielflight is that she can't do anything to stop this abuse because it's gone on for so long. At this point the best thing for this to end if for Squilf to be like "ayo fuck bramblestar that betch was horrible and imma stay single or date a girl periodt"
@nellbell2568
@nellbell2568 3 жыл бұрын
"Don't you love me anymore?" Of course squilf is worried about this - Bramblestar is dismissing her and not spending time with her. Something he's done repeatedly in the past as a manipulation tactic to show her he doesn't love or need her. He is constantly using ambivalence and mocking her and her wants and needs to show her he's in control and she's just a child he needs to humor, who doesn't know best. She's terrified, because she's gone through this before. She feels like he doesn't love her, but he's purposely made her feel that way. I can't blame her for reacting to previous repeated behaviors and recognizing the similarities here.
@lovelaced
@lovelaced 3 жыл бұрын
Okay, this is honestly a great comment, but s q u i l f
@reverseli
@reverseli 3 жыл бұрын
s q u i l f
@Mika-cr9yc
@Mika-cr9yc 3 жыл бұрын
S q u i l f
@nellbell2568
@nellbell2568 3 жыл бұрын
Omg, guys, that wasn't even the point of the post
@fanofeverything8937
@fanofeverything8937 3 жыл бұрын
This makes so much sense
@meevins
@meevins Жыл бұрын
it's sort of frustrating that a lot of peoples takeaway from this is to try and debate whether bramble, ash or another cat would be a better mate as if the concept of her just being single and not wanting or having a mate is a concept that doesn't exist. not to mention both bramble and ash are terrible, terrible partners in their own ways "but--" no they're both awful and wouldn't be a good match with or without the broken code arc existing.
@boipoi7836
@boipoi7836 3 жыл бұрын
Come get your "I hated Bramblestar before it was cool" badge here.
@kimhyunjinbarksjeonheejina9759
@kimhyunjinbarksjeonheejina9759 3 жыл бұрын
👍
@sodadile
@sodadile 3 жыл бұрын
Hiii
@popitpoprocks
@popitpoprocks 3 жыл бұрын
eyyy
@_idk_tbh_
@_idk_tbh_ Жыл бұрын
How much? *Grabs fathers wallet*
@reo_1907
@reo_1907 Жыл бұрын
imma go grab one of those
@mooneatsworms
@mooneatsworms 3 жыл бұрын
im not gonna lie, Bramblestar's Storm from what ive seen reads like some fanfiction im not even kidding, that "Is she always like this?" line just felt like some 14 year old wrote it
@Rainchu89
@Rainchu89 3 жыл бұрын
I read it, it was basically a fanfic, not even that good of one. It had a lot of weird moments that went nowhere, like Bramblestar noticing that Tigerheart and Dovewing ”Fought as if they had been raised with each other” then Bramblestar never thought of it again. Jessy was... Weird, honestly, she just came out of nowhere, was really into Clan life, then left and insisted Squirrel and Bramble should be together because they had an unbreakable bond. I didn't like it.
@rainy1835
@rainy1835 3 жыл бұрын
pst... you know something awful i just realized about that thing in squirrelflights hope of "lets go sneak out and run around and pretend we're young again?" it's been mentioned that firestar and sandstorm had a habit of going night hunting. yknow. *firestar*. when he was a leader. still made time for his relationship. and these were squirrelflight's parents.
@testerwulf3357
@testerwulf3357 3 жыл бұрын
If firestar always had time for sandstorm and didn’t fight all the time like brash apprentices bramblestar had NO excuse to ignore and constantly talk down to squirrelflight. Firestar treated sandstorm like an equal, his mate, the one person he could truly rely on the most and trust; Bramble treated squirrelflight like an annoyance, he used her and abused her and neglected her needs making her feel bad for having needs.
@rainy1835
@rainy1835 3 жыл бұрын
@@testerwulf3357 exactly!! and that was even with all the spottedleaf drama. i dont understand how we have sandstorm and firestar, a relationship where one of them is a leader and the other fiery and headstrong like squirrelflight, watch them have *no* pattern of malicious behavior, watch all of firestar's blunders in the relationship (mostly spottedleaf related) get treated seriously and addressed and fixed, and watch him still make time for her and respect her insights from a leadership perspective, and then have the books turn around and act like bramblestar just HAS to be this way! they never ACTUALLY fix any of his problems, and his problems were much worse than firestars "im still hung up on my dead crush" garbage.
@petalleaf2808
@petalleaf2808 3 жыл бұрын
This made me have a sudden rush of nostalgia and sadness. I miss the times when Firestar and Sandstorm were alive.
@mowserbedowser5436
@mowserbedowser5436 2 жыл бұрын
Dear Squilf, 1. Dig big hole. Very deep. 2. Put deathberries into Bramble's fresh kill 3. Put dead body into hole before he revives. Bury it. Let him suffocate eight times 4. Go to moonstone and take over clan. Yay SquirrelStar! 5. Bramblestar goes to dark forest hurray the end
@theskywingartist
@theskywingartist Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately we all know the Erin's won't let Their Golden Child go to the Dark Forest
@JayVasco2282
@JayVasco2282 Жыл бұрын
Are you trying to repeat brokentail's death all over again? We already know how that turned out when yellowfang made her own son eat deathberries so he can die poisoned instead of fighting to the death.
@stevenbet6837
@stevenbet6837 Жыл бұрын
6. Completely ignore or make up some kind of thing about Bramble's death :D
@molester628
@molester628 7 ай бұрын
squirrelstar would suck ngl
@Diamondr11Blue
@Diamondr11Blue 6 ай бұрын
Wtf
@pinky0558
@pinky0558 2 жыл бұрын
Brambleclaw should’ve been like an older brother to Squirrelflight. Like if he saw Firestar as a father in place of Tigerstar
@Moqnxydotc
@Moqnxydotc 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah they have more of a sibling relationship rather than a romantic relationship
@brigade7678
@brigade7678 Жыл бұрын
you are SO right! Even having them try to date but realize they love each other in a more platonic sibling way would have been WAY better
@Vivigreeny25
@Vivigreeny25 Жыл бұрын
Fr
@eptck
@eptck 3 жыл бұрын
ah, the classic “he only hits me because i did something wrong”
@frankenstein2758
@frankenstein2758 3 жыл бұрын
Double yikes bro
@humangarbage3019
@humangarbage3019 3 жыл бұрын
@@frankenstein2758 triple yikes bro
@olivineanimatics477
@olivineanimatics477 3 жыл бұрын
@@humangarbage3019 Quadruple yikes bro
@humangarbage3019
@humangarbage3019 3 жыл бұрын
@@olivineanimatics477 quintuple yikes bro
@quicksilverchaos4122
@quicksilverchaos4122 3 жыл бұрын
@@humangarbage3019 s*xtuple yikes bro
@Katzunowo
@Katzunowo 3 жыл бұрын
I haven’t read the newest books yet but holy shit it makes me so sad to have squirrelflight go through all that bs with ashfur only to have her end up with an abusive pos.
@Nk-ev9be
@Nk-ev9be 3 жыл бұрын
I’m scared to read the new books seeing that I haven’t seen all this toxic bs from the past books. Then again, I was just a teen, so...
@radiotelevision2371
@radiotelevision2371 3 жыл бұрын
Omg katzun you read warriors?!
@ss-gp8yt
@ss-gp8yt 3 жыл бұрын
Omg, Kat. :0
@RedIsACrepe
@RedIsACrepe 3 жыл бұрын
👁️👄👁️💧🙏
@itzmerandom9143
@itzmerandom9143 3 жыл бұрын
Omg Katzun Ur videos!!!
@majasol123
@majasol123 3 жыл бұрын
This usually happens if a female of any kind opposes a lead in a headstrong or brave way its perceived as pushy and desperate. And if they are active and spontanious they are overwelming and irritating. Sadly, these things are often said about bolth real and fictional women.
@geministrial950
@geministrial950 3 жыл бұрын
THIS
@random3545
@random3545 Жыл бұрын
so true
@crmpldleaves
@crmpldleaves Жыл бұрын
@@geministrial950 IS SO TRUE THAT IT'S SAD
@Kensuke22
@Kensuke22 Жыл бұрын
Oh I wonder whyyy......
@kiingdomkey3857
@kiingdomkey3857 2 жыл бұрын
ashfur’s literal fucking brother was a kittypet???? the lengths the erin’s will reach just to justify why squilf got together with bramble is such bullshit
@vaporskies63
@vaporskies63 3 жыл бұрын
I'd like to add the fact that (SPOILERS) In the broken code, possessed Bramblestar treats Squirrelflight badly. He guilt trips her, abuses her both physically and mentally, and abandons her. Now this behavior can be excused on the fact that it isnt really Bramblestar. But what unsettled me the most when reading was how the clan responded. A large portion of the clan didn't seem too bothered about it for a while. Why? Because this has become a normal Bramblestar thing. Nobody figured out that Bramblestar was possessed because this new cat is acting a lot like Bramblestar. I have read all four books so far btw.
@dergs_and_stuff
@dergs_and_stuff 3 жыл бұрын
What book did that occur in? I'm very curious.
@MisterMythical
@MisterMythical 3 жыл бұрын
@@dergs_and_stuff The Silent Thaw, with a bit of this in Veil of Shadows as well.
@arvo-noon
@arvo-noon 3 жыл бұрын
*O h n o*
@leopardus_paradalis
@leopardus_paradalis 3 жыл бұрын
He was already treating her badly before he got possessed in that book
@rowanheart8122
@rowanheart8122 3 жыл бұрын
Literally nobody started noticing something was off until he stopped bathing and going on patrol
@wenpigsfly95
@wenpigsfly95 3 жыл бұрын
“Just because someone annoys you, doesn’t mean you get to treat them badly” a beginners guide to understanding abusive relationships. THANK YOU
@deerlyqueery
@deerlyqueery 2 жыл бұрын
It's honestly scary how closely this follows an abusive relationship. Makes you wonder if one of the writers was or is in a similar relationship and thinks that this is just normal.
@keyrel2404
@keyrel2404 3 жыл бұрын
As someone who was in an abusive relationship...yeahp. This is accurate. And to take it further; Bramblestar reads like a narcissist. He has very typical narcissistic behavior, especially the type of abuse used. Was it intentional? It's possible...if it wasn't intentional, then it's the result of Bramblestar not being developed as a character properly at all...but honestly, since other characters are pointing out the issues of the relatinship, it looks intentional.
@GeniusHamsterhe
@GeniusHamsterhe 9 ай бұрын
I'm so sorry wishing you all the best ❤️❤️❤️
@GeniusHamsterhe
@GeniusHamsterhe 9 ай бұрын
Sending you the 🫂🫂🫂 how are you right now, darling? 💗💗💗
@Greenkitten45
@Greenkitten45 3 жыл бұрын
I know warriors isn't realistic, like, at all, *BUT* here's a fun fact: Unspayed females cats *never* experience menopause, as humans do, which means Squirrel could be an elder and still have kittens. In fact, the oldest cat on record (that I am currently aware of) was thirty years old when she had her final litter.
@tigerdiamond2486
@tigerdiamond2486 3 жыл бұрын
Brightheart was like in the elders den then she got pregnant for the 2 time
@noytc
@noytc 3 жыл бұрын
@@tigerdiamond2486 No? Brightheart only recently moved to the elders den.
@tigerdiamond2486
@tigerdiamond2486 3 жыл бұрын
@@noytc i know but she was old af then she had her second litter
@emma-rb4sp
@emma-rb4sp 3 жыл бұрын
@@tigerdiamond2486 oh my god im so behind on warriors. brightheart had another litter????
@tigerdiamond2486
@tigerdiamond2486 3 жыл бұрын
@@emma-rb4sp yeah ambermoon,dewnose and snowbush
@lucilucid
@lucilucid 3 жыл бұрын
This is why I wish they didn't kill off Shrewpaw so he wouldn't be a option. He seemed to genuinely care for her.
@ellap7461
@ellap7461 3 жыл бұрын
Shrewpaw & Squirrelflight deserved better :(
@saturniiiidae
@saturniiiidae 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed! They were really sweet, in the small amount of times we met him he seemed kind and like he could be protective without be smothering like ashfur.
@gingersnap8848
@gingersnap8848 3 жыл бұрын
@CLAIRE HETZLER ehhhhh, Stormfur is OK but stormfur KNEW that Brambleclaw loved Squireelpaw
@canrastis
@canrastis 3 жыл бұрын
She's also related to shrew and storm :D
@ingeborgthingvold6430
@ingeborgthingvold6430 7 ай бұрын
I would like to add that Bramblestar has more power over Squirrelflight as his deptuty instead of a warrior. Demoting her from deputy would be humiliating for her as even the other clans would see it, and expecially since Bramble is her mate. Threatening to take such belitteling actions just adds on to the layers of abuse, and humiliation is a common abuse tactic.
@Spechie
@Spechie 2 жыл бұрын
I rly used to like brambleclaw but his treatment of squirrelflight started literally from the start he was rude asf to squirrelpaw and it just kept getting worse. squirrel is a good character and hoenstly she really didnt do much besides being 'annoying'. she wasnt even annoying she was just being squirrelflight. brambleclaw is kinda a pos and the erins somehow wrote him into a total douche while making squirrelflight look bad. ive never understood why ppl hate her so much
@flippylekitty
@flippylekitty 3 жыл бұрын
“Oh, Bramblestar isn’t that bad” Moonkitti: *Im about to end this man’s whole career*
@robynsadlyisnttaken4692
@robynsadlyisnttaken4692 3 жыл бұрын
i was talking to my friend about how bad bramblestar is, and she was just like "well i don't hate him yet because he hasn't attacked her or anything so it isn't that bad" and believe me i rephrased atleast 3 whole websites about emotional abuse to her and most likely got her really concerned on how i knew so much stuff about this so that was a fun 2 hours
@Randomreplacement
@Randomreplacement 3 жыл бұрын
@@robynsadlyisnttaken4692 all my friends are like ‘nonono Bramblestar did nothing wrong’
@gummychee
@gummychee 3 жыл бұрын
@@Randomreplacement All my friend are like “what’s warrior cats?” or “ are you a furry?” lol
@flippylekitty
@flippylekitty 3 жыл бұрын
@@robynsadlyisnttaken4692 What the fudge is wrong with your friend-
@robynsadlyisnttaken4692
@robynsadlyisnttaken4692 3 жыл бұрын
@@flippylekitty i have no clue honestly-
@treenaturtle1585
@treenaturtle1585 3 жыл бұрын
I love how when Squirrelflight breaks up with her boyfriend and explores other options she's automatically demonized, accused of leading Brambleclaw on, attempting to make her ex jealous, etc. But suddenly when Bramblestar literally openly pursues another woman and buries his face in her hair to smell her one last time nobody bats an eye and assumes this is all normal,, hmm👁👄👁
@snakewithapen5489
@snakewithapen5489 3 жыл бұрын
I've literally seen people hate on squirrelflight and try to justify Ashfur's actions by saying that Squirrel _cheated on him._ They were never in a relationship, Squirrel might have been interested in him for a little while because Bramble was being an absolute POS to her at the time, but Squirrel never cheated on Ash- there's no reason for him to try to murder three cats he believed were here children other than the fact he felt entitled to her because he liked her. Bramble is the apparently unfaithful one, and yet we never see anyone call him out on it, either in the books or in the fandom.
@treenaturtle1585
@treenaturtle1585 3 жыл бұрын
@@snakewithapen5489 Fr it’s just behavior enacted by 12yos who don’t know what a fling is. Squirrelflight’s just treated like some kind of trophy object the whole time and it’s so sick to read :/
@treenaturtle1585
@treenaturtle1585 3 жыл бұрын
@Some Weeb Why don't you think so?
@bellrookie3499
@bellrookie3499 3 жыл бұрын
Idkw, but the fact that this sounds so similar to how DovexBumble works somehow makes it worse...
@treenaturtle1585
@treenaturtle1585 3 жыл бұрын
@Abigail Ginn yeah I was lmao
@rebeccan7276
@rebeccan7276 2 жыл бұрын
Being abused does not bring out the best in people, so it bothers me to see "they reacted badly to abuse!" used against the victim to justify the abuser. Its a weird narrative and I can't exactly blame the fandom for not all reading deeper than the author's intended message which is confusing to say the least but I do wish more people saw the implications, love how you laid it out
@VenusianVenus
@VenusianVenus Жыл бұрын
I feel like everyone forgets that stormfur had a crush on squilf before Brook. He would have been a much better mate for squilf imo, but alas, the Tribe calls.
@Stephanieshortland
@Stephanieshortland 3 жыл бұрын
Firestar watching bramblestar abuse and manipulate his daughter: 👁👄👁
@Oakhaze
@Oakhaze 3 жыл бұрын
@@MahkRonAKash He and Sandstorm loved eachother, he defended Squirrelflight and Leafpool against Lionblaze and Jayfeather, he made Sandstorm go to Jayfeather’s den when she was sick cuz he cared about her. The reason you don’t see much development is cuz he’s not the main focus anymore ig
@Oakhaze
@Oakhaze 3 жыл бұрын
@@MahkRonAKash The reason he lashed out at them was because he was told that the two would destroy the clans, this sounded like a bad thing so he tried to keep them apart. This is the only bad treatment we see given to Squirrelpaw. As I said he defended Leafpool’s secret and in his super edition he is given the chance to choose Sandstorm or Spottedleaf and he chooses Sandstorm. When Leafpool told Firestar of the bramble vision he agrees saying Brambleclaw would make a good deputy, just because he isn’t given much development with his children and lashes out at his daughter ONCE does not mean he’s a horrible father
@absollinazimmer2883
@absollinazimmer2883 3 жыл бұрын
@@MahkRonAKash He tried to keep the clans alive by separating them two bc that’s the msg Cinderpelt got from StarClan. Dude I only see you hating on him even tho there are many arguments against it wtf
@fireandice1228
@fireandice1228 3 жыл бұрын
@@MahkRonAKash um if firestar is bad than brambleclaw is dark forest bad
@aspen-1277
@aspen-1277 3 жыл бұрын
@@Oakhaze the high way dude is going through every reply section that involves firestar and I don’t think you’ll change their mind
@nyanbinary87
@nyanbinary87 3 жыл бұрын
for me, the worst part is it all worked. i hated squirrelflight because i was a young, impressionable reader. i've grown past that, but i haven't read the books recently enough to really remember bramblestar's behavior. i know by now its wrong, but as a kid, the tactics WORKED. i was fully on bramblestar's side once. i wasn't even out of elementary school. if i hadn't learned better by now, i could've become bramblestar. watch what you're writing and how it's presented. the books tried to present bramblestar as sympathetic, and i, an elementary school kid, believed it. i believed that bramblestar was in the right because i couldn't have known better and nothing showed me otherwise because bramblestar is intended to be sympathetic. i also do not have some of the books that demonstrate their relationship, as i don't own more recent books, but i have many and they all contributed. YES, THESE ARE CAT BOOKS. but i learned so much from all the books i read and this was almost one of them. i almost learned that being bramblestar is okay, is good, is right. i did learn it, but not fully, and i have been working to undo that idea within themselves. you CANNOT dismiss the lessons any fiction can teach, no matter how ridiculous it seems.
@purple6242
@purple6242 3 жыл бұрын
THIS! I was in the same exact situation and as a young impressionable kid I didnt like Squilf either because the authors presented her in such a way were to a kid she was in the wrong. They need to be careful how they write things that they 'for kids' because most kids will think of that as normal witch is incredibly dangerous.
@nyanbinary87
@nyanbinary87 3 жыл бұрын
@@purple6242 I hope later books present her better, i largely lost interest past omen of the stars, but i doubt it after seeing this video, as even if they present squirrelflight as in the right, bramblestar is still........whats the word.......not fully presented as unsympathetic, more as a neutral party whos been sympathetic? it does not fill me with confidence.
@nectar2636
@nectar2636 3 жыл бұрын
I read Warriors much older than you started probably, so I was so confused. I though Squirrelflight was just fine, and interesting character, while Bramble just saying how annoying she is. Which is why I also don't find Jayfeather heartless or cold, like how other cats say he is, but in his mind, or even out of his mind, I can see how he truly cares for his Clanmates beneath that layer of standoffish-ness. But I have to agree, its frustration how it worked. How Bramble's attempts and everything worked out for him, and I feel so sorry for Squirrelflight.
@pikathemimikyu6655
@pikathemimikyu6655 3 жыл бұрын
Im in elementary school and I knew Brambkestar was being unfair at time, though I used to really like him. Not i see his true self.
@unripetheberrby6283
@unripetheberrby6283 3 жыл бұрын
Good good GOOD very good post here. oh my goodness I'm nearly at a lose for words. I'm sorry. Yes, strongly agree.
@CupRamenZ
@CupRamenZ 2 ай бұрын
Squilf: breathes in Brambleclaw’s general direction Brambleclaw: *And I took that personally*
@infrared953
@infrared953 2 жыл бұрын
"Everything I do feels wrong at the moment". I knew I was in an abusive relationship, but I realized how real my experience is when I heard this line. I've always felt this way. I grew up feeling this way (parent abuser). It seems hard to believe squirrlflights experience wasn't intentional. I didn't notice all of this when I read the books, just like I never realized I was being abused my whole life up until recently. I wish the books could offer an answer
@feveraven
@feveraven 3 жыл бұрын
they really had to make ashfur go turbo and try to kill 4 cats so brambleclaw would look better in comparison 😭😭
@lpsruby-8182
@lpsruby-8182 3 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU
@scaredstiff7176
@scaredstiff7176 3 жыл бұрын
this comment made me burst out laughing LOL because everyone knows it's true 😹
@movedtocupowarriors4205
@movedtocupowarriors4205 3 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU FOR COMMENTING THIS.
@krybutterworth2456
@krybutterworth2456 3 жыл бұрын
It's really sad to think that they went that far to make Brambleclaw "look good." It really shows that they knew he was terrible, but found a lazy way out of it.
@humangarbage3019
@humangarbage3019 3 жыл бұрын
@Wowie Zowie why are you everywhere
@axelf9947
@axelf9947 3 жыл бұрын
The worst part is that the writers didn't even intend for this to happen. They genuinely thought they were making Bramblestar sympathetic and likable. Oof.
@jayfeatherthesnarkymedicin8160
@jayfeatherthesnarkymedicin8160 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but it’s pretty hard to like and be sympathetic towards him if they keep writing him like that.
@axelf9947
@axelf9947 3 жыл бұрын
@@jayfeatherthesnarkymedicin8160 yeah, that's what I'm saying lol
@jayfeatherthesnarkymedicin8160
@jayfeatherthesnarkymedicin8160 3 жыл бұрын
@@axelf9947 Yeah, I got that xD
@jayfeatherthesnarkymedicin8160
@jayfeatherthesnarkymedicin8160 3 жыл бұрын
@Wowie Zowie True lol
@abigailw7146
@abigailw7146 3 жыл бұрын
Wowie Zowie *twigbranch*
@gracieporter8857
@gracieporter8857 3 жыл бұрын
The fact that warrior cats and moonkitti has taught me more about abuse than school has
@painslut
@painslut 2 жыл бұрын
Squilf deserves a girlfriend, a boyfriend, a non-binary partner- hell not even obligatory a lover but someone who's really present in her life, treat her right and love her in any way (as romantic love isn't the only option)
@silkfeatherrr4424
@silkfeatherrr4424 2 жыл бұрын
edit: guys i know that they are cousins please stop telling me. i was very tired when i wrote this post and i was not thinking very clearly sadly i dont think gf or non binary partner is going to happen because the editors dont want that to happen (because they want it to be published in places where that probably wont be accepted) anyway if i had to choose anyone for that i would choose whitewing.. they were apprentices together! cmon..
@hyalophora
@hyalophora 2 жыл бұрын
@@silkfeatherrr4424 someone else who thinks Whitewing is a good choice! I like it
@emo_grinch_440
@emo_grinch_440 2 жыл бұрын
@@hyalophora Aww whitewing is so cute * adds to daisy, squilf, twanypelt, and now her ship*
@honeybumblebee9274
@honeybumblebee9274 2 жыл бұрын
Not to be that guy but Squirrelflight and Whitewing are literally cousins
@hyalophora
@hyalophora 2 жыл бұрын
@@honeybumblebee9274 I'm well aware, but to be honest, with Warriors I don't care about characters being related anymore. It might sound strange but... yeah, after properly looking at some family trees, incest in Warriors doesn't phase me a bit. Sorry if you don't like that, I don't really enjoy it either /g
@thefiretailedweasel6206
@thefiretailedweasel6206 3 жыл бұрын
But the fact that the whole abusive behavior was unintentional does kind of alarm me, bcs like Spottedleaf's book, they're portraying a dangerous, toxic relationship as normal or even "uwu quirky uwu" It makes me worry for the Erins and wonder if these are relationships that they have been or are currently in. It makes me wonder if they think these sorts of relationships are normal and what that could mean for them. Eh...never met your idols, I guess.
@deedeedan8681
@deedeedan8681 3 жыл бұрын
What relationship are you talking about from Spottedleaf's book? (Literally didnt even know there was a book for her so I know nothing about any of it 😭😭)
@thefiretailedweasel6206
@thefiretailedweasel6206 3 жыл бұрын
@@deedeedan8681 between Spottedpaw (little spottedleaf) and Thistleclaw. Moonkitti did a video on it. Edit: it's this one: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/otKootaBybHXqn0.html
@deedeedan8681
@deedeedan8681 3 жыл бұрын
@@thefiretailedweasel6206 just watched and jeeeeeeeeeesus christ on a stick that is a MESS
@thefiretailedweasel6206
@thefiretailedweasel6206 3 жыл бұрын
@@deedeedan8681 yeah
@anoushkashenoy692
@anoushkashenoy692 3 жыл бұрын
but you’re missing the point. spottedleaf’s heart was clearly a take on pedophillia, otherwise vicky wouldn’t have used it as reasoning as to why he went to the dark forest. the REAL issue with spottedleaf’s heart was *how* it resolved. spotted x thistle was intended abuse, squirrel x bramble wasn’t, but they’re both badly written.
@manatee4578
@manatee4578 3 жыл бұрын
Me: casually doing school Moonkitti: *Bramblestar is Worse* Me: OH HECK YEAH *procrastination session*
@fishfood1866
@fishfood1866 3 жыл бұрын
squirrelflight: we need to help the sisters bramblestar: WHO CARES IF A FEW TREES ARE DYING
@R4WRY_Creepy_Claws
@R4WRY_Creepy_Claws 3 жыл бұрын
You just made me picture bramblestar as the onceler and I'm actually physically crying I'm anticipating when he'll show up and axe my family
@fishfood1866
@fishfood1866 3 жыл бұрын
good that's what I want
@fishfood1866
@fishfood1866 3 жыл бұрын
@@R4WRY_Creepy_Claws jk i meant picturing him as the onceler not your fam being murdered
@emilymonahan5232
@emilymonahan5232 3 жыл бұрын
CRYING, shAKING, CRYING AGAIN
@fishfood1866
@fishfood1866 3 жыл бұрын
save some tears for the rest of us, yeesh, and you think with the water shortages going around a person would know better
@SoloQueueSuffering
@SoloQueueSuffering 4 ай бұрын
10:50 The best way to describe what Ashfur and Squirellflight had by this point (imo) is what Firestar and Sandstorm had between Forest of Secrets and the final part of Dangerous Path. They were not actively "dating" and still argued frequently, but their affection for each other was not hidden at all by the writers.
@wes1759
@wes1759 3 жыл бұрын
The way Warriors treats its female characters in general is just very bad.
@zippyshuman1464
@zippyshuman1464 3 жыл бұрын
I was going to write that Mistystar is the exception but- that's right she was trapped in a rotting hole and almost starved to death. Wow I never realized that... All the strong female characters (except Sandstorm (?)) either end up uncharacteristically grouchy (Mousefur) or have some sort of traumatic experience in their lives. (Mistystar, Mothwing, Leopardstar, Bluestar, Hollyleaf, Ivypool, Yellowfang, Sorreltail, Spottedleaf (though SL wasn't that independent)... the list goes on) oh and let's not forget about Willowpelt who was killed off for no apparent reason and then never gets mentioned again
@mckaylamarille8630
@mckaylamarille8630 3 жыл бұрын
@@zippyshuman1464 Holy shit you're right. What's up with that?!
@oliwkaz5173
@oliwkaz5173 3 жыл бұрын
@@zippyshuman1464 So was Shrewpaw, Rainwhisker, Runnigwind, Hazeltail, Whiethroat, Foxleap, Mudfur, Brindleface, Molepaw, Tadpole...
@Oakhaze
@Oakhaze 3 жыл бұрын
This comment made me think about Daisy and Spiderleg’s relationship ship
@axelf9947
@axelf9947 3 жыл бұрын
Ivypool is Good. I think that's about it, to be honest.
@SnowEarDraws
@SnowEarDraws 3 жыл бұрын
erins: try making the tigerstar and firetsar bloodline together what happens: a abusive relashionship
@fronniecoded
@fronniecoded 3 жыл бұрын
makes sense
@mckaylamarille8630
@mckaylamarille8630 3 жыл бұрын
This is why I now ship Mothpool
@princerufioh
@princerufioh 3 жыл бұрын
@@mckaylamarille8630 how to _properly_ mix the firestar and tigerstar bloodline together.
@mckaylamarille8630
@mckaylamarille8630 3 жыл бұрын
@@princerufioh You're not wrong.
@luker2935
@luker2935 Жыл бұрын
You know she's serious when she doesn't draw Ashfur with long blonde hair
@BuzzoBeee
@BuzzoBeee 5 ай бұрын
Fr
@jittercritter
@jittercritter 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly I’m pretty sick of ppl who don’t know how to write relationships forcing relationships into their stories. If you can’t write relationships… then either learn or just don’t. Stories don’t have to have romance to be good 🤦‍♀️
@snxwy3634
@snxwy3634 3 жыл бұрын
“don’t you love me anymore?” Squirrelflight throughout the books has consistently proven to be an honest, direct, and literally one of the least under-handed characters of them all (setting aside when she lied for Leafpool, that’s basically the one exception), so it def struck me as her genuinely needing an answer to that question.
@humangarbage3019
@humangarbage3019 3 жыл бұрын
I have to say,I genuinely believe the answer to that question is no,the way he’s been acting recently just sets this in stone,I could go on and on about all the times he was shown to be abusive and how that shows that he doesn’t love her,but it would be a waste,you’ve already watched the video.
@stopreadingthisusername9528
@stopreadingthisusername9528 3 жыл бұрын
And to be fair on that Leafpool bit, Starclan basically guilt tripped her into taking those kits so really she had no choice in the matter whatsoever.
@starvoltnexus3139
@starvoltnexus3139 3 жыл бұрын
@@stopreadingthisusername9528 And yet they purposely told her to leave Bramble claw out of the loop why
@thistle_flowers5018
@thistle_flowers5018 3 жыл бұрын
@Human Garbage I don’t know which would be worse- that he doesn’t love her at all, or that he does love her and still treats her like this
@starvoltnexus3139
@starvoltnexus3139 3 жыл бұрын
@@thistle_flowers5018 I honestly just treat it as character derailment
@carolinec_8650
@carolinec_8650 3 жыл бұрын
I hate how Warriors portrays females. It’s the only part of the series that I hate. She-cats are always paired off. They become dependent and weak. The Hunters don’t care -or don’t even realize they’re subjecting these characters to abusive relationships. I hope something changes. Edit: omg thank you guys! This is the most liked comment! Thank you guys for your comments. I agree with everyone- something needs to change! I’m going to try to make a vid about this on my channel :)
@kiekhoot2970
@kiekhoot2970 3 жыл бұрын
And make them extra naive to get them into a forbidden relationship and be taken by a dumb tom who don't feel empathy for others like bruh-- can't female characters have a good time for once-?
@Corviidei
@Corviidei 3 жыл бұрын
Also it’s really strange how they’re called “she-cats” and not Mollies. Like, usually in animal fiction they either call the characters she- and he-, or they use the gendered terms for the animal in question. I always found it a bit questionable how warriors mixed em like that.
@petalleaf2808
@petalleaf2808 3 жыл бұрын
@@kiekhoot2970 Isn't that only Leafpool and Crowfeather? And maybe Fallowtail and Reedfeather? Asides from that, I thought Oakheart, Tigerheartstar, and Graystripe were emphatic mates that are toms.
@carolinec_8650
@carolinec_8650 3 жыл бұрын
@@Corviidei True XD
@carolinec_8650
@carolinec_8650 3 жыл бұрын
@@kiekhoot2970 omg ikr???
@user-gi3cj2uw7d
@user-gi3cj2uw7d 2 жыл бұрын
This video made me realize that I had abusive friendship and how wrong my parents treat me Sooo. Now I'm trying to heal. Thank you!
@jabisdumb
@jabisdumb 3 жыл бұрын
The barely audible steadying breath you had to take at 52:09 before “why are you doing this to me?” is really heartbreaking and makes it clear just how fed up you were with this abusive, manipulative garbage cat.
@angelfelidae
@angelfelidae 3 жыл бұрын
hot take: squirrelflight didn’t really do anything wrong by breaking up with ashfur. sure it sucks for ashfur, being broken up with is of course super upsetting and unfortunate, but at the end of the day squirrelflight shouldn’t have to stay in a relationship she isn’t happy in just for ashfur’s (a full grown cat who most likely knew she may still have feelings for bramblestar) sake. it wouldn’t have been fair to either of them. i honestly think squirrelflight is better off single.
@gretel654
@gretel654 3 жыл бұрын
This honestly should not be an unpopular opinion. Of course Squirrelflight can break up with Ashfur whenever she pleases - that's literally how relationships work. People break up all the time because they don't think it'll work out. The fact that people seriously try to fault Squirrelflight for ~wronging~ Ashfur is ridiculous and frankly, concerning.
@angelfelidae
@angelfelidae 3 жыл бұрын
@@gretel654 THANK YOU!
@tunaramen
@tunaramen 3 жыл бұрын
God thank you for saying this. I'm so tired of people portraying Squilf as a villain for breaking Ashfur's heart when reality she never meant to hurt him and even tried being friends with him afterward. The fact that this is a hot take just tells you a lot about the fandom ://
@angelfelidae
@angelfelidae 3 жыл бұрын
@@tunaramen i’m so relieved to know there are others who believe squirrelflight shouldn’t be portrayed as heartless for ending things with ashfur. i was honestly nervous to share my thoughts because i genuinely can’t remember ever seeing anyone in this fandom defend her for doing so. squilf deserves better :(
@vicmorgana5516
@vicmorgana5516 3 жыл бұрын
@CLAIRE HETZLER I believe that too. Unfortunately, Stormfur would never have gone for it even though he liked her during the journey to find Midnight. He was so against Crowpaw and Feathertail being together and he knew better than to try to be with a cat from another Clan.
@pebblesgum
@pebblesgum 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like bramblestar wasted squirrelflight's life
@purple6242
@purple6242 3 жыл бұрын
YESSS And it's soo sad bc Squirrelflight could've done so much
@megara83
@megara83 3 жыл бұрын
@@purple6242 chill, she won’t die tomorrow 🤣
@tigerdiamond2486
@tigerdiamond2486 3 жыл бұрын
@@megara83 she almost did tho
@megara83
@megara83 3 жыл бұрын
@@tigerdiamond2486 lmao
@alexander-zy7nt
@alexander-zy7nt 3 жыл бұрын
@@megara83 yeah she could still live for way more books, i mean look at graystripe hfks
@sooshwa4180
@sooshwa4180 Жыл бұрын
So basically, Squilf was a bratty apprentice and a great warrior, and Bramblestar was a great app and an bratty Warrior.
@Littlefox1213
@Littlefox1213 Жыл бұрын
Oh god-
@BugsyBugYT
@BugsyBugYT Жыл бұрын
dun dun dun
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