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@stopthefomo Ай бұрын
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@stopthefomo Ай бұрын
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@lvproductionsinc9748 Ай бұрын
Fomo Sony developed the LED driver. Sony has stated this. It is in house only.
@stopthefomo Ай бұрын
Sony may have designed it in-house but a contract panel manufacturer is producing it which means partners are required and fees must be negotiated - I don’t believe Sony is willing to pay for the entire cost of tooling for such a small production run. It’s like when LG cross licensed acoustic surface glass with Sony for exclusivity initially
@user-oq6sc1qm4j Ай бұрын
TCL most likely copied it, they are a chinese company we know pirating is their thing.
@RealLifeTech187 Ай бұрын
@@user-oq6sc1qm4jthe US, Germany and France all industrialized by "stealing" UK tech. Learning from others is a human thing. And before you even say it: Yes they did it just as blatantly as China is now.
@lvproductionsinc9748 Ай бұрын
@@stopthefomo Sony has stated they partnered with Sony’s semiconductor business to develop the chip in house. Whatever else in relation to the panel isn’t mentioned anywhere, but they def stated the chip was made in house.
@Swecan76 Ай бұрын
@@stopthefomo No you are wrong and this should be reported as false information. The backlight system is completely separate from AUO and TCL etc. Sony has literally made circuit boards for decades, they have a semi-conductor in house development. They make Photography sensors, IC chips and all kinds of things. But you think they cant make one large backlight circuit board with Mini-LEDs and IC Drivers on it. The circuit boards with the XR processor etc is built by Sony. They put together and build the Sony Playstation for crying out loud. They designed the whole internal system by Sony engineers. Even if there is some plant mass producing it. It's completely beside the point. The way you speak is as though another company is involved in designing and making it.
@SpencersStuffTV Ай бұрын
TCL and Hisense are two companies who we can really thank. Tvs recently have show the exact reason we want good competition in the market. Everyone has to get better or they risk being left behind. Great coverage fomo
@Hln72 Ай бұрын
Hmm Maybe, but they are Chinese goverment funded/owned, and i know TCL recieved billions on money from the goverment. No wonder they sell cheap televisions.
@nimblegoat Ай бұрын
TCL is making Panasonic's miniLCDs. So kind of win win. You get panasonic /sony processing with maybe some extra heavy duty support in TV . TCL uses their production knowledge to do their own. Sony and Panasonic small players in the market. miniLCD , OLEDs, QDOLEDS only make up say 5% of total market. LCD still reign supreme. Japonese companies need to offload capital investment, given volatile markets going forward. Think BOE also make screens for other big players.
@rct8884 Ай бұрын
Agree completely
@sunshinecycling Ай бұрын
We need a non-organic, self-emissive TV in normal sizes. Micro-LED was one of the pathways. Since it's all but dead, perhaps QNED or something else will come. OLED will always be organic and Mini-LED will never be self-emissive.
@undone14 Ай бұрын
I saw the Bravia 9 at BB. It is the best looking LED to be released. Above it was a Bravia 8. I preferred the image and viewing angles of the Bravia 8. I'll have to take another look but I still prefer OLED/QD OLED but it is definitely compelling for those that may not like OLED/scared of image retention or burn in. Im sensitive to ANY blooming and dont like the image washing out at an angle so the B9 wouldnt be for me. I have 3 WOLEDs/1 QD OLED and they are never at max brightness because I find them to be super bright, i cant imagine the B9 at home!
@ADISTOD3MUS Ай бұрын
Well you might want to try the QN95D....... there is no such thing as blooming anymore in that TV at least if you don't want to watch your TV from 180% which nobody does and the black level is insanely close to the best QD OLED in the market. Fanboys are sleeping over Samsung minileds and they just talk about Sony as if there is no other TV company in the world. 🥴
@tundrusphoto4312 Ай бұрын
Decades ago, a company called Granada TV would lease you a TV. The company eventually disappeared. but the idea is now back.
@user-oq6sc1qm4j Ай бұрын
I hope nobody is dumb enough to do this, you can no longer pay for the tv you lose it just buy what you can afford.
@brucethen Ай бұрын
Here in the UK I think we had several TV rental companies when I was a kid. Our local one was called "Visionhire" and we rented TVs from them for years.
@michael-4k4000 Ай бұрын
I like the idea. Always wonder what everyone does with there existing TV. But it might not even be necessary, I still have a LG B7 55" oled that has about 7,000 hours on it and looks great. I have never had a 7 year old tv look this good. No burn in, has some slight image retention, but that series was known to have imagine retention. the newer models are much better. Check out the specs of the LG B7 on ratings, they still hold up. And only paid $1,200 for that tv.
@michael-4k4000 Ай бұрын
@@user-oq6sc1qm4j good point. I think this is more for the higher end models. where you don't want to drop $6k on a tv today, calculate in opportunity cost, and a lease is a smart move. Maybe $100/m for 5 years or $200/m for 3 years. Still better than dropping $5k or $6k in one place. Well I am assuming the difference is being invested, which is probably a bad assumption.
@user-oq6sc1qm4j Ай бұрын
@@michael-4k4000 There is no reason to upgrade an oled tv if you watch in a light control room, the lastest most expensive oled tvs offer more brightness to fight glare in a bright room. Its better to own your stuff because you dont know what the future holds and if you can no longer pay for something you lose it ,plus with the interest you end up paying more than twice the value of a depreciating asset.
@444chroma Ай бұрын
Yep all of these stories are connected. TV sales in decline due to economy....microLED officially dead for now because there is just no path to make it affordable. And MiniLED receiving new advancements because there are higher margins to be had there
@George-hl2xm Ай бұрын
I can afford it but I’m not sure I really want to spend that kind of money on a tv geez
@Barbarapape Ай бұрын
Many years ago in the 70's (Yes i am that old !) most TV's were rented. When the first colour sets arrived they were way too expensive for most people to buy, so they rented, this ensured that when not if the tv failed it would be repaired or replaced with a newer model free of charge. With the crazy prices of todays must have very large expensive models then leasing one makes a lot of sense. Plus as predicted the panel tech will be way better in a few years time making paying thousands for one now a waste of money.
@skyelineblue Ай бұрын
This tv does not need to be brighter . It’s already very bright. 😅
@nadasaka1 Ай бұрын
What we need now is a mini LED LCD TV with better viewing angle performance.
@ADISTOD3MUS Ай бұрын
Why? You watch your movies/shows from the corner of your saloon or room?🥴
@RedPillAlways Ай бұрын
I still have to say coming from an LG C1 and going to an LG C3 has been a truly remarkable experience. Don't get me wrong the LG C1 was a great TV. But the much better Upscaling picture quality features and most of all the brightness of the LG C3 has been actually remarkable. Going back and watching Game of Thrones Aquaman1 an 2 Avatar 1 an 2 Godzilla and Kong movies ect ect(4K Blu-ray) and playing games like Spider-Man Spider-Man 2 God of War/ Ragnarok Avatar frontiers of Pandora Resident Evil 4 SW Jedi Survivor The Last of Us Part 1 and 2 ect ect has just been absolutely positively wonderful. Even the Digital streaming of SDR 1080p is absolutely remarkable on the LG C3 and 4K HDR/DV is beautiful.. I got to realize how much I was actually missing out on, even though the LG C1 is a great TV the LG C3 has just been miles better. I'm 100% fully content now for the next 5 years
@MichaelsHomeCooking Ай бұрын
Humm hoping that Europe will help with sagging sales? Inflation is way WORSE over there.
@NickMartelli Ай бұрын
I thought of tv subscriptions years ago!
@JesuS1836-h5i Ай бұрын
If Sony released B9 65 inch in uk 🇬🇧, Everyone would buy it ! 🙈.
@Derek.Mitchell Ай бұрын
Anyone else having audio problems? I’m hearing a lot of static
@ICEMAN40CA Ай бұрын
Woah, laughing at those with cheapo tvs, karma's a bitch
@michaelwyckoff7593 Ай бұрын
Nvidia Shield for me now I'm disappointed with Roku lately.😂
@sj460162 Ай бұрын
That Bravia 9 looks hot!
@chrispomplun1511 Ай бұрын
Fomo will 8k be big/ mainstream in 4 years ?
@stopthefomo Ай бұрын
No, until there’s legit 8K streaming content it’s not happening
@bungalowtomcat1 Ай бұрын
TCL QM851 Firmware UPDATE for all SIZES What does it Fix ??? and Does it Really make things BETTER ???
@AaronFigFront Ай бұрын
BTW, The miniled on the MacBook pro 14” debuted a few years ago is very similar to Bravia.
@michael-4k4000 Ай бұрын
Love you FOMO! Picked up an A95L 55" about a month ago. you were all right it's excellent. But none of my family said a word about the picture, we have a couple of LG C series OLED's and I don't think they can tell the difference or they don't care. But I can, its not night or day by any means, but the way sony processes content its really amazing. It's almost like information is added somehow. The Bravia 9 looks amazing and this will be a big hit. Sony will probably keep the B9 in 2025. Don't see why they need to upgrade every year.
@Swecan76 Ай бұрын
They can outsource building/assembling their backlight panel to ANY factory out there that does custom jobs. All they need are the specifications. You know shockingly little about things you talk about. It's a circuit board and it has miniLEDs on it and IC drivers. That's about it. They would have 65/75/85 specification of size and it's designed in house and they start with making prototypes and they developed the IC driver in-house via their Sony Semiconductor solutions group. Just another thing you clearly didn't know. But they said it loud and proud over and over again. I guess you didn't listen. You see something from TCL, I saw that 6 months ago BTW so good job being WAY late to the party. These TCL demos existed a long time. Just because they are similar doesn't mean TCL makes Sony backlight panels. That would be asinine to think. This is literally THE standout difference for Sony and you think they would hand it to TCL? Or that TCL invented and made it. Shame.... Who do you think makes the MILLIONS of Playstation 1,2,3,4 and 5 consoles? TCL? Sony designs them and whether they have their own assembly factories or outsource them doesn't matter. They design and built the prototype templates with all the custom parts that go with it. AMD supplies the SoC but even that one is custom built and changed according to what Sony wants. Sony makes Camera sensors and tons of IC chips. They made computer laptops. They have expertise in circuit boards going back decades. They even have their own plants. Don't make videos and frame them as some discovery and pass it off as some truth when you clearly haven't even researched anything about it. You see some OLD video that TCL has demonstrated tons of times before about THEIR backlight version and because it looks similar You go and make an insane claim that TCL makes these for Sony. What the hell. Fomo DO BETTER... This backlight is Sony In-house developed including the IC drivers which is THE LITERAL reason they said they NOW can make these backlight panels and increase the Zone counts. Were you sleeping when they presented this news.
@paulgross682 Ай бұрын
Great info as always. You and Brian are best in class. You have talked about off angle viewing on the Bravia 9 65” but it has been mentioned the 85” has a wider view angle because of the size. Am I understanding that correctly and if so can you give an angle estimate for the B9 85” for good viewing?
@Swecan76 Ай бұрын
No this is TERRIBLE "info" because he is 100% wrong. He doesn't even know what he is talking about.
@andyvecchiarelli2998 Ай бұрын
QM8 2025 WITH 8K/144hz AND 8000 NITS !!
@DaKrawnik Ай бұрын
I still have Action Smoothing available on my 43S450R-CA manufactured May 2024 after getting all software updates then resetting the connection to kill Wifi and use CCwGTV 4K instead.
@dsoprano13 Ай бұрын
Flagship TVs are cool but why are there no TCL QM7 reviews?? It's more than likely the TV they will sell the most yet not a single review anywhere.
@stopthefomo Ай бұрын
It’s an automatic winner 🏅no reviews necessary but I might do it before BF
@UhhhhhnooOOo00oO Ай бұрын
QM8 85" from 2023 is 1399 dollars. Hisense cookies aren't removable from devices.
@BoycherMcKay Ай бұрын
Hi FOMO Can you please do a video on the Hisense C1 4K UHD Triple Color RGB Laser Portable Projector
@michael-4k4000 Ай бұрын
Sony might have made a deal that they are the only ones that can use this tech for a 2 or 3 years. Then whomever makes the panels can sell to everyone. Kinda like Apple did with the iPhone when it was first released on ATT for the first 5 years. FYI, the X95L didn't have this tech, and was the best LCD TV ever made, its hard to imagine the the Bravia 9 being that much better then the X95L.
@Swecan76 Ай бұрын
No it's their OWN backlight they developed it and make it. FOMO has no clue what he is talking about.
@PietroPizzi Ай бұрын
It's really sad that they can't make the uLEDs cheaper faster :(! OLED will never be as robust and bright at very high full-field brghtness for day-time viewing and LED will never have that "star field impact", 3D-depth and gaming responsetimes which we love (except the EU looks away for the dual-cell energy consumption). I hoped, maybe in a year I replace my 65" C7 with the B9 in 85" for 4k€, and my next TV in another 6-9 years could be an 130" uLED for ~5-6k€ (which then should last 10 year or so)... so it looks like, that's not gonna happen ;(...
@craigosterberg5045 Ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing
@TheEgzi Ай бұрын
Will there be a good gaming 42 from Sony this year?
@johnspelman8976 Ай бұрын
Braving 9 price is ridiculous
@don.timeless4993 22 күн бұрын
the roku update 🤦♂
@D65Cinder11HDR Ай бұрын
I'm still waiting for the perfect t. V😭😭😭😭😭
@mariosmichael837 Ай бұрын
Samsung qn900ct 8k or Bravia 9 ?
@EJRACE76 Ай бұрын
A95L for life!!
@michaelwyckoff7593 Ай бұрын
Hey, FOMO😊
@michaelwyckoff7593 Ай бұрын
RAC rentals leases TVS
@stopthefomo Ай бұрын
Do they lease premium models too?
@michaelwyckoff7593 Ай бұрын
@@stopthefomo some of them
@mariosmichael837 Ай бұрын
Samsung Qn900ct 8k or bravia 9????
@Alex335i Ай бұрын
So TCL x955 has the tech like Bravia 9 and they didn’t even market it. Or at least not until now? But in Europe this model is out for almost a year. It’s a really good tv bit need the extra processing spice. Give it 2 years and we all will have 115” heaven 😊
@stopthefomo Ай бұрын
Only on the 115” has it so it’s a limited release
@robertlawrence9000 Ай бұрын
Motion smoothing is a good thing. More frames, more better.
@PercyTheWolf Ай бұрын
That is not real frames, it just blends together the previous frame with the next frame so yeah I guess that’s more frames but it is certainly not “more better”
@mgaming7 Ай бұрын
Fomo, I went to BB. I can't get that Bravia 9 brightness out of my head. Every bone in my body says A96L, but I can get 85" Brav 9 for same price as 77" a95L. what should I do?
@martinpratley4632 Ай бұрын
I'm in the same boat but leaning towards the A95l as I went to see it in person and the picture quality is outstanding and I just can't see the b9 matching it
@mgaming7 Ай бұрын
@@martinpratley4632 and I 100% agree. The A95L is superior but we are talking a 1% difference in color volume and being able to go 85" I am just afraid I might regret it after I get it home. such a difficult decision. After watching Brian show just how close the two are, I kind of sort of want that 85" size. but love OLED inky blacks..... I might have to flip a coin to decide
@martinpratley4632 Ай бұрын
@mgaming7 hard decision for sure but probably can't go wrong with either. All the best and enjoy your choice once made
@psifiguy Ай бұрын
Consider what you will be watching. Is it physical media or streaming "4k" compressed or the demo stuff? What aspect ratio is the stuff you're watching? If you game, is the latency an issue and do you care about the viewing angle? I'm looking at both sets but at 65" vs 75". I'm hoping to get to see both sets this weekend and will be bringing some physical media to watch on both sets and will check the settings to make sure one isn't set up to make things look worse on 1 set. At the moment I'm leaning towards bravia 9 because it's bigger, don't care about viewing angles or latency. And my oled has some burn in. I'm with you on the blooming. Good luck with your decision.
@mgaming7 Ай бұрын
@@psifiguy I will be using KZfaqTV for my TV show watching ( I did pay for the 4k and 1080P hit bit rate) I also watch movies but mostly thru all the streaming apps like Netflix, MAX etc. I will be sitting Directly in front of it so viewing angle will not be an issue. I am going to buy a GOOD 4K player. I started collecting up 4K HDR blue rays etc. But I watch TV mostly. movies some,
@GameAGuy Ай бұрын
Can I get a Samsung 75 in 4k tv with 120 refresh rate and 3 hdmi inputs around 1000$ ??
@michaelbeckerman7532 Ай бұрын
Nope.
@GameAGuy Ай бұрын
@@michaelbeckerman7532 how about 1200$
@Swecan76 Ай бұрын
Why would Sony allow TCL to have access to the LITERAL thing that makes Sony TV standout from TCL? Please just STOP.... It's painful. TCL DOES NOT GIVE SONY AN EXCLUSIVE RIGHT. It is SONY's OWN development and design and patent FOR CRYING OUT LOUD.... STOP it!!!!!! Sony developed the IC driver , IC stands for "Integrated Circuit" since you don't seem to know what it is or who made it. Sony made it and it's very tiny. It's all just on a large plastic circuit board designed IN HOUSE with MiniLEDs in the thousands and many of these IC drivers. Any factory can make it for Sony. They get handed custom specs and say can you make this for us. Sony likely does that in house as well. Did you forget Sony makes Playstation. That they make Cameras? They literally develop sensors and IC chips. But it would be too hard and expensive for Sony to assemble a plastic circuit board with their own IC drivers? What's next are you saying TCL is also literally making the Bravia 9 TV? The cabinet, the plastic, the housing and ALL of it. Of course not. So who does that FOMO? Who builds these TVs? It's Sony and their factories or 3rd party factories that assemble it. THAT is how they have their own backlight. The LCD panels is a TOTALLY separate panel that gets sandwiched in front of the backlight. There are other layers as well as quantum dot film and polarizers. Stop doing these speculations that just stem from total lack of knowledge and pure assumptions and conjectures based on things "you saw".
@michaelfoster3441 Ай бұрын
The way sony was saling it is that they created it
@michaelbeckerman7532 Ай бұрын
Sony DID create it. It was THEIR engineers that designed it. Like was said in the video, Sony is no longer in the panel manufacturing business themselves. So, they partner with several other panel manufacturers to build their panels. Of course, they are going to do technology licensing deals with those manufacturers as part of their cooperative partnerships.
@Swecan76 Ай бұрын
Because they did. Fomo is totally wrong. He is completely ignorant about it and now spreading misinformation.
@Swecan76 Ай бұрын
@@michaelbeckerman7532 That is LCD panel. Backlight is totally separate from LCD panels. Sony developed and MAKES these backlight panels. FOMO is full of it and shockingly misinformed. He sees something similar and with his ignorance makes videos and pretend "ah it looks similar so Sony doesn't make it". Yet he has no clue that Sony has a Semiconductor arm that makes the IC drivers. Not only that Sony designs tons of chips and electronics. Maybe an outsourced factory assembles the backlight NOT TCL. But that is just an assembly plant that would build things based on specifications. Dime a dozen. How does people think all the devices and stuff gets made? All by TCL LOL....
@michaelbeckerman7532 Ай бұрын
@@Swecan76 right and I get that the panel, the backlight system and the backlight controller are all three very different things. Each of those things can have a designer that is entirely separate from its manufacture. Understood.
@WhatTheHex Ай бұрын
22bit backlight adjustment is just marketing bs.. even 8bit (256 levels) in backlight is enough as top of that there is 10bit lcd levels (for each r,g,b) Zone level backlight control are not a new thing, they have never been on/off type... sure some are bit laggy (soc level thing..) but still.. sure Sony did good job but it is not a new idea. It is just incredible that reviewers fall into simple marketing bs... next year, 100bit backlight control!!!??
@Swecan76 Ай бұрын
Wrong. 8-bit is not enough. It's 10 bit LCD panel and 12-bit PWM. It's processing for speed and various light level gradients with thousands of miniLEDs in thousands of zones. There is a reason TCL with their 6-bit PWM and 10-Bit LCD doesn't have the same gradient levels of light. They use more zones instead. Sony uses the "LIGHT" so to speak. They dim it in lets for example say 100 stages. The TCL does it in 10 stages. It's different solutions. LCD panels have crystals that let light through or block it. It works in tandem with the backlight. Technically the light could be 100% on at all times. Which is how it used to work and the LCD crystals do the rest. But that is Native contrast and hence not very good, light leakage happens a lot. Zones helps with that by turning OFF the light in large areas. Now with MiniLED they not only turn on and off areas. They also do different light levels. Smaller zones, numerous levels of light from off to very little to full blast. This creates this sort of image in the backlight itself hence with the tandem of the LCD crystals create a much better contrast, and black level. 8 bit only allows for a certain amount of operations. Higher bit allows for more. This is why TCL has less gradient light levels and focus more on "brute force" of MORE zones. But they lose the fine tuning.
@WhatTheHex Ай бұрын
@@Swecan76 No, you are wrong, I'm pretty sure that you or anyone else can not tell difference if ld area is set in level 220 or 221, just try it in ms paint or whatever ... pwm or any way they produce end result does not matter..
@Swecan76 Ай бұрын
@@WhatTheHex Just stop. You have no clue what you're on about. MS paint are you serious lol.
@WhatTheHex Ай бұрын
@@Swecan76 Looks like you have not familar with numbers, what 8bit, 256 levels mean and how one level step up/down looks like.. even ms paint can create that demonstration for you.
@ccnp2009 Ай бұрын
I will buy micro LED once the price reach $5000. That’s the most I will pay for 85 inch tv.
@Adrianek81 Ай бұрын
Good idea but what size we get for $5k? Maybe 48 or 55 max☹️
@micker9830 Ай бұрын
Micro LED will probably never get released. There will be better technology, before it would ever be ready for consumers.
@ccnp2009 Ай бұрын
@@Adrianek81 I know right it will probably not be worth it to but. Micro led for a 55 inch tv. Currently I am in the market to replace my Nanocell 85 inch tv from 2021.
@ccnp2009 Ай бұрын
@@micker9830 honestly for gaming I like mini LED and for the bedroom I like QD-OLED/OLEDs. Mini-LED tv are more cost effective for my budget
@Adrianek81 Ай бұрын
@@ccnp2009 i see,you stay with LG or you think about something else?
@jereaaltonen3655 Ай бұрын
Everybody in europe ,go with the philips oled +909 or 959. Any thoughts?
@stopthefomo Ай бұрын
Generally OLED TVs look great
@jereaaltonen3655 Ай бұрын
@@stopthefomo Yep. Gotta wait for reviews. I think Vincent is only one of you PROS who can review those . He is Brittish, right?
@lacmcasares8755 Ай бұрын
Bravo Roku. Congratulations for the Soap opera effect. Many of the People of supposed to be influencers, think that " The film maker mode or the Director intention " is something awesome, and is NOT. Please understand it guys people likes the soap opera effect. NO TO THE FILM MAKER MODE. ROKU and Hisense understood the message
@klaymatic3751 Ай бұрын
I despise soap opera effect and radio active colors.
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