More short videos at www.gsegmedia.com. A frequent question is what is the difference between brazing and welding. This short video demonstrates gas welding and brazing mild hot rolled steel.
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@hidros14613 ай бұрын
Im 28yo been welding intermediate for 5yrs in the industrial mfg field. Today was the first time I ever heard of brazing. Thank you for the video!
@wehrewulf3 ай бұрын
Huh? WTF.
@tejeshvaish173 жыл бұрын
I am happy that you are still here , helping people . Thank you George
@8974733 жыл бұрын
Thanks for commenting, Good to still be here. George Indexed categories of videos. gsegmedia.com/?page_id=4657
@dmur6126 жыл бұрын
As a professional HVAC tech and welder... It’s always been a pet peeve of mine when people interchange the terms brazing and welding and even sometimes calling it “braze welding”. The succinct difference between the 2. Brazing uses a filler rod, a DIFFERENT metal than the parent metal, that melts at a LOWER temp than the parent metal to join parent metal(s), think “gluing”. Welding uses filler rod, a majority of its composition being the SAME as the parent metal, requiring melting BOTH the filler AND parent metals to join parent metal(s). Basically making 2 pieces of metal 1. “Gas” welding is just a class of welding that uses ANY type of flammable gas (hydrocarbon), usually also requiring pure oxygen, to melt the metals using an open flame. BTW, Nice work George...
@8974736 жыл бұрын
David, yes terminology is a problem. So often we learn the wrong term and it sticks with us for life. I still call an adjustable wrench a Crescent wrench.
@israelnieves28175 жыл бұрын
Good information David
@andriyshapovalov88864 жыл бұрын
@@897473 There is no terminology problem. Its actually 3 things or I could say 4: welding, braize welding, brazing and soldering. The one you show is actually braze welding. Brazing requires tight clearances to take advantage of capillary attraction. To call it brazing you would have to buttit tight, preheat the joint and fill it in one or few points and let the brass FLOW....no dipping along the joint necessary. Its common industrial often automated process. For repairs though, like cracked castings you may not always able to use capillary advantage. So you may need to bevel the joint and welding technic to fill it up sometimes in a few passes...
@8974734 жыл бұрын
@@andriyshapovalov8886 Seriously: You should do a video on brazing and braze welding. You've explained the difference in one clear and concise paragraph. My concern is that if I tried to do the same I would just muddy the waters. It's too easy to overload the viewer, but you've made it simple and straight forward. Thanks, George-
@arayleche34684 жыл бұрын
@@andriyshapovalov8886 NO! you are wrong. In technical terms it is very clear that Welding is different from Brazing and also different form Soldering. To recap it all, again Welding is joining for example two Same Parent or Base metals using a filler metal (welding rod) with the same composition as that of the Base or Parent metals being joined together. On the other hand, Brazing is joining for example two Same Parent or Base metals using a Different metal with lower melting point as a Filler metal (brazing rod), and Soldering is the same principle as that of Brazing only that you are using a Different metal with a Much Lower melting point than that of a Brazing rod for example a Lead as a Soldering material. When you say Braze Welding that is absolutely Wrong! What you mean maybe is Braze Joining, or Weld Joining, or Solder Joining of Parent or Base metals. Also to add to this, Spacing or Gaps has nothing to do with the definition or differentiation of the Three processes. I know for sure because I am formally educated with these processes.
@89747310 жыл бұрын
John, "Informative, no nonsense" I'm going to use that on my tombstone. Thanks
@jerryanstey70584 жыл бұрын
yes.
@Themadfranklin6 жыл бұрын
Very informative and easy to understand. You have shown precisely what I have been trying to learn without the benefit of a shop teacher. Thanks for the well produced and thoughtful insight into the differences between the two. Try asking the average shop guy the difference and nobody seems to know the real answer.
@8974736 жыл бұрын
Franklin, thanks for viewing and commenting. Glad the video was helpful.
@ateammama211 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. I actually use soldering and brazing in jewelry making for much smaller scale sculpture and attachments. I appreciate your in depth explanation on the difference in strengths; as well as your appreciation for the artistic value a bronze brazing can add.
@89747310 жыл бұрын
Electric welding is either with the Mig, Tig or Arc welders. Today, gas welding is not used much in industry but oxygen acetylene welding is an important tool in the small shop or the home shop. You can both braze and weld using the oxygen acetylene torch.
@Spruce-Bug5 жыл бұрын
Is that because the oxyacetylene torch heats up too much? I guess if you were welding cast iron, the torch would be better than electric welders. keeping the pieces warm and slowing down the cooling process.
@nicholstop81614 жыл бұрын
I wanna learn to arc weld my dads got one but we can’t put it in our garage cuz it needs 3 phase
@Dra6nheart5 жыл бұрын
I'm currently in a SMAW class and it's nice to see some videos showing comparisons and slowing things down like this. Thank you.
@8974735 жыл бұрын
Thanks for commenting. Glad you like.
@robertsingleton11878 жыл бұрын
them hands have some miles on em
@8974738 жыл бұрын
+robert singleton Yes, these hands have served me well.
@8974738 жыл бұрын
+Stephen Bennett Stephen, it could be a number of things. Check you tip and be sure it is clean with no obstruction. Try changing your mixture of oxygen/acetylene. Example: Turn the knob so you get a bit more acetylene or oxygen. May have to increase the pressure at your regulators. May have to hold your torch in a different position so the sparks don't fly up into the torch tip. Maybe holding the torch too close to the work you are welding. Try varying the distance between the blue cone anyou are d the metal you are welding. Make small adjustments. If and adjustment increases the popping, try the opposite. Let me know how it works out.
@brendenbuck58114 жыл бұрын
That's how you know that he knows what he's talking about
@JohnHampton10 жыл бұрын
Informative, no nonsense presentation; and that voice - deep and succinct - a pleasure to listen to. Thank you.
@cyberdemigod13 жыл бұрын
This is exactly what I was looking for, great explanation and demonstration. I hope to see more videos so informative
@JohnSmith-bq1sj10 жыл бұрын
Very nice, clear to understand!!
@89747311 жыл бұрын
For specific situations there is nothing better than arc welding. For ease and convenience the Mig is without equal. The benefit of the oxy/ace torch is that it is so versatile. You can braze, silver solder, weld, cut, heat, anneal etc. Thanks for the comment!
@89747312 жыл бұрын
And thank you for watching!
@saintmichael3611 жыл бұрын
I'm sure I don't have to tell you this but you do a wonderful job on your work and explaining how to do everything in your instructional videos. Don't pay any attention to the negative comments you receive. That's the problem with the Internet. Cowards that make negative comments about someone's hard work don't have to take responsibility for things they say. Funny how what they say would change if they were standing in front of a class room. If your not here to learn from these videos, then
@dz299210 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I found your video very insightful!
@89747310 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment. I only use Mig for welding steel. I'll be anxious to hear about your results running silicon bronze.
@flash001USA10 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this simple straight forward tutorial.
@kensendelofski37615 жыл бұрын
Used to do this in welding class back in 1975 to 1977. Plan on starting again. Doing auto body work. Thanks for the video enjoyed it
@8974734 жыл бұрын
You might be as little rusty, but the skills you had then will come back with a little practice.
@noreservecars13 жыл бұрын
Looks like great fun. I've done some welding with a Henrob torch many years ago in an airplane building workshop. I never did get a chance to do it much, though. I always meant to go out and buy a torch. This looks awesome. I'll have to buy your videos and some equipment and go play. Thank you very much.
@darcymunro89304 жыл бұрын
I look at your work and see workers who are training people to have more knowledge about doing things that is more important than the technical people who know theories and do nothing. Keep up the great job you are doing.
@8974734 жыл бұрын
Thanks Darcy. Appreciate the comment.
@darcymunro89304 жыл бұрын
George Goehl How have you been going,I love your work ,and learn so much .keep Strong.
@not2fast4u2c12 жыл бұрын
thank you for this video I braze when I make my bicycle frames and can always learn more about it
@89747312 жыл бұрын
I thought I had a KZfaq video titled How Close to Hold the Torch. I am putting an older video up on KZfaq today. I think this will answer your question.
@89747311 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your comment.
@89747311 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the comment. Will try to keep them coming.
@Pete48752 жыл бұрын
You do a good job at gas welding, a lost art!
@cyberdemigod13 жыл бұрын
Also I forgot to mention, That is some mighty fine welding you have there sir.
@torcan197812 жыл бұрын
your video was very clear, helpful and interesting. thank you
@chriscas-ToolAficionado8 жыл бұрын
Another thank you for your informative video.
@89747311 жыл бұрын
I've never heard that. Most of the sculpture I do is clear coated (painted) either with a clear lacquer, clear acrylic or clear enamel. I've never had a problem with paint sticking to brazed joints. You may want to check with some auto body forums. Thanks for the question.
@patterm213 жыл бұрын
Yes, very informative piece...great pacing!
@whyturtleracer11 жыл бұрын
George, thank you for sharing your knowledge with the rest of us. In your gas welding show and tell, were the subject pieces cleaned of the mill scale? I noted that you placed much importance on cleaning to bare metal for the braze example. When you get time.Andy
@normanwjames12 жыл бұрын
Thanks for an excellent video! I had a question about brazing filler material: What is going to be the joint strength difference between using brass vs a high-content solder? I know there are perks to each (cost advantage to brass, lower melting temp for the solder), but what are the differences in strength? Thanks again!
@hellosamdwyer9 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video, thank you!
@xstraightedgefishingx11 жыл бұрын
Took a welding class last trimester and got the braze first try, as oppose to having a very hard time with Arc welding. Wish I could braze some more.
@dawnsherper21308 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video. It was clear and well done.
@8974738 жыл бұрын
+Dawn Sherper Dawn, thanks for viewing and your comments.
@crankcuffin72388 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your excellent informative video :)
@8974738 жыл бұрын
+Crank Cuffin Thanks Crank. Glad it worked for you. Thanks for viewing.
@89747311 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the comment.
@89747313 жыл бұрын
@tmtx7 I use copper, brass, bronze & steel. All those metals can be brazed to each other.
@skbrazing4 жыл бұрын
I like your explain about brazing and welding.
@8974734 жыл бұрын
Thanks for commenting. I'm doing a KZfaq video on a gas saver. Can you get me some information on the SK Brazing gas saver? Please send to: ggoehl@gmail.com
@89747311 жыл бұрын
Yes, I have get around to doing that.
@89747311 жыл бұрын
Yes, there definitely is a difference between Arc and brazing. It's often said that someone who can braze well is apt to pick up Tig welding fairly quickly.
@89747312 жыл бұрын
I thought I had a video titled How Close to Hold the Torch". I an=m uploading a copy that may better answer your question. If doesn't answer your question, let me know.
@89747310 жыл бұрын
You got me! I've never heard of these terms. You might try American Welding Society (AWS). They have a web site.
@Northeagle662 жыл бұрын
Very informative. Thanks !
@tomb3756 жыл бұрын
Great Video, Thank you.
@ClownWhisper Жыл бұрын
I absolutely love brazing I always have since I was a little kid in junior high first learning it I loved it and my teacher came up to me and took me aside and he said I have never seen any student is good at breezing as you he said don't tell anyone I told you I will deny it because he didn't want me to**** *** any of the other kids. But that teacher changed my life he made me feel like I could do something and I was good at something I had very low self esteem before that teacher took me aside and after he took me aside I felt like I could do anything that I set my mind out to doing he really made a difference in my life and I'll never forget him
@wilkbor5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video, which explains something I really didn't understand. My next question is that if welding is so much stronger than brazing, when would you use brazing as a preferred technique to connect two pieces of metal? Thanks again, KB.
@8974735 жыл бұрын
Gas welding most often refers to welding steel to steel. (Although there are exceptions). I use brazing when I want to attach copper to steel, copper to copper, copper to brass, copper to stainless.
@midgetman42062 жыл бұрын
More fuel options? I only know of 2 that can be used to weld (acetylene and hydrogen), but there are way more that can be used to braze and those also tend to be more affordable.
@89747311 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your comment. In the next week or so I am going to be doing a new KZfaq video on using the brazing process to add effects as opposed to just brazing to join two or more pieces of metal together. I'll be interested in your comment.
@DaveFer5 жыл бұрын
Hey George, great video. Thanks for taking the time to do it. Hope you don't mind a few naïve questions: 1. Does one need that welding torch to braze bronze on steel as in your example or can a normal gas torch be used (Bernzomatic)? 2. In your example, if you brazed both sides, wouldn't it substantially increase the strength? 3. Is it necessary to use bronze on steel? Can same technique/temperature be used with a steel rod on steel?
@8974735 жыл бұрын
There is not enough heat from a propane torch. I do not have a lot of experience with propane. You can anneal copper. Probably not enough heat to melt the brazing rod. Welding steel to steel takes more heat than brazing. You can increase the heat temperature with adding oxygen to propane. I have never used oxygen / propane so I'm not a good source for information. There are some videos you KZfaq for oxygen / propane brazing. Sorry I can't be more help.
@oc_villain38338 жыл бұрын
Great Video ! 👍
@8974738 жыл бұрын
+OC_VILLAIN Thanks for all your positive comments. George
@Atetus94 Жыл бұрын
Cool, very informative video 😉👍
@ozwylde15 жыл бұрын
Thanks George.
@89747311 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment. In this series there are over 90 free Videos. If you go to my web site you'll see the videos are in categories which makes them easier to find.
@ypaulbrown2 жыл бұрын
welldone George
@gossett033010 жыл бұрын
now that's a good weld both of them. Good vid.
@TheNuggetshooter12 жыл бұрын
George, you say above that the blue cone never touches the brazing rod. Then, whee do you put it to braze? Is the blue cone then behind the brazing rod? I am trying to figure out where to put the brazing rod into the flame to get it correctly positioned. Great Video. I will have to go back and review your DVD on this again. Always great videos and E books.
@mveledzofhedzisani61583 жыл бұрын
this is so much informative thanks
@8974733 жыл бұрын
Really appreciate you commenting. For more brazing and welding videos check out this link: gsegmedia.com/?page_id=4657
@89747310 жыл бұрын
Glad that was dome help!
@FixItAMIGO12 жыл бұрын
wonderful instructions :) a big thanks :)
@Ollayman10 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing this information !
@89747310 жыл бұрын
appreciate the comment. Look for more videos in the near future.
@2LateIWon14 жыл бұрын
great vid !!!
@vimaljks4 жыл бұрын
George u are the best.
@8974734 жыл бұрын
Thanks you. Was looking at that video and think it is time that I do that one again.
@89747310 жыл бұрын
Not exactly sure what you are referring to. There is a "gouging" tip that goes on a oxygen acetylene cutting torch for cutting out rivets. I've never used one so i am not a good source of information. "Sound Metal" again, I am not sure what you mean by "sound metal". Sorry, I am not much help for your question.
@onlyonemrxonlyonemry3064 жыл бұрын
I will never be as good as you.
@8974734 жыл бұрын
You got two years head start. i didn't start until I was 27. Embrace your mistakes, they are your best teacher.
@cryptapocalypse11 жыл бұрын
Very nice video, thanks!
@89747311 жыл бұрын
Difficult to say without seeing the weld. Things you might check: 1) changing your speed of movement as you progress through your weld. 2) keeping the same distance between the torch and the metal. 3) Melting more or less gs rod as you move along the weld.
@BillPalmer11 жыл бұрын
good instruction, thanks. It would be nice if there was a way for the camera to see into the bright flame better. Thanks much!
@zwillx39539 жыл бұрын
great video thanks very much!
@89747311 жыл бұрын
I am not sure exactly which video you are referring to. Clean metal will always braze or weld better than rusty, oily or paint covered metal. I do tend to clean up any metal before welding or brazing. It saves time in the long run.
@OdlerNo11 жыл бұрын
Great techniqe and advise. Thank you ....I am upscaling from jewellery manufacture repairing my trailer! Kind regards Steve Morrison NZ
@pepevilluela28010 жыл бұрын
super instructive, i'm going to wikipedia right now. Thank you.
@89747311 жыл бұрын
If I am using my spray outfit, I use clear lacquer. If I just want to spray a small piece I will reach for a can of aerosol, either acrylic or enamel. There are all grades of paints and coatings. Generally the more you pay the better they are, although that is not always the case. For more technical information you need to find a forum that deals with the chemistry of coatings (paint).
@MustangFastback12 жыл бұрын
Hey, thanks for posting this :)
@heroknaderi6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for helpful tips
@8974736 жыл бұрын
Glad they were helpful.
@scottjenkins874110 жыл бұрын
thank you for you video. very educational..
@89747310 жыл бұрын
Thanks, glad you like. More videos on the way this spring season.
@peterford93697 жыл бұрын
What I mean is, you put the rod ahead of the flame. Vs running the torch ahead of the rod. I've watched several videos and no one explains that part. thank you.
@8974737 жыл бұрын
Now I am not sure what you are asking. If I have the torch in my right hand and the rod in my left. Most generally I move from right to left. The torch flame is heating the metal to be brazed or welded and is ready to melt the rod when the metal is up to brazing or welding temperature.
@AnonymousAppleIdea11 жыл бұрын
Fantastic!
@rayceeya86595 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's about how my brazed joints look. I hate brazing. Going from welding to brazing is like someone jacked up your power on your welder and now you have way too much heat. That was a common practical joke when I was learning welding. When it happened to me I just moved the puddle faster. Thing I couldn't stand about brazing is you have to be way too precise on your temp. I still remember that first time I touched brazing rod to the piece of mild steel I has so carefully preheated and then sploosh, molten brass everywhere. It runs really fast and I could never get my puddle control down.
@dhruvparmar40614 жыл бұрын
Superb technical knowledge that we can't learn in class
@josesantana84358 жыл бұрын
Helo George...I'm brazilian ! I like your service...l also weld oxigen ! I'm paint automotive ! Sorry...I not "speak" english...speak portuguese. Thank you
@89747311 жыл бұрын
Depends on the frame material. If it is steel you can either braze or weld. For a better answer I'd suggest going to a bicycle forum.
@brxtmp1066 жыл бұрын
I need to add an extension to a torsion spring arm. I'm thinking that brazing will be a good application since the metal rod of the spring will be possibly annealed but not brittle as a weld might make it. Am I correct or should I consider welding. Either will be using Oxy/Acetylene.
@8974736 жыл бұрын
Personally, I would braze. If that doesn't work out you can always grind off the braze and then weld.
@DanOfAllTrades7 жыл бұрын
In your opinion can I braze an air compressor tank and repair the leak by the old weld?
@8974737 жыл бұрын
I've never brazed any kind of tank so I'm not a good source.
@89747311 жыл бұрын
Currently I don't have a close up filter that will show the molten puddle for brazing or gas welding.
@davidwellenstein23818 жыл бұрын
I love you videos. The second half of the brazing weld looked too hot.don't need preheat when you're running out of steel.
@reza493638 жыл бұрын
nice video, thank you, please make more video
@8974738 жыл бұрын
+Reza Ahmadi Thanks Reza. I'll be doing more videos this year. In the meantime, here is a link to the complete list of my KZfaq videos listed in categories. gsegmedia.com/?page_id=2877
@donaldmann50108 жыл бұрын
Good information, thanks. I've never seen it done to see the differences. I hear differing opinions from the metal supply houses. Can 260 or 360 brass be butt brazed? I'm doing a crafting project that would use .063 sheet. I guess I could slip a thicker plate under the seam if that would help... I'd prefer 260 because it is easier to cold form. Also, how easy can you grind a brazed joint down smooth, or can't you? **apologies if you've addressed this elsewhere
@8974737 жыл бұрын
Just saw this post. I don't work with a lot of brass. I'd suggest looking at sites like this: www.speedymetals.com/information/Material79.html
@1242chisox11 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@metaling15 жыл бұрын
Thanks George
@8974735 жыл бұрын
Thanks for commenting. Always good to know if the videos are helpful.
@FSCJ-ft7nk8 жыл бұрын
nice video
@cjrouse95084 жыл бұрын
Love the video, just passed my millionth joint brazed as an industrial hand brazer.
@8974734 жыл бұрын
Wow, you are a brazer. Curious to know what you are brazing. I'm sure that your brazes are a lot neater than mine. Bet you've got some tips you could pass along.
@cjrouse95084 жыл бұрын
@@897473 I work for a company called Thermal Transfer, we make heat exchangers, which are pretty much identical to the condenser packs HVAC guys work on. The majority is copper on copper, but we do copper-brass, copper-steal, pretty much any metals they throw at us. Just 10 hours a day, 5 days a weak brazing about a 1,000-2,000 joints a day. leak percentage has to be less than 1 per 250,000 and they have to look perfect, no runs and a smooth consistent finish.
@cjrouse95084 жыл бұрын
@@897473 as for advice: Higher heat for shorter time, we don't don't do a lot of pre-heating as we try to keep the overall strength of the system high. Heat too much and the copper over anneals and it bursts about 500 psi sooner than a unit that was brazed faster. (less heat is also a must when trying to braze when the joint is not perpendicular to the ground or the material will run to the bottom leaving the top barely covered. ) Also for the strongest joint you want the filler material to penetrate 3 times the thickness of the thinnest material you are connecting. You want to do as much as you can in one pass, the more you heat and more you come back to an area the more it runs, and the more likely you will develop a crack in the filler material (most common cause of leaking is overheating the joint/ other than just missing but that is fixed with practice) I prefer using 2% silver when brazing copper to copper or copper to brass. 18% flux cored rods for copper-steel. If you are looking for a pretty joint you make one pass to fill the filler material into the cavitation and a second pass with the flame further away to lay a nice smooth ridge around the joint. we never lay a glob of filler material and use the torch to spread it,, the best joint comes from laying rod right where you want it to go rather that coaxing it to move with the flame. However if you are working in low pressure system I'm sure you can get away with more. The proper air-fuel mixture is probably the greatest influencer on how easy it is to braze, a bad torch can make it near impossible to get consistent results, so a consumer grade propane torch might work, but it will make even a pro look like a greenhorn. I've never met a joint we couldn't braze no matter how dirty or what materials they want us to combine, we have joined razor blades together without melting them, we found an old steel fitting under a shelf that was almost indistinguishable and without cleaning we were able to braze it to a copper tube with just the 18% so while cleaning really helps, id say the filler material is even more important. sorry for the book, just never thought this information would be useful to anyone else.
@cjrouse95084 жыл бұрын
Ah and as for PPE, (leather gloves, denim apron, and darkening glasses you will go blind after staring at that flame too long)
@8974734 жыл бұрын
@@cjrouse9508 Thanks for this. It is going to take me some time to digest all of this. Appreciate you taking time to spell this all out.
@jkutnink874 жыл бұрын
Question I have is this... is brazing kinda like when plumbers do piping? They are not heating the copper to insane melting temps but they are using another easier to melt metal to "braze" them together correct?
@8974734 жыл бұрын
Plumbers are soldering. Much lower heat. Can be done with propane, Here is a video on soldering copper pipe: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Zp51orpl1Ny1e4k.html
@JosephMelia4 жыл бұрын
Thank you,excellent instruction... I want to make a pannier rack in order to fix an ammo box to my motorcycle.... Would this type of welding,if correctly done, be suitable to hold the metal together for such a task? I suppose it would heavily depend on the weight of the loaded pannier/rack and the quality of the weld.
@8974734 жыл бұрын
Joseph, if it was me I would braze either mild steel or stainless steel rod. You could use flat material, but I generally think of panniers being made of rod (round). Brazing would be easier than gas welding unless you are very familiar with gas welding. If you haven't done much brazing, buy a little extra rod for practice.
@JosephMelia4 жыл бұрын
@@897473Thank you for your prompt reply and useful advice...I will be sure to take that into consideration.
@jerryanstey70584 жыл бұрын
nice video..Thanks .
@8974734 жыл бұрын
Herry, appreciate your comment and viewing.
@tito1rocks7 жыл бұрын
Is that John Goodman?
@pmessinger6 жыл бұрын
no
@MystiqWisdom5 жыл бұрын
@@pmessinger you don't say?
@tmtx713 жыл бұрын
great vid. can you join steel and copper?
@williamgray6974 жыл бұрын
So many experts that couldn't join hands, never mind join two bits of metal together.
@89747311 жыл бұрын
I do appreciate the comment. A few people, and I might add a very few, like to get their two cents in without taking any responsibility. We have no idea what their lives are like. Maybe if I was in their shoes and living their life I would be just like them. Hopefully not.
@josesantana84358 жыл бұрын
Very good my friend ! I am from Brazil...l not speak english. Thank you teacher !