Breadboarding tips
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@gloverelaxis 3 жыл бұрын
This is like the electronic engineering equivalent of gardening or knitting for relaxation.
@omniyambot9876 3 жыл бұрын
Pleasure to design hardcore schematics and finally when we make a prototype, we put so much love and passion in doing breadboard.
@HughWilliams1 3 жыл бұрын
The Bob Ross of EE.
@NeilRoy 3 жыл бұрын
@@HughWilliams1 LOL, right. "Another happy little wire here..."
@ingenierocristian 3 жыл бұрын
Indeed
@TheEmeraldMenOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
Equivalent for me: opening CDs with an actual CD opener or looking at retro tech
@shubhammaurya3671 3 жыл бұрын
Title should be " How to BeNeater"
@pislify34 3 жыл бұрын
Underrated
@mikeearls126 3 жыл бұрын
that is some funny witty shit right there.
@OrchidAlloy 3 жыл бұрын
Incredible
@existential_fred 3 жыл бұрын
This deserves a heart
@ChrisPavey85 3 жыл бұрын
Congratulations! Sir, you have won the internet. 👏
@SamBebbington 3 жыл бұрын
When you realise you just watched Ben strip wires for 20 mins and you enjoyed it!
@a52productions 3 жыл бұрын
He's got such a pleasant voice!
@du42bz 3 жыл бұрын
Im Bensexual
@michaelburns8073 3 жыл бұрын
Nothing like a good stripper to get me all excited. 🤣
@fmphotooffice5513 3 жыл бұрын
Watching some of his multi-breadboard examples reminds me of a poetic compliment. He has the patience of a cow. Focused, always paced to get the job done, when the job is thoroughly explaining what he is doing. Very enjoyable. Regards.
@CZghost 3 жыл бұрын
**surprised pikachu face**
@SpaghettiRoad 3 жыл бұрын
Until these videos I didn't know I was attracted to cable management.
@IceColdProfessional 2 жыл бұрын
Cable management is an art form.
@angrymario8259 2 жыл бұрын
We don't Kink shame here
@ivarnordlkken8082 Жыл бұрын
Better than watching paint dry 😀
@DefaultFlame 3 күн бұрын
Check out @albinjd if you want to see truly magical cable management.
@thomasrogers8239 3 жыл бұрын
Ben eater is the guy who I just watched eyeball a wire strip to within 3 decimal points to.3 inches.
@matejgamingandotherstuff6484 3 жыл бұрын
Ben is the REAL electronics designer. He is walking, talking and creative GOLD.
@fractal5764 3 жыл бұрын
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@matejgamingandotherstuff6484 3 жыл бұрын
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@fractal5764 3 жыл бұрын
@@matejgamingandotherstuff6484 it's ruined now
@duncanwalduck7715 3 жыл бұрын
@@bryanv5865 Extra bits? Extra BYTES!
@RoboGenesHimanshuVerma 3 жыл бұрын
Breadboarding so clean, even PCBs are embarassed
@skilz8098 3 жыл бұрын
FPGAs I can't compete with the Eater!!!
@RoboGenesHimanshuVerma 3 жыл бұрын
@@hamu_sando Not that I know of. Just heard it like a popular linr
@ayoitscat 3 жыл бұрын
Fr though, my pcbs look way messier than his breadboards
@henry24002 2 жыл бұрын
Amateurs SMD components: *AMATEURS*
@bobweiram6321 3 жыл бұрын
You're the Bob Ross of Electronics: "The Magic of Breadboarding"
@chipsnblip6449 2 жыл бұрын
Happy little LEDs
@DefaultFlame 3 күн бұрын
I never thought of it, but that is an incredibly accurate decription of Ben.
@expolarity7541 3 жыл бұрын
I think it's important to note that this takes a lot of practice and you shouldn't give up when you don't get it extra tidy on your first try
@bitrot42 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent point. It's really a lifelong process... I've been doing this stuff for decades, and I still get a little better each time. "Continuous Improvement"...
@Super_Smash_Dude 3 жыл бұрын
As a guy who is now learning this stuff properly, this actually makes me feel a lot better.
@midnightrizer 2 жыл бұрын
yeah and as ben said it helps if the circuit works first :)
@hahathatsgreat2 3 жыл бұрын
The mark of a true engineer is calling a £5 tool (lead bender) "fancy."
@colinpitrat8639 3 жыл бұрын
That's just a nice way of saying useless 😀
@Lawrence330 Жыл бұрын
If you're in the US, any Walmart will have a jewelry forming pliers set in the crafting section. The handles are typically pink/purple/blue/teal, and they aren't exactly precision-machined, but the ring-nose will do a great job putting a radius on your hookup wires and the flat pliers are decent for straightening leads. The cutters are "okay."
@der.Schtefan 3 жыл бұрын
"The fancy stripper", my stage name.
@jlitodelcid326 3 жыл бұрын
ikr
@para111111 3 жыл бұрын
"Again we can use the fancy strippers... And that should be the right length.. Let's stick that in there" :D
@ScienceDiscoverer 3 жыл бұрын
@@para111111 That's what she said ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
@Antonio_Gallego 3 жыл бұрын
Your eyeballin' thing is together, Ben
@desertfish74 3 жыл бұрын
0.3000 eyeballed 👀🧐
@duncanwalduck7715 3 жыл бұрын
The Mk.1 Eyeball. Trimmed.
@JohnHollowell 3 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure this is the new Bob Ross but for electronics. The introducing us to the tools at the end, eyeballing things perfectly, saying it doesn't have to be perfect, the calm voice. It all comes together
@Otakunopodcast 3 жыл бұрын
Save your cut-off parts legs! They can be extremely useful. I use them frequently for making power/ground buses when soldering components together on perfboards. If you snap a leg off a chip, as long as you didn't snap it off entirely (the top part of the leg where it enters the chip is still intact) you can solder on a cut-off lead to make a quick and dirty repair. They can also be used for repairing broken traces on circuit boards. And you can throw them at annoying coworkers like little tiny needle darts. :) (Okay, maybe that's not such a good idea...)
@CainGantt 3 жыл бұрын
Ben is the Bob Ross of computing. So calming to watch, only peaceful vibes, and with expert skill in the subject.
@renakunisaki 3 жыл бұрын
More tips: Use consistent colors! In DC circuits red should always be + and black should always be -. I personally like yellow for clock, green for data, white for analog. I have to break the rules occasionally, but it makes things much easier. Once you've cut one wire, use it to measure additional cuts for the same length. Wire is cheap, and you can always cut it again. Don't be afraid to cut off more than you need. I have a set of red/black wires tying the voltage rails together for each breadboard. They're basically permanent. They can be removed as needed, but each board has its own pair. Good breadboards have little indents and nubs on the sides so they can actually snap together! If you need to strip an extremely thin wire and your tools can't do it without breaking it, you can melt the plastic off with a soldering iron. Just be sure you have a good fume extractor (melting plastic gives off toxic fumes), clean the crud off the iron afterward, and do it on a table you don't mind marking the surface of. Also, ensure no pets or toddlers eat the waste plastic! If something isn't working, don't forget to test the wires themselves! They can break or be defective too!
@alfredlily 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your experience . I also use wires of different colour instead of jumper wires I use wires in big projects I also connect data pin , power supply , gates input and output etc...
@Bromon655 7 ай бұрын
I’ve had great success stripping 22 gauge wire by simply taking a small pair of scissors and gently squeezing around the circumference of the wire, never applying enough pressure to snip the wire but enough to cut the coating.
@ivolocoso6989 5 ай бұрын
Adding to this, if you are working with audio/headphone/transformer cables (where there isn't an insulation sleeve, but instead there is just enamel) you can remove it by heating the soldering iron way more than you need and holding the cable over a molten drop of solder for a couple seconds, you can also burn/sand the insulation off, but in my experience this way is easier and faster.
@ruutjormun2262 2 ай бұрын
@@ivolocoso6989lmao. imagine my surprise when the universe brings me to this thread weeks after completely failing a solder repair on one of my favourite headphones due to wire thinness. God bless you guys
@Wayde-VA3NCA 3 жыл бұрын
Great Bob Ross vibe. Happy little jumpers.
@billkendrick1 3 жыл бұрын
"this is the drawer where I keep various lengths of wire" - Prof Farnsworth
@duncanwalduck7715 3 жыл бұрын
Almost as bad as I imagined. Thank you. (That is wasn't as bad as I did imagine).
@duncanwalduck7715 3 жыл бұрын
(If you REALLY want to know, I was thinking Ramsay Bolton, except a non-fictional sort.)
@MichaelDSwanson 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your breadboarding techniques, Ben! Super useful.
@SiluS777 Күн бұрын
Three years later, this video is still awesome!
@karmageddon9136 6 ай бұрын
Patience is key. Like plumbing or carpentry, preparing for the work takes time but it makes the job easier and neater. At the end, a lot more satisfying. Thanks Ben
@michaelb2132 3 жыл бұрын
These videos are so well made. You can tell he actually wants to teach the material. It's more about education than about getting views. Respect :)
@edwardpaulsen1074 Жыл бұрын
This was quite the excellent video and covered nearly everything I learned over almost 50 years of direct experience, including wire wrapping. There is only one bit of caution that I would like to add and that is "Bend Radius"... For the most part, these wires will likely be bent only once and will stay that way, however if these will be used repeatedly especially if it may get adjusted at the corner of the bend then one should take that into account. Bend radius varies depending on wire or cable type with larger wires or cables having a larger radius multiplier. Small wire (under 14Ga) has a minimum bend radius of three times OD, solid wire 12Ga or larger is six times the OD and for stranded that can go between 7 to 12 times the OD (larger multipliers are for really heavy gauges far beyond hobby levels) In this case, using 22 Gauge solid wire, the most likely OD is going to be 0.06 inches which, when multiplied by the 3x factor gives you 0.18 inches radius which is slightly over 3/16th inches or a bit larger then going around a standard pencil. This should be taken into account in final builds where there may be vibration or other movement that may occur. This is to prevent fatiguing the wire too much and breaking it, perhaps inside the insulation where troubleshooting can become very difficult! As I said before, maintaining that bend radius for breadboards is not as vital as it is generally a very temporary circuit but if it gets directly transferred to a perf-board with solder that can quickly become a problem and it is better to turn those best practices into a habit early on to prevent headaches down the road.
@Malkasphia 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for showing this off! This was really cool to watch, love how presentable it makes the board look.
@omaromaromar8157 3 жыл бұрын
I'm just about to put one of your kits together. Such a high quality bread board. I really appreciate that you didn't cheap out on the components. Looking forward to trying every single kit!
@nextneilpeart 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! That resistor trick is NEAT! I find it helpful to also test my circuit often when I'm replacing jumper cables with wires like this. Makes it easy to find issues in between replacements! Thanks for the video!
@photorealm Жыл бұрын
I have never watched anyone wire a breadboard before and it was very helpful. The little tips really add up to make things easier and neater.
@kltr007 3 жыл бұрын
Happy New Year & Stay Safe! Thanks for all the work.
@rodcleaves9904 3 жыл бұрын
In 1970 I bought a couple of HeathKit breadboard consoles. They included prepared jumpers, power supplies and adjustable/variable clocks. They even included provision for ganging several together for common power, ground, and clock. What Ben is doing in theses videos is exactly how we built systems.
@JulieanGalak 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video, thank you, I've used bread boards for decades and there are tips in here I'd never considered. Also, just the pointer at a specific brand for quality bread boards is worth the watch. Really enjoying your content, thank you.
@MatthiasLenardt 6 ай бұрын
Beautiful! Congratulations!
@ZeusBotko 3 жыл бұрын
I was looking for this, thank you a lot!
@BruceWayne-dh5hy 3 жыл бұрын
Nice job mate. Appreciate your attention to the fine details and perfection
@PelDaddy 3 жыл бұрын
Everything you do is inspirational. Thanks for sharing your techniques.
@blapaz 3 жыл бұрын
I have been searching for many of the things that were in this video just this week, great timing!
@ahmedsamiatta4800 3 жыл бұрын
He is very professional that he doesn't do a lot of editing and cutting in the video, one of the best and limited channels in electronics
@nocturnesol9280 Жыл бұрын
I greatly appreciate your videos. Thank you.
@majddag4499 3 жыл бұрын
20 min for a blinking light tutorial on breadboard? I would watch again 10/10
@42jnyl 3 жыл бұрын
This was cool to see after trying to mimic your style. I never made the computers but I really like the way my data transmission setup turned out.
@your_utube 3 жыл бұрын
Yup, respect your professors. Thanx Prof.
@FPiorski 3 жыл бұрын
I measure wires the other way around - I lightly squeeze them with the flush cutter right where the isolation needs to end, then eyeball the cut point from that mark and then strip it right on the mark. I also use the same automatic Knipex tool you've shown even for short links by bending the other end of the wire back, then the tool reaches far enough to make even 0.1" links (the particular wire brand I have has no problem withstanding those additional two bends, I guess results may vary). With that being said, I'm definitely not trying to say my way is better or anything, it's just what I do. Thanks for the video!
@Amperekaefer 3 жыл бұрын
Saubere Arbeit! *Danke* für das Video. 👍👍.
@evanleeturner 3 жыл бұрын
Ben, thank you so much for putting this out. We have followed your channel for a long time now and even made a couple little videos on my kids channel (fritzbuild3r) on your clock. We bought a ton of chips and boards and we completely got hit by the cheap-board problem. Our issue is the wiring of the components is so thin it doesn't make proper contact. We then swapped over to making the registers and ALU using adafruit 'perma proto' boards, but it defeats the purpose of testing with breadboard! Now that you have kits I will absolutely be ordering for you. I just have to say we really enjoy these videos and as a former teacher, I find your lessons stellar.
@el-hech2889 3 жыл бұрын
man you are a hero please continue
@kingmallow 3 жыл бұрын
Wanted to see which orientation you stand resistors and really wished there was a TOC. Feel free to use this: 0:00 Intro 1:10 Example of Neatly wired Breadboard 1:24 Bread Board and Wire 1:57 Tools 2:07 Tools: Wire Strippers 3:05 Tools: Wire Cutters 3:23 Tools: Needle Nose Pliers 3:50 Wires 6:55 Wires: Note on Fancy Wire Strippers 9:39 Components Intro 9:44 Resistor - Flat 10:01 Tools: Note on Lead Bending Tools 11:13 LED 11:31 Resistor - Standing 12:22 Wire With Bends 16:25 Arched Wire For Complicated Circuit 19:31 Conclusion
@rajeshmeher4017 3 жыл бұрын
Great job Ben👍. Keep doing
@amrishhirani6096 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you 👍 Happy New year 🎄👍
@chriskelly7156 3 жыл бұрын
So satisfying to watch
@cwrigh13 3 жыл бұрын
This is so relaxing to watch.
@osmanfb1 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ben. Did not realize that it was 20 minutes! Happy New Year!
@ronimikkonen1764 3 жыл бұрын
Why are these videos so relaxing and so educatioonal at the same time?
@CDReimer 3 жыл бұрын
A very timely and helpful video. I started working on the Ardunio EEPROM programmer when I came across three problems: I didn't have any 2K EEPROMs (I had larger EEPROMs with more pins), I kept cutting my wires too short, and the breadboard had busted contacts. I got 2K EEPROMs and breadboard coming in. Adding wire stripper to my shopping list.
@PixelSchnitzel 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent tips! Your videos *greatly* improved my breadboarding after decades years of tinkering. THANK YOU. I have 3 tips to add: 1) I finally pried ~$75 out of my wallet for a Patco PTS-10 thermal stripper on eBay. Best prototyping money I ever spent. I set the depth for 0.3" and can prep bazillions of wires in very little time. Less work / more prototyping! Also, wire nicking can never happen, so ALL my wiring work has improved. Bonus: Good enough for NASA! 2) Keep a set of disposable medicine cups (great for mixing epoxy too) to organize red & black wires for jumping to the bus bars (0.3 and 0.4" insulation length). These wires are used in great numbers and having a bunch on hand will save you time & keep things neat, even if you use random wires for everything else. 3) I keep a 6" scale graduated in 1/10" increments so I can simply count holes, add 0.6" and prep a wire using the ruler. When the breadboard is getting busy, that makes life easier.
@Andrew90046zero 3 жыл бұрын
Now I know how much work goes into these videos. Wow, lots of dedication!
@humanbagel Жыл бұрын
I have learned SO MUCH from you! you are the god of breadboards!
@kshitijmishra8878 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Ben, I love your videos! I made the 8 bit breadboard computer for my uni project. Each part was separately working just fine, the RAM, the clock, the ALU....everything worked just fine by itself. But as soon as I wired everything together, things started to fall apart. At first I thought the issue was power supply, so I got a hefty bench power supply. Sadly, that too didn't work. Then I realised that the breadboards you are using are like 10x better than the ones I was using! It's really hard to get those breadboard here in India, and being a student I couldn't afford your kit. But anyway, thanks for making these videos, really love them!!
@samuelhulme8347 3 жыл бұрын
Nice tips, Happy new year!
@Wes8761 3 жыл бұрын
I learned "Ben Eater Style" wiring over the summer of 2020 and my method is a little different from yours but with similar results. This video is very nicely done and the best advice i have for someone who wants to learn perfect wiring is honestly to just do a large scale project and learn as you go.
@owen7185 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video. Thank you
@jasonzurlo1543 3 жыл бұрын
The most anticipated video of 2021
@c1ph3rpunk 2 жыл бұрын
My first years in tech (MIS then) was spent running all manner of cabling, your neatness hits the happy place.
@duvalabas 3 жыл бұрын
Ben this is really good! I really liked that we use the same wiring technique, though I didn't use the 3 hole measure. Nice tip!
@MattBrownbill Жыл бұрын
Great instructions, thanks.
@PyroRob69 3 жыл бұрын
I learned to do breadboards this way in the late 70's. You were proud of the work, even if it didn't function, and it was easier to troubleshoot. You get good at estimating lengths if you do it enough.
@jhoncharlesdf.1599 3 жыл бұрын
Very nice tips!!, this make me a sensation of peace and meditation to think the next step in project as well!
@laidman2007 5 ай бұрын
Very valuable. Thank you.
@AnonymousMaykr 3 жыл бұрын
The beginning of 2021 has been blessed. Thank you, Lord Eater.
@vinayakonimani7628 3 жыл бұрын
Lord eater lmao XD
@jeremey2072 2 жыл бұрын
Extremely helpful, thanks!
@cosmic_jon 3 жыл бұрын
Well this was a treat! Thanks for validating some of my own practices and also teaching me some new tricks -- why didn't I think of installing resistors vertically like that?! Genius!
@lutyanoalves444 3 жыл бұрын
some production boards end up with vertical resistors too! i think i saw it in some old console motherboard restoration video. maybe this one? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pctgd9mrsLOylWg.html i think youll like voultars channel btw
@duncanwalduck7715 3 жыл бұрын
@@lutyanoalves444 I did that on a through-hole refurb. I didn't have the right resistor so I used two in series making a kind of hump. I put heatshrink over the pair to be extra confident. It was a bloody stupid circuit with a transistor in linear mode controlling a power load. - - - I also added a hoofing great heatsink that came from a washing machine busted circuitboard. Ah, and of course I didn't realise that the body of the transistor is 'earthed' at the collector. Alas that was +12V vs. 0V on the chassis ground. I got a burnt trace. I jumpered it. I can't remember why I needed to change the base resistor! [I do know why I wanted to add a heatsink, though].
@duncanwalduck7715 3 жыл бұрын
The circuit in question was a bit of nothing, thankfully: a manual 'speed controller' for desktop PCs that fits in an expansion card slot (without plugging in there, of course). I got two more of them later for about what they're worth, and I had fun almost burning the house down! [but not as close as when a crufty power supply literally 'popped' under my eyes near the *#curtains#*.]
@Licky723 3 жыл бұрын
im currently doing the 8 bit computer and this video is right on point! thank your very much :) happy new year !
@r.d.machinery3749 3 жыл бұрын
Happy New Year, Ben :)
@belenhedderich3330 3 жыл бұрын
WOW Awesome tutorial on Bredboarding thanks!
@Photoeye65 6 ай бұрын
Ben, Great relaxing delivery of some great technical info. I enjoy your content. Subbed.....🧭
@josecanedo007 Жыл бұрын
The best breadboarding tutorial I have seen. 👌
@DerMarkus1982 3 жыл бұрын
I don't need to see the label print on that IC, to know it's a 555. Nice to see this "ancient" staple of electronic circuit design appear in your videos every now and then, Ben! Keep up the good work!
@NerdyWordyMatt 3 жыл бұрын
Watching you tidy up that first project was oddly satisfying.
@mikemargo 3 жыл бұрын
The Lindstrom cutters and pliers are top notch.. I have some for 35 years
@Jumansa19 3 жыл бұрын
Hello time to say to you a very big thank you for all your entertaining, educational in the best meaning mind opening videos - that is what i call a good introduction and detailed explanation how a computer in theory and praxis works.
@shirleyachara3809 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant instruction video, thanks 🙏
@Ilan101 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I just got the 8bit computer kit! It’s really fun.
@SkateGeneva 3 жыл бұрын
My man eyeballing those 0.3 inches like a pro
@Rx7man 3 жыл бұрын
you do something enough and you can get very good at estimating by eye.. I'd say usually +/- 10% is an easily achievable tolerance. I know how to walk so that I can step something out and usually be within 2%
@klaus9503 3 жыл бұрын
Crazy how much work it is 😮
@pmanolak 3 жыл бұрын
You belongs to university. You are better on explanation than many professors!! Thanks a lot!!
@bill6943 3 жыл бұрын
I always love your videos. Here is another great video. Could you please make a video about soldering techniques. Great work again Ben
@dexter97_66 3 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed the video and you even gave out tips that were really usefull, i was really hopping you talk about color coding the wires, maybe next time but thanks REALLY enjoyed this one!
@lekoman 3 жыл бұрын
Just bought the 8 Bit computer kit and have put my first two breadboards together and then had to pause, but I’m glad I did, cuz this is exactly the set of tips I need! This tutorial should be required viewing before even embarking on that project!
@drivers99 Жыл бұрын
I just built the clock module and I’m starting the 65C02 project as we speak, but I decided to rewatch this first since I’ll be making a bunch of wires now lol
@starlino 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, I usually precut popular sizes and this speeds up the process.
@jorgerangel2390 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Very useful tips!
@TheUnofficialMaker 3 жыл бұрын
well done, very useful info.
@billmoran3812 3 жыл бұрын
Great tips!
@EvelienSnel 3 жыл бұрын
Very neat Ben, looks great. One tip though: when stripping very short wires like these, I always use my needlenose pliers to hold the insulation. That way you don't have the risk of deforming the wire you have shaped so carefully.
@RelaxingGamingAmbience Жыл бұрын
Thank you :) very informative and well explained!
@BFLmouse 3 жыл бұрын
A trick that I use for measuring how much to strip is to use the pliers as a measuring tool. When I use the pliers to bend the end of the wire, I use the cutters to trim off any excess bare wire sticking out past the pliers. The result is a perfect strip length every time.
@b.alkhatib2698 3 жыл бұрын
very usefull thank you ! Could you make a video about tipps/books/sites/techniques for learning byond basics in electronics
@thejbo777 3 жыл бұрын
Definitely picked up a few helpful tips from this vid!
@idontseeit 3 жыл бұрын
Great guy, great video, great wires
@interbudelblag 3 жыл бұрын
a lot of effort to make your videos look awesome.
@rjbuchman 8 ай бұрын
It’s hypnotic the way you explain things..👍👍 I think you edited out when you dropped the cap onto the board😀😀 I like your approach to how you dress the wires!!!
@YamenNazer 3 жыл бұрын
I love this channel💜
@FirstWizardZorander 3 жыл бұрын
I was just thinking about this today, and you delivered! Excellent video, will use these methods for my Z80 breadboard computer
@vectorvector8906 3 жыл бұрын
Will you be sharing your z80 build adventure?
@CastleVintners 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Lovely technique. When it comes time for the soldered board, I like to use zero ohm resistors as jumpers rather than wire jumpers, whenever possible. No stripping required, the leads are tinned, they solder so easily, the small expense is worth the ease and slightly faster construction, for me.
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