Breaking Down the Ecotec "Family ll" Engines // Behind The Builds

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LSJ, LNF, LHU, LDK. So many three-letter words, but what do they mean? Al and Ryan explain the differences between the "Family ll" GM engines. #GoFastNotbroke
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@FunnyMuffler
@FunnyMuffler 2 жыл бұрын
As an owner of an '08 SS Cobalt and '12 Cruze, I'd love to have the 2.0 Verano. The body of the Cruze, the power of the SS.
@fiveothis
@fiveothis 2 жыл бұрын
Cruze and Verano are on the same body line? Which Verano model has the 2.0T??
@deondre294
@deondre294 9 ай бұрын
I had my verano turbo for about 4 years and I love it. I have the bnr tune and although it's not a racecar it gives other people a nice surprise
@brianhamby4057
@brianhamby4057 2 жыл бұрын
Love the ecotec series please keep it going
@ZZPerformanceChannel
@ZZPerformanceChannel 2 жыл бұрын
We got you. 😎
@TurbochargedCobaltSS
@TurbochargedCobaltSS 2 жыл бұрын
I like this series you guys have been doing...Keep up great work!
@Pudding175
@Pudding175 2 жыл бұрын
Yesss! Thanks you ZZP! I've been asking for this video for months on the live stream and Instagram!
@Jeffmackens
@Jeffmackens 2 жыл бұрын
Great informative video fellas! I appreciate it!
@ohunna239
@ohunna239 2 жыл бұрын
I just got into the ecotec engine when I brought my lsj two years ago I'm glad I did
@gbrunner24
@gbrunner24 2 жыл бұрын
LNF: "Damn this coolant is yummy"
@ZZPerformanceChannel
@ZZPerformanceChannel 2 жыл бұрын
"My doctor says it'll make me fat but it's SOOO GOOOD".
@fiveothis
@fiveothis 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video!
@charlesthewolf2492
@charlesthewolf2492 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video keep them going please
@johns14m
@johns14m 2 жыл бұрын
I tried to buy a replacement oil pan for my LNF, but I couldn't find one anywhere. Turned out I had to search for a coolant pan to get any hits.
@chrisshore9000
@chrisshore9000 2 жыл бұрын
Love to hear you guys show off what you can do on a Saabs LK9 b207r. I have a XWD aero Saab 9-3 6 speed manual. Definitely looks foam casting. Except for the multiple suspensions setups I’ve tried I had to have so many of my upgrades shipped from Europe. AWD, manual and one of ZZP’s crate engine would be sick.
@lsjionredlinesupercharged2049
@lsjionredlinesupercharged2049 2 жыл бұрын
Love this video.
@creator1246
@creator1246 2 жыл бұрын
Very good info. I enjoy learning about my car and what it can do. Any chance of you guys dipping into Mopar stuff? I wanna put ZZP stuff in my wife's PT Cruiser. XD
@iwasnameddan
@iwasnameddan 2 жыл бұрын
Please do a video on the L61 and LE5. Would love to hear what you guys have to say about them. Thanks!
@Ilovegirlfights2
@Ilovegirlfights2 2 жыл бұрын
I asked already the don’t support the ecm. There is no hptunners softwhere for our ecms. The only that I know of that does that is Hahnracecraft.
@iwasnameddan
@iwasnameddan 2 жыл бұрын
@@Ilovegirlfights2 So what your saying is that in order to build my 2.4 I would get the Turbo kit form ZZP and then get it tuned by Hahn Racecraft? I guess ZZP does only offer a PCM tune for the 2.2 & 2.4 guys.
@Ilovegirlfights2
@Ilovegirlfights2 2 жыл бұрын
@@iwasnameddan I think they need the car they can’t tune it remotely
@connorledford5037
@connorledford5037 2 жыл бұрын
I’m here boyssss 😎 Cruze 1.4 and Cobalt 2.0 LSJ here
@bryanCLXT
@bryanCLXT 2 жыл бұрын
im trying to buy a cobalt for the cheap any various. I have a 18 chevy trax awd I want to modd up as well
@connorledford5037
@connorledford5037 2 жыл бұрын
@@bryanCLXT ah nice. I love my cobalt. My Cruze is full bolt on but the cobalt is my next beast
@IntrovertedN00b
@IntrovertedN00b 2 жыл бұрын
You should do a video on the transmissions
@waynesworld8930
@waynesworld8930 2 жыл бұрын
love, u Guys #ecotecGurus!
@staceycoulter70
@staceycoulter70 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to see you guys talk about the Buick Regal GS. I had a cobalt LSJ 2007 fun car. But now have the regal. My regal has zzp cold air intake zzp down and mid pipe. Tuned for 94 octane as I am in Windsor Ontario Canada. Running boost at a peak of 25psi with a hold of 21.82psi on boost. Next mod will be the zzp intercooler and charge pipes. Car should be close to the 400hp mark. But I would love to see a Buick done by zzp.
@daevid21
@daevid21 Жыл бұрын
That’s sick come to Kitchener lemme see it
@charliehollis5614
@charliehollis5614 2 жыл бұрын
Do you know when the Le5 race shot block will be back in stack
@1tommccormick
@1tommccormick Жыл бұрын
What about the LWS engine used in the Buick Cascada? 1.6 liter LWC turbocharged inline four cylinder engine.
@paulmcdonald3570
@paulmcdonald3570 2 жыл бұрын
Great insight guys! I really like your straight forward honesty. Rough number hp ? 07 lnf e85, billet cams, 57 turbo, ported head, intercooler, injectors, (for e85) all ZZP parts.
@gbrunner24
@gbrunner24 2 жыл бұрын
We just did a very similar build here in house on a customers LNF, but with a Z54; on that car we made 472whp. Depending on your boost I'd say you're about there, or more!
@paulmcdonald3570
@paulmcdonald3570 2 жыл бұрын
@@gbrunner24 I understand Tyler you like the Pontiac Solstice/ Saturn Sky. I thought I might give you a heads up( I don’t make anything off of this info) i work at a GM dealership and we got in a 2007 Saturn Redline with only 25k miles on it. I drove this thing and if I was in the market would purchase that thing. It was a blast to drive. Not trying to upsell anything, I just like to give people that appreciate certain vehicles a heads up before someone that doesn’t appreciate them as much buys it.
@gbrunner24
@gbrunner24 2 жыл бұрын
@@paulmcdonald3570 what dealership? My dad is in the market currently!
@titomaldonado7303
@titomaldonado7303 Жыл бұрын
@@gbrunner24 forged internals on the lnf?
@gbrunner24
@gbrunner24 Жыл бұрын
@@titomaldonado7303 I do believe it was a Gen 3 block with forged rods and pistons.
@jeffreyfinney6930
@jeffreyfinney6930 2 жыл бұрын
Hey guys I have a 2.5 ecotec in a 2016 Malibu lt. But I'm trying to figure out if I have a lcv or lkw. It has lcv decals on it but it has start stop option I can't find anything about the lcv having this option although it is a previous fleet car from Hawaii. Any help is appreciated if you can.
@louisbabycos106
@louisbabycos106 Жыл бұрын
How good is a stock equinox 2.4 direct injection naturally aspirated ecotec and could it be easily installed in a Suzuki SX4 FWD based AWD power train while keeping the AWD system intact ?
@sebastianmorrison6114
@sebastianmorrison6114 2 жыл бұрын
I just wanna know as much as the LE5 as I possibly can. I’m definitely gonna build an LSJ one day it’s been a goal for a long time but for now I build what I got.
@carlosspicyweiner5228
@carlosspicyweiner5228 2 жыл бұрын
Same, i am curious about the LE5 and its upgrade potential. I have a 2009 saturn sky base with a AEM intake and solo performance exhaust but i would like to see what else i can do with the engine.
@chadoliver2966
@chadoliver2966 2 жыл бұрын
Basically you are safe to about 250whp if you are doing a turbo kit upgrade.
@angelaldacoaa
@angelaldacoaa Жыл бұрын
What i want to know is about the newer ecotechs. These only go up to 2010 while i have a 2011 2.4l ecotech LE9 engine and ikno their similar but would still be nice if they could include ALL the ecotechs
@Neptune8
@Neptune8 Жыл бұрын
So what gm engine was in the saab turbo cars ? Do you guys even work on Saabs ?
@spyderbuddy
@spyderbuddy Жыл бұрын
do y'all know anything about the 3.6 LLT Engine
@josetrujillo7389
@josetrujillo7389 Жыл бұрын
I have a 98 Chevy cavalier what is the best engine to swap it to
@djinkentertainment
@djinkentertainment 2 жыл бұрын
You guys rock fantastic shipping and quality :)
@brxttz
@brxttz 2 жыл бұрын
No it didn't
@djinkentertainment
@djinkentertainment 2 жыл бұрын
@@brxttz I thought for a very brief period they released a super charged version, but soon after changed it to the turbo instead?
@brxttz
@brxttz 2 жыл бұрын
@@djinkentertainment no, hhr ss only came turbo.
@djinkentertainment
@djinkentertainment 2 жыл бұрын
@@brxttzThanks, Ill edit the comment.
@djinkentertainment
@djinkentertainment 2 жыл бұрын
@@brxttz I was thinking of the cobalt SS variants and said hhr but meant the cobalt because they are built on the same platform. Although I think an super charger version would have been pretty slick lol.
@MyLonewolf25
@MyLonewolf25 Жыл бұрын
what about the 2.4 aluminum block motors?
@rippin187
@rippin187 Жыл бұрын
Can the porous block issue on the LNF affect the external walls of the block? On my ‘08 Solstice with 30k miles I had the turbo oil lines/coolant lines replaced due to failure. When the dealership put the parts on after the install they noticed the engine was still leaking oil. They put it back on the lift and noticed a thumbtack sized hole on the external wall of the engine block, right side, almost mid engine height. It’s slightly above the catalytic converter on the right side of the engine. You can see right through to the internal parts. The engine still works and sounds completely normal when it’s running. Zero engine knock or other abnormal noises. I know this hole was definitely not there before getting the lines replaced. How the hell can a hole like this appear in the side of the block?? Is it possible to successfully spot repair it?
@louisbabycos106
@louisbabycos106 Жыл бұрын
Maybe put block sealant in and baby it .
@Jlcgames513
@Jlcgames513 9 ай бұрын
My l61 falls into what category? It’s set up with a m62 so lsj ? Or would I still need l61 parts
@ZZPerformanceChannel
@ZZPerformanceChannel 9 ай бұрын
The engine itself and internal parts are still going to be L61, but since you have blower swapped the car many of the LSJ bolt ons will work for your car. Exhaust is the same across non factory turbo cars.
@Tstay352
@Tstay352 10 ай бұрын
Can anyone educate me on my Pontiac g5 gt on how much hp I can make with a built bottom end
@Jeffmackens
@Jeffmackens 2 жыл бұрын
No LE5 Love?
@Bug_Man_Semo
@Bug_Man_Semo 9 ай бұрын
We need some 2.4 ecotec vids... For us normal folks without an ss that want mopowa baby
@blow0me
@blow0me 11 ай бұрын
So can you do a LDK short motor with B207 or LSJ head ?
@ZZPerformanceChannel
@ZZPerformanceChannel 11 ай бұрын
Not quite. You would either have to swap in your LSJ crank or modify the reluctor wheel on the LDK crank, as well as plugging the turbo drain. Realistically other than that, yes you can use the Gen 3 short block.
@blow0me
@blow0me 11 ай бұрын
@@ZZPerformanceChannel reluctor unimportant, I can work with any trigger pattern. And I'd most likely end up turbo. Just looking at short motor options, and if I could get a 2.4, or thereabouts, that would be preferable. Sounds like a potential option then
@oyeahyeahman5597
@oyeahyeahman5597 2 жыл бұрын
What do we think about the le2?
@gbrunner24
@gbrunner24 2 жыл бұрын
Haven't had any real experience in it yet. Tim has tuned a few, but that's all. We're currently working on a downpipe and intake for them.
@Piznick64
@Piznick64 2 жыл бұрын
Going to put a 2.4 n/a g5 and put a super and turbo
@jasonhowell9589
@jasonhowell9589 Жыл бұрын
Give me the 2.2 and 2.4 non-variable valve timing motors all day long
@Gokywildcats11
@Gokywildcats11 5 ай бұрын
Can the ecotec be built for a dunebuggy
@dogmoo
@dogmoo Жыл бұрын
The LNF has a more efficient burn? The argument being that it underflows on a bench but still produces better HP? Did someone do an apples to apples on that with a motor at the same boost? efficiency of burn is typically an emissions component and not exactly something that denotes power. The timing and temperature of the charge and pressure should dictate power across the board. I'm not saying I don't believe you it just doesn't jive in my head and I wanted to see if someone had done tests you can point to. Thanks for making this.
@igwhomps5853
@igwhomps5853 2 жыл бұрын
What’s your guy’s opinion on the LE5?
@gbrunner24
@gbrunner24 2 жыл бұрын
LE5 has displacement on it's side, but unfortunately we don't use them much anymore because of experiences in past. With boost/high rpm's the reluctor wheels like to shake themselves off the cranks.
@igwhomps5853
@igwhomps5853 2 жыл бұрын
@@gbrunner24 Thank you for the opinion, I have a 09 Malibu with the 2.4 and was wondering what can be done with the LE5 but since there’s bad experiences I’m sure that’s why you can’t find much of a market on them
@gbrunner24
@gbrunner24 2 жыл бұрын
@@igwhomps5853 The biggest downfall of the LE5 is the stock rods and pistons from the factory, those are only good to about 250wtq. The older models (05/06) have better rods, but most people who want to push the car need to immediately swap to forged internals. Unfortunately the Malibu doesn't get a ton of love just because it never had a performance model.
@chadoliver2966
@chadoliver2966 2 жыл бұрын
Tyler is 100 percent right on this. I'm supercharging my 07 Pontiac g5 gt and bought the zzp supercharger kit plus im adding their zzp dual pass kit, option b kit and cai along with the mid length header combo I bought from them in December. Like Tyler said these engines are fine on normal to moderate boost but not much past. If you are fine with that and just enjoy it being quick and fun you'll be fine. The lsj abd lnf is where you'll get big power from. And thankfully for me my car was made in oct 06 so I got the stronger internals but even with that 240 to 250 is max for me. Zzp knows these engines so im not going over that number because I want a still reliable fun car and not one sitting on the side of the road broken down.
@igwhomps5853
@igwhomps5853 2 жыл бұрын
@@chadoliver2966 I totally agree with what your saying, I never thought about going boosted on the LE5 but more of just little power adders that can make it have alittle more spice but nothing beyond that lol, I believe factory these LE5s have around 169 HP and 160 TQ (At least one my 09) and I also agree with Tyler these Malibus don’t get a lot of love due to that but it would be very fun to make a little quick but reliable car out of the LE5, if you guys have any opinion on what would be a great start for just basic little power adds I’m all ears!
@bloodpoolyt
@bloodpoolyt 2 жыл бұрын
a zzp prebuilt LNF / LDK long block PORTED HEADS FORGED BOTTOM END
@racerd9669
@racerd9669 9 ай бұрын
You mention the ZZP girdle, but you never show what it is?????
@angrydoc7775
@angrydoc7775 Жыл бұрын
I got a 2.4L LAF its uhhhh interesting
@craftchest
@craftchest 2 жыл бұрын
I have a 2005 2.2 vin F. I guess I have no options lol
@troublesome3607
@troublesome3607 Жыл бұрын
Nothing about the LTG?
@paulringholz4315
@paulringholz4315 8 ай бұрын
Has anyone or you guys figured out the timing chain failure issues on these engines and the oil consumption problems as well? I know that I have been seeing alot of those failures with these engines. But I know that they can be good engines. I'm possibly thinking of swapping the 2.4 or the 2.5 from the Cadillac ats from the junkyard maybe. But I'm hoping that some performance shops came upwith something to fix it. Or has GM fixed this issue and has possibly made better timing chain parts to fix that timing chain problem? Ok thanks and I'm hoping that someone will get back with me. Aloha 🤙🤙🤙🤙
@lsjionredlinesupercharged2049
@lsjionredlinesupercharged2049 2 жыл бұрын
I am wondering why they didn’t talk about the 2.0T LTG engine.
@gbrunner24
@gbrunner24 2 жыл бұрын
While it is an Ecotec, it's not within the Family II Ecotec's. We will eventually get around to making one!
@lsjionredlinesupercharged2049
@lsjionredlinesupercharged2049 2 жыл бұрын
@@gbrunner24 oh okay because I read the LTG was essentially the same but highly revised.
@zacharyball8009
@zacharyball8009 Жыл бұрын
LTG is a Gen 3
@lsjionredlinesupercharged2049
@lsjionredlinesupercharged2049 Жыл бұрын
@@zacharyball8009 yea I get just have questions
@zacharyball8009
@zacharyball8009 Жыл бұрын
@@lsjionredlinesupercharged2049 what are you wanting to know?
@reece7259
@reece7259 Жыл бұрын
Lsj all day
@Dane33781
@Dane33781 Жыл бұрын
I almost bought a 2005 ion redline new.
@seanbragg1696
@seanbragg1696 Жыл бұрын
Why you skip the saabs g5 and saleen
@JustaSoupBruh
@JustaSoupBruh 2 жыл бұрын
Got a Supra and now everyone’s telling me to not do anything to my lsj anymore. Kinda makes me upset that now nobody cares about my old friend the balt 😢
@gbrunner24
@gbrunner24 2 жыл бұрын
LSJ-T swap the Supra just to screw with them. JZ engines are great and all, but they're old news. If you're not making 1000+ then what's the point right? lol
@JustaSoupBruh
@JustaSoupBruh 2 жыл бұрын
@@gbrunner24 haha yeah. It’s a 7m and I already blew it up. Tearing it apart this weekend
@gulamfareed9945
@gulamfareed9945 2 жыл бұрын
Hi
@robertriccobene3106
@robertriccobene3106 Жыл бұрын
How bout ltg
@brxttz
@brxttz 2 жыл бұрын
1:53 super stong
@ZZPerformanceChannel
@ZZPerformanceChannel 2 жыл бұрын
Ope
@brxttz
@brxttz 2 жыл бұрын
@@ZZPerformanceChannel 😬😬😬
@do.u.groove5112
@do.u.groove5112 Жыл бұрын
Im pretty sure this engine line is owed thanks to SAAB
@skunkworks9-3
@skunkworks9-3 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, keep the Saab LK9 on hush mode. That porous block bit has be wanting to keep the 09 cobalt sedan at a low to moderate power level. I'll be happy with the 3-325 mark on that one.
@Bluegreenred
@Bluegreenred Жыл бұрын
Are you basically saying Ecotec engine is a good engine?
@markthurston601
@markthurston601 Жыл бұрын
Saab with 4wd and lnf engine and supercharged and big turbo is best
@Shooterbud
@Shooterbud 2 жыл бұрын
Damn there is never any love for the LAP
@Ilovegirlfights2
@Ilovegirlfights2 2 жыл бұрын
1a
@breakawaymotorsports
@breakawaymotorsports 4 ай бұрын
The LSJ...GM didn't design it...SAAB did. GM stole it when they bought Saab.It was a turbo when Saab used it, and GM slapped a blower on it. Works great in my Ariel Atom.
@scrambler69-xk3kv
@scrambler69-xk3kv 8 ай бұрын
Was hoping to hear about the 1.4 turbo and the 2.4 liter engines. This video does me no good.
@marcosmartinez7788
@marcosmartinez7788 Жыл бұрын
I love ecotecs engine old Saturn have those engine the equinox have those engine they are crappy yeaaaaa if you don't have any idea how bring that wonderful engine Back to life but this time better that GM dealer i have before other 4 cylinder like on ford rangers or dodge neon all that cars 🤣🤣 but wen I have my first ecotec engine i was like dammmm this MDF engine rocks and beat a Honda engine one time on my Saturn any ways they use the engine in mud race etc and I will go up to 300hp that small engine yeaaaaa crappy maybe 🤔🤔🤔 but don't mess on a good one because you never know never know
@dogdue4588
@dogdue4588 2 жыл бұрын
...you guys really need to practice smiling...
@ZZPerformanceChannel
@ZZPerformanceChannel 2 жыл бұрын
😐
@dogdue4588
@dogdue4588 2 жыл бұрын
@@ZZPerformanceChannel L O L...
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