Breaking Down The NBA Scoring Evolution From T-Mac to Steph Curry with Kenyon & KJ Martin

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10 ай бұрын

Kenyon and KJ Martin talk about the scoring boom in the NBA and whether it's happening because the NBA is SOFT.
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@eggison4life347 10 ай бұрын

I like how he’s indirectly saying that KJ and his teammates don’t care bc they let dame score 71 on them

@hendrikdalnoot2821 10 ай бұрын

I think SR talks way too big a game, like he wasn’t a role player. He shouldn’t act like guys weren’t goin off on his teams too

@kylepena2057 10 ай бұрын

@@hendrikdalnoot2821 He was elite.. fringe all star player at his prime and speaking to the inflation of the numbers now thats saying more back then than it is now

@XxTheRapture23xX 10 ай бұрын

Lool his dad was a #1 pick… what you mean role player? His game was literally intensity and defence, still averaged 15 for his career lol

@CN-gw5nt 10 ай бұрын

@@hendrikdalnoot2821casual clown comment

@icetredotnet6473 10 ай бұрын

@@hendrikdalnoot2821 K-Mart Sr was an absolute animal on the court stop it.

@kooli3229 10 ай бұрын

Paul looked hurt when Jackie brought up that Dame shot 😂

@joellogan1971 10 ай бұрын

PG talkin bout dame had like 30 sum when he hit that shot on him 😂 buddy definitely had 50 on yall 😂😂

@robbinseason7608 10 ай бұрын

Literally he know damn well he lyin on camera 😂😂😂

@Youngjsmith 10 ай бұрын

“Kobe was taking his day out on people “ 🤣🤣💯

@savonsanders3955 10 ай бұрын

Nah fr. During that Colorado trial, Kobe was torching niggaz on me lol

@torrancethomas6075 10 ай бұрын

Dame had 50 on you PG not 30 😭 that deep 3 over you was the Fiddy 😂

@trizzysmeez3698 10 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂 my jaw dropped bro when he hit that shot

@bryanishyper2819 10 ай бұрын

Ong I love PG but I know his ass cappin saying 30 😭😭

@jruwilkerson1356 10 ай бұрын

He he Perpin he swear don't nobody give him the business

@loboston453 10 ай бұрын

That shot being the 50 ball is crazy 😭

@503pnw8 10 ай бұрын

He sound hurt as hell when they brought up the game winner Lillard hit on him 😂😂

@basketball682 10 ай бұрын

Thes podcast are my favorite. When is Russ coming

@jorian32ginnetto 10 ай бұрын

Would love it but russ never has hoop interviews outside of nba media

@feekslaughter6582 10 ай бұрын

PG funny as hell, he know Dame gave him 50 and a game winner 😂😂

@BlendedbyKD 10 ай бұрын

Exactly 😂

@samihaider2307 10 ай бұрын

Russ and kawhi should be on the same episode

@xxtooshiestyxx8756 10 ай бұрын

I cant never skip a TMac discussion

@AkaHoodie 10 ай бұрын

Same

@aboutmillions 10 ай бұрын

I try to skip them because the casuals have entered the chat. They literally know nothing and do no research on Tmac

@michaeljohnson5354 6 ай бұрын

same here, I wish someone made a playlist of them.

@BrandonNguyen23 10 ай бұрын

TMAC could score in his sleep. Would give the league huge problems if he played today

@safikadir4369 10 ай бұрын

He couldn’t score to get his team out of the first round

@clutch7548 10 ай бұрын

@@safikadir4369Theres always a smart ass little comment thinking that takes away from his scoring Kobe was in the same situation before Pau came you silly casual🤡 Lakers didnt make the playoffs last year Bron averaged 30 Learn the game fool

@elbowgang9715 10 ай бұрын

@safikadir4369 your lord MJ couldn't get out the first round either u meat glazer

@aboutmillions 10 ай бұрын

@@safikadir4369such a lazy and uneducated take 🤮

@gabrielalele8603 10 ай бұрын

@safikadir4369 : It takes a 'Team' effort to advance in between rounds. T-Mac was one of the Best scorers in NBA History when Healthy.

@electricalg7870 10 ай бұрын

Get Steph on

@ragna8732 10 ай бұрын

One thing I love about the game is defense that leads to offensive scoring

@247grizzly 10 ай бұрын

If you acknowledge the skill set from everyone now as opposed to back in the day you have to take into account coaches will emphasize spacing which will allow teams to utilize everyone’s skill…..the nba is SOFT but the game plans are what they are because the skill sets are what they are…..

@cognitivedisability9864 10 ай бұрын

exactly, and if you look at the league from 2000-2005 defence was the emphasis, if you jacked up horrible threes most coaches would bench your ass. Only dudes like tmac/kobe/ai/paul pierce were doing that shit and making em

@crimsoncoconut2421 10 ай бұрын

the skill sets became like this cause nobody needs to have at least 3-4 centers simply because of 1 person and that is shaq. there are now more roster spots for players who are actually skilled instead of just having bigs with a bigframe/body to guard shaq, more of a common thing in WEST in the past years. the sad part is we really dont see any tony allens anymore. sure smart is there, and etc. but he aint no tony allen when it comes to defense, smart is wayyy better in offense tho.

@izthatsmitty 10 ай бұрын

" nobody brought that up"🤣🤣 pg was quiet till he said that.😂

@Aircheekz 10 ай бұрын

its cool when the old head is balanced and not taking shots at the new gen out (mostly outta jealously imo)

@LedgerLiner 10 ай бұрын

Its about 2 THINGS: 1. Scoring in 3s vs scoring in 2s. 2. MAGNETS.

@clutch7548 10 ай бұрын

You think theres magnets in the ball😂😂😂 For it to be powerful it would completely change the weight

@LedgerLiner 10 ай бұрын

@@clutch7548 United States Patent 0195021 - Basketball Shot Determination System

@Vipa567 10 ай бұрын

The NBA has completely neutered defense. I can't remember the last time they made a rule change that makes defending easier, it's always offense, offense and more offense. So, it's not surprising to see everyone averaging 20ppg when you realize how limited defenders are in stopping them.

@cottonmather8146 10 ай бұрын

Defense always shows up and matters more in the playoffs when the whistles tighten. The idea that the NBA has "completely" neutered defense when the champion always has a top 3-5 defense in the league is unfounded. Someone like Michael Porter Jr. would be able to score as an elite role player in any era

@IKMTIrr 10 ай бұрын

@@cottonmather8146BUT with the amazing defensive schemes they have today, if they left the defence play it would be crazy hard

@afrodemon8629 10 ай бұрын

@@cottonmather8146 Stop acting like you don't know what they meant. It might not be "completely" neutered but it's obvious that it's been neutered significantly.

@Durrtyred26 10 ай бұрын

It isn’t just the rules…it’s better spacing now because the bigs are a threat from 3 and every team has at least 4 shooters on the floor…Doubling stars make it worst because most can find open shooters…the players have evolved

@cottonmather8146 10 ай бұрын

@@afrodemon8629 No I don't. Maybe flopping but they usually don't call flops in the playoffs

@truetooclxtch7653 10 ай бұрын

Best Podcast 💯

@flu5h476 10 ай бұрын

i love how they just keep it basketball related on here

@tillman40 10 ай бұрын

Agree and no women

@TheIcemanthomas 10 ай бұрын

“Why u bringing up old shit.” 😂😂😂

@beardman4139 10 ай бұрын

Kenyon is the Joe Budden of basketball 😂

@ragna8732 10 ай бұрын

Somebody should’ve stopped Paula George when he said he don’t know what that feel like 🤣

@idiverse3457 9 ай бұрын

I agree a 100% with what Kenyon Martin sr is saying and this is one of the reasons why when im talking to lot of NBA fans that i say the 2000 basketball was the best time in NBA history because they had great defense and great offense, especially in the Later 2000s, now day Dude just jacking up the 3s which is boring in my opinion.

@jaderiusreed5550 10 ай бұрын

PG 🧢 as hell Klay put 60 on his head . Luka multiple 50 balls

@SonnyFalcone718 10 ай бұрын

Part of this is the younger guys don’t play defense and the way the game is officiated hurts defensive players not hackers but actual defense

@malrulesall9669 6 ай бұрын

Exactly

@JimmieHaskins 10 ай бұрын

The NBA changed Feb 2013…54 at the garden

@brendanbloom3366 10 ай бұрын

No it didn’t

@718- 10 ай бұрын

Facts I’ll never forget that game. That’s where it all started

@ninjachannel007 10 ай бұрын

I thought the same thing when Dame scored 60 and Donovan Mitchell did it like a week later then SGA dropped 50 like a day later, then Jalen Bronson got close....I was like it's really easy to score these days. I dont want it to be back to 03' when scores were 96-88, but I miss lockdown teams. The best defense in the NBA allows 110 a game now.

@wildlife876 10 ай бұрын

Man shut up Kobe had 81 lmao MJ had 69 in the 80s lol anybody can get it

@aboutmillions 10 ай бұрын

@@wildlife876dame, Donovan and them aren’t in the same class as Kobe & MJ. How did that go over your head??? 😭😭

@ninjachannel007 10 ай бұрын

@@aboutmillions Did somebody say something dumb and delete it? I only see your comment.

@IllJoy 10 ай бұрын

They need to allow hand checks probs just outside 3pt line

@KreyzAim 10 ай бұрын

This is refreshing. NBA players of the present and past need to speak up on this topic. I miss the defense

@bdot4774 10 ай бұрын

I don’t like how they trying to downplay how hood Houston harden was , how good joker was this past year, and how good Steph and dame can shoot.

@IKMTIrr 10 ай бұрын

That just how it is, ppl from different times but they need to do sometimes abt the defence

@dannytorres6491 10 ай бұрын

Y'all got barbecue chickened by SAS! Pandemic P back at it!

@rogerjohnson586 10 ай бұрын

Damn do you know how hard it is to turn Kenyon martin into a fan while he still playing is crazy

@OneEyedKing1 3 ай бұрын

“Kobe was taking his day out on people” meanwhile Kobe: I was stuck in traffic for a whole hour before I got here take this 60 piece 😂😂😂

@brooklunwalter8122 10 ай бұрын

it’s so funny how y’all think these dudes really not trying on defense. ITS HARD TO GUARD IN TODAYS GAME. it’s too spaced and it’s hard on the kness and achilles to close out and even he plays stop in go more. the body not meant to play that much alone. idk what’s going to happen to basketball

@aboutmillions 10 ай бұрын

You’re missing the point brother. The league destroyed defense and the commish admitted to it

@tillman40 10 ай бұрын

Imagine Bird getting 50 calling the shots…for real

@ismaelfofana4423 10 ай бұрын

You have to get Steph up there

@gawdszn302 10 ай бұрын

I’m w Kmart 💯

@deelak2329 10 ай бұрын

Mark my words, within the next 2 years, someone breaking Kobes record.

@ejlofficial 10 ай бұрын

we need the fun guy

@sethpotter4716 7 ай бұрын

What's good Paul George I'm a big fan of your podcast I'm a big fan of you and basketball I seen that you got like like a picture of like your sneakers in the background I'm like bro I never seen them colorways before I'm like bro I need to know what them pgs is because I want to buy them

@Sleezbaggz 10 ай бұрын

Put some length on him is wild

@yxnel3070 10 ай бұрын

Tracy McGrady was amazing hooper

@tawink 10 ай бұрын

The rules don’t let them play defense anymore.

@DynamicUnreal 10 ай бұрын

Scoring is definitely artificially inflated in the modern game because of the lack of double dribbles, travels, carries, and offensive foul calls.

@stringer2295 10 ай бұрын

honestly the fans feel the same way, non casual fans atleast. its not fun watching teams score 120 points a game.

@waltjones6927 10 ай бұрын

Yes it is😂😂 it wasn't fun watching 66 vs 68 Final scores like the NBA in the late 90s and early 00s. That's why they changed the rules. Ratings were in the toilet because fans were lookin at NBA players like thugs/animals

@elbowgang9715 10 ай бұрын

@@waltjones6927they changed the rules to bring in casual viewers just like baseball allowed steroids in the 90s to increase viewers. Are you stupid? That clearly was the problem in the 70s. David Stern made the dress code for that. You tried to slide that bullshit in like it was a fact 😂

@cod3d_black 10 ай бұрын

Kenyon Martin is absolutely right.

@tillman40 10 ай бұрын

The 3 was supposed to be a risk shot now it’s just a jump shot. They should flip it and make a dunk worth 3 and a jump shot 2. Bring the big fellas into the paint again

@cottonmather8146 10 ай бұрын

What a dumb idea. Do Jokic, Giannis, Embiid, AD not all dominate the NBA?

@tillman40 10 ай бұрын

@@cottonmather8146 sorry my era was the showtime eta when dunking was the man’s play

@cottonmather8146 10 ай бұрын

@@tillman40 Too bad players are better at shooting the 3 now. Not much you can do when Jokic runs a fast break and has 3 guys who can shoot 40% from 3 in transition

@deez9805 10 ай бұрын

No it was not a risk shot. It was a shot that only the best of distance shooters would make or take.

@moneymoney3235 10 ай бұрын

Yep a different game MUCH BETTER SKILL, more scoring guards. Better athletes, 6’6 pg who can do it all. 7 footers guarding the perimeter NOT JUST THE PAINT and can shoot deep 3s and pass like a guard. Big difference between todays and 90s

@coachmhee2590 10 ай бұрын

MUCH BETTER SKILL and MUCH WORSE FUNDAMENTAL. Refs dont allow fouls but they allow travelling.

@moneymoney3235 10 ай бұрын

@@coachmhee2590 keep crying the players are more creative with their moves. Better scoring guards. 6’6 and up point guards 💪 you can say “fundamentals” that’s just lies tho haha jokic shit on the whole 90s

@coachmhee2590 10 ай бұрын

@@moneymoney3235 European players are nice you correct about Joker.

@coachmhee2590 10 ай бұрын

@@moneymoney3235 If you can explain why Celtics lost to Heats last year? They extremely talented they much more athletic they just play dumb basketball. 1 all pro has no handle another 1 has no footwork and travelling all the time. In the end the word SKILL you said translated into step back/side step 3 nothing more than that. And the team that actually win are good fundamentally and had easy 2 points option.

@moneymoney3235 10 ай бұрын

@@coachmhee2590 it’s a make or miss league and Jaylen brown did turnover the ball a ton. Jimmy butler is a vet and more experienced than brown and Tatum.. Tatum and brown had to dunk more

@breadbreadman9589 10 ай бұрын

Jeremi grant prime example

@cnoteda1and0nly 10 ай бұрын

If Kenyon worked his ass off and learned how to shoot, maybe the Nuggets could’ve beat the Jazz in 2010

@ronaldpinson2236 10 ай бұрын

Craziest thing…we see guys do VERY well in the regular season. But when the playoffs come…tougher. Some of these guys having crazy games are known for shrinking in big moments when the game counts…

@ricerice566 10 ай бұрын

Hot take, but i think they should take away the 3 point line. Make every field goal 2 points. The way everyone is shooting lights out, I think the spacing would not change too much, but it would encourage better paint defense and encourage more physicality.

@DropEm. 10 ай бұрын

They should make a 4-point line but bring back hand-checking lmao.

@deez9805 10 ай бұрын

You do realize the entire reason for the 3 point line was to reward the difficulty of distance shooting to counterbalance big ass behemoths parking in front of the rim for 30 points. If you take away threes there is quite literally no reason to ever shoot the ball beyond 15 feet. It would almost shatter the perimeter game as we know it.

@BigDilf3 10 ай бұрын

I don’t think you understand how dumb this comment is

@waltjones6927 10 ай бұрын

@@deez9805they want to see 66 vs 65 Final scores in the NBA again so they can complain about how boring it is like they did in the late 90s early 00s

@MacP12 10 ай бұрын

Why would they do that lmao?? they would lose so much money for the score being so low NBA a business dawg

@blueyedevil2117 10 ай бұрын

mhm

@luisgonzalez6247 10 ай бұрын

I’m mad KJ is not a rocket no more 🤦🏽‍♂️

@jefferymccoy4057 10 ай бұрын

Dame gave pg 50 and a game winner

@ilovegodandjesusjohn316 9 ай бұрын

2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

@onlythestrong04 10 ай бұрын

Kenyon Martin looks extra uncomfortable with that small room come on PG. Great podcast tho.

@berrymckockiner5883 10 ай бұрын

LUKA, WEMBY, GIANNIS "its easier to score in the NBA"

@Foreign84 10 ай бұрын

Blame the league going soft. He right folks average 30 plus wouldn't even get 12 in Kobe Era! The rules messed the game up and now they're over paying everyone damn near

@vinh1351 10 ай бұрын

tmac never gotten out of 1st rd

@aboutmillions 10 ай бұрын

The league neutered defense in the regular season. But when the playoffs start it always reverts back to the old days, ask James Harden. All that flopping shit that works in the season doesn’t work in the playoffs.

@jodyebeard641 10 ай бұрын

If Donovan and Dame 2 great scorers who aren’t Even the best scorers both scored 71 points against the greatest Talents I guarantee Wilt scored 100 Against players physically and mentally weaker then him every way in the same season he averaged 50 lol him averaging 50 statistically literally says by numbers he would have had to score 85-100 points that day

@billyconnelly3568 10 ай бұрын

PG talking from 1:23 isn't making sense. He's trying to get along and smooth over shit and contradicts himself and is confusing

@ggxak 10 ай бұрын

Pg ass know dame gave him a 50 piece mcnugget

@AxlrossBigkumalala-ew7pj 10 ай бұрын

Chris paul

@mubarakbob5248 10 ай бұрын

First

@midhunp4895 10 ай бұрын

Curry 🔥🔥🔥🫡

@dreams3537 10 ай бұрын

Dude is one of the guys hes describing as lacking skill. He literally only was a toughness guy that caught some alley oops from Kidd and Miller. He was another Chris Kamen.

@MacP12 10 ай бұрын

17 & 10 and just a toughness guy? Cmon

@dreams3537 9 ай бұрын

@@MacP12 Idk if those are his career stats but anyone who knows basketball knows that doesn't tell his story. He was a fast break finisher and a toughness guy not some double double machine.

@TheSeballer 10 ай бұрын

Jackie fr the corniest dude

@michaelallen8112 10 ай бұрын

A You young heads need stop trying to discredit Wilt Chamberlain feats. Ever since Bron started that stupidity of trying dismiss Wilt accomplished ment cuz he didn't see it. when it witnessed account from competitors to his teammates as well statistician from both teams

@penndawg3534 10 ай бұрын

Imagine the superstars of the 2000s in todays game. My god, kob, shaq, AI, KG. Superstars of today would be 2nd tier stars. Those guys had toughness, grit, grind, and the superstar skill set to back it up. True alhpas.

@yerrrrrrrr4567 10 ай бұрын

steph jokic giannis embiid would be second tier? you’re insane

@penndawg3534 10 ай бұрын

@@yerrrrrrrr4567 yesz they would 100%.

@yerrrrrrrr4567 10 ай бұрын

@@penndawg3534 you’re not gonna listen to me because they’re active players but when they retire maybe you’ll appreciate the greatness of guys like steph luka giannis and jokic.

@penndawg3534 10 ай бұрын

@yerrrrrrrr4567 I think those guys you mentioned are great players in this Era. This Era is interesting though, the way the game is played is alot different now. Some would say for the better some would say for the worse. Idk its based on preference but I prefer older basketball, even though this entertainment focused basketball is fun to watch at times.

@penndawg3534 10 ай бұрын

@yerrrrrrrr4567 the super stars of the 2000s had the skillsets to compete with today's superstars but they were used to playing with physical defenses and less spacing. They would excel in today's environment. Can you say the same about today's stars being able to excel in other eras other than lebron and giansis? We know stephs ankles are weak and that would be hard on him with little spacing and more physical defense, the big men of today joker and embiid don't do well when they have a big body that can match up with them, im aisxers fan trust me embiid is soft, and most teams had big men protecting the rim, throw in the fact that stars weren't jumping teams joining each other so those stars would be bearing a much bigger load with less help, these are all things that these stars have never dealt with so we really don't know if they would be that great if dropped in another Era. But we do know AI, Kobe, Shaq, KG, Duncan, Jordan were alpha players who could lead their team when it counted and were relentless in a much more difficult, less free flowing Era. They would have a field day with the type of players plating today.

@ultraf0rward 9 ай бұрын

I really don’t understand the “maybe” people put on Wilt’s 100. There are so many witnesses. There are radio broadcasts. Not everything needs to be on film to be able to appreciate it. Jesus.