Looking for some good Aussie political docs on KZfaq. Have any suggestions?

@@capitol130 Try this 4 part documentary on John Howard: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pM-mgMtkuZ3UXY0.html

My second!

They did the same documentary in french and it's like looking at 2 different point of view.

Is there a documentary on the 1975 dismissal?

Imagine how Bouchard would've felt. Poor guy. (I'm a federalist btw)

I think had they focused on Quebec as a nation for all Francopones in the Americas, they would have won easily.

I was 17 back then and was for the yes campaign as most of my friends were québécois. I’m lebanese and I am fluent in québécois french. Parizeau’s words felt like a knife in the back. I suddenly felt I wasn’t part of the “nous”, ie. to the eyes of all white francophone Quebecers, I was an outsider and my rights under a sovereign Quebec wasn’t guaranteed. I moved since to Vancouver. Je me souviens Parizeau!

Yes, he gave off an obnoxious elitism this entire documentary. As a New Hampshirite, I’m so glad our neighbor Quebec remained a nation of idealism instead of a vulgar ethno-state like, par exemple, the Donetsk People’s Republic.

He was speaking the truth of what he really believed,...and that is the ugly part of most Quebec sovereignists.

Answering maybe to yes or no questions would be a quite fair description of quebec history, in my opinion.

How does one man's ill judged comment at a unique moment "irrevocably" end the right of a nation to self determination?

@@shadyberero6809 Does that same principle apply to the native aboriginal Indians, the native aboriginal Inuit-Eskimos, the allophones, and the anglophones too?

@@DarrelSimon Especially when it was decided later how Quebec would likely be divided in any future referendum calling it an injustice that Quebec should be divided.

@@canuckster24 they just can't because Quebec is slip plus how Quebec is been creative Quebec must divide plus... Do not forget the elites who control Canada is the french and not let francophones freedom of choices and rest of canada with french schools with minorities... Take in mind Quebec it's slip in zones and QC own unfair practices with feds know and screw us all. With mass beurocracts...

If it wasn’t from Montreal, we would win with big numbers. It’s from Montreal we should separate to begin with. Most Montreal people who speak English are not interested in the rest of the province at all, never saw sept îles or Gaspé, they take their vacations in the US or in Ontario, BC, or their countries of origins. They don’t know the province of Quebec and they don’t care, they dislike the people also and tend to ridicule the French and see them as idiots.

Charles de Gaulle elected the PQ?

@@shadyberero6809 Charles de Gaule did a Speech that ignite a incredible fire in the heart of Quebecois.

Even without Charles de Gaulle the independence movement would have existed :p

@@leocadieux6781 That's true. The problem was that it wasn't in his place to say that and he was out of line. Noticed how Chiraq and Clinton was refraining until they got completely cornered. de Gaulle stepped out of line and even his own party back in Paris condemned him.

It's like De Gaulle lit the fire, only for Parizeau to snuff it out.

Yes, it was great, even if I lost this referendum. But don't worry, you'll live that again soon. We still are not in your constitution and you still don't accept us. hahhahaha

@swami 7774 That's very normal in Quebec.

Prize for most fatuous comment on a documentary

What a profound observation. You can see that Trudeau, Charet and Chretien are utterly obsessed with putting Canada first before democracy, and above democracy in Quebec, and you see these right wing anti-democrats in action aiding, abetting the illegal invasion of Iraq against international law and killing young Canadians of armed forces and 100,000's of innocent civilians

what is disgusting is that you dont realkse the no side used the immigrant to vote no.

To me, a man who should be hung for treason to his country, Canada!

money and the ethnic vote won the election. blueprint for Obama, Biden and Justin Trudeau

Sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of (neo)colonialism and how Canada was purposely created in the intent of assimilating French-Canadian, more particularly Québecois

Many Quebecois fear if they do it again all of Canada votes and if they are voted out they are out.

QC need slip in zones to much crap from QC govt plus they earasing cultures replace with french... And its not possible..

Explain?

@@aaronhumes6267 When the Quebec Nordiques first drafted him he refused to go there.

Not anymore... Do you support our bill 21 in Québec?

Ces canadiens sont l'équivalent pour moi de batteurs de femme, ou d'anti avortement. Rien de différent ils ont Décidé pour nous c'est le plus grans scandale de nos vies.

Because he was saying if you weren't a white Francophone you weren't a Quebecois

@@firthbythesea That's not what he said.

He said 60% of "us" voted yes. A leader of all Quebec would say 49% of Quebec voted yes. The mask slipped. Everyone saw who he thought he was the leader of.

@@engg84 He was referring to francophones, not french canadian, so it's not such a big deal : immigrants who speaks French were included in this.

Yup

Prepare yourself again... We're preparing our third referendum in Québec. Brace for impact, our next big clash in Canada is brewing right now. We wanted to be in your constitution... You really don't care about your own country, Canada.

BloggerMusicMan Obviously Canadians learn History differently than Québécois. So we lived peacefully for 260 years, really? Maybe for the British point of view and, later, the Canadians (by the way, Canadian was the name for the Québécois people, originally...) but you should remember that your ancestors wanted to see us assimilate or, even worse, eradicated... Every time we wanted more liberties and justice, we’ve been demeaned, humiliated, repressed. When we spoke French, they replied « Speak white ». Your army invaded us in 1970 like if we were an enemy, foreign nation. Peacefully my a**

@@leocadieux6781 I actually don't see this is an entirely wrong view of Canadian history, and I think I referred to "understandable feelings of historical and cultural feelings of separateness" in my original comment. English Canadians do learn history differently from Quebecois, I'll grant you that much for sure. There are versions of Canadian history that are very one-sided, and I actually sympathize with the Quebecois when they talk about the history of English domination of the province, particularly commercially and culturally, and I understand attempts by Francophones to pass bills like Bill 101. If were part of a small minority within a country who was also an original settler on the continent, I would be inclined to protect my culture and language with measures like this too. But I also see the version you've put here as radically one-sided and missing extremely important context. For one, there is no mention of aboriginals (as there wasn't in my comment, to be fair). From their perspective, seeing two sets of European colonizers fight out who has oppressed whom is amusing, considering that a various times they have felt played by both the English and the French Canadians. (And fair enough in a sense, there was no equivalent to the residential school, reserve system or Sixties Scoop foster care system to squash French-Canadian culture and language.) Many Aboriginals would say THEY were the original Canadians, and in fact the word Canada comes from an aboriginal word. And yet, in this documentary the James Bay Cree in Quebec said they would rather stay in Canada than be an independent Quebec. What I refer to when I say peacefully isn't that there wasn't tension, or even a real threat of violence, but that relationships between French and English Canadians are not primarily marked with outright war. The FLQ campaigns and the October Crisis, which you bring up, killed I think a total of eight people. In a certain sense, the Metis rebellions, which killed a few hundred, sparked a certain tension between French and English too. These are tragedies, but not wars on a massive scale, and hugely trivial by comparison to ethnic conflicts of the world. (For some context, the Bosnian War in the '90s alone killed more than 100,000 people.) To my view, this is hardly a reason to break up a country, especially one that first resulted in immense benefit for both sides: a unified railroad and a unified block against the Americans initially for starters. The fact that George Etienne-Cartier chose Canada rather than risk invasion from the United States tells you something. It's not like he liked John A. McDonald. We're not talking about absolute ideals here. There is no such thing in this world. Of course the French and English relationship is fraught with tension and has sometimes been delicate. But what would Quebec look like without Canada and what would Canada look like without Quebec? I think both would poorer and much less stable, which is why most Quebecois and most of their political class have given up on the idea. It's why even Rene Levesque at the very end of his life sought for Quebec's interests rather than independence, and why Parizeau split with him over it.

They had nothing to do because the govenor generals role is apolitical

@@electronsdah I think I got the answer thanks

You are right,but the underlying issue here is why is that money, most Qc Anglos and ethnic minorities vote they way they do in the first place if not for the need to protect their interests. Had they been welcomed with open arms, a more inclusive and stronger separatist movement may still be relevant.

@@MrBlakman1988Why must the burden of acceptance always be placed on those receiving immigrants and not those who immigrate?

The problem in the word "ethnic" is that was used to say that quebekers consider themselves as white, in fact it was against the politics in Canada to predd the Italian and other groups to vote no.

So was I. I remember the tension, and not very fondly either.

Yes, it was great, even if I lost this referendum. But don't worry, you'll live that again soon. We still are not in your constitution and you still don't accept us. hahhahaha

I don't think they understood French very well. That might account for some of their facial expressions. I also think they meant well but didn't understand why this the gentleman was angry. Food for thought.

Charles Kobold They didn’t meant well 😒

@@leocadieux6781 Desole Msr. (Mon Francais est mauvais.) I am not Canadian or Quebecois so I will never tell people there how to practice politics. I find the topic to be very interesting from a historical perspective.

Jtaime comme un fou - Robert Charlebois

+Pepe Ringo And the one when yes supporters know they have lost? 1:18:54 ...

Luis TDB Félix Leclerc - L'Hymne au printemps

le camp du non qui a fait venir comme jamais dans l histoire à cette époque autant d'immigrants sans enquete de sécurité pour voté non. ta propagande canadian me fait vomir sur vous

It's a question of state affairs. When the UK has declared war to Russia, they knew the Tsar and the other king were cousins. It's a matter of state interests. Now in 2021, we're preparing our third referendum, even if Trudeau is prime. His father did the wrong thing to do for Québec and Canada doesn't give a f*ck. We need to resolve this issue. It doesn't matter who runs Canada.

I don't think it mattered one bit. Parizeau didn't care who was leading the country. All he wanted since the first referendum was to try again. He had to wait 15 years and waiting more than that might mean I would never see it in his lifetime. A better question would be why did the rest of Canada wait until that breaking point to try and change their discourse toward Quebec? Here, they look like a violent husband that brings flowers to a wife that has had enough in the hope she would beleive his lies one more time. Plot twist, it worked...

They really had no choice. Think about it, since 1968, or now 55 years, the Prime Minister has not been of Québécois origin, or has otherwise not represented a Quebec riding for only 11. In other words, Prime Ministers are usually from Québec.

"Why are black people blaming against racism while Barack Obama was president? "

Harper, Campbell, Clarke

I think it's : Tu peux ravaler ta romance

True

+Tarvinder Singh Watch Part 1, or the Radio-Canada version.

***** saw part 1 as well my friend but this doc looks a bit biased, there is no mention of other guys and what kind of maneuvering they did

You cannot imagine the greatness of the Québécois people at the helm of Canadian government and leadership. I mean the Prime minister of Canada was from Quebec, as well as the majority opposition party in Ottawa was from Quebec (Bloque Québécois under Lucien Bouchard ) even the Canadian national anthem was authored by a Québécois. I mean you could find imprints of French Québécois all over the Canada and to uproot that is like amputating a leg and a limb and two are a of Canada at the same time.

From what I understood from watching it (baring in mind that I am also not Canadian/Quebecer) was that the idea of alleged Illegality stemmed from the amount money used to charter planes/buses etc, which I thinkg would break Quebec campaign finance law, but not Federal finance law. And I think the controversy stemmed from the way that some Quebecers saw that the rally was just a bunch of outsiders who normal don't ever even think about Quebec arriving to tell the Quebecers what to do. Or at least that was how I understood it.

@@RobinKoenig1917 *Robin, your reasoning is spot on. This is exactly how the 62% of Francophones who voted YES in the 1995 Quebec referendum felt. Unfortunately, despite the fact that French-speaking Quebecers were in the majority when they were 81% of the population in that province, the fear propagated by the federal government and the NO camp succeeded in rallying almost all non-Francophones and the 38% of fearful Francophones who preferred to reject a geopolitical realignment in the north of North America.* 😞

Gilles Vigneault

YES

Vive le Québec libre !

They got the agenda to erase english coast to coast history repace bit bit with french the way over mass immigration french schools bit bit ...

He lied by saying in other avenues that a yes vote did not mean separation. In his address he told the truth of what the yes side wanted when he obviously had no intention of respecting that wish. I don't blame him for doing that, not one bit, but that is what happened.

"Long live Quebec delivered"?

@@jonleibow3604 tout ce un cartel et pris langue et tous la histoire enseigne en français au Québec es un mentir et communiste contra tous...

That didn't work out too well did it?

So tell me when are you going to stop saying Vive le Quebec libre and leave?

The replies are so funny hahah thinking that in that video we can clearly see them all shit their pants and coming to Quebec to beg us to stay, they now trash quebec.

Most likely less than that even. Hardline sovereignists are probably 35-40% of the population at most. Then there's the 15 or 20% that are soft nationalists that are more interested in the distinct society philosophy over separation.

Because that is not the question. The more simple question is "do you want to gave Canada a last chance instead we become indépendant" That is the question

Hell Yes. But I now fear that we are next. I'm from Minnesota. And we never have the same mindset or outlook on life and laws to lets say, the people of Alabama. I think we starting to reach our breaking point.

How dare you compare our loss of a dream, of a nation to call our own, with the loss of your indignant and pathetic President.

@Angel Henson can any state even leave the same way like Quebec?

@@KingOfInsanity777 , constitutionally, we are like Canada in that ours does not allow for the leaving of any states. However, that certainly hasn't stopped some from trying. No offense to Canada and Quebec meant but our Separatist movement resulted in 600,000 dead in just a few years, and I would hope future separatists will take note of that.

Speak for yourself, asshole. Next time, let’s see you defeat Trump without mail in ballots and unconstitutionally changing election rules last second without the consent of state legislatures. You clearly are not very committed if you can’t get up off your ass and drive down the street to cast a ballot.

Oui

Yes!

A very small minority, yes.

Ô Canada, terre de nos aïeux Ton front est ceint de fleurons glorieux Car ton bras sait porter l'épée Il sait porter la croix Ton histoire et une épopée Des plus brilliants exploits Et ta valeur, de foi trempée Protegera nos foyers et nos droits Protegera nos foyers et nos droits!

Boooo... You know where you can put your god, right?!

lolll ... ask the bankers from New York you dont know nada

Canada protecting first nations...loll

Canada would've lost a substantial proportion of its population, cultural strength, natural resources and economic prosperity, though. These are things that could've taken an entire generation to try and make up for (as much as possible).

That analogy of amputating a leg only works if you’re talking about taking a leg off a three-legged table. Sure it might still stand for a while, but it’s not what it used to be and it’s damn fragile now at risk of collapsing. It would’ve been the equivalent of the US Rust Belt (Illinois, Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Wisconsin, and arguably W Virginia and Kentucky) and New York seceding from the States.

>Just because someone has a leg amputated doesn't meant he is dead Exactly. Just ask Lucien Bouchard.

There wouldn't have been a Canada. Decades later, Roy Romanow, premier of Saskachewan, said that he prepared to seperate from Canada if the Yes side won.

fuck you

cyril layman The english have always been on the arrogant side.

Léo Cadieux LOL their only equal is the French in that regard. You two are perfect for each other. 😂

@IonXtreme You want some economic relief then its time to face reality and boot Quebec out. Justin Trudeau just like his father is pro French and will cater to La belle Quebec province.

Le pire traître de l'histoire.

lol... don't be ridiculous

You just don't know how to appreciate our accent

Don't worry... We're preparing our third referendum. We wanted to be in your constitution, but... But you obviously don't care about your country. Get ready for our next big clash and brace for impact. ahahhaha

@@stevelalancette6988 good luck winning the next one you have way more immigrants living in Quebec then ever before it wouldn't even be close.

@@bobbyrivet46 So, Bobby Rivet, I told you that we are preparing for our next referendum. What's your stand on bill 21?

Will never happen. Conservative Wexit supporters need to accept that the CPC lost the election and that Alberta inflicted economic damage on themselves. They have no one else to blame for their problems.

Yes, but wouldve also got a Bloq Quebecois landslide in the next election and Chretien needed Quebec to win another majority.

@@vaiv4svata Not true. The bloc already won a huge amount of seats in 93, that was the peak of their support

Just like Kosovo?

This kind of comment just prove that we need our independance. Vive le Québec libre!