We should be rewarded for our intelligence.

I didnt think they made the investigators look like the heroes. The investigators tried to look like the hero's, but failed. The only ones that did anything wrong were the casinos, by threating to hurt them if they came back. So I agree with you, they were simple bullies.

@Sheldon Cooper I don't know why casinos don't just introduce rules that would make card counting useless, or just have CSM's on every table if they are so paranoid about it. I think the dirty secret is there are many wannabe card counters who make the casinos money so they keep the games theoretically beatable but reserve the right to back off anybody who looks like they really know what they are doing.

David Gil de Gómez Pérez i agree...but i think how much can you really make or need? i mean beating the casino once or twice is awesome but you have to be careful....having super math powers can cause math vengeance by the casino number henchmen too.

They’re not heroes. Professional counters brought the game down for everyone else. No more single deck blackjack.

i had a small counting team a few years ago. when the casinos found out we were counters, they would just ban us from playing blackjack. no beatings in back rooms, no arrests. after all, counting is NOT cheating

It’s a private business, so they can do that Not the beating, the banning

@@xuploads you could make more money if you have black players on the team taking betting instructions by invisible earbuds. then when they throw them out, you got a million dollar discrimination lawsuit against them, like Dennys Restaurants they will settle out of court.

@@fritzvold9968 That would be cheating. Counting is not illegal because it is a skill, something you do in your head. When you introduce external devices, such as a counter/clicker in your shoes, or an "invisible earbud," you are now breaking the law and cheating.

Isn’t the whole point of any card game, counting the cards? Poker, BJ, Bridge, Canasta, ect ect ect. Ridiculous to throw people out for playing the game.

That’s so crazy I’m reading This comment as he said lmao

This documentary available for free on youtube is amazing, in stark contrast to the movie 21, based on the same story. That movie was complete and utter fucking dogshit.

Wow 😳

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@@jasonchu4400 clinton

@@jasonchu4400 The closest we ever came to this being publicized, is the American Coin Enterprises scandal. In this scandal, some video poker games were illegally programmed to block royal flushes at max coin. A man named Larry Volk was ordered by the company to rig those machines. Larry came clean and was going to testify against his bosses, only for his vacation trailer to be bombed, and for himself to be viciously murdered in his own driveway. The owners of American Coin ultimately managed to avoid criminal charges.

If you are a gambler gamble on games that need skill. Slot machines, dice games, tombolas, computer picks and wheels of fortune are stupid games to play. You deserve to be defrauded if you play those games.

True

Your ready for Vegas!

Why go there to lose the life savings

@@mizan6230 Some people cannot control their addiction.

The Casino exists to fuck you over...if you walk in there you know the risk. dont bitch when they bend you over.

Ha ha 🤣

Hahahahaha that was a nice one. LoL

Nice! Hahahahahaha

Also have menus memorized at all truck stops.

Austin p Noice... 😂

In this documentary, they used a more loose definition of undesirables to include both cheaters and law abiding advantage players.

Exactly. It's a bunch of bullshit.

ask a hotel maid in Las Vegas how many suicides they find. The number is guaranteed to shock you. They don't report most of them. People at the end of their rope go there all or nothing. Most of the time nothing wins.

@@DiZastur They don't report them ? What the H do they do with the body then ? Take it home and a make a " Weekend at Bernies " movie !

​@@DiZastur"They don't report them" why are you lying?

fuck this made me laugh so hard lol

Original.well done.

Good hope the casino 🎰 bosses are crying 😭

@@user-gh5he6sm5t What do you mean by original? I don't even know what that means. But you sound nice. Thanks for the thumbs-up.

ahahahahahahhahaah the best thing to happen to the greed of the earth and cift them for judgement

Casinos reopened at full capacity on June 1. There was so much pent up demand they will recoup all their losses. Most casinos had so much cash in reserve that COVID was just a blip. Any small casino that stays closed will just get bought out or knocked down for a new venue. Raiders stadium opening just off the strip in August - the whole season is already sold out

Well said! 👌🏼

I do Security at a large level 4 casino and most players are brain dead. Just blowing money and getting upset. Be prepared to loose. What do you think your doing in a casino? Giving up your money. Some people forgot how to function or walk.

@@CyberLordLLC I believe you haven't watched the actual documentary to have the context in which the above comment was posted..

Agreed. Its amazing how many times they say using your brain is cheating. Sad.

They never call it cheating. Not once. It’s undesirable. It’s competition.

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lol

You got 🐅 blood.

In fact that is the only way to guarantee having a winning outing every time

Next time hit the seafood buffet with endless champagne. You can definitely get ahead on those deals too

he did not have the evil spirit of greed

@@Beyond_Salvation they are not lol these are dramatized

If these guys were math geniuses why didn’t they just play poker

Casino offers game as facade, but they are not playing it themselves. From their PoV, they are entertainment preying on people's addiction and they should always make some set amount every quarter with some big swing from baccarat table against whales added as footnote in their ledger.

@@Beyond_Salvation, there are several legal cases where people who have not broken any laws have been detained by casinos for longer than is legally allowable.

You don't need a degree from MIT to count cards lol. You barely need your grade 8. What's impressive was their charisma and the quality of their cover for its time.

yeah that one silver haired guy that calls himself a "detective" was putting himself in real danger by acting like he was some unaccountable badass. He's damn lucky he never ran across someone that takes their personal security very seriously

Preach brother preach. Damn straight. Joke em if they can't take a fuck

card counting isn't illegal, but that doesnt stop casinos from trying to eliminate it

If a Griffin employee, especially a high level employee, is shot, and you are on the jury - not guilty. No matter what. They could do it in front of you point blank - not guilty.

@@MewtwoStruckBack It's code of law

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That was the dumbest line in the movie. If you can count the size of the shoe is irrelevant. The hard part is managing your bet size, camouflaging your play and accumulating a sufficient bankroll to survive a losing streak - the movie ignored all that too. Otherwise it was a great movie - I watch it wherever it’s on

@@drdrew3 I agree it's a typical hollywood dumb quote but it's quite funny knowing all the context of how dumb it is + famous card counters who beat the house.

The casinos hate people winning.

Its all about betting patterns

Now that's the way to do it. Flying under the radar.

He must be good.

have your lawyer join the team

Technically he agreed to go

@@allabored4443 GTA

They are legally allowed to detain you until the police arrive. They only do that when they have sufficient evidence. If you are asked to leave and refuse you are trespassing - just walk out when you are asked. If you are cheating that’s a federal crime and they can hold you for “a reasonable time while awaiting law enforcement”

@@drdrew3 They confiscated the money (chips) he had on the table. How legal is that?

Yes but you dealers learn to cheat so you get higher all the time. Whats your secret? :D :D

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The hard part isn't learning the system, whichever one you use. The hard part is applying it in the casino. Unless you're Rain Man, you're gonna mess up every shoe at first because of all the distractions. I found it fascinating to experience all the distractions while I was trying to concentrate.

takes less than that to understand the counting. memorizing basic strategy takes longer

Fucking idiot. How much does the Janitor on MIT makes a year 600 000$? Fucking impossible...

Yeah I would of took that shit and got another job lol

Lol @@thehanchoshow

everyone talks about it....................................................

@@thehanchoshow Set a little aside for grammar lessons. ;)

He even looks like he is a brother

GTA V heist in real life

Make more money suing them for illegally detaining you in a back room. That would be called kidnapping.

Lol the weirdest mouthpiece heard in my life

Mister L.

they are so stingy its not even funny.

did u bother to watch this vid

He deserves a kick in the nuts for getting the FBI, DEA and CIA involved in a legitimate operation.

@@FFM0594 Someone has an attitude... What's wrong? I've seen some of your comments, why all the toxicity?

@@IWasGivenRest your comment is irrelevant.

I would of kept it.

@@murdermuseum8280 Not a good idea with that amount of money. Somebody will come looking for it. And if it's not legitimate (drug money or something like that) you might be in trouble. Plus he was probably on video, so it would have been pretty easy to find him.

sockets

i don't get why what they were doing was illegal tho

Marc Jacobs It’s not illegal

Marc Jacobs it’s not illegal. It’s frowned upon like masturbating on a plane.

Alan Alban lmao!! I love that movie

I just looked at the time after reading your post...and it's 3.14 am. ; )

3:18 A.M

Oh, maybe you should go to sleep, so you can get an early start at "WORK" ing for someone else. Your up watching this cause, you'd rather really be doing something else, like not doing for others. I'm going to the casino today all day, with a grand then in the morning I'll be lying back in "Puerto Plata Dominican Republ [I wonder if there is a casino there. LoL I'll kill it, and that country doesn't even know this shit. LoL!!]

Top Notch, they might know the specifics of this shit in Dominican Rep, but if they catch you, something tells me you won't be walking away with all your fingers in takt.. or immagine getting caught by casino owned by cartel or mob.. I'm sure they have a hole dug up somewhere in a desert just for you..

Alex Howell 5 am for me

Well, they did use creepy music during the Andy Anderson scene, to make it look like Andy was out to sniper them.

Tell us how much you made, or STFU!

I've done something similar w online slots. There are patterns to good sessions/bad sessions and potential payouts - I've gotten so good at it that I paid my family's bills for over a year ($100K+) when my husband lost his income due to the pandemic. I consistently win $4-5K a month now, from my home.

Original poster, I have a close friend similar to you, though he never felt the need to write a novel about his life story on youtube.

@@marygoff3332 Sorry, but I'm extremely skeptical of any advantage play with online slots. Are you coming up with new user names each time you play? because they keep track of exactly how much you win and lose. They'd never allow someone to win "$4-5K a month" consistently....

I gree. Card counting online can make x5 your money. Is is the biggest I can do it. 20$ to 100$

Exactly, hell now days in hoise traffic doesnt even bring in the bulk of the proffits. Online sports betting is getting out of control.

Everybody knows that casinos (particularly the Native American tribes) make their money on old people and slots... ;-P

​@@jaxsenthomas859🎉can u give us an example of sports bets.

They went into Chapter 11 bankruptcy. Their company is still in operation, but they are not nearly as big as they used to be. Other companies have taken over.

@@ianandersen265 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griffin_Investigations

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griffin_Investigations

They Screwed up. They have to pay 2 people for Defamation.

@@mohammadbazzi3072 2 ppl? whatever will they do.............................

Exactly 😂

You must be the only one. How did they rig the game?

@@kirbylee57 It wouldn't be hard. Dealing more shallow with less depth penetration into the shoe is one way. The # of high cards remaining radically alters the percentages the deeper you go into the shoe. If they start to reshuffle after 1.5 decks in a 6 deck shoe, that would kill the counters.

That’s the job description of the casino’s head of security. They figure out how players are getting an advantage and mitigate the risk. The game has changed radically since the MIT and their imitators brought attention to card counting. It was pretty inevitable that it played out this way

did u figure that all by urself.............................?

u forgot 1 detail...................................................................................................... griffin is a woman. and in this vid a number of times......................... drunkard

read the book way better than the movie. i read it in two nights couldn't put it down.

did Mr. M really take Simians money? is what I want to know.

@@indamixup2189 name of the book?

it worked until................................................................................................... it didnt

Casinos are a business and they have a right to refuse service to anyone. They didn't do anything wrong.

Card counting is not wrong but the casinos don't like it so they have a right to refuse your business.

@@briannguyen2293 I swear I wrote my comment before I read yours. lmao

@@KNByam Thanks for your answer. But that raises another question for me. Isn't that a kind of discrimination? Casinos aren't allowed to say "No Blacks Allowed", but they're allowed to say "No Card Counters Allowed"? It's a skill. lt's not illegal. That would be like if JC Penny barred me because I'm really good at figuring out their sales and coupons. I guess if you're rich enough, you make your own laws, right?

@@thequietknitter9107 casinos are private entities and they can create their own rule of not letting card counters play. It's not a matter of legal or illegal talks. Just like some malls are saying that no pets are allowed in their premises.

This feeling when you beat all of them out of the box…awesome

You can do it too. Lots of practice and concentration

I’m also think so, that those MIT folks are brilliant, they’re not cheating, only used brain and maths

Oh...just typical nerdy, genius kind of comments, no?

r u drunk

Nope the movie is way more entertaining, unless you are just interested in Black Jack.

@Sheldon Cooper I mean, chill...

Sheldon Cooper can you count cards by yourself ?

@Sheldon Cooper don't be so Anal about it buddy

Did it make you wet your panties in excitement?

Ultimately, anybody that plays those games are suckers because the odds are against you to win. When you do win consistently, the assumption is made by the casinos that you are cheating so they throw you out. Basically, the casinos are happy you are there because, if you do it right, they win.

the threats are not legal, counting cards is legal. but casino owners have the right to kick you out , in the end they own the damn thing. and threats are more to scare you not to actualy arm you.

in the old days they would backroom you..Now its about the Database ..they're more polite now

They won't do that though they could get away with it sometimes.

Not anymore. They left it ambiguous to make it seem interesting and deter people thinking about it. If they do that now, you can call 911 and they will get arrested for assault. However, back in the 60's and earlier when the mob ran the police, they might, MIGHT, be able to backroom you.

They can. The Natives do what they want.

Wow, they actually bankrupted an entire casino!!!???

Yeah right

@@JohnDough-yr2zt Actually they moreso mentored the new group. But surprisingly, Don Johnson is real. www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/04/the-man-who-broke-atlantic-city/308900/

and im the king of pluto

That was me. I bankrupt said casino.

me

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+12JOSSUE Im looking to start one online

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You still deal at Mohegan? Have any info on their surveillance departments?

@@christophercarlone9945 I do not, not since 2011.

100% Agree with you. it is very hard to Count cards with 8 deck shoe. Here in Canada the casino do 8 deck shoe and also a Machine Shovel. And plus everytime you play specially if you gonna start with big money the Dealer Ask for your reward Card. So they know you name and they know who you are. Every blackjack player have a Casino Reward card. If you don't have one you give them your ID. I honestly When I play blackjack I just follow the Basic Strategy and sometimes I get lucky and sometime I dont. I swear I just don't believe people Are actually count cards. Dealer Always Cut the shoe and also there is 8 Deck shoe it is impossible to Count.

it isnt hard to count at all, drunkard

Do casinos cheat

Lies again? MRT MIT

Yep

Mr M left a bag of money worth 125 grands in the classroom for the janitor to find it that was not very clever

Mr. M was smart But was never showed to to be that kind of smart

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@Hgyvtfygyhuh Ygihvutctvnininnin haha those Vegas casinos probably make an average of $1million + PER DAY. That blackjack team wasn't even siphoning a fraction of a % of those casinos yearly revenue. I'm speaking in terms of relativity. If you make $200 daily and I take $1 out every day, are you losing $1 or making $199? Not that difficult of a concept. Use your brain.

What is such psychic costs that you mention?

@@arribaficationwineho32 basically someome getting busted

@@samuelfischli392 got it!

Good soundtrack too . Cool to know that great film was a true story

I loved that movie!

So the Casino fixed the game.

Exactly. I've never been to vegas but i've played at most casinos on east coast and it all depends from place to place. I've experienced dealers rotate in/out as frequently as every 6 hands which is bizarre. I'd normally expect it used to be 20 hand intervals back in the day (i.e. about 5 decks ==> average of 3 players + dealer; typical turns where each player hits once on average, dealer hits twice on average; so average of 13 cards per hand x 20 hands = 260 cards /52 cards = 5 decks). They usually reshuffle or bring in a whole new dealer every 6-10 hands now. Im sure the back is on the cameras and as soon as someone is on a hot streak they reset the table.

There’s methods to counter all of this. True count ace tracking green red zone method. Card counting is baby math.

Also 6 to 5 tables. Biggest scam even for non cars counters

Don't bother reading the books. The author has a reputation as an exaggerator and fabricator among his fellow teammates...

and im the king of pluto

Ahaha. Television is always depressing no matter what you watch

it isn't cheating, so you can't be arrested for it. what they usually do is just ban you from playing blackjack

YEAH! Cheating a casino out of its money, playing the odds of the decks used.

@Terry Melvin yeah, and many of them have switched over to automated sorting machines which makes counting impossible.

I’m in total agreement

100% I played $20 in my lifetime

☑️

Exactly. Why do betting shops have three paying-in windows but only one for paying-out?

You can’t beat them by not going - that’s a push.

good i wasn't the only one thinking that lol if they had 2 dozen why not send 4-6 people per week to play and have them rotate while lettig them train other new players. i also agree that management should not get 45% they should get 20% but that is after everything is set up. in the first year or two they should get 30-45% at least while the investors get 20% tops and the player get the rest split between all the players. that way once 1 person gets caught they simply get kicked from the group or have them train other players.

mr 'm' mickey was using lots of teams,it got to the point teams were bumping into each other at casinos,like wtf? mickey was greedy.

because then there's no money going to the players. If it takes 6 months of daily practice to turn a gifted student into a human odds-computer, and then you only use that person 2 weekends a month, with the way they had their salary structured, recruits would have essentially passed it over. Train daily for 6 months before i can even start making money, then continually train, while giving up one or 2 weekends a month, to make 10% of an amount that isn't even guaranteed. Team Play has two major problems, too few members means the team is made too fast, too many members, means there's not enough money to make it worth people's while. You can't just have the made people 'train' recruits, because this can easily be done by the memebers who aren't. There's no reason to make them 'managers' because you'd eventually end up with 1000 of them. especially these days with facial recognition.

they left tooooo many trails,,, home address all to close to MIT,,, giving out tooooo much info to the casinos,, win and leave / go to another casino,, keep moving,, no phone calls,,, wow! and they are from MIT ???,, not too smart,, ole USN vet

Trying to run it as a corporation is always going to generate problems. The player are going to resent getting such a small cut when they are the ones doing all the work and taking the risks. It's inevitable that after a year or so they'd want to play for their own advantage, but by that time they would already be known to the casinos. The players are actually disposable patsies, used to make money for the investors and then discarded.

Does the back room really exist?

@@SANTI-zg3wp Yes, at some casinos. When I was first starting out I got fooled into going into their backroom. Got my first trespass that way.

As Nikola Tesla once said: "One has to be sane to think clearly. But one can think deeply and be quite insane."

They do call it organized crime for a reason. Laws are bought and sold everyday. How do you think OJ Simpson avoid a murder charge? MONEY How do you think Clinton avoided rape charges? MONEY How do you think Justin Trudeau avoided criminal conspiracy/obstruction of justice/statutory rape charges/treason charges? MONEY

@@misterysmithers8566 how do u think Maddison Cawthorn And Matt Gaetz and the republican congress can have orgies and cocaine parties

Anyone who publicly says on television card counters are cheaters should be charged with slander and/or libel. Card counting's legality is not a matter of opinion. The courts have ruled it is not illegal and therefore not cheating, so there!

MONOPOLY35 Wrong! It's cheating if they are winning! I should be able to rob under the guise of gambling. Come on, I am the lord of underworld here. Muah hahaha, muahahaha, not. And I also paid for this documentary, thanks bye.

They don't specifically call them "cheaters" but the strongly allude to it. When the Griffin people are talking about their jobs, they always start by saying casinos hire them to catch and bar cheaters then casually add card counting on the end. They can't come out and specifically say card counters are cheaters because that's not correct but by saying "we catch cheaters for casinos...oh and watch card counters too" it gives the impression the two are lumped in together.

Oh wow. Sorry to hear that… Was his murder connected to his card counting? Did it get solved?

@@anti-ethniccleansing465 no he quit gambling when i was born and the murder was solved it was non related

@@NessieTheCatt That’s “good“ to hear at least. Sometimes we hear stories of casinos getting really pissed off at card counters, and who knows how long ago he was card counting/gambling with your original post (perhaps it was when the mafia still ran that industry), so I’m thankful that this wasn’t the case in your father‘s situation. Still sad to hear that he was murdered nonetheless! 😢 Your father sounds like he was a good dad, since he gave up gambling when you were born. I have a lot of issues with my own father, but I respect him for the fact that he gave up car racing when my older brother was born, as my mother put her foot down and said that she didn’t want him to be risking his life like that when he has a child that depends on him. It’s interesting that you didn’t believe your dad when he said that he used to do this, as I bet he was tempted to teach you how to do it at some point. ;)

The mob goes, the mob tactics stay.

Vegas was built by the mob

Yes, they get nasty when u start winning. And they will kick u out

Gambling is nothing more than another form of entertainment not unlike going to a movie,you don't get your money back if you don't like the movie,so if you are going to gamble then pick bets that allow you to lose as slowly as possible. Ideally you should take all the money you plan to gamble in your entire lifetime and make a single bet with the lowest casino advantage and quit then and there win or lose.

No. I usually win. I’ve never been kicked out. Aggressive card counters are very easy to spot. When you get greedy you get identified. It’s a game of cat and mouse - that’s part of the excitement and entertainment

lmao would anyone ever say "yes" if asked if they were counting?

Honestly bro I think you were having 95% luck to maybe 5% accidentally keeping count. Keeping the count is fairly hard irl. Not saying you didn’t subconsciously count but you also likely could’ve had the opposite count of what it actually was

I think it was the challenge, to see if they could do it - but also transferable skills for the future - You know that there are casinos in Cambodia now - you could move around the world using this system, betting the lowest possible amount when the cards are low, but then betting a reasonable amount when the cards are high and make a healthy living without ever going to a big casino... It's possible, if you like to travel a lot.

Just the type guy casinos want.

or stealing a quarter from his wallet

Sometimes very rare I hear numbers in my head, call it intuitive. Only happened about three Times. Once I got five numbers in a row (never happened again) playing roulette. I only gamble small so I’m not threat. Anyway this guy came up to me out of no where and asked if I was psychic ... he was making all of these questions and I was thinking this guy is part of the security team. This week there was a video uploaded with a guy playing poker and he is on tv actually tell everyone what card is going to come out and it does Try and look for it And it is interesting ...

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@@intuitivediane sdfu nutjob

Cool story😭

@Blue 30's ,Did not feel like 'cool' then ... I was just grateful to get out of the staring man's presence!

+Gottfried Leibniz not necessarily cheating.. they could just claim you are intoxicated and had to much to drink

+Gottfried Leibniz Funny how in all the years in the industry we NEVER ONCE accused or threatened anybody. And the players that won big were treated like kings. And remember, whatever you wish on thers comes back on you. So......I wish you a VERY LONG and HEALTHY life..............although you wish me death. LOL

OriginalGateKeeper I suppose that "king" treatment if refused, there's no chance that the house gets the money back. I also suppose you don't mind me coming and using card counting techniques. better watch out I'm with an engineering degree and can get this done.

+Gottfried Leibniz You have a choice. a) ignore the leech and let it eat you. b) remove the leech from your body.

+Rusty Shacklford very funny