Legend of Zelda timeline: *splits into three equally valid paths* Breath of the Wild: "I am inevitable"

I find it hilarious that one of the first things we found as evidence was salt.

Nintendo: "Just make a bunch of games and let them figure it out." KZfaqrs: "I'm about to make this my whole career."

Little did we know... Ganondorf really is in BotW!

I wouldn't be surprised if it's going to turn out that Nintendo pulled a fast one on us and Breath of the Wild takes place in a future _fourth_ timeline, just to mess with us.

My theory: in each timeline Gannon eventually gets all 7 infinity cuccos and resets everything to the way it was before skwrd sword with a few things left over and this happens twice with the outcome of oot being different each time before BOTW eventually occurs

“The most controversial aspect, *Zooms in on Zelda’s butt* the timeline.”

I believe that they just _make_ the game and then, people ask about the timeline, and they have to scramble to find a way to fit it in. I dont believe they ever had a idea of connecting all the games at all.

That’s not darunia carved into the mountain it’s darmani from majoras mask, he has the same necklace

I think Zelda wasn't made to have a timeline and Nintendo was like "uhhhh"

So basicallly they've decided to reboot the history by making this a new start in the far far future?

I remember Aonuma saying that BotW's place in the timeline was deliberately not considered so as to avoid limiting creativity while creating BotW's Hyrule. I don't recall the full quote but it may have had to do with all the references you find in the game.

Technically with the sequel, Ganondorf will probably return. Therefore: the argument of BoTW only being in the fallen timeline is wrong since Ganondorf exists under Hyrule castle.

EDIT: quick mistake it 5:37. That statue actually resembles Darmani and the Goron Elder's son. They are both from Majora's Mask which actually strengthens the child timeline sine Gor Coron is also under the same split! Well, it's time to open Pandora's box and FINALLY do an official timeline video. The reason that I held off on this for a long time was because my knowledge of Zelda doesn't really extend much outside BotW. But since an official placement was revealed, I figured it was time. This video was originally going to be one, and would have probably been a whopping 25 minute episode. But since I am in my final year of college, I had to split it up. Honestly kind of scared since I don't know how I'll balance it with my channel, but I'll do my best! With this video split up, it will help a lot with my workload. Anyways, that's all. Hoping to get the next episode up in 2 weeks (Also btw at 1:30 I said "my share of videos" but I didn't mean videos that I made obviously. Just a little mess up in the wording for that part) See you guys! Make sure to subscribe if you enjoyed and share the video with your friends because it honestly does make a difference

I'm responding a year later but also Urbosa also mentions a tale of Ganon once being a Gerudo so they acknowledge him turning into the beast thing he is.

The last appearance of the Master Sword in the decline timeline is actually A Link Between Worlds. The "forever" in ALTTP didn't really hold up great.

this is actually one of the best theories I've ever seen regarding the timeline.

13:00 The Master Sword appears in the Korok Forest because Zelda places it there after Link falls to Ganon, we see that in the flashback upon pulling out the sword. We don't know how Link came into possession of it before that point. Its modern day placement in the forest shouldn't have anything to do with the preceding games.

I like to think that each timeline had an alternate version of the events. Like no matter what happens this certain city will eventually be built no matter what or this certain Goron will become important for the same reasons in a different timeline. Aka there is no butterfly effect in the Zelda timeline, some things are just fated to happen

So. Basically, Botw is a compilation of the best Zelda games according to metacritic? Skyward sword, Ocarina of time, Majora's mask, A Link to the past, Wind Waker and Twilight Princess.

Boi I've never played a Zelda game apart from BOTW, so I barely know what the hell is going on in half your videos, but watching all these theories makes be get that little bit extra knowledge about the timelines. I read someone's opinion of BOTW's placement, and they said that Nintendo might be trying to 'refresh' the timeline, and (to me) it makes sense. Maybe BOTW is like underlining all the timelines and when more games are made, the timeline will start to make sense, and then Nintendo will say what BOTW falls under. BUT I don't really understand the whole timeline debate, so I may be completely wrong (don't kill me). 👍

Yeah that's cool *but have you heard Mipha's voice in Japanese*

I finally realized what happened, why the GREAT colamity was so week.....and overall dissapointing. It's simple, it's not all of Gannon , but only a single peace of it, a very very small peace if his mallace. Notice, you fight him in the sheka lab that 10,000 tears ago . This means that he was being tested on, later on we find this testing was furtherd by the yega . This is why he is covered in the technology of the sheka clan. But as I said I......YOU FIND HIM LOCKED IN A LABRATORY!!! Meaning the Gannon we fight, who has no thought process, no plan, no nothing, he is just locked away down there and brakes out....so here is my thoughts on this. After the defeated Gannon 10,000 years ago , they took a small fragment of Gannon and revived this small portion of him. This would mean Gannon could never reincarnat, never reach his full and true power again , because he was already alive in some small portion, this and them they locked him in there labratory to never be seen again. But they warned there children about his return so they would never grow to week to defeat him. Not being able move on gannons spirit starts to take control of the gardiams and manipulates the yega to Mont his roting body with the technology , knowing that he could not control his body himself. This is why the spirit of Gannon is flying around the castle but you never fight him. This is also why link and Zelda reincarnated, because Gannon never died, and they only reincarnated after colamity gammon was Strong enough, this is why it took 10,000 years instead of the normal 1,000 in most Zelda games. This is why mallis is a black goop, it's rotting flesh, this is why Gannon is so week, it's because it's not actually Gannon, but instead his rotting corps kept alive to provent the cycle from repating it's self. An attempt that faild Thank you so much for reading this have an amazing day and God bless

I'd love if Nintendo would find a way to bring the timelines together, and allow all of the Links to meet up. That'd be cool, but alas, that would surely never happen. Or maybe, this map was a mix of all the others, and this is a merger. Woah man, aliens. That's what I'm going with.

My opinion is that it's in all three timelines and none of them. I'll explain. Impa says "faded into legend" and King Hyrule says "stories of Ganon", as you mention. But I have a different take: None of the three timelines actually happened in Breath of the Wild. The three timelines are, in fact, the "legends of Zelda", fairy tales concocted by the inhabitants of Hyrule, embellished over thousands of years and bearing little resemblance to what actually happened. Spirit Tracks? Just a fairy tale. The otherworldly Twilight dimension? Myth. P-bags? Legend. The Legend of Zelda.

"Timelines cannot converge" Me, an intellectual: Git merge

Teacher: “Cmon the test isn’t that hard!” The Test:

Right after you beat divine beast noboris urbousa says that ganon was a gurudo once

I honestly think it Would be awesome if all of the timelines came back together

Haven't watched this video yet, but I personally believe the timelines merged, I believe that the Golden Goddesses are a sort of higher dimensional being, unaffected by the timeline split, therefore when the Golden Goddesses flooded Hyrule in the Wind Waker, these were the same Golden Goddesses who had statues built of them in Twilight Princess, and who manifested as Oracles in Ages and Seasons. There isn't a group of Din, Nayru, and Farore of the Adult, Child, and Downfall timelines, there's only three, if you split the timelines one million times, there'd still only be three. At some point, the Goddesses chose to merge the timelines for some unknown reason, maybe to make it easier to end the Curse of Demise in all timelines. They set about unifying the timeline, picking and choosing things from each and placing them in a single timeline, while muddying the memories of the past timelines until they're nothing but myths to the modern inhabitants. The River Zora had existed once, and some may tell tales about them, but they may not exist in this timeline. The Rito evolved from the Zora, yet no one seems to remember this, and if any would speak of it, it would likely be considered myth. The Triforce of Courage could not be taken from one timeline to another, and it shattered as the Hero of Time returned to the past with it, yet he still gained the Child Timeline's Triforce of Courage none the less. I believe the Goddesses intervened here too, both assuring the Triforce piece would shatter to train a new hero in the future the Hero of Winds, and to assure the Hero of Time retained a piece of the Triforce to prove his claims to the Royal Family.

I agree. I think that the reason Breath of the Wild takes place in all timelines is bc it takes place so far into the future that the history of Hyrule has been forgotten and obscured due to time and therefore the timelines are not really timelines but different versions of the same legend

You mentioned the Koroks being only in Wind waker The Koroks are the Kokiri’s true form They originally were Korok’s They just look like that in Ocarina of time because Link is a Hylian In Wind waker they turn back into Koroks because of the great flood and in breath of the wild well I don’t know there just Koroks in that game

to get any definite answers, we're just going to have to wait until future Zelda games to give us more evidence. Maybe it's a new timeline or maybe Nintendo hired Deadpool to go back in time to fix continuity issues. Also gotta remember; it's just a game. Also, it's a game franchise that was never intended to become the huge success it is today.

And then there’s breath of the wild 2

Wow great video! This is the first that covers everything! The thing about the Master Sword's in the end was even new to me. Subscribed!

So could we say that the timeline merges not before BOTW, but with BOTW?

The thing with all this is that this games represent the LEGEND of Zelda Example: the Twilight Realm exists in all the timelines but only in one of them Ganondorf is sent there And each game style represent each way the legend is told...no ones really knows what happened after ocarina of time, so they tried (the hylians) to explain why the koroks are how they are etc etc But even thought no one knows what really happened so is all a LEGEND they do know how it ended...in Breath of the Wild That’s my theory...a theory that is opened to a bunch of new games and even new timelines

Child is the strongest one to place it. In Twilight Princess, Shad was studying ancient Hylian technology, and saw the start of excavating it (Owl Statues and the Dominion Rod). It could be easy to see the discovery of the guardians etc as the endgame of that.

Great Plateau is Castle Town from Ocarina of Time. That rules out Adult Triumph timeline. Personally, I feel like Child Triumph timeline is more likely than Downfall.

I like the idea that the timelines converge. It allows weird things in legends and the geography to happen

People need to stop ignoring that Aonuma specifically said that it has no connection to Wind Waker. That alone disqualifies the Adult timeline. Period.

"In the Wind Waker the sword is washed away with ganon, so how can it appear in BOTW?" Ummmm, idk but isn't it a magic sword? I don't get why everyone's so obsessed with the timelines when it's a bloody fantasy game with all kinds of messed up magical things going on. The timeline is the least of our worries

Lynels only appear after a long time of ganon control without a link thats probs their qualifications

9:43 Actually, that would make sense. Just think...everything that happens after Ocarina of Time is probably a way to try a rebuild a true timeline. Ganondorf seized power after obtaining the full triforce and gets either defeated or is victorious, creating the split and upsetting the balance of the world and time. And each conflict after that is an unstable method to rebuild a broken tineline centered around the Triforce. Heck, Skyward Sword made a wish on the Triforce and that led to Demise's curse for a neverending battle between good and evil. The world must be set into balance. "For every action, there is a reaction. For every wish, there is a price to pay". To conclude, the three timelines are probably trying to become a true and single timeline and Breath of the Wild may be the inevitable period that is set to correct the timeline. ...I mean, I just thought of this on the spot. Correct me if I'm wrong. Lol

I think it’s either: A. 1 of the 3 splits B, A converged timeline C. All 3 Timelines D. It’s not canon. I’m leaning toward C. Edit: I’m writing this before watching the video.

Back when the game came out in 2017, I always thought that Breath of the Wild was in the adult timeline for certain. It wasn’t until earlier this year where I decided to actually consider the other possibilities, and I eventually believed that this game actually works just as equally in all 3 timelines. Honestly, I’m happy that Breath of the Wild not only contains elements from all 3 of them, but also separates itself just enough from the rest of the Zelda timeline. I feel like future Zelda games should do this as well, so the developers can take the time out to make a fully fleshed out story without having to deal with timeline contradictions. Anyways, another great video NBC!!! Keep it up!!

I also like the idea of a gradual merger. BotW showed that massive destruction can happen. It wouldn't be far-fetched if after a particularly brutal slaughter ending in near mutual destruction from both sides, the goddesses merged what's left (survivors and all) into another equally exhausted timeline. From the pov of the inhabitants, it could look like an area covered in fog for some time and gradually clearing up, and then they'd see another nomad tribe with their own sets of legends and a bunch of ruins. In the current BotW environment, at most that'd lead to a "Huh? Were these people/ruins here?" reaction. Receding floods and floating islands are also good occasions to stitch several world pieces together. Of course, this is just pure guesswork. In this case, the merger would not be some big world event, but just the compassion of the Goddesses bringing scattered survivors into a world with more people.

I know I'm responding a whole four years late, but I've thought a lot about this myself and done some digging in the past month. As we know, Impa talks about Hyrule having a cyclical history of conflicts with Ganon, and that each conflict has faded into legend. Creating a Champion goes a step further to say that these legends are so old, no one knows what actually happened and what didn't. (Although everyone seems to have some knowledge of the events of Ocarina of Time, considering the names of the Divine Beasts and the Zora history involving Ruto being a sage...) Creating a Champion also brought up in the History of Hyrule section that in the Era of Myth, Ganondorf becomes Dark Beast Ganon, and Link and Zelda combine their powers to seal him (it doesn't mention the Sages, although they aren't entirely excluded from the actual events, as it could just be that they weren't written down). Dark Beast Ganon certainly references Twilight Princess (which I haven't finished yet, so I may be wrong, but Link and Zelda are the ones to seal him, with no Sages present), but Ganondorf transforms into a beast in every other timeline split as well, although he reverts to a human again in the adult timeline following OoT. (He stays a beast in the fallen timeline, and becomes Dark Beast Ganon later on down the line in the child timeline.) Even the way Hyrule's history was written in Creating a Champion leaves the options open for BotW to be an outcome of every timeline, which I think is really cool! There are a few things that I've wondered how to reconcile, like Rito and Zora both existing if it could literally be any timeline, but the Zora's evolution to the Rito was pretty conditional, but it could just be that with enough passage of time, they could've evolved anyway... (Basically, my overthinking brain says that even if the same basic events would happen at the end of every timeline, some small details have gotta be different, right? So therefore, looking at it from a real world perspective, depending on which timeline you're following, certain details would change from timeline to timeline, so different versions of BotW exist where minor details are tweaked depending on the timeline, but I'm pretty much just overthinking at this point. Of course, it's not realistic for evidence for three separate pasts to exist, but it's a game, and the evidence for each timeline is just there more for our sake. To the Hyruleans, their distant past is a jumbled up mess of myths and legends that no one can truly decipher.) Anyways, I know I've sort of rambled by this point, but I have one more point that I thought about. In her Subdued Ceremony speech, Zelda references all the timelines. The names of the Divine Beasts are clear references to the Sages (and Medli(?), who is also a sage from a different era). This has lead me to think that regardless of timeline, it seems likely that knowledge of the events of all three timelines exist. (This also makes sense given the fact that no one knows which legends are true stories and which aren't, because there are so many and some of them don't add up.) While having knowledge of the adult timeline OoT events in the child timeline makes sense because Link and Zelda would be talking about it, it doesn't make as much sense anywhere else, so honestly, my only explanation is the copout of either Zelda had a dream or a Sheikah somewhere saw other timelines with their clairvoyance, lol. That being said, I have my own personal theories on which timeline BotW seems to fit into best, but I do love the concept of making it a possibility in any timeline, especially as a way to reunify the timeline :) It's a really cool concept that leaves options open to the players, which I think adds to the fun of it, because interactivity is the name of the game, and giving fans room to put their own spins on the lore is a really cool way of encouraging interactivity from beyond the game itself :) Anyways, I rambled, haha! I just had a lot of thoughts ;P Anyways, I love this video and I hope you've been having a great day :D

I'm going to have to correct you on this. It is impossible for BOTW to exist in the adult timeline. Spoiler Alert, Windwaker leads to the destruction of Hyrule forever at it's ending, Phantom Hourglass occurs during the exploration for a new Hyrule, and spirit tracks occurs in the new Hyrule (which isn't the true Hyrule) and has completely different geography.

The flashback when getting the master sword shows zelda putting it there 100 years ago.

Given how much traveling between worlds there is it's possible that we could never figure out which timeline was in because some people have simply fallen between the worlds and all their stories got mixed up.

Maybe the large number of TP references is due to the fact that the sequel focuses on TP Ganondorf’s zombified corpse and they knew all along.

The Sheikah never stopped thriving. They are the shadow tribe. They WANT you to think they’re an extinct tribe so they can work in the shadows undetected. How else can there be “the last” sheikah in every game and yet games that follow go on to have their own “last.” Plus, if you look hard enough in each of these games, you start to see more of the shadow folk blending in to the population. So, not extinct just hidden in the shadows like the shadow tribe they are.

I think all the timelines somehow merge and *BOOM!* Breath of the Wild

definition of convergence: "he act of converging and especially moving toward union or uniformity" There's no diffrence between "3 different timelines that end in the same way" and "a converged timeline". A converged timeline just means that no matter which path you follow, you eventually end up in the same place.

4:30 lol that mirror was destroyed beyond repair

What if it's a 4th time line. The sheikhs do something cause correct me if iam wrong the way oot ends is with him warning Zelda

As much as Zelda lore and history fan in me wants the timeline to actually be a thing, even I have to admit that all it is, is something they threw out there to satisfy the whiners... I know how Aonuma thinks and creates, and all he wants is to create games with full freedom without having to worry about a perfect overarching story. Man I'd love if the timeline were a real thing though, and that they had everything in mind from day 1...

Beriorn is right. What if there was a game that takes place before Botw. It could be a game showing Ganondorf colliding all three timelines into one. Then, Link and Zelda use the triforce to stop Ganon and turn him into malice. That is where Botw comes in. And after Botw, we could have another game using time travel to send Link back to the start creating “The remake timeline” where it is all the other major games but with a twist of continuing of one another until Link finally kills Ganon once and for all. But when he returns home, he realises it was a mistake and there is a new threat. I mean it’s just an idea...

Although it's true that Koroks were only seen in Wind Waker doesn't mean they are exclusive to that timeline. Remember, the Kokiri were humanoid Koroks that changed their form in OoT to make the Hero of Time feel more welcomed in their society. This was also evident in Wind Waker where Makar (Korok) is the spiritual successor to Fado (Kokiri). The part that should've been addressed was Rito and Zora living as separate species. We were told that Zora evolved into Rito back in Wind Waker. This one has me stumped.

or what if BoTW is the start of a 4th timeline "The Merge Timeline" or something like that?

Maybe it's blasphemy, but what if there are no timelines and Nintendo just makes games they think will sell?

Salt: Exists Theorists: I'm about to do what's called a pro gamer move

Honestly I despise how it’s treated like there is only one game in the adult timeline, Wind Waker. Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks do exist in the timeline and throw a wrench in it taking place in it and justifying its placement Ron’s what made that timeline’s games so interesting

William we want live streams

Nope, the Adult one is impossible since New Hyrule is a thing. This is CT vs DT, and CT is more likely to be it. You said it yourself, there is a lot of Twilight Princess in BOTW, Aonuma also said it before it came out. "How I see !" The Twilight thing in the traduction of the speech is irrevelant, both words can actually be used. I'm still Child Timeline and I think Nintendo may be too.

The best thing I can say is if you think about the relationship between the zora people and the Hylian people they had to make back up 10,000 years before the events of breath of the wild during the story they tell in the game, child timeline they were allies (something could have happened before 4 sword adventure but unsure) but the zora turned on hylian's almost immediately in the downfall timeline, there was a moment where they tried to recover the relationship (LBW) but a rebellion was to strong and the zora ended up being a full enemy to the hylian's by LOZ and AOL, it could have started by the hylian's showing weakness for losing to ganon during the ocarina fight and it took a few unmentioned ganon attacks to realize what they are up against and then made the pact leading up to breath of the wild putting it in the adult defeated timeline. That's my 2 cents, I was for the child timeline but that ruto into a sage comment kinda places itself in the defeated timeline.

7:02 NBC: "Man, Twilight Princess is referenced a lot in this game" Literally anyone who can take a second to think: "Geeeee.... I wonder why"

You're Pretty funny once in a while, Maybe you shoul do some zelda humor videos :)

(Watches video) (After watching video) Im confusing

May I also mention in the memory "Subdued Ceremony", when Zelda says "Whether skyward bound, adrift in time, or steeped in the glowing embers of twilight...", Nintendo referred this to Skyward Sword, Ocarina of Time, and Twilight Princess :p

You probably already know this by now, but Lizafos appears in Zelda 2.

I think we’ll just have to wait for botw 2

The beginning is very funny

10:14 Yes, indeed. It is called Lothric, where the transitory lands of the Lords of Ci- nvm wrong game

With the release of botw 2 trailer, I think the argument that gannon is in his beast form is invalid. In the trailer it shows a being being held by a hand. I think this being is ganondorf and malice is using gannon's power and hatred to grow. It also makes sense as all bosses that are "gannon" are made of malice and not gannon himself.

BUT THE STRAP IS GREEN NOT YELLOW! Or am I just blind???

13:20 I can do you one better. The Triforce *COULDN'T* have destroyed itself after the king used it because that would _destroy Hyrule._ See A Link Between Worlds.

This maybe a bit late, but did anyone else notice that the three games referenced in Zelda's speech in the first memory (skyward sword, ocarina of time, and twilight princess) also happen to be the same three games that three pieces of Gannon were sealed away in in Hyrule Warriors?

Your point about the yellow strap was the same point that I used to argue against MatPat's theory to my friends

in zelda 🅱️reath of the wild

The video should be called "Why the TIMELINE Placement Makes NO SENSE". I will show you how on each point you make. 1. That item makes no sense since their is no story context to go along with that salt rock. As in do people other than the tablet mention this at all? The answer is no. 2. The lynels reason for existing has a story behind it unlike the other enemies. The lynels came into being due to the fact that Ganondorf after becoming Ganon the King of Evil(by getting all 3 Triforce pieces) created them with his enhanced Magic. Which is why they ONLY appear in the Downfall Timeline. 3. Chuchu's appear in the Minish Cap(unified timeline before OoT) and the Lizalfos appeared when during young Link's time of OoT(not child timeline since Zelda reverse time to before they even met) so yeah Lizalfos existed prior to the events of OoT so yeah they also can exist. Bokoblins existed in Skyward Sword as well(unified timeline). All stated within the official Zelda Encyclopedia with in game photos of the enemies themselves. 4. Location names are considered easter eggs that only Zelda fans would know which is why we don't use them in Timeline placement discussions. 5. Arbiters ground was created prior to Ocarina of Time because that was the time the Triforce was still full and the people the Twilee descended from tried to steal it. Remember the Triforce was split(Adult and Child) or in the hands of Ganon(Downfall Timeline) at the end of Ocarina of Time's multiple ending so that is another notion debunked(if it existed before Ocarina of Time it exists in all 3 splits). 6. The fact that you mention that certain areas appeared in the UNIFIED TIMELINE should tell you that those places existed in all 3 timeline splits. You are not helping your case dude. 7. Again naming of bridges and location are consider Easter Eggs. Stick to the story elements dude. 8. Good to see you remember. Also the fact that the Mirror of Twilight was completed destroyed by Midna herself at the end of TP. 9. The fact that the Temple of Time still stands in Breath of the Wild also negate it the game being part of the Adult and Child Timelines(the adult because a new Hyrule Castle was built over it in Wind Waker and in TP the temple was In complete ruins). 10. Impa existed all the way til the end of the Downfall Timeline and with her that means the Sheikah as well. Sad can't be said about the Child Timeline(since only Impaz remained and we never see the Sheikah in other games of that branch). 11. The castle is also considered to be mere design by the devs and not story related(you can't find any info on how the castle was built in game, trust me I searched). 12. Other than Daruk the other statues can be considered Easter Egg since they don't make a mention of them other then calling them "Heroes". So yeah not part of the story element(only Daruk). 13. Landmark designs and placement is always up to the devs themselves to keep things fresh. Which is why you should not use this as confirmation at all. Again try focusing on the story elements at this point you're almost halfway into the video. 14. The Deku Tree also appears in the Downfall Timeline as the DT events of OoT are similar to AT until the final battle with Ganondorf and Link either won(AT) or lost(DT). Kokiri's are spirits of the Woods hence they can alter their forms over time(which ironically enough is explained in the Wind Waker, dude go play that game again sheesh). 15. The design of Koroks where a design choice and not something the STORY NARRATIVE explains to you. Basically there is no reason why in BoTW the Koroks look the way they do. Koroks can exist in all timelines since Kokiri's can change their forms overtime as it was explained in the Wind Waker(heck with Ganon coming into being at the bad ending of OoT the Kokiri would have reasons to change their forms). 16. The head is made by Technology of the Yiga clan and they like the Sheikah knows that Ganon used to be a Gerudo(just like Urbosa herself also knows this fact which brings shame to her as we see). Dark Beast Ganon's naming is just the devs call back for the fans that remember the game that came out before(TP HD). The people there(Zelda) doesn't refer to him as such. Only refer to him and Ganon. 17. Just because it stated "It is said" is usually means these events "happened from a certain point of view". The tablet doesn't state it was the Hero who helped awaken Ruto as a Sage nor mentions if she was victorious against the Evil Man(Ganondorf). That is why you can't place BotW in the child timeline because Ruto never awoke as a Sage and the Ancient Sages from before OoT still existed from before the events of OoT to the TP. 18. Revali called the whole "Ceremony" a whole lot of NONESENSE. The story element of that scene isn't what Zelda says but what URBOSA states. 19. You also forget that one other outfit exist that you can get without the use of an Amiibo. It's called the Dark Tunic(which makes you look like Dark Link from OoT). So far you making no sense. No one in their right minds would believe that after HYRULE was FULLY DESTROYED in the Wind Waker(as that was the King's wish) that BotW could take place in that Hyrule. 20. In Zelda 2, Hyrule was already beginning to see an era of prosperity with technological/magical advances that created moving inanimate objects(anyone who actually PLAYED the game would know this as well). 21.It just means that the details of the events that played out were forgotten. Hence why when people here Link's name in each game they do not think much of it. 22. In the downfall Timeline there had been multiple attacks from Ganon. Wind Waker's threat was Ganondorf not Ganon. Same with Twilight Princess. I don't bring up Four Swords Adventures since that event can happen in the Downfall timeline as well because the Four Sword itself existed prior to OoT. 23. Fade into legend is that exact details are not known to all. But WE as fans know the events since WE PLAYED THE GAMES PRIOR TO THIS. This is what people don't seem to get. 24. Which is why you must use story elements that connect this game with one of the last games of each timeline. The only one story wise that connects the past and present is Zelda 2. 1. The full Triforce is in Zelda's hands. Only in Zelda 2 the full Triforce was in the hands of the Royal Family. 2. Zelda's naming was due to a tradition that once again only was stated in Zelda 2. 3. The multiple attacks of Ganon in the Downfall timeline was always a Royal Family vs King of Evil, you can play any of the games with it and you will see it be true. The problem with trying to "fix" it is that they made more of a mess of the timeline then anything possible. Which is why I proved with this post that the Downfall Timeline is the most logical and sound location of BotW if we go by the story elements ALONE(which is what ALL timeline theorists should concentrate on). This has been the debunking of the video "Breath of the Wild: Why the TIMELINE Placement Makes SENSE (Part 1)". I will be here next time to debunk Part 2. See you all next time.

I remember reading somewhere that Twilight Princess was used as a base for some of Breath of the Wild's world design, so I'm not surprised a lot of things compare rather close between the two.

Every time i watch one of your videos the outro music sticks in my head for the rest of the day.

You want to know the truth? None of these games were meant to be in a timeline.

But... but... Link was defeated in this game (leading to the events in the game) sooooo problem solved😂😂😂😂 jk

I believe that both falls under a fused timeline very similar to the inevitable timeline. Hylia didn’t have enough resolve to juggle three timelines so she used events during hylian history to fuse the timelines.

Wait a second.... Those Gorons next to Daruk in goron city are reverences to the important Gorons in the other games?? I truely never noticed! And that's one of the greatest things of this game. Even tho I have this game for nearly two years now (and played trough it 100 times), I'm still discovering new things!

I don't like the timeline stuff. I prefer to to think that theres just one link and each game is just a different adventure in its own. The timeline crap doesn't even make sense. Still good video.

I really love your vids. Keep up the good work

Ok this got me thinking about a lot of things… 1: Placement in the Child timeline makes the Most sense, especially if we consider FSA to actually take place in a different spot. 2: What if everything is wrong? I recall someone at Nintendo stating that BotW takes place “sometime after OoT”. Obviously that can mean anywhere. But what if this means that it changes up the placement of the split, ever so slightly? I’m talking this: After OoT, the split happens into Child and Adult. Then after Twilight Princess, a timeline split occurs with the events prior to BotW! What I mean, is that the Downfall Timeline, where Ganon WINS, isn’t what we originally thought. Instead, it’s about the outcome of the events prior to BotW. And in the timeline where Link DOESN’T fall to the Calamity, we have Hyrule Warriors Age of Calamity. But where he Does fall, we have BotW, and then likely Tears of the Kingdom and then the rest of the Downfall timeline. This all depends on how exactly Tears of the Kingdom even handles stuff. And it’s more likely that BotW does still take place at the end of any one timeline anyway. I just thought it was an interesting possibility where the Downfall timeline actually occurs Because of the events prior to BotW.

about the adult timeline, i read in the zelda encyclopedia that wishes made by the triforce last until the one who makes the wish dies (probably depending on the nature of the wish itself) not really sure how it would work since the king in wind waker was already sort of a ghost, but in theory hyrule could have returned after a certain period of time.

When I first watched this I thought it was a load of crap, but after watching your video on the Leviathans and their secret message I realized that it all makes sense. The game was created to fit into all 3 time lines because you can do most of the things in the game in any order you choose. In one time line Link could take his time getting his memories back then go to the divine beasts and then go fight Ganon. In another time line Link could go straight for the divine beasts and gear up then go fight Ganon. In the final time line Link could pull a Leroy Jenkins and run straight for Ganon without even bothering with the divine beasts.

I believe the fact that Ganondorf's body shows up on the trailer for the sequel, with a stab mark in his chest, makes it hard to not be the child timeline. The visual identity is very strong too. All the games from the 3 timelines are similar graphically speaking. Breath of the wild is crearly similar to Twilight Princess design

Damn that credit song! It put the biggest smile on my face and made my day. :)

I've always been a firm believer in the 'Literal Legend' theory for the entire series, and that's only evolved thanks to Breath of the Wild. Everything from Skyward Sword to Ocarina of Time happened at least relatively similar to what we played (maybe a bit of exaggeration here and there, but mostly true), but what happened after that is completely unknown. For all we know, NONE of the games could have actually happened the way they were portrayed, and we could just have been playing embellished stories passed down in the Hyrule of BotW. Stories that parents tell their kids before bed, or to inspire people to go out and do good. And honestly, I find that quite fun.

I like to think that at the end of every branch of the timeline, Ganon gains too much power eventually losing himself to it becoming the mindless beast calamity ganon

I know this is the wrong video to commented on but it just came to me that last video that you had where you broke down the new timeline that mention four Swords I have realized that there actually is a secondary split somewhere and I can explain where a new split comes in which could explain certain events that we don't really fully know or grasp like some of these wars that were apparently done in between these other particular games I fully believe that that other timeline that was spoken about in part one is correct however I do know where a split comes in and after every video I have looked at on the internet I have never found anybody that has talked about it yet I may be the first

Just taking a quick moment to say that what you proved always was my headcanon. Now, when designing Paths of Chaos, I'll need to make a list of fanon timelines the game has to work with as well... (I'm not including all Zelda fan games. I'll choose my timelines with care.)

It's probably just a placeholder until they do more Zelda games and then retcon Botw into a particular timeline