Bump this comment people

There you go. Bump! Bump! Bump!

@@God4445 Doing my part. Bump

Yes, I would like to know as well. I know Jax labs said they couldn't answer their questions about breeding protocols because no one there was working there in 1997-ish and they didn't have any records. Or some bullshit like that.

Keep liking this comment bois, someone has to know

I know the Weinsteins are likely too smart for this, but man I wish men/people like THIS would run for political office or at least be on some damn committees! Such talent!

Yes absolutely!

i second this. watching regular discussions between these two would give insight into fascinating ideas AND an example of how to dialogue with others. ( family included)

I would not only subscribe, I would click the notification bell too!

Agreed!

His brother was impeccable as a student and studied with some of the leading biologists in the field and Bret Weinstein isn’t been recognised for this which angers his brother Eric Weinstein because Eric views Brett as a man who is on the same level as any of the leading biologists out there but people don’t look at Brett like that because he choose to teach at an unknown university rather than a top Ivy League institution like Harvard or Princeton which would automatically guarantee his fame, prestige and the fact that he would be taken seriously by everyone including the leading biologists out there. Bret Weinstein is just looked upon as an ordinary teacher or professor when he’s a high level mind whose potential is been wasted on a low level institution that holds back his talent rather than enhance it

I totally agree! I'm sending this to my 2 brothers who haven't spoken in years and showing them that love can be communicated differently between them but it's still love.

BTW.... another interesting layer to their discussion is the blatant snobbery that exists in academia. Just because Bret wasn't working at an Ivy League institution automatically diminishes his theories?! That sickens me, because shouldn't academics be the very people who welcome thought from OUTSIDERS!?

I once thought my brother was either Moloch or God, that was a crazy day.

"You moron, no offense." 🤣

Quite a complex being.

Spot on. Immense mind and heart to match.

Nailed it- they are both BRILLIANT

The way Eric typically does online talks, looking down at the camera is probably a big reason for your initial dislike. I find both of these men very interesting

@@abahgus he’s not at all complex. He’s honest and decent and we get frightened by sheer integrity and we think it complex. We are not used to pure decency.

My theory as a psychotherapist is that highly empathic folks tend to get infected by those without empathy; the Bretts wind up losing their authority to tyrants they are wired to understand rather than subdue.

time stamp?

Maybe ... the release from Evergreen has allowed this public conversation? I personally think a great researcher like Bret should be at a medical facility, like Mayo Clinic, so he could advance human care.

@@benisrood maybe the empathetic are also targeting the sociopaths.

@@notmyrealpseudonym6702 I can confirm this is true.

You can just see him pulling it out of him the whole first half. Hacking at the walls of humility.

@Sudhir Kakar Did you not watch the entire video? I thought it was made painfully clear...

For similar reasons, the best possible public servants are seldom nominated, much less elected.

according to Bret and Eric, Bret is an unrecognized genius I like both of them, and I don't have any reason to doubt them, but given Eric's propensity to spin things, I don't have a great reason to believe Bret's work is all it's trumped up to be either I mean, I'd love to read Bret's book and go, "damn this guy _is_ a genius", but in the meantime let's not fanboy over everyone who talks nice on the internet

Chris C please have a little faith in people and lay off the 'fanboy' name calling. Bret did not call himself a genius. If you have no more evidence against him, let's get back to presuming innocence until proven guilty. Even the creator of the first IQ test did not claim it determined who is genius. When asked what it measured, he said only how well they could do on his test. Urging caution or skepticism in a less critical tone would give us less reason to doubt your intelligence.

Ikr? Isn't it 'wonderful?'

Free public relations

@@cmhockey6586 well..... he did lose his job so it wasn't exactly just a gift

Truth

Same here. Bret and Eric are great minds, it’s just so unfortunate are that the demons behind the Evergreen incident are only getting worse . Seems like very few listened to Bret

Well said.

General-GeeZuSe did you listen to the conversation? She denied him credit in her paper by saying “I’ve been through my emails...”

Grieder should be ashamed of herself, but i bet she doesnt lose any sleep over it at all. Id say she deserves to be exposed, but before whom? Sounds like theyre all in on it...

General-GeeZuSe i mean it’s the climax of the whole damn story

Carol wanted to acknowledged Bret but she knew he'd understand the importance women representation. Truth be damned when serving the greater good of "diversity".

@@Mistersamweller "THE GREA'ER GOOD"

Logos of Logic with Tyler Goldstein it’s so true!!! I do this with my little brother!!! He is too freakin nice. Sometimes I just want to ko him for being tossed around!

“You’re boring me bro...” This was amazing!!

I started to regret, that I don't have a brother...

Also anyone who loves brave & amazing people standing up for what is right

i have a brother and i didnt

Especially social science are aff/infected by the negative impact of peer review. It functions as a censor/filter with the intent to shape a world according to the zeitgeist of these institutions. At least this is what it felt to me, when studying social sciences.

Any measure of quality control can be used to enforce some person or group's self-interested. However, quality control is an important thing. The solution is two-fold: 1) quality control needs to be extremely transparent and 2) a large enough community must exist to self-police such a critical mass is met to thwart conspiracies (because conspiracies involving large numbers of people are doomed to fail)

Indeed, I've never in my life had my eyes opened so wide about such an important topic. There is nothing in the title and description of this podcast episode that even remotely hints at what a shockingly earth-shattering story is going to be told.

Peer review is central to the scientific process for very good reason, regardless of the persecution complex of the Weinsteins. It really is about quality control, and as a scientist I welcome peer review on my own papers just as much as I appreciate the effect it has on the quality of the other work I study and rely on. All of my papers have been improved thanks to thoughtful comments from peer reviewers, and as a reviewer I've been able to help make at least minor improvements to even the best papers I've reviewed. There are occasional reviewers who inject too much of their own ego or prejudices into their reviews or who are simply knuckleheads, but they can be politely dismissed by appealing to competent editors. What the Weinsteins don't tell you is how many of the papers that arrive at journals are profoundly bad, being the products of overworked grad students poorly trained by overworked professors, and demonstrating all kinds of sloppiness (such as lousy grammar, inconsistent terminology, incoherent ordering of ideas) and serious mistakes (such as misapplication or misinterpretation of statistical tests, various other math errors, conclusions not remotely substantiated by the data). Peer review filters out most of this bad work or forces the authors to fix it. The process as a whole is enormously beneficial to science. Without it, nobody would be able to get anything done because we'd have to spend all our time scrutinizing every paper we cite (and every paper they cite, and so on) for the kinds of dumb mistakes that fortunately get caught in peer review most of the time. The nearly non-existent role of peer review in the suppression of disruptive ideas is vastly exaggerated by would-be disruptors with delusions of grandeur, who can't convince informed colleagues that their ideas are valuable and instead run to the general public to complain about it. The truth is that we have so many journals eager for content that any scientist with a good idea, expressed well, can get it published in some legitimate journal or another. The only people being suppressed are those whose life circumstances make it too challenging to produce work of publishable quality in the first place (too little time, access to education, etc).

@@JasonTroutnut Perhaps it is specific issue of "abuse of peer review" that deserves scrutiny.

Exactly

ha ha! my exaaaaact thought!

I went from grumbling about how he didn't know what he was talking about to cheering everything he said.

Yes! I thought Eric was being melodramatic. Far from it. Bret could have a Nobel Prize to his name. This isn’t just a story of a kid who could’ve succeeded but says “oh well” and chooses to teach at the eccentric college. Bret was genuinely on the path to alter the world with his research. Now he’s condescended to by Dawkins as if Bret is an amateur outsider. I had no idea what a big deal Bret was in the research world. Fascinating turn of events!

@islanti It's not that science is dead, it's that the academic institution has been corrupted and isn't working as it should, and as a result, a cascade of failures follows downstream. Science is a method, and it is immortal, thankfully. As soon as we get back to doing it, and focusing on it, we will find that it has not atrophied one bit, only our use of it. If that wasn't true, we'd be well and truly fucked.

kinda like jordan peterson has a lot of other things to say

i agree

@@AXharoth can't tell if condescending or not lol.

Yes. I have suffered similar Personality issues. Self-doubt. Not standing up for myself. Social insecurity. I think I got better but I probably still have a deficit or tendency in that area, that is less obvious to me but probably still operating.

I agree but they are both stories that need more exposure.

Christopher Hampton: You hit it on the head! The best Teachers are the masters. We don’t have that anymore. How can we call someone a teacher, when they don’t master the subject they are trying to teach another. What?! It’s a catastrophe! Today the majority of teachers, teaching in schools, would fail in a debate on the subject they get paid to teach our youth to learn. What?! What a mess! Today’s teachers are not yesteryears teacher! These people are not ‘teachers’, it’s an insult to the profession! On the other hand, a scholar, a polymath, now those would do the world good by teaching our youth, and they would earn the Higher wages they deserve! Today’s ‘teachers’, aren’t teachers. What a catastrophe this is!

@@snafuagain5268 teachers need to earn more money and there needs to be some incentive to get the old, knowledgable people to retire earlier from their jobs, at which point those retirees would go teach for 5-10 years or whatever. we're losing a lot of knowledge with this shitty system. as it is now you have adult daycare workers reading shit out of a book

Christopher number 11 1 410568000

Seriously.

I just made a comment that’s almost the exact same sentiment as yours. I was able to follow very easily, even with my limited scientific knowledge. And I was engaged the whole way through. This was way more exciting than I expected from the introductory monologue.

What's interesting is you can only say these things to a dear friend and or as in this case a brother.

I love Eric because he doesn't give a fuck. He knows he's at a place in his life where he can spout off about anyone and anything because he's secure in all aspects of life. His brother loves him, he's financially secure, and he has what he needs.

Then at 52:00 he lets his podcast becomes his brother's podcast.

It is a brotherly therapy session pimped out for KZfaq ad revenue. 😛

If they were truly high I.Q then they wouldn't need words to conversate

"You're boring! Let's talk about how you were cheated out of a nobel prize."

Hahaha ! Awesome

This is how gigantic egos speak to each other.

Sherlock and Mycroft

Sherlock and Mycroft

lol, this whole fucking podcast. I woulda been irritated if I didn't know them both and respect them both first. Was kinda funny though because of it.

Nick MaGrick the way I see it, Eric was thinking “okay, this ridiculous and SOMEONE is going to be aggressive about it. If it’s not Bret then it’s me.” It’s like Eric is giving Bret a way to tell this story without coming off as vengeful

@@BFrydell yeah, its all out of concern for his brother. People can both be genuine and come off as a bit of an ass. Hes showing the frustrations that Bret is keeping in check.

I came here after listening to Joe Rogan with Eric.

Sammmme

Add me to this list. Not only do I find the mice topic fascinating, I'm pretty on-board with his #unity2020 plan to bring the put an end to the 2 part system. Go check it out

Unreal that this shit has been buried. Glad I found it.

animal0mother same, I just rewatched Eric’s first appearance on JRE and decided it was finally time to enter The Portal

best podcast I've ever seen.

Same!

Here here.

His own podcast is quite interesting to listen too

I think it took a loving brother to push Bret so far and so hard. So much so, that Bret had to ask whether this was still the podcast or not! Absolutely fascinating discussion

A Nobel prize pahahahahahahaha

This should be a book!! What an exciting and interesting story!

Joe is the intellectual dark web gateway drug

Same, I wasn't paying attention to this podcast but I will from now on.

12:03 you... *_YoU kNoW tHe tHiNg_*

@@mdeamicis you could've written a 10,000 word essay and not made the point any more clearly.

Congrats on being amongst the last in before he sold out and inevitably normalizes.

Played, Swaggins.

That's a lame over-simplification of what was discussed in this podcast. Brothers or not, the story deserved to come out.

@@Byenia na it was a great comment made in jest, your comment is lame.

The media also tapped out because although I love him eric Weinstein rejects offers to go on fox news because hes scared that the bolsheviks will call him "fox news contributor". You should ignore the labels, and talk to anyone that is open to discussion. You and your brother kick ass.

@@jimduggan8382 Got em

That's a great idea

This is the way.

Same with geologists

😂 Yes, this is true on both accounts!

Deplorable Covfefe they don’t actually do that... right?

Lol :D

I was wondering what the deal was with that

Existential confrontation, right there. Hard to argue with your older brother, who knows you and what you're capable of.

cam fox it’s a bit grandiose. Still kinda true though.

Lol! Read the comment the same exact moment he said that! What a coincidence. 30:05

As the oldest of 3 brothers it struck a chord with me. I like to believe we all have a part in the meat play

Eric "The Rock" Weinstein

You can tell by the footwear what's going on

Well his Brother was a bit naive.I thought he got his paper eventually published would be good if there was a link to it and a transcription of the Nobel laureates speech. So we can judge for ourselves.

I am, too. We probably all should be.

Yeah, just check out what happens with Eric's back pillow at around the time when he's trying to talk Bret into being angry about the whole situation.

@@heavyequipment1930 The running shoe/ hiking boot mashup! And the ankle skin. Classic academia.

...while Eric is going out kicking and screaming - but the problem is that it doesn't seem to matter either way. Unfortunately for Eric, we have yet to see evidence that his path is correcting this. There's certainly still time though - especially as podcasts continue to swallow up the disgusting cancers that are corporate factual and op-ed journalism

Holy umber 11 1 410568000

This is fishy though. Brett has a way of putting himself in the middle of controversy. First their was something when he was an undergrad involving a black stripper at a fraternity. Then their was this story with telomeres, where I'd like to think that some of the people who worked with him would stand up. Then there is the Evergreen situation. That's 3 strikes. These guys are kookie and have a persecution complex.

​@@taylorc2542 "Then their was this story with telomeres, where I'd like to think that some of the people who worked with him would stand up." . Then, apparently, you need to listen to the story again - he L-I-T-E-R-A-L-L-Y HAD 3 of the most respected names in the *history* of his field of study go out of their way to promote his exceptional work to the appropriate entities. And, yet, that changed nothing. . "That's 3 strikes" - are we playing a baseball game suddenly? "3 strikes" couldn't possibly be relevant; it's literally a random number taken from a sport that isn't even that old. Really don't know what it's supposed to prove. I mean, are we not allowed to have more than "3" incidents in the entirety of our lives? I can only imagine what you must think of Martin Luther King, I'm sure he had a wee bit more than "3 strikes" in his life, and it, sadly, didn't even last as long as Bret's has.

@@strategySGD Naw, Eric thinks his work has magically been suppressed also, along with his wife Pia. See, it's them.

I had to look up this "Marcia, Marcia, Marcia problem"... Yep, Bret's right. Hopefully, Eric can try not to suffocate his little brother's actions. Two men can want fundamentally different things, even if they once shared common goals. After finishing, gruff, but utilitarian. Thanks to both of you! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/f6mGi8lpu-DSlZc.html

@@asterion1729 58

It's less amazing we can't all talk this way, you moron, no disrespect and I love you...

MTV | Politics | Pied Piper | Battle for hearts & minds kzfaq.info/get/bejne/l51hfNmD0p-5mas.html ?asaa

😂😂😂😂

Is this story well known by people in your area of research?

@@adam1780 Kind of. Telomeres are well known to effect cancer/ageing. Looking more broadly, about 30% of discoveries in mice do not translate into humans as there are so many differences between mice and humans (not just telomere length) 😊 Unfortunately, a lot of people don't appreciate these differences in relevant fields.

The paper if you're interested: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC113886/#__ffn_sectitle

The man should be at the top table, someone else got a Nobel prize from the result of his work

The Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine 2009 was awarded jointly to Elizabeth H. Blackburn, Carol W. Greider and Jack W. Szostak "for the discovery of how chromosomes are protected by telomeres and the enzyme telomerase." Which was their own work. The fact that Carol Greider refused to cite Bret's intellectual contribution to her subsequent paper related to mouse telomeres is as best, egregious and at worst, just sleazy as hell. I lean toward the latter, seeing how she became hostile toward him and tried to prevent his paper being published. Of course, since she's now got a Nobel, she politically has a coat of teflon against criticism. But sleazy is as sleazy does.

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fK5iisiIzMm3fZ8.html

This episode specifically or this podcast generally?

IMO this specific episode. It's stunning in terms of its content, and beautifully narrated from both sides.

Unbelievable indeed! Just the pharmaceutical implications alone blew my mind. Who would have thought the events at evergreen were such small potatoes compared to the intellectual savaging perpetrated upon bret!

The Portal is probably the greatest podcast. Only because there is no host in Eric's league intellectually. The meme of Thee Portal itself being potent and his guests being curated with an artistic genius. It is so refreshing to listen to these conversations.

@@guynxtdork This, without a doubt. Best podcast episode I ever watched

Eric's definitely playing the big brother card.

Don't shoot the messengers.Everything that they say is true ., I can say from my experience and it is your business because you are funding all of the bad science and are naturaly getting nothing back. Well you are getting the distain for the " commoners" that the tenured professors naturally have.

Eric W. is always talking over others, interrupting them, telling them they're wrong, or elling then that he doesn't understand what they're saying, but doesn't really care anyway.

Probably why Brett had the spine to stand up to that frat at UPenn and all those students at Evergreen...Eric prepped him for those moments.

@@paulfroelich1024 Pure conjecture. But who needs evidence for a claim when the IDW is your god?

Njerve1 wow

That means her intentional selfishness caused masses of strangers to endure torturous condition and death. What a shame to eternally wear on one's name.

Another one to add to the "muther fuckin' Carol" list of 2020

Bro why isn’t this on the headlines.

Good point

Yes!

@Neil Mo yeah, I'm betting Hollywood would burn him at the stake if he brought them an accurate script.

^

Yes! Oh, wait does your idea have to pass peer review to get to movie script?

@@jpkerpan yes, I believe it has to get past those locked within "ideological thought prisons" first.

John Hopkins Number 11 1 410568000

@Holy Hand Grenades If you watch Bret's recent Darkhorse videos you can see his realization that the mob cannot be sated with reason. He's had to start adopting Eric's tactic because only that type of strategy will beat the similar strategy of the post-modernists (the only answer is to say "no" and do it fiercely, there is no other option against ideologically possessed people who don't even understand their own stance).

MechShark - he's always been a good person, but good people can have blind spots. The problem is we are too close to ourselves to see everything.

Bret’s approach to changing minds is more like my own, at least at the personality and social level (because I’m nowhere near as useful or productive of a person as he is). I think Eric is saying that Bret needs to actively pursue positions of respect so that he will have the power to direct the thoughts and conversations of the field more quickly in a beneficial direction. Bret, meanwhile, at least in his mind, is playing a totally different game of trying to change the minds of the existing respect-holders as opportunities to do so arise without seeking those positions himself. Perhaps he feels or worries that seeking those positions will be seen as selfish or egoistic and will undermine public perception of his work. Or maybe he just finds that the process to get there or to perform that role too personally distasteful, uncomfortable, or stressful and is just a mismatch for the way his mind works. The real questions are, which tactic is more effective more quickly, and which is best suited to Bret’s mind, personality, and personal life goals? If Bret can in fact accomplish more from a more-respected position, and there is a way to do so that fits with Bret’s mind and life, then Eric is right, and Bret just needs to somehow get there. If any of that is not true, perhaps Bret is already on the right track or doing his best. Bret seems to feel that he is on the right track already but is having a hard time fully explaining himself to Eric - he hasn’t been keeping a tally of all his perceived accomplishments and progress toward his goals and has no way to pull all that out on-the-spot even if he feels their existence in the back of his mind. Eric is having trouble fully explaining how exactly his vision for Bret would work and why Bret would be able to accomplish more if he fulfilled that vision. Either strategy is probably better-suited to certain cases. ....Maybe we just need both types of minds working together as a team!

@@MechShark you can also see those changes in Brett's recent appearance on jre.

!!!

the part about pharmas influence in colleges and the fact that hiding new technology is a routine thing, yeah that part is.

Incredible.

Gripping yes, but unfortunately not as groundbreaking as you hope if I may explain my position on why I think it’s just sad. The part I think you’re referring to about the short and long cells that mutate that could be a reason for cancer or never dying, if I’m not mistaken has been addressed since when Carol stole his hypothesis and received the Nobel prize. The other big story covered up was the, ( not at all implicated by Eric or Brett but it’s my accusation it was likely done on purpose as to not have deviation in their mice therefore reliable test results and drugs passed and a lot of money made) fact their mice couldn’t be scientifically sound if they were all the same and coming from the same place. Carol probably was an unwitting participant in these shenanigans until she realizes how that story alone could ruin her and her newest discovery she planned to steal from Brett. The problem about the mice was fixed I thought he said because sweeping it under the rug was easier than the whole can of worms it dug up exposing it. That being said, once the hypothesis is out there it’s out there and now the world knows and hopefully they’re doing w it what must be done...... Unless, it was done intentionally to begin with. In the Bible why did people live so many hundred years and now we don’t? Is it because there’s more money to be made in death w Big Pharma? Likely...... but can we do anything about it? No. It’s soo much bigger than we are and happens on so many more levels than you can imagine and your head w almost explode after you start to really understand this more. It’s still hard to wrap my head around because it’s a devastating fact to swallow and as such must be taken in small bites imo. I hope and pray I’m wrong and this like you say turns out to be the most important podcast in the world, but maybe I’m too jaded to have that optimism anymore because I truly think this is as far as it goes. Without the media behind you fully nothing reaches the masses and I don’t believe the same reluctant media w change their position and now back him and go against Carol, not in a 100 yrs.

@@user-qp3pu5yv1e not only are you extremely apathetic, but understanding whats going on doesn't make the conversation they are having here any less important. Its still easily one of the most important podcasts in the world and I don't think thats an overstatement. Thinking nothing can be done about it is just ... I feel like coming from you since you clearly understand most of whats going on, is just plain lazy. Or a serious lack of imagination. As an individual its hard to do anything about it, collectively as a group though we have so much power, and our individual actions do make significant impact. They depend on a good image and that people keep buying their stuff, big pharma or any corporation's really, biggest vulnerability in terms of its stability are the people it relies on. Besides things only got this bad in the first place from individuals taking action to do something they shouldn't have as individuals. From lobbyists, to hiding information, to making poor moral choices for career or profit. To say nothing can be done about it is asinine. As an example, ive put ideas out into the world, just talking about what seemed like nonsense to random people. 10-20 years later I see my same ideas propagating but being championed by different people. I had ideas about how cancer was curable, 3d printers like from star trek were possible, and that the world would be understood to be made up of geometry and nothing else. Some of my ideas didn't start completely with me but I think some did. I just keep talking about the stuff and the idea sits in peoples subconscious and gets passed around, much in the same way that advertisements use memes and manipulate people into passing around their mantras and narratives. Worst comes to worst we can always start a revolution, but hopefully things don't become that dire. But something can always be done and we always have a choice, even if its never clear what we should be doing.

Think you missed the point that he knows Brett is brilliant and has done something amazing but the big u iversities won't let him in the club because he's too quiet and on the back foot....

@Brad die Irriterend III It's not malicious patronizing, it is actually pretty light hearted. They do know each other....very well.

@Brad die Irriterend III did you finish it? What do you think?

@Brad die Irriterend III It's love on a complicated level, finish it.. best podcast I ever watched.

holy shit i love how they respect each other when coming to an impass

I honestly wished Eric would have put Bret in a headlock and told him just to spit it out, would have taken a hell of lot less time to get him to talk.

BodyDoc Where did you find it?

Fascinating, I'll go check it out. I've come to really dislike Dawkins in recent years

@@jacobbailey5498 Dawkins work advanced Darwins insight, so for this I will always revere him. But his current dismissal of others, outside the academic ivory tower, has begun to crack the facade a little for me. Thanks for commenting Jacob. He is also militantly atheist and for this bravery I also laud him.

Where can I find an unedited version of that?

@@TheJeremyKentBGross kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nr-qiJB11Ku6Zp8.html

This reads like JD Salinger or John Steinbeck.

Eric, you made this much harder to understand because you keep interrupting your brother m8. Im not a biologist, but I can understand it if I can hear the whole story. Let Bret finish his points man, everytime I get the grasp of what he is trying to say you stop the though process by interrupting. I like your podcast, dont worry im not hating or anything! Cheers

Also, the straight straight to the point part is at 1:00:22

Thank you!!

I have a feeling that an angry Bret will be inspiring.

Internet Gorilla that’s what Eric wants us to see.

yeah, and I can imagine its not pleasant. He seems like the type to stay cool but when he goes off, he really goes off. Just guessing.

came from joe's...

Fucked up but true. Bret needs to get back on the podcast

he came into joes pod cast in a panic and fucked a major chance at exposing the truth :P

No

@@ethanwasme4307 Wrong go watch it again!

Oh no, you mean those predictions that people will be able to live 1000 years and that these people have already been born, are wrong?!? I can't believe it.

Fundamentally this.

sounds a lot like the jokers, "You either die a hero or live long enough to become a villain".

@@isaiakrozell2409 That's exactly the point.

@@isaiakrozell2409 It wasn't the joker who sayed that ,Harvey did

😂😊

Nailed it!

they are not geniuses, just normal people. it's the context that makes them look like geniuses. try do the same thing you do and you will be there. if you have the money at least.

Aron Gabor So try it yourself, & see how smart you look. It doesn’t take much money to start a humble podcast. No one’s saying that they’re “Geniuses”, but I damn well bet that they’re smarter, & think more ‘outside of the box,’ especially scientifically, than your average person; including you.

for me and my younger sister, this is the reverse. But otherwise the same.

Done. Thank you for (not backing off from) telling the whole research journey. Inspired and elinghtened!

Or a documentary. Great that Eric pushed this.

This would be to the medical research industry what _Silkwood_ was to the nucear industry.

I must go now, there is a village which needs my help. ::saddles up, disengages safety::

Definately. Can be as engaging as The Big Short!

yeah, and whose gunna fund that movie? And if it gets even close to production, what about the same group of people that prevented his work from becoming known in the first place? Do you think this corruptions really contained to just that college?

I just want to add as an addendum, having finished listening to the full podcast that A. I wish my own older brother had been so hard on me so as to elevate my better nature, but more importantly that B. as a member of Generation X, I regard this as a call to action against the self serving gatekeepers holding back a groundswell of potential in human advancement (looking at you, Mr. Dawkins). These two men are as brilliant as they are compassionate, & I so admire their affection for one another. God speed!

@@MarvelousOldWorld Dawkins is not holding back human advancement Bret probably got a lot of his education from Dawkins work.

Eric was annoying at times but I see what he was being so hardheaded and I think his interjections were necessary for people like me who have no formal education on this shit to be able to grasp some of the more “wordy” concepts they were conveying.

ahah : )

from a big brother, sorry bout that.

How so did you stop taking your medications? I'm curious because that particular conversation where Bret explained that whole telomeres thing really messed me up. Ive contemplated stopping more questionable medications. Newer medications with less data surrounding their various positive and negative effects.

MTV | Politics | Pied Piper | Battle for hearts & minds kzfaq.info/get/bejne/l51hfNmD0p-5mas.html ?asaa

What condition do you have that has you on a drug?

What? Because he CO wrote a freaking research paper?!? Damn liar.

I bet he doesnt know anything about metalwork or how to swing a hammer.

@@tylermurch7891 oh i bet he does. tbh.

@@tylermurch7891 and yet I bet he'd learn faster than you.

@@tylermurch7891 Dude he looks like a blacksmith

It's called a polymath lol not general intelligence. That's just high IQ which everyone in these independent fields has

Like a little boy who was in line to visit the Pope, and then hears what goes in in his chambers?

Burni O why is that?

Burni, please elaborate

@@ryanstick2194 Getting your life's work practically stolen isn't fun.

Probably because this entire podcast elucidates that the higher ed and peer review system is gate-kept specifically to stop knowledge production.

Unfortunately that trust implies an absent benevolence.

In alignment with the topic discussed, organisations have replication mechanisms (e.g. hiring / firing policies that ensure staff are hired somewhat in the likeness of their hirers) but they have no equivalent of a short telomere so they go on to replicate over generations without stopping. Over time they are likely to develop ‘cancerous’ behaviours that perpetuate the organisation but fall short of its original purpose. I’m interested in what would happen if public organisations were automatically disbanded after (say) 20 years (roughly a generation), the management let go and a brand new organisation is formed - not unlike a forest fire. There would be some initial inefficiencies for sure but in the long term would breathe new life into the institution

How many Bretts were missing an Eric in their corner?

I need to have 2 kids.

How about the last 5000 years? Lol.

More then would ever be admitted.

Look up craniofacial dystrophy / orthotropics. Bret even has an interview with one of the leaders in this movement Dr Mike Mew.

And a moron ))

I looked more into this story and there were discussions on reddit about it from a month ago, so I was confused but your comment clears that up.

Sweden has been on this path for a long time. Statist attitudes inevitably lead to conformity in thought and behavior--to defer all important decisions to the state is by definition to surrender individual decision-making.

So how long are you willing to tolerate this? Because they will tighten the noose more and more - resulting in less and less freedom of expression in any way. Nobody will come in from the outside to "liberate" you - you either resist or you will be crushed. (From a Citizen of an ex socialist country in Europe).

If Alex Jones hear's this, he will start a rant, that's never stops! "All our mouse are broken "

With a least interesting interesting bosom

I would say Eric & Jordan have the most intellectual HP.

@Johnny Crustacean I'm not bashing you per se, Johnny... but you're a hack

@Johnny Crustacean I disagree. If i were to restate my understanding of Petersons "God" in my own words, it would be: A psychological projection of the asymptomatic target of human evolution representing the set of behaviors statistically most likely to get you to the top of the set of all possible competence hierarchies. That seems like a pretty brilliant insight to me. While there are things that I'm certainly on the new atheists side on over Jordan, there are definitely places he's up on them, even when it's poorly articulated. Furthermore on the subject of climate change, the climate has always been changing. Question is to what degree, if any, humans affect it. On that subject: I've worked somewhat adjacent to that field and whispers were that many of the researchers working on it don't believe it, but know what side theirs is buttered on. It seems as corrupt as what Brett and Eric are on about here, and maybe even as much as Bogosian Pluckrose and (3rd name escaping me atm) were revealing about gender studies. I also notice that the politicians and activists who push the climate change narrative all propose what basically amounts to communism or fascism as the solution, and I mean actual fascism not the mere insult everyone throws around nowadays. Personally it seems obvious that the appropriate levels of skepticism towards the climate narrative is in short supply. And even if it were true, I'd take death from a world wide flood over being killed in a Gulag or Concentration Camp by the people who seem almost sexually aroused by the prospect of forcing their fellow human beings to eat bugs and massively reducing the global population. I'd probably even take it over living under their boot heels as they live like commissars while suppressing news of their brutalizing the likes of the yellow vests, which come about because of their idiotic (or more likely corrupt) policy "solutions" to the "problem."

@Johnny Crustacean Perhaps not a hack "per se", but still... :-D

By a country mile

Carol W. Greider

@@wloga It is common practice, that is the whole problem. It gets supercharged by distributing grants by committee. I left the field of research because any form of actual innovation was killed by self-censoring to get grant approval. We have come full circle to what scholarship under the church was.

@Waerloga corrected

muh kuh Amen to Truth

You will have many redpill moments

Captain ramius I’ve definitely had a few since I left this comment a month ago!

Here's why, Melissa. Brett speaks as an intellectual speaking to a classroom of undergraduate students. Eric speaks as an intellectual sharing discourse with other academics. He's not dumbing down his speech for the audience. I have a Master's level education (Psychology) and I like Eric's podcasts, but I know that Brett reaches more people. Most Americans are barely Bachelor's level comprehension. Sad but true.

DIVISIONINCISION that makes sense. But even more reason for Bret to be Bret & Eric be Eric, right? YOU are gonna be an intellectual whether you listen to either of these guys podcasts. But there’s a shift happening right now & many people are now waking up and craving substance. Substance that they can understand. That’s why these 2 approaches are needed in these times. When I listen to Erik, I always learn something new....usually mind blowing. But I can’t tell anyone I know cause they’d be lost (sadly). But Bret gets me ecstatic & excited about evolutionary biology, always inspiring me to leave him & learn more about a subject.

Stealing credit is rampant in academia. It's really sad how it works.