thanks! i just recently realized the value of sort of saying the gist of the video up front so that people can hear that and close out if they dont want the details. and also so that they cant decide early on if they don't like the topic time is way too valuable i regret so many videos where i sort of kept the "thesis" of it hidden until the end. going forward, i'm aiming to stick to this structure =) appreciate the feedback!

9gagger? cause upvote is your way of giving approvement?

MAKZ JAY You are right :D didnt even thought about that

Subbed!

Drogon is currently (Season 7) about the size of a Boeing 767

It looks like a third of the size compared to the book Balerion.

Shinomen Magunusu agree didn't look big at all or even close to go on the head of s body that could shadow a city

yeah his its supposed to be big enough to drive a wagon thru the made him so small

were was it shown ?

adol bawz most recently in episode 2 or 3 in season 7 when cercei's maester fires the bolt into a skull

+fireZaption how about a war turtle?

fireZaption shiggy!

fireZaption I need Godzilla

start with a Newfie ?

EdShot Machine dragon has also limit they don't have super genes beside Godzilla breath nuclear and there is also called shin Godzilla that can use laser beam from every part of the body and one beam can distroy new york city. search in KZfaq shin Godzilla.

LOL omg that's a funny (and increedibly sharpt) interpretation of time. you're a genius! i can't believe i never thought of that. her hair must grow REALLLLLY slowly! hahah ok, im delusional. it's so late. i've got to go to bed. thank you for that. your comment made my day =)

Except that Dany is invading this season. Varys sailed to Westeros, back to Mereen and back to Westeros AGAIN since Cercei blew up the Sept. In real life, it would have to be AT LEAST a year since the walk of shame. Probably more. I doubt Cercei is cutting her hair since it was done to humiliate her and she's very vain. It's just them not paying enough attention to detail.

Pamela Evans-Schink and Bran is aging 3x faster than the average human being, maybe he is half dragon?

I think cersei her hair is way more beautifull long

Pamela Evans-Schink unless cersei does it to Remind her of not being in power

i was wondering the same thing. i was actually going to through a one-liner in there about it, but i ended up holding back so drogon is growing WAY faster than we would expect. all of the dragons ago (side note, when i was doing this research, i realized that viserys and rhaegal are way bigger than i realized). the only explanation i can think of is that magic has returned to the word in full force, and that might be impacting the dragons but i like where your head is at... if dragons grow at a constant pace (unconfirmed), then drogon would be the size of westeros or essos if he lives to 220 LOL) i think he will die in season 7 or 8, but regardless, it's be fun to figure out how big he would be at 220. ill do that offline and layer into the "QnA" video that i've bene procrastinating for weeks now. i tentatively plan on doing that next week tho i guess all we need is to determine how old drogon is now and then multiple his size by 220/drogons age... maybe ill do that right now. brb

ok i was way off lol. the wiki says he is 6 in season 7. so if his wing span is 147 feet right now (we don't know that for sure, but its gotta be around 100-160ish) and he grows at a constant rate (another unconfirmed assumption), he would be 5390 feet (little over a mile wide LOL) or 1.6 kilometers that would be sicccccck. imagine looking up lol

That would be incredible! Thanks for the great response and like everyone else here, I'm grateful for your consistent and detailed content.

Except age isn't the only factor, there is also the food problem. Unless old aged drogon has small armies to eat every day his growth will come to halt or he will starve do death.

and theres also the fact that they're only taking this project to 8 seasons and I find it unlikely that Drogon will survive to the end. We're not going to see a continent sized dragon unless the spinoffs get real ambitious. I don't think the writers will have to address it but its fun to imagine.

i'm been thinking about this.. and i think u might be right =)

Ser Barristan says so in the books.

Isn't their space in which they live very important as well?

Yeah, they need big space to grow big.

Im pretty sure this is how snakes work. I've also read that overfed snakes will grow faster but wont live as long. Perhaps it comes down to "the candle that burns twice as bright lasts half as long."

+Josh S haha take it with a whole wheel barrow full of salt for now tho. There are a ton of game of thrones wizards out there who might be able to find some errors in the assumptions of geometry. I feel like we will have a better idea on a couple days whether or not balerion was as massive as I came up with here At the very least, it's fun to imagine a dragon that gigantic tho :) Thanks again for ur kind words, Ser!

+bridge4 Hhh

reruru cady, what does "Hhh" mean??

I used to know arab people that used to wrtie ''Ahahahahahaha'' like this = ''hhhhhhhhhhhhhh'' but i don't know if is the same here :D

Match him up against Deathwing or Smaug or something

www.rollingstone.com/tv/news/george-rr-martin-admits-dragons-couldnt-beat-tolkiens-smaug-fight-20141028 This is what George R.R. Martin said about his dragons vs Smaug.....However, Tolkien's dragons were very intelligent and could easily outsmart Martin's dragons.

Annaliese Eaton I heard of that but I would still want a clear estimate imo

In my honest opinion Smaug and Balerion would be a fair match because Smaug is about the same size of Balerion (I could be wrong). Smaug was estimated at 180 years old when he died, but his body was well armored and only a black arrow could penetrate it. I'm more interested in a comparison to Balerion and Ancalagon.....Ancalagon is mountain range sized and when he was defeated he crushed the three peaks of Thangorodrim and even during the battle with Earendil and Manwe's eagles it took a whole day to beat the massive dragon.

Annaliese Eaton There is no way he was 180 years old when he died. Smaug takes the lonely mountain in TA 2770 and is killed in TA 2941. That would have made him only 9 years old when he took the lonely mountain. While yes he was young, Glaurung was stated to be "young and scarce half-grown" and that was at 100 years old. There is no way Smaug was just 180 years old at his death. I'm pretty sure GRRM stated his dragons could not defeat Smaug (could be wrong though). As far as Ancalagon goes, it isn't even close.

Ancalagon the Black would be feasting on Balerion because he had magic. He was truly evil and learned from Morgoth himself. Balerion is just an animal. A cunning one but an animal nonetheless. IMsomewhatHO.

and when he laughs, we ded.

Ancalagon is from LotR. /disgusting

Ilias A. Agreed! Ancalagon rocks!

He's from "The Silmarillion" not LoTR. same universe though, so I cant shit on you too hard.

+KaeporaRaynor if Raynors shit gold like the lannisters, please come poop over here. ThaNK u in advance!

HE Hunted all over Westeros or the ocean?

@@sadiqahmed4143 Basically 2 options. Balerion could hunt freely as none could stop him. If he loved his final days in Dragonstone then he had an entire ocean to gulp sea fish and whales. He also had owners who had the entire kindom in their possession, they could bring tons of food for him.

@@REDANDSILVER741 Also as you grow older you lose your appetite, and sleep more. so maybe his hunger plateau'd so to speak.

i hear ya. i had to make an assumption. here's my train of thought. if the pace slows, in theory, it will eventually slow to a point where it effectively isnt growing any more, which would go aganst the theory "dragons keep growing" so i figured the only way to avoid that problem is to assume that they grow at a constant (or increasing) rate

I'd be more inclined to think their rate of growth decelerates as that is more akin to what happens in the natural world and GRRM is very careful about grounding his fantasy in science. Theoretically Crustaceans never stop growing, and while you do occasionally find a 100 year old lobster twice as big as the others, there is still a point where its rate of growth becomes imperceptible.

bridge4 Nah, snakes continue to grow as they age but slow down significantly after adulthood.

If the rate of growth in years 1-10 is 1x, and the rate in years 10-100 is .1x, and the rate in years 100-1000 is .01x, It is still growing, but the rate of growth is decaying at a constant, geometric rate. After 5 years the dragon will be 5x larger, after 50 years it will be 15x larger and after 500 years it will be 25x larger... my math isn't perfect but I think thats a more realistic model.

I would say maybe looks at the growth rate of those super sized crocodiles, probably the closest thing comparable

+Peter Bove haha im scared tho. Math definitelt gives more clarity. But it's been so long since I've had goemetry. I'm worried I made a bad error at some point... But I figured that if I lay out the details of how I got from drogon to balerion, it'll Mae it easier for people to find any flaws and we can come up with a better estimate if needed :)

Trailers out people

are you serious!?!?! need to rush home then!! ahhh thank you!!

bridge4 lol gotta break that shit down

bridge4 chop chop Kev.....it's nothing until I go through it with ypu and Lady Olena and Cammy!!

+Cerlenox Nembhard thanks! Really appreciate that. I'm still ttying to wrap my arms around how to use the zoom iN and out feature. And when I'd make more edits, it kept screwing up everything else in the video, so it took me an extra day to finalize it. But I'm glad I stuck with it bc I feel like the visuals help to paint a better picture than "he could swallow a mammouth whole" or "his shadow would swallow towns" Thanks again :)

bridge4 yeah good job man very cricket...

lol, Scottish Girl, what does cricket mean??

bridge4 not right if not cricket

Scottish Girl totally cricks

+John eckleston Thanks, john!

thanks, Robin! yeah, this one took me an extra day from what i had planned in my schedule. i don't really know how to use the zoom in/out feauture properly yet (or it's flawed), because every time i made an edit, everything further on in the video would get distorted lol sometimes, i get REALLY frusterated when the editing gets messed up, or the software starts freezing but the good thing about this video was that i used pictures and the software as part of the "research" section of this project. i used it to determine how much i had to increase sizes to match the other dragons. so by the time i got to doing the video, i had all the pictures already in the timeline was kind of a bummer having to go to bed last night without completing it, but at that point, i at least had all the pictures and everyting in order. so this morning/afternoon was just a cleanup job. and while im doing it, i was starting at balerion and drogon the entire time, so that was pretty cool =) anyway, really appreciate the feedback. very kind of you!

Bryan Rue disappointing ik :(

+Andrew Doll it's wrong. I need to redo it lol. But thanks for the kind words!

Cool, thanks!

+Felix Barclay are u asking for a confirm on his age or are u implying how it's wild how fast he is growing? I'll have to get back to you on the former. The only explanation I can think of for the latter is thatdragons are related to magic. And right now, magic has come back to the world in a very powerful way, which may explain why he is growing so quickly Imagine he lives to be 220 and grows at a constant rate. He would be the size of western and essos combined! Lol But I have a bad feeling that all the dragons, and magic as a whole, will seemingly "die." Not forever... but for all intents ans purposes (it might resurface in hundreds or thousands of hears..) sad if true tho...I think that's a big part of the "bittersweet ending" What dO u think? Will any of the dragons live to see the closing credits of season 8?

bridge4 Cool, i agree that Danys dragons will die before the end of the show. i would love it if the (rumored) ice dragon controlled by the night king had a huge battle with Danys three dragons. (if indeed the ice dragon sides with the Others)

Its actually only been about 3 years since the eggs hatched (maybe a little bit longer since we don't know how long it took Dany to reach Westeros).

bridge4 That does make sense that they are bigger and stronger due to magic because it really does seem like magic is coming back to the world. It reminds me of how the Warlock dude in the House of the Undying said that his own powers were stronger than ever before when the dragons were near and that's why he wanted to keep them chained up there with Dany who made them even stronger. And just the fact that they were the first dragons to hatch in hundreds of years shows that magic is some factor. Then obviously with the White Walkers coming out of their sleep and even the fact that Bran was born as a Warg and a Green Seer(which were things usually only Wildlings North of the Wall had). So it's not too crazy to me that this magic is causing the Dragons to grow extremely fast in the ~6 years they have been around.

Felix Barclay they're around 4 or 5. Their growth rate has been massively excelerated by D&D to move things along, otherwise, Dany would have to wait around 8-10 years before her dragons grew to the right size. The justification for this is that the dragons (Drogon at least) had freedom and hunted regularly, hence his excelerated growth rate. In the lore, it is clearly stated that Dragonstone dragons pre Aegon's conquest grew to be larger and stronger than those raised in the Red Keep, because the Targs didn't chain them up, instead, they let them roam free and nest at the Dragonmonth. So freedom, excercise and plenty of food seem to be the trigger. That and the magic and WW. Dragons growing is probably also triggered by the Night King rising, since ice and fire are two opposing forces that need to be equal to properly each other. Anyway, that's just my take :)

OliveKS ur question actually is very valid. See albatrosses have a huge wingspan and when they are on the ground they cannot get themselves back in the air without the proper air current. I would only imagine that it would take a tornado to help Drogon get in the air.

OliveKS but they have huge leg muscles to bound themselves into the sky and their wings are strong, I think it makes sense they can fly :) although yeh, being fantasy also helps XD

OliveKS Two words Powerful leg muscles, and large strong wings!

If we question this then we have to rule out ice dragons existing as they are said to be living ice so I'm guessing they'll be crazy heavy if they do exist. please don't lol

OliveKS in addition to that, in always wondering how much they have to eat to first of all, maintain their bodies let alone grow and continue to grow

thanks, very kind of you to say that! =)

+Froggy! ORTIZ thanks :)

too kind. thanks, Marc! look forward to chatting with ya

yeh, cool skull. but not big enough. not even close to being able to swallow a mammoth.

Look back at the episode where aria hides inside the dragon skull. That seems more like a skull fit for Balerion.

Michael Johnson It's Balerion's skull they shoot the arrow from the scorpion. So Balerion's skull looks just a little bigger then Drogon is now.

Zevs its not little bigger...its doubled bro!! Cersei is as tall as Balerion's closed mouth and Jon is 2 times taller than Drogons closed mouth at episode 5th!

thanks, LG. appreciate the kind words. look forward to chatting with ya and figuring out this show =)

+Hair 2U did kahl drogo die and come back to life? I thought he just got injured,went semi comatose, then dany killed him...

Hair 2U you were close, vyserion died by the Night King and got brought back

I guess the show no longer follows the foreshadowing trend that earlier seasons had ever since it got ahead of the books. Or it just means that the three dragon riders theory is more important than the foreshadowing of Khal Drogo. This means that the three dragon riders to fulfill the prophecy will be Dany, Jon, and Night King.

Seems like you were right lol just wasn't drogon

+boxertest thanks. It's flawed tho. I'm working on an improved version thanks to wizards in the GoT community :)

appreciate the kind words, Ser! i'm trying my best, but it's a learning process. i'm working on a cool one right now to release noon EST tomorrow (hopefully)

going to do it in 2 or 3 weeks =)

Darude - Sandstorm

Or the Queen, the Red Death. She could probably swallow a mammoth, or at least an elephant.

Balerion would lose to the red death, bewilderbeast, or alpha toothless.

Alpha would win

Alpha his whay bigger

hahaha, i would hold off on saying 100% accurate. let's see what the wizards have to say first =)

I bet theirs won't be 💯% enjoyable tho!😀

I'm not "online" per se but I'm on KZfaq on my phone. You know what I just found out today? You know that movie Lucy with Scarlett Johansson and her asshole boyfriend in the cowboy hat? You know who that is? Euron Greyjoy! Does that actor *only* get asshole roles? I remember the first time I saw it all I could think was 'what's up with the cowboy hat Danish dude?' And I was screamin at the TV "don't trust him Lucy! Never trust a man in a cowboy hat!"😲 I'm Texan, I should know!😀

Ok shoot

Got it

appreciate it. thanks!! ill keep grinding and hopefully people sub =)

hey Max. do you have any particular ideas you'd want discussed? one idea is to compare ASOIAF dragons to other famous dragons like Smaug. but i'm going to hold off on that for a few weeks, because i want to get feedback on this analysis in case i'm way of. i don't want to compare Game of Thrones dragons to others until I feel confident in how big these guys/girls are i also want to do an ice dragon video at some point. i don't want to do a "click bait" type video though. i have ideas on exploring ice dragons based on what we know from lore and other works by GRRM, but i'm just hesitant, because it seems like one of those topics where, no matter what i say, [people are going to flood the comment section with mean stuff oh i got another idea. i need to brainstorm this more, but one of the biggest questions about the world is magic (arising, growing, dying, etc). so that could be a cool one. debating whether dragons bring the magic, or whether dragons are born when magic returns... let me know if you have any other ideas. thanks!

Personally I would love it if you could try to estimate the rate at which Drogon is growing and estimate how large he might be by the end of the show. Obviously it would require a lot of assumptions but it would still be interesting.

hey Drew. so today im going to read all the feedback and try to do an updated on this video. so it will focus mainly on a better ending estimate at balerion at his time of death. but i like your idea. im definitely trying to get a little better with the "rate of growth" assumption (based off mass instead of wingspan), so ill try ending the video with estimate for drogon for 1yr, 2yr, 5yr, and 10 yr good idea, thanks!

One way to tell if the dragons grow at a constant rate would be to analyse their size in every season.

Drogon grew insanely fast season 5-6. He went from a pigeon to a dog in season 2-3 (reasonable), then a dog to a horse in 3-4 (reasonable), then from a horse to a small elephant in 4-5 (still reasonable). Then from a small elephant to a FRIKKIN DINOSAUR in season 5-6. And then only a small 25% increase season 6-7, so clearly they grow fast their first four years, then have a massive growth spurt at the age of five, and then slow down considerably. I didn't even realize he had grown at all until this video, I checked before and could see no difference in season 6 and 7.

MrCoreForce no because the scale of the head to the rest of the body is based off a closed mouth which is the same as one side of the triangle not the height

+Hot Soup he died of old age. One of th3 few tO die that way which is why it felt insulting when qyburn had cersei shoot him. Thwt skull is epic

+Pete n I think they said a dc-9, which is much smaller than a 747

thats odd, a couple newspapers here have wrongly reported it then this being the quote "The dragons this year are the size of 747s. Drogon is the biggest of the bunch - his flame is 30-feet in diameter!" www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/game-of-thrones-season-7-episodes-release-date-dragons-size-747s-director-a7634566.html uk.businessinsider.com/game-of-thrones-dragons-size-747-plane-season-7-spoilers-2017-3 screencrush.com/game-of-thrones-season-7-dragon-size-747/ I would love this to be true, also btw you seem to know a lot about this kind of thing. Will the scales become much more difficult to pierce as when the spears were hurting drogon in the episode in the arena I was a bit like well this isn't very impressive. Do they get to the point where only certain materials can pierce their skin?

Pete n What determines if you can pierce something or not is not really a matter of the material you are using, but the force you put behind the thrust and how sharp it is. I can shove a toothpick in you belly if i hit it hard enough. The reason why arrows cant pierce his scales and a Balista can, is not because a balista bolt is made of stronger steel, but because the balista shot is heavier and traveling much faster.

i think you answered the wrong thread aha, but I was curious about this anyway as usually in fantasy its all about the material and not the speed. I do hope drogon gets more resilient to this as otherwise cersei could make 100's and then be firing tonnes of massive arrows and the dragons can't do shit

+A Conda thanks, my friend!!

as long as they are free and have food. the latter is a potential flaw in the estimate i made for Balerion at 220, since it's unlikely he could have kept eating sufficiently without eating the entire world lol

Well good thing is they don't really live forever. What is even crazier to think about is that drogon is only around 7 years old and he is this massive.

+YOUfailME911 yeh for some reason, magic is really strong rigjt now...red commet?

Didn't that one magician that imprisoned dany say that his magic was stronger around the dragons since they acted as some sort of conduit? Maybe it's the reason the white walkers have become this much of a problem.

+YOUfailME911 magician lpl. Yeh th3 warlocks said magic is stronger in the presence of dragons. And on the books the pyromancers are able to make tyrion wildfire faster than then expected bc their sePellston are working better. They ask him if there are dragons around There may have been a mutual cause, like the commet..or maybe it's a natural balance in nature..

my pleasure. thanks for watching and hanging out! i friggen love the GoT community. so many nice, awesome people =)

+Luke Stanley did they ever confirm that it wss balerion? I hear ya. I thought it was him as well. So I was intending on using tht as a reference point, but I couldnt find any quotes saying that it was. If u find anything, please let us know Thanks !

bridge4 well now they have said it. In season 7

Mufc 11 hes to tiny tho

+XxW4RJOK3RxX GAMING thanks! Ignore the fimall balerion size the. Assuming constant growth is a mistake

Gabriel Drake godzilla looking ass

Gabriel Drake Too bad we are talking about Game of Thrones not Lotr

Gabriel Drake Difference is that we will actually see the dragon. It's easy to just write down the size of something on paper. Also, this is GoT not Lotr

Wouldn't it be bad if the dragon is too big?? it would made the dragon slow to fly

Gabriel Drake i heard theres a dragon thats bigger than the entire universe out there somewhere

+Livestronger lol I have no clue how to do taxes. Tje Tax code is way to complicated. I'm gonna stick to elves and dwarves lol

i just laughed out loud. sorry. how do you think u did?

LOL can u explain the second part. ohhhh i get it. u are expecting people to say "who cares" and you're response is Jaqen. that is hilarious. im cracking up over here. well played =)

Well, technically he is expecting people to say "No one cares" and Jaqen H'ghar says "A man is no one" when referring to himself.

Robin a man is not Jaquen h'ghar

oh no doubt!! that is even better. you two are sharp!

lol

Rajat Phogat but we appreciated it nonetheless

Pudge Hookrot it's in the series . in the books balerion is freaking huge

thanks!

+TheDrummerErik99 look forward to chatting with ya!

+MorganArizona it's wrong, but I gave it a solid effort. Appreciate ur kindNess and positivity :)

+THERAMMSTEINFAN490 thanks. glad u liked it :)

+Rick Boon thanks :)

awesome. thanks, Kirk!

+Kelsey Ward it's wrong tho :-/ I'm working on something similar today tho :)

+flippert0 lol. It's wrong. But it fun in the summer leading up to the show :)

thanks, Hugh!

+Arnab Sen I messed up the final balerion. But the drogon estimate wasn't too far off. I literally pushed "produce" on the new version with episode 4 screenshots 5 second ago. TooK about 33 hours so far lol. I hope peole like it Going to run it by my friends and if they think it makes sense I'll upload tonight :) Thanks for the kind words btw!

thanks, Mark. if this is true, holy moly, balerion is huge. i hadn't ever pictured him that big because i forgot that the picture we see of him fighting with aegon happened way before he died.... insane. think drogon will make it to season 8? if so, he could get huge too considering how fast he's growing side note. do u think that dragon is drogon?? is it possible that she's riding viserion there? he looks yellowish, but that might just be the coloring because of all the fire everywhere...

edit, i take that back. just relooked. its definitely drogon. black with red

Yeah, I took a double take myself, Its definitely Drogon, We have to remember that the lighting plays a factor in the look of each Wyvern/Dragon. As for the his size, I have to agree with you in that he will grow substantially in the next two seasons. I'm taking into account the food sources here; There haven't been these creatures in many years. Their food source has grown since they been gone. I would not be surprised to see Drogon easily surpass Balerion the dread in a quarter of the time due to there being very little competition for food (3 dragons left). That being said Drogon can grow incredibly. Not to mention that we aren't given any time frame for these creatures. If we say that the entire content from the birth of Drogon to the current season is 6 years then Drogon is grow at such a fast rate that he can easily pass Balerion this season and catch his size of Balerion at the time of Balerions death in half that time. Now, will Drogon die this season? No, I do however see one of the Wyverns/Dragons dying at the end of this season. There is a theory that Dany will fight alongside Jon at the wall. There, one of the 3 dragons die. Said dragon is then resurrected by the Knight king. I can see this coming to pass for 2 reasons. First, why not a better way to introduce an ice breathing Drake then to show you at first hand how they came to be. secondly, GRRM wrote a novel, "The Ice Dragon" where the main charter, Adara, rode an Ice Dragon from the North and used this dragon to save her town from seven, YES I said "7" Fire Drakes. Now this would give "The Others" such an advantage that Westeros would be in some hellish shit (excuse the language). I believe this could happen because at the of 2 other reasons. During the visions of Dany in season 3, when her dragons a taken you see a vision of hers where the King's landing is totaled by what looks like fire and covered in song. Its my belief that this is both a play on the saying of Ice and Fire and perhaps hinting at the fact that there might be more then just fire Drakes in their world. There is more I can go on. But that is just a piece of my reasoning. I look forward to your next video!

+2dahawk lol I try to at least read every one. I'm 1300 behind tho right now since I've been allocating almost all my time to videos for the last three weeks. So I have a ton to respond to. But I like keeping an eye on comments as they come in to make sure the conversations are staying healthy :) As I do that, I'm not usually intending to respond, bc I like to save responses for when I'm at a computer so that I can screncap stuff for fan theory or QnA videos. But sometimes I can't resist responding. Like now I guess lol I'm planning on reading every comment on this video for sure once I get some time. There are some good counter arguments or alternative methods to calculate estimated size. So ill eventually make a better video based on the insight from game of thrones wizards :) (ans give y'all credit of course)

+2dahawk thank u for th kind words btw!!

You the real MVP! Food for thought about the relative size difference between riding on dragonback and in front of mouth: If you want to do an apples to apples comparison, why not overlay Danny and Aegon's relative heights while in a riding position? That way you avoid the distortion that arises from moving them to the front of the beast? Winter is Coming.

+wilane imad my pleasure :)

same here. i heard people saying he looked SOOO much bigger. but i think they forgot how big he was at the end of Season 6. he was already pretty huge =)